Sara_Ks: Stand your ground

[09:47] <+Hubertus> Sara_Ks: Do you currently support Trump?
[09:48] * JewBacca shrugs
[09:48] Ignored * JewBacca, to unignore type: /UNIGNORE * JewBacca
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[09:48] <+Sara_Ks> JewBacca Well, I checked the database. Chuckwagon banned you. He is a very reasonable man. IF he banned you, there has to be something to it
[09:48] <+Sara_Ks> Hubertus I've never supported Trump
[09:49] <+Hubertus> ChuckWagon has a bit of a temper.
[09:49] <+Hubertus> Okay.
[09:49] <+Sara_Ks> Hubertus Do you support Trump?
[09:49] <+Hubertus> Sara_Ks: Have you ever criticized any of the actions of your operators?
[09:49] <+Hubertus> Sara_Ks: I have never supported Trump.
[09:49] <+Hubertus> I recognize Donald Trump is a traitor the USA and is a clear and present danger.
[09:50] <+Sara_Ks> Hubertus I have criticized ops. I've deopped ops. I have banned ops
[09:50] <+Hubertus> I recognize he should be immediately be removed from office and charged with multiple felonies.
[09:50] <+Hubertus> Okay.
[09:50] <+Sara_Ks> Hubertus And contrary to popular belief, I hold them to a higher standard
[09:50] <+Hubertus> That seems obviously false.
[09:51] <+Sara_Ks> Hubertus It wasnt always that way. But it is now
[09:51] <+Hubertus> VirtualPreacher is one of the worst humans I've ever encountered.
[09:51] <+Hubertus> He is perhaps the most vindictive, angry, hateful human on IRC.
[09:51] <+Hubertus> SabreWulf appears to hate Christianity and holds grudges for months.
[09:51] <+Hubertus> Which is against the teachings of Christ.
[09:52] <+Hubertus> dizzy holds non-Christians to a much higher standard than Christians.
[09:52] <+Sara_Ks> Hubertus Stands his groud and doesnt bow down to someone who disagrees. I have found him to be honest, capable of defending his position and a bit over the top in personal interactions at times. I AM working on that
[09:52] <+Hubertus> Wow.
[09:52] <+Hubertus> That's how you perceive VirtualPreacher.
[09:52] <+Hubertus> As somebody who "stands his ground".
[09:52] <+Hubertus> He literally violates every teaching of Christ.
[09:52] <+Hubertus> Christ doesn't want us to "stand our ground".
[09:52] <+Hubertus> Have you ever read the Gospels?
[09:53] <+Hubertus> VirtualPreacher is, literally issue by issue, the opposite of Christ.
[09:53] <+Sara_Ks> Hubertus Christ didn't tell us to be door mats.
[09:53] <+Hubertus> If you value that, then you can't also value Christ.
[09:53] <+Hubertus> Sara_Ks: That was a strawman fallacy.
[09:53] <+Hubertus> Do you see that.
[09:53] <+Hubertus> (You're the first person to introduce the phrase "door mat"
[09:54] <+Hubertus> Christ actually does want us to be very gentle and forgiving.
[09:54] <+Hubertus> Which you'd probably describe as being a door mat.
[09:54] * JewBacca shrugs. Best of luck.
[09:54] <+Sara_Ks> The value in Christ is love. Love sometimes means doing things which need to be done
[09:54] <+Hubertus> You're repeatedly emphasizing the role of strength.
[09:54] <+Hubertus> You've not yet once indicated you value forgiveness or gentleness.
[09:55] <+Sara_Ks> I'm repeatedly telling you how VP acts
[09:55] <+Sara_Ks> He isn't wrong even if you disagree
[09:55] <+Sara_Ks> I react differently
[09:55] <+Hubertus> You're repeatedly telling me your values are.
[09:55] <+Hubertus> And that VirtualPreacher acts in accordance with your values.
[09:55] <+Hubertus> And your values are being strong, holding your ground, not being a door mat, and doing what is needed.
[09:56] <+Hubertus> As these are all your phrases.
[09:56] <+Hubertus> None of those are values of Christ.
[09:56] <+Hubertus> Those are values of humans who are tired of being hurt by others.
[09:56] <+Hubertus> But Jesus doesn't care about that.
[09:57] <+Hubertus>  “Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness” (Gal. 6:1).
[09:57] <+Sara_Ks> JewBacca for example. I have repeatedly removed bans on him, forgiven him and asked that he try to be fair. Repeatedly, he has violated that. I have no doubt when I look at the log I will find a valid action
[09:57] <+Hubertus> Jesus’s version of gentleness looks a lot like Paul’s. First of all, Jesus commends gentleness in the Beatitudes (Matthew 5:3–12). In the first three, he blesses the poor in spirit, those who mourn, and the “meek” (praus again).
[09:58] <+Sara_Ks> Hubertus You are putting words in my mouth. What you are saying is incorrect
[09:58] <+Sara_Ks> Hubertus I think its more you projecting your dislikes on me
[09:58] <+Hubertus> Wow.
[09:58] <+Hubertus> You live in a differently reality.
[09:58] <+Hubertus> I'm going to paste phrases you've typed in the last ten minutes
[09:59] <+Hubertus> Stands his groud
[09:59] <+Hubertus> doesnt bow down
[09:59] <+Hubertus> Christ didn't tell us to be door mats
[09:59] <+Sara_Ks> Hubertus Certainly not yours
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[09:59] <+Hubertus> Love sometimes means doing things which need to be done
[09:59] <+Sara_Ks> Hubertus You could paste out of context quotes, that shows YOU not me
[09:59] <+Hubertus> Sara_Ks: You're incapable of meaningful conversation.
[09:59] Ignored Sara_Ks, to unignore type: /UNIGNORE Sara_Ks
[09:59] <+Hubertus> I find you incredibly dishonest.
[10:00] <+Hubertus> You appear to either have no knowledge or respect for the actual teachings of Christ.
[10:00] <+Hubertus> You value strength above all.
[10:00] <+Hubertus> Which is an anti-value.
[10:00] <+Hubertus> (According to that meek fool Jesus)
[10:00] <+NaturalChild> guys, gusy!  beliver on believer hate is tearing apart this world.   when one side thinks they have god on their side, we all lose.  can't we all just get along?
[10:01] <+Hubertus> Oh, and you're vindictive.
[10:01] <+Hubertus> You are a surprisingly vindictive person for a Christian.
[10:01] <+Hubertus> https://pastebin.com/gfet3AaH
[10:01] <+Hubertus> There's an example of your vindictiveness.
[10:01] <+Hubertus> https://pastebin.com/0hW2v3V6
[10:01] <+Hubertus> Here's another.
[10:02] <@xsnlx> Chuck Schumer: 'Single-payer is on the table' for Democrats
[10:02] <+Hubertus> https://pastebin.com/50q1N2Es
[10:02] <+NaturalChild> Sara_Ks, with all due respect, it's much deserved.  You've proven yourself time and time again to be homophobic, transphobic, anti-semitic, etc.  People like you are the reason people leave religion.
[10:02] <+Hubertus> Here's you saying "The op is always right"
[10:02] <+Hubertus> That's what she said.
[10:02] <+Hubertus> Check the log.
[10:02] <+Hubertus> "The op is always right"
[10:02] <@xsnlx> Simpsons creator Matt Groening leads Comic-Con crowd in anti-Trump 'lock him up!' chant
[10:02] <+Hubertus> What an incredibly fake Christian.
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[10:02] <+Hubertus> You were kicked from #Christiandebate by Sara_Ks (The op is always right)
[10:02] <+HorrorBinHorror> Lani vs veteran1 vs Sara_Ks
[10:02] <+Hubertus> 2016 Mar 01
[10:02] <+HorrorBinHorror> Fun
[10:03] <+Hubertus> https://pastebin.com/EVNjix8Q
[10:03] <+NaturalChild> Sara_Ks, for calling out your hatred, which you flaunt and hide behind your god?  That makes *me* the bigot.   Love it
[10:03] <+HorrorBinHorror> Who needs ops anyways
[10:03] <+Hubertus> Here's a conversation I had with Sara_Ks
[10:03] <+Hubertus> You'll notice that I attempt to reorient her, repeatedly, to the values of Christ
[10:03] <+Hubertus> And she is stuck in power roles
[10:03] <+Hubertus> Just like what we saw in this conversation
[10:04] <+Hubertus> * ThatVoice looks skyward ThatVoice 'She won't engage in forgiveness'
[10:04] <+Hubertus> Sara_Ks don't go there I will stand up to injustice
[10:04] <+Hubertus> I literally initiated a prayer with her.
[10:04] <+Hubertus> And even though there is a teaching that says "when two of you come together in my name, there I am" by Jesus she responded with "don't go there"
[10:04] <+Hubertus> She hates the values of Christ
[10:04] <+Hubertus> ThatVoice 'God, she engages me with her strength, and her anger, but not her vulnerability or her love' 'What should I do?' Sara_Ks Wait it out
[10:05] <+Hubertus> Here I am praying to God in front of her
[10:05] <+Hubertus> And I am met with zero forgiveness
[10:05] <+NaturalChild> Hubertus, I once had a conversation with "DR" Sara_Ks, which she claimed her and her "colleagues" refused to treat trans patients.   Ever hear of a doctor that refuses to treat people?   Yeah, neither have I.
[10:05] <+HorrorBinHorror> This will continue a while
[10:05] <+Hubertus> Even though Jesus teaches us that when we forgive the debts of others, then our debts shall be forgiven
[10:05] <+Hubertus> NaturalChild: I have not
[10:05] <+Hubertus> ThatVoice 'God, she focuses on the punishment she implemented when she got hurt' 'How many times should I give her an opportunity for her to be vulnerable and to forgive?' 'God, she isn't seeing that the devoice isn't important, but how human beings treat each other is' 'How can I help her see what is important' Sara_Ks GTG, talk to chuckwagon
[10:05] <+Hubertus> Literal citation
[10:05] <+Hubertus> Word for word
[10:06] <+Hubertus> I am literally praying to God in front of her
[10:06] <+Hubertus> And her response is "GTG, talk to chuckwagon"
[10:06] <+Hubertus> She let a human being pray in front of her and it generated absolutely no love, forgiveness, gentleness
[10:06] <+Hubertus> She hates Christ
[10:06] <+Hubertus> And she will go to hell if she keeps acting like this
[10:06] <+Hubertus> Because she is not forgiving the debts of others
[10:06] <+Hubertus> And so Jesus will hold her accountable for all of her debts
[10:06] <+Hubertus> Just as he directly stated in the Gospels
[10:07] <+Hubertus> So, my job is to forgive her her debt
[10:07] <@xsnlx> can you guys take this to PM?
[10:07] <@venusNmars> yeah
[10:07] <@venusNmars> pm
[10:07] <@xsnlx> it's boring
[10:07] <+Hubertus> Sara_Ks, I suppose you are doing your best at being a Christian
[10:07] <+NaturalChild> Hubertus, but let's not fool ourselves into believing said person is a "dr."   Her lies are very un-Christian.  So, so odd.
[10:07] <+Hubertus> I accept this is your best and that you're interested in trying to be a better Christian
[10:07] * JewBacca shrugs. I'm not going to bother speaking with the fake doctor anymore. She's full of crap and everyone knows.
[10:08] <+NaturalChild> Sara_Ks, what's it like to be the owner/found of an IRC channel that supports child rapists, homophobes and bigots?  Is it on your resume?
[10:08] <@xsnlx> move along, please
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[10:08] <+Hubertus> I hope for you to get closer to the love of Christ and I ask God to forgive you
[10:08] <+NaturalChild> right, YourMom ?
[10:08] <+Hubertus> As he forgives me
[10:08] <+DrKidnapMusicLies> lol YourMom
[10:08] <+Hubertus> Then Peter came and said to Him, "Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Up to seven times?" 22Jesus said to him, "I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.