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[10:12] <Borp> you know
[10:13] <Borp> i've gotten no less than four whole 3d marios that have damn near every classic enemy and item and everything looks exactly like the official art
[10:13] <Borp> i think i can handle something a little different for once
[10:13] <Borp> personally i thought 3d world was the apex
[10:13] <Borp> which means the only place to go now is a different direction
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[10:14] <Borp> hi schmutz
[10:14] <schmutz> morning
[10:14] <Borp> Zae: i got something for you
[10:14] <Zae> oh god
[10:14] <Borp> Zae: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/True_fan
[10:14] <Zae> please help me
[10:14] <Borp> geekdom is loaded with this shit
[10:15] <Zae> well im not that bad lol
[10:15] <Zae> not anymore anyway
[10:16] <Borp> i used to be really bad
[10:16] <Borp> or tried to be
[10:17] <Zae> i like how they listed two instances of transformers
[10:17] <Zae> lmao
[10:17] <Borp> i can't really get on board with complaining about trivialities in mario when i've seen other game series get hit so much harder
[10:17] <Borp> also http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Trukk_not_munky and http://tfwiki.net/wiki/GEEWUN
[10:18] <Borp> "Much like how Ruined FOREVER spread to other fandoms, the Pokémon fandom uses the term "GENWUN" to describe fans who only like the original set of games (commonly known by them as Generation I or "Gen 1" but not as "G1", hence the single letter difference)."
[10:19] <Zae> genwunners and what not has pretty much died off though
[10:19] <Zae> its a rare thing nowadays
[10:19] <Borp> 80s babies must've lost their steam
[10:19] <Zae> pretty much
[10:19] <Borp> i'm seeing a lot less appreciation for retro stuff in general
[10:19] <Zae> its basically people just seeing stuff in a different light
[10:20] <Zae> im still think some retro stuff is great in particular from the snes and genesis days
[10:20] <Zae> although i do go back to nes smb3 ocassionally
[10:21] <Zae> but most of old classic stuff hasnt aged very well with people tbh
[10:21] <Zae> kind of a sad reality but sometimes its better this way rather then people being all NEW STUFF IS SHIT
[10:21] <Borp> tbh
[10:22] <Borp> i still think a good chunk of newer games aren't very good
[10:22] <Borp> and the ones that are have a lot of old games traditions coarsing through their proverbial veins
[10:28] <Zae> well i enjoy plenty of newer games myself but i also enjoy plenty of old games too so one or the other isnt worse to me
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[11:54] <Borp> why exactly are human beings so determined to fight their biology
[11:54] <schmutz> what does that mean
[12:07] <@dia> is this a gay thing, a trans thing, or not wanting to fuck nerds thing
[12:25] <Borp> i'm talkin about things we inherited from primates that socially we're acting against
[12:25] <Superchao> like what
[12:27] <DragonFreak> oh you mean like wearing clothes
[12:30] <Zae> borp is a nudist
[12:30] <Zae> beware
[12:30] <Borp> what i'm actually sapient chimp in front of a computer
[12:30] <Borp> *if
[12:30] <Javelin> arent chimps cannibals
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[12:35] <Borp> they're only cannibals when pushed to despiration
[12:35] <Borp> otherwise they're not really cannibals by default
[12:35] <Borp> a lot of mammals seem to resort to cannibalism when pushed too far
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[12:59] <@Anton{Politoed}> [12:25] (Borp) i'm talkin about things we inherited from primates that socially we're acting against
[12:59] <@Anton{Politoed}> What things
[13:06] <Javelin> i was under the impression groups of chimps regularly went to war with each other
[13:06] <Javelin> and then the winners would eat the ones they killed
[13:06] <Borp> chimps are violent, yes
[13:06] <Borp> Anton{Politoed}: tribalism is one, polygamy is another although people are embracing that again i guess
[13:09] <Javelin> why exactly are human beings so determined to fight their biology that compels them to murder other tribes regularly
[13:10] <@Anton{Politoed}> We're still tribal in ways
[13:10] <@Anton{Politoed}> It's what helps fuel racism and sports rivalries
[13:10] <@Anton{Politoed}> Polygamy is a social construct
[13:10] <@Anton{Politoed}> It exists in some societies and not others
[13:11] <@Anton{Politoed}> There are monogamous primates because that's what their social structure is
[13:11] <@Anton{Politoed}> Based on their environment
[13:11] <@Anton{Politoed}> Also bonobos are pretty not-violent
[13:12] <@Anton{Politoed}> And they're arguably closer to humans
[13:12] <@Anton{Politoed}> A big part of what aided humanity's dominance and longevity is our propensity to help others
[13:13] <@Anton{Politoed}> Care for the sick, etc
[13:14] <Javelin> i dont think caring for the sick is necessarily a good survival srategy
[13:15] <Javelin> i guess when it takes forever to make more humans
[13:15] <Javelin> its good though
[13:15] <@Anton{Politoed}> Anything can be a good survival strategy
[13:16] <@Anton{Politoed}> It's wholly dependent on the environment
[13:16] <@Anton{Politoed}> Until we're no longer the apex, aiding others is a successful survival strategy
[13:18] <Borp> bonobos are probably the most altruistic apes
[13:18] <Borp> but altruism is a side-effect of not being threatened as much as other societies
[13:18] <@Anton{Politoed}> Bonobos resolve conflicts through intimacy and grooming
[13:18] <@Anton{Politoed}> I.e. sex
[13:19] <@Anton{Politoed}> Chimps do so with aggression and warfare
[13:19] <DragonFreak> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
[13:20] <@Anton{Politoed}> My break is over so tl;dr
[13:21] <@Anton{Politoed}> There's no way anyone can twist "we should be more aggressive" out of this by attempting to pretend to understand science and say it's evolutionarily beneficial
[13:21] <DragonFreak> i got an interview offer
[13:21] <Javelin> humans have to be doing SOMETHING right so far in order to have taken over earth
[13:21] <@Anton{Politoed}> Because it's literally not unless we shapeshift into a completely different species with a new environment
[13:21] <@Anton{Politoed}> And yay df
[13:22] <DragonFreak> to hallmark
[13:22] <DragonFreak> to hallmark
[13:22] <Borp> i certainly wasn't suggesting we act like chimps
[13:22] <Borp> i was just trying to figure out how and why we pushed so far away from our biological roots and what will happen in the future
[13:23] <Borp> if our biology will ultimately update itself or not
[13:23] <Borp> DragonFreak: now you can sell strawberry shortcake cards to people
[13:23] <Javelin> technological advancement is moving at an insanely fast speed compared to evolution
[13:23] <DragonFreak> i do like strawberry shortcake
[13:24] <Javelin> by the time biology needs to update we'll probably have figured out all the ways it works
[13:24] <Javelin> and just update it ourselves
[13:24] <Javelin> or just decide biology is boring and become robots
[13:26] <Borp> til Jav is a transhumanist
[13:29] <Javelin> to me transhumanism is just the logical progression of technology
[13:34] <Borp> has Jav seen RoboCop
[13:35] <Javelin> no, but thats hardly the only example of transhumanism
[13:35] <Javelin> i have played deus ex and read brave new world
[13:37] <Javelin> deus ex is particularly scary in today's world
[13:45] <Borp> why haven't you seen RoboCop
[13:45] <Borp> it's an excellent movie
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