[15:55.00] <NiceLurk> and now in 2015 you were told to post "7 / 7 = ?" in #solvers and you got banned?
[15:55.32] <|343373|> 7 / 7 = ? and few other things
[15:55.36] <|343373|> yes
[15:55.46] <|343373|> not told
[15:56.35] <|343373|> but its in the rules on the page/address i have from LP
[15:58.45] <NiceLurk> so you solved 17-74 also? and that sontains the same onion address you have from 2012 and 2013?
[15:5*.11] <|343373|> no
[15:5*.23] <|343373|> after LP its different link
[15:5*.55] <|343373|> the onion address i had gave me the 0-74
[16:02.20] <NiceLurk> and you got onion that contained 0-74 from onion you have from 2012 and 2013?
[16:02.46] <NiceLurk> and that contact you have is just one way communication, so you cant say anything, all you can do is read the message?
[16:03.15] <|343373|> yes, the onion page was blank page until some month in 2014 (i didint check all the time)
[16:04.53] <|343373|> correct, not a message but a page full of rules of what im not allowed to do. and stupid sentense saying that if i keep giving the hints im allowed they will find and conact me
[16:05.17] <|343373|> contact*
[16:08.01] <NiceLurk> strange, i never heard story like yours
[16:08.5*] <NiceLurk> so onion you got in 2012 and 2013 was emty until 2014? and then in 2014 they uploaded LP and now those rules?
[16:0*.10] <NiceLurk> empty*
[16:0*.14] <|343373|> when they finished making the LP
[16:0*.46] <|343373|> those rules are on other onion page
[16:10.08] <|343373|> I had to do the 0-74 myself to get to that rules page
[16:11.31] <|343373|> before the rules said I was allowed to talk only about 7 / 7 = ?, and only in person, this year the rules changed a bit
[16:13.28] <NiceLurk> so you solved 0-74 alone, and got to the onion link with this new rules, that changed a bit recently
[16:13.4*] <NiceLurk> what is now on old onion you have? still 0-74?
[16:14.11] <|343373|> let me check, brb
[16:15.08] <|343373|> no its still down since 2015
[16:15.47] <NiceLurk> so you have no contact other than new onion with rules that you got from LP?
[16:16.25] <|343373|> Yeah, sux and 3301 are being bullshit, arent they? :/
[16:16.53] <|343373|> logically i shouldve been contacted by now but I still havent... or I think I havent... idk.. Last time I seen Rain/Wind they told me to wait and keep seeking them..
[16:16.56] <|343373|> :/
[16:17.22] <|343373|> was over a year ago
[16:17.50] <NiceLurk> and you decoded LP by yourself?
[16:21.23] <|343373|> Honestly your(not personal) approach is wrong... they gave all you need to solve it, it just requires the right approach to numbers and understanding of how numbers work
[16:22.17] <|343373|> 7 / 7 = ? is a huge hint to that too if not the key
[16:23.01] <NiceLurk> you are too vague to spark any new idea in my head
[16:23.16] <NiceLurk> 7/7 is 1 what is that supposed to do
[16:23.2*] <|343373|> its not just 1
[16:23.44] <|343373|> its not 1 when only 1 prime is present
[16:23.5*] <|343373|> i mean
[16:24.16] <|343373|> its not 1 when a prime is present*
[16:25.32] <NiceLurk> present? its equation there are two 7s present and you have uniform solution as 1 or 0.***repeating if you want that
[16:25.45] <|343373|> you were taught to believe 7/7=1 but thats only true when it is "counting" complete whole "1"s
[16:26.55] <|343373|> its 1, 0.(*) and something else...
[16:28.17] <|343373|> when you multiply by 7 you divide by the nature of another number. (theres a pattern there)
[16:28.30] <|343373|> the magic squares follow the same kinds of patterns
[16:28.32] <NiceLurk> as long as both sevens are in same base and they are the same result should be only 1 or maybe -sqr(i) if you go to complex numbers
[16:2*.44] <|343373|> kk, ill try to push as much as I can on the borderline of teh rules.. keep this to yourself though.. kk?
[16:2*.50] <|343373|> the*
[16:30.48] <NiceLurk> right
[16:31.2*] <|343373|> I need your word that you wont say/explain the following to anyone unless you get to the full understanding of how it works or to the rules page
[16:32.15] <NiceLurk> you have my word
[16:32.44] <|343373|> How can you find a nature of a number? (the most simple way to express a number, and its behavior in a base10 numeral system)
[16:34.12] <NiceLurk> you count its units?
[16:34.25] <|343373|> without counting
[16:34.30] <|343373|> the nature of the number
[16:34.31] <NiceLurk> or yopu find its dividers?
[16:34.44] <NiceLurk> you*
[16:35.02] <|343373|> what is base10 numeral system?
[16:35.53] <NiceLurk> a*10^0 + b*10^1 + c*10^2
[16:36.04] <NiceLurk> for cba
[16:36.11] <|343373|> nono, in the most simple way
[16:36.15] <|343373|> MOST simple
[16:36.33] <|343373|> dont complicate anything, simplify it
[16:36.35] <NiceLurk> ten different charaters to represent numbers
[16:36.54] <|343373|> 0, 1, 2, 3 ,4 ,5 ,6 ,7 , 8, *
[16:37.01] <NiceLurk> from 0 to * yes
[16:37.35] <|343373|> mhm, now how do you simplify any number to that most simple form?
[16:38.00] <|343373|> the "nature" of the number (that word is important here)
[16:38.43] <|343373|> dont think about anything complicated, think about the most simple thing you can do
[16:38.58] <NiceLurk> you keep adding one unit to previous value  to get next value
[16:3*.08] <NiceLurk> isnt nature of any number its value?
[16:3*.15] <|343373|> for example 11 whats the most simple form of the number
[16:3*.45] <NiceLurk> 10+1 ?
[16:40.00] <|343373|> MOST simple
[16:40.06] <NiceLurk> or do you want to change base system? that isnt most simple way
[16:40.3*] <|343373|> most simple will be going back to 1 digit
[16:40.51] <NiceLurk> 11111111111
[16:40.53] <|343373|> whats the most simple way to express "11"
[16:40.54] <|343373|> ?
[16:41.31] <NiceLurk> but that string of 1s is counting, you said earlied that it should be done without counting
[16:42.10] <NiceLurk> how to present 11 with one character? you have to go to base 11 and assign special charater to that value, like "a"
[16:43.36] <|343373|> to express a number in the most simple way(digit) in base10 system is mod*
[16:44.02] <|343373|> you take away all the full/complete(*) digits away
[16:44.26] <|343373|> or combine all the digits of the number together into 1
[16:44.36] <|343373|> 11 > 1+1 > 2
[16:45.04] <NiceLurk> oh adding integers? that isnt most simple and it is not unique
[16:45.16] <|343373|> not adding
[16:45.26] <|343373|> there are few ways to simplyfy into 1 digit
[16:45.36] <|343373|> simplify*
[16:45.45] <|343373|> now, do the following, 2
[16:46.00] <|343373|> typo sec i pressed enter by mistake
[16:47.01] <|343373|> now, do the following, 2 * 1-*, write them in a line, simplify all the results to their nature
[16:47.23] <|343373|> 2 4 6....
[16:47.57] <NiceLurk> 11 mod* is 2 yes, but so is 20 mod*
[16:48.0*] <|343373|> correct
[16:48.42] <|343373|> nature of 2, 11, 20, ... is the same
[16:48.51] <|343373|> (in the base10 system)
[16:48.52] <NiceLurk> 2 4 6 8 10 12 14 16 18 20 simplified -> 2 4 6 8 1 3 5 7 * 11
[16:4*.27] <NiceLurk> 11 can be again simplified in 2
[16:4*.30] <|343373|> why *10?
[16:4*.37] <|343373|> 10 is not part of base10
[16:4*.44] <NiceLurk> ok my mistake
[16:4*.51] <NiceLurk> 2 4 6 8 10 12 14 16 18  simplified -> 2 4 6 8 1 3 5 7 *
[16:4*.52] <|343373|> 24681357*
[16:50.03] <|343373|> now, do the same to 5
[16:50.08] <|343373|> 5* 1-*
[16:52.1*] <NiceLurk> 5 10 15 20 25 30 35 40 45 -> 5 1 6 2 7 3 8 4 0
[16:53.28] <|343373|> it cant be 0 when theres a number, 0 means theres nothing so everything that mod* =0 in base 10 is = *
[16:53.34] <|343373|> 24681357* [Pattern of *2]
[16:53.36] <|343373|> 51627384* [Pattern of *5]
[16:53.38] <|343373|> so far
[16:53.51] <|343373|> now do 1-* /2
[16:54.14] <|343373|> use a visual digital root not "mod*"
[16:54.34] <|343373|> (with your own eyes)
[16:57.11] <NiceLurk> 0.5 1 1.5 2 2.5 3 3.5 4 4.5  -> 81/
[16:57.44] <|343373|> > 5 1 6 2 7 3 8 4 *
[16:58.31] <|343373|> what conclusion do you have of it so far?
[16:58.33] <NiceLurk> not sur ewhat you mean with visual digital root? like you mean 2^(-1/2)= distance in rectangular triangle with hipotenuses of 1 unit?
[16:58.47] <|343373|> i mean simplify it
[16:58.56] <|343373|> just combine all the digit of a number
[16:5*.3*] <|343373|> or any other meathod that does the same(going to the nature of the number)
[16:5*.44] <|343373|> method*
[17:00.10] <|343373|> 0 and 5 is 5
[17:00.12] <|343373|> 1 is 1
[17:00.28] <NiceLurk> 1.5 is 6 ?
[17:00.33] <|343373|> yup
[17:00.41] <|343373|> keep going
[17:01.00] <NiceLurk> so 5 1 6 2 7 3 8 4 *
[17:01.14] <|343373|> mhm where did you see that already?
[17:01.16] <NiceLurk> same as with *5
[17:01.45] <NiceLurk> but 0,5*10 is 5 so this is not so surprizing
[17:01.51] <|343373|> correct
[17:01.52] <|343373|> 51627384* [Pattern of *5 AND /2]
[17:02.07] <|343373|> now do 1-* /5
[17:02.14] <NiceLurk> and 50 and 1/20
[17:02.34] <|343373|> its not suppposed to be surprizing
[17:02.43] <NiceLurk> ok 1-*/5 is
[17:03.26] <|343373|> remember test and confirm everything yourself, dont trust me if ill suddenly tell you something = something
[17:03.28] <NiceLurk> 0.25 0.5 0.75 1 1.25 1.5 1.75 2 2.15
[17:05.34] <|343373|> 1/5 = 0.2, 2/5 = 0.4 ....
[17:05.51] <NiceLurk> simplified 7 5 12 1 8 3 13 2 8 more simplified 7 5 3 1 8 3 4 2 8
[17:06.00] <|343373|> ....
[17:06.12] <NiceLurk> oh i fucked up you are correct i did it for 1-* /4
[17:06.23] <|343373|> keep that one though
[17:06.42] <|343373|> write them all down in a txt
[17:08.27] <NiceLurk> 0.2 0.4 0.6 0.8 1 1.2 1.4 1.6 1.8   simplified 2 4 6 8 1 3 5 7 *  same as for *2
[17:08.38] <|343373|> you have a typo btw, */4 = *
[17:08.56] <|343373|> good
[17:0*.02] <|343373|> so
[17:0*.04] <|343373|> so far
[17:0*.07] <|343373|> 24681357* [Pattern of *2 AND /5]
[17:0*.0*] <|343373|> 51627384* [Pattern of *5 AND /2]
[17:0*.15] <|343373|> do you see a pattern there?
[17:10.04] <|343373|> now do *4
[17:10.58] <NiceLurk> yeah because 5 and 2 are primes of 10 ?
[17:11.04] <NiceLurk> ok now 4
[17:13.20] <NiceLurk> 4 8 12 16 20 24 28 32 36 -> 4 8 3 7 2 6 1 5 *
[17:14.21] <|343373|> 48372615* [Pattern of *4]
[17:14.25] <|343373|> now do *7
[17:16.3*] <NiceLurk> 7 14 21 28 35 42 4* 56 63 -> 7 5 3 1 8 6 4 2 *
[17:17.04] <|343373|> 75318642* [Pattern of *7]
[17:17.12] <|343373|> now what was the /4
[17:1*.53] <NiceLurk> 0,25 0,5 0,75 1 1,25 1,5 1,75 2 2,25 -> 7 5 3 1 8 6 4 2 *
[17:20.20] <|343373|> where have you seen the same pattern?
[17:20.31] <NiceLurk> at *7
[17:20.48] <|343373|> 75318642* [Pattern of *7 AND /4]
[17:21.04] <|343373|> now stop. dont try /7 yet
[17:21.28] <|343373|> confirm what you have so far with any number of the same nature
[17:21.31] <|343373|> for example
[17:22.32] <|343373|> 4638752438 / 2  (4638752438 = 5, BUT CONFIRM IT TOO)
[17:22.44] <|343373|> (that was a random number)
[17:24.33] <|343373|> wait sec
[17:24.4*] <|343373|> i think i derped something
[17:25.04] <NiceLurk> i dont understand what you want me to confirm, calculate mod* of 4638752438 ?
[17:26.22] <|343373|> I think i derped something 1 moment
[17:28.4*] <|343373|> yeah i derped with the amount of numbers I didnt count the extra cycle
[17:28.5*] <|343373|> any number with * or less digits
[17:2*.24] <|343373|> 463875243 instead of 4638752438
[17:2*.35] <|343373|> 463875243 -> 6
[17:30.17] <NiceLurk> 463875243 -> 42 -> 6
[17:30.58] <|343373|> now 463875243 /2 = 3 (obviously, but confirm so you know for sure)
[17:32.45] <|343373|> then try same with other random numbers just to be sure. (dont go over * digits per number though)
[17:33.11] <NiceLurk> 231*37621,5 -> 35 -> 8 hm this doesnt work but i went over * digits
[17:33.52] <|343373|> nono dont go over with the number you divide
[17:34.04] <|343373|> the result is okay
[17:34.42] <|343373|> 231*376215 Mod *
[17:34.57] <|343373|> ignore the ,
[17:36.00] <NiceLurk> 231*376215 Mod * -> 3
[17:36.12] <|343373|> mhm
[17:36.26] <|343373|> The rule stays consistent.
[17:36.32] <NiceLurk> digital root works only on les than * digits? for more you have to use mod * ?
[17:37.21] <|343373|> no it works with more than * too, its just theres another cycle added, you wont need it for LP so you can figure it out yourself later im not going to explain that part
[17:40.08] <|343373|> tell me when youre done confirming using random numbers.. you can do *2 *5 *4 *7 /2 /4 /5
[17:44.37] <|343373|> 46387121 -> 5, 22 -> 4
[17:44.3*] <|343373|> 46387121 / 22
[17:44.5*] <|343373|> 2108505.5 -> 8
[17:45.35] <NiceLurk> 46387121 / 22 would be 5/4
[17:45.53] <|343373|> mhm
[17:46.18] <|343373|> 7531[8]642* (fifth of /4)
[17:47.2*] <|343373|> rule is consistent, when theres no 3, 6, * and 7 involved.
[17:48.18] <NiceLurk> 111111 -> 6   111111/2 -> 3   although if you check with mod* you have to multiply 10*111111/2
[17:4*.14] <|343373|> correct, as long as 3,6,*,and 7 dont play a role in the division
[17:50.02] <NiceLurk> what did  you mean by 7531[8]642* (fifth of /4) ?
[17:50.2*] <NiceLurk> 8 is fifth digit?
[17:50.32] <|343373|> 5/4 = 5th digit in the pattern of /4
[17:51.27] <|343373|> Do you get the approach to numbers I showed you so far?
[17:53.07] <NiceLurk> mostly, i still dont know why 5th digit ni pattern of /4 is important
[17:53.32] <|343373|> its not, whats important is to understand how numbers work
[17:53.51] <|343373|> (the right approach)
[17:54.12] <|343373|> now the harder part.
[17:54.22] <NiceLurk> yes i understand that, you add all digits or you do mod(*) after you get rid of decimals
[17:54.41] <|343373|> did you understand why it works like that? why the patterns happen?
[17:55.14] <NiceLurk> just a minut, phone
[17:55.43] <|343373|> *2 <----->/5 is movement along one axis, *5 <------>/2 is movement along another axis
[17:58.33] <NiceLurk> i am back, yes i think i know why mor* is the same as digital root
[17:58.38] <|343373|> (these axes are infinitely looped)
[17:5*.26] <|343373|> remember in base10 its mod*, in base 2* its mod28
[18:00.1*] <|343373|> just remember that part, it'll be useful later
[18:01.12] <NiceLurk> yeah, whats with the axis? one axis is 24681357* and second is 51627384*
[18:01.34] <|343373|> yes
[18:01.40] <NiceLurk> or you didnt mean that sequences with *2 <----->/5
[18:01.53] <NiceLurk> ok so *2 <----->/5   is   24681357*
[18:02.02] <|343373|> its movement along 1 axis
[18:02.35] <|343373|> *2 is one end of it, /5 is other end of it
[18:02.54] <NiceLurk> on thing i dont get... why 3 6 * and 7 shouldnt have role in the division
[18:03.0*] <|343373|> they do
[18:03.25] <|343373|> but they are complicated i didint get to them in my explanation yet
[18:03.2*] <|343373|> didnt*
[18:04.43] <|343373|> later youll get to having to spin those axes but nvm it for now, first try to understand how the most basic part works :o
[18:05.10] <|343373|> once you get the approach fully the rest will become easy
[18:05.46] <|343373|> Now any questions before I get to "7"?
[18:06.10] <|343373|> any questions about what I have explained so far
[18:07.22] <NiceLurk> yeah those two axes, they are divided on units or on indefinatelly small pieces?
[18:08.2*] <|343373|> they are axes metaphorically, they are 4 dimentional axes
[18:08.34] <|343373|> so they can be both
[18:10.0*] <|343373|> 2nd axis can be anywhere on the first axis and they can overlay, overlap and so on too...
[18:10.12] <NiceLurk> ok, i guess ill get what you mean by 4 dimensonal when we came to that
[18:10.51] <NiceLurk> its a grid with those two axes
[18:10.5*] <|343373|> in a way
[18:11.35] <|343373|> its an infinitely dimentional matrix of numbers
[18:12.17] <|343373|> with axes anywhere on it
[18:13.24] <|343373|> heres an example:
[18:16.32] <|343373|> a=1 -> [(a *2)= a mod*]looped
[18:17.33] <|343373|> (2 4 8 7 5 1) ....
[18:18.06] <|343373|> a=1 -> [(a *5)= a mod*]looped
[18:18.31] <|343373|> (5 7 8 4 2 1) ....
[18:1*.01] <|343373|> a=1 -> [(a /2)= a mod*]looped
[18:1*.10] <|343373|> (5 7 8 4 2 1) ....
[18:1*.31] <|343373|> a=1 -> [(a /5)= a mod*]looped
[18:1*.37] <|343373|> (2 4 8 7 5 1) ....
[18:21.14] <|343373|> 2 and 5 change places, 4 and 7 change places
[18:21.34] <NiceLurk> you have squares in brackets like (a a^2 a^3 a^4) ?
[18:21.5*] <|343373|> that too
[18:22.20] <|343373|> ^ works abit differently though
[18:22.40] <NiceLurk> yeah 8 and 1 stays on same place
[18:22.43] <|343373|> ^x
[18:22.48] <|343373|> yes
[18:23.50] <|343373|> 1 and 8 are the main axis for 2, 5 | 4, 7 | 3, 6
[18:24.11] <|343373|> 3 and 6 are going crazy though
[18:24.18] <|343373|> and * is in the very center
[18:24.38] <|343373|> because all th other digits come from * (in base10)
[18:26.06] <|343373|> nvm that though... im going into too complicated stuff that you dont even need that much for LP (maybe later)
[18:27.00] <|343373|> unless youre very interested, ill try to keep pushing along the borderline of the rules... lol ;-;
[18:27.47] <NiceLurk> sure, try to explain as much as possible, so far i am somehow following
[18:27.56] <|343373|> but I rather not right now because idk how much I can reveal about it, because I have a feeling next puzzle will have something to do with it
[18:2*.01] <|343373|> try to comprehend the basic important stuff first...
[18:2*.48] <|343373|> okay anything you didnt understand about things i explained about * / of 2,4,5,7(excluding /7)
[18:2*.53] <|343373|> ?
[18:31.27] <|343373|> the basic stuff, not going into axis and all the ^x and a(*x or /x)=a/mod*
[18:31.31] <NiceLurk> i get it
[18:31.58] <|343373|> kk now /7. do a 1-* / 16 first
[18:35.25] <NiceLurk> i fucked up restarting
[18:35.34] <NiceLurk> 0.625
[18:41.45] <NiceLurk> 0.0625 0.125 0.1875 0.25 0.3125 0.375 0.4375 0.5 0.5625 -> 4 8 3 7 2 6 1 5 *
[18:41.58] <NiceLurk> i got a bit distracted
[18:42.03] <|343373|> which is the pattern of ?
[18:42.16] <NiceLurk> same as *4
[18:42.31] <NiceLurk> so *4 is same as /16
[18:42.5*] <|343373|> so you think its same as *4? just like logic says it is looking at how the other 3 numbers (2, 5, 4) worked?
[18:43.0*] <|343373|> 7 laughs at it
[18:43.22] <|343373|> try to do the same with 1-* /7
[18:44.18] <|343373|> (find the right place to cut the pattern after the , )
[18:45.12] <|343373|> and the instinct is right, 1/7 = *
[18:45.36] <|343373|> go on from there, 2-* /7
[18:46.48] <NiceLurk> why should instinct suggests that 1/7 -> *
[18:47.20] <NiceLurk> * was so far laways last digit in all sequences
[18:47.30] <|343373|> 0.(142857) 142857142857142857142857... keeps repeating endlessly.
[18:47.44] <|343373|> 142857 = *
[18:47.51] <NiceLurk> oh i see
[18:48.26] <NiceLurk> ok lets try this
[18:4*.15] <|343373|> good luck, it was hell to figure it out from nothing without any hints. and thats the minimum requirement. I was lucky to know it even before trying to solve the puzzles
[18:50.45] <|343373|> after you understand this one, alot of older 3301 puzzle hints will become clear
[18:54.20] <NiceLurk> * 7 * * 7 * 1 1 1
[18:54.42] <|343373|> nope
[18:54.50] <|343373|> try again
[18:54.55] <|343373|> :/
[18:55.06] <NiceLurk> wrong? ok
[18:55.43] <NiceLurk> 0.142857....     ->  27  ->  *
[18:56.05] <|343373|> mhm I can only say if its wrong or not, not allowed to give obvious hints to this one, I gave all the hints you need for that one
[18:56.26] <|343373|> 1/7 = *, find 2-* /7
[18:57.21] <NiceLurk> 2/7=0.285714....   -> 27 -> *
[18:57.41] <|343373|> find the right place to cut the tail
[18:5*.04] <NiceLurk> 3/7=0.428571....   -> 27 -> *
[18:5*.21] <NiceLurk> ok i will try lokking for other place to cut the tail
[18:5*.43] <|343373|> remember, when you get the right answer it will make perfect sense
[1*:00.02] <|343373|> you will know for sure yourself that you found the right one
[1*:06.24] <|343373|> btw dont stress yourself, do it in a relaxed manner
[1*:07.06] <NiceLurk> i am doning it slowly, adding every digit to notice the pattern
[1*:08.40] <|343373|> relaxed manner, dont cut the tail randomly, find the pattern to it... what keeps moving according to a pattern what what doesnt. and youll know where you can cut the tail
[1*:0*.32] <|343373|> its simple. dont complicate the problem in your mind.
[1*:12.02] <NiceLurk> i am making whole table, not loosing any tails, it looks promising so far
[1*:12.43] <|343373|> it is one of the right approaches to it when you have no idea what to do :)
[1*:13.32] <|343373|> but dont forget, this one is simple. so simple it could be called stupidly simple. but its hard to notice at first.
[1*:1*.13] <|343373|> only 7/7 wont make sense in the pattern that you will find
[1*:20.08] <NiceLurk> yeah its gonna be 1, i am not there yet i fucked up at 5
[1*:20.37] <|343373|> what did you get at 2-4 /7?
[1*:22.2*] <NiceLurk> 1 5 7 6 2 * 1 5 7
[1*:22.2*] <NiceLurk> 2 1 6 4 5 * 2 1 7
[1*:22.2*] <NiceLurk> 4 6 5 1 8 * 4 6 5
[1*:22.2*] <NiceLurk> 5 3 4 8 1 * 5 3 4
[1*:23.11] <|343373|> huh
[1*:23.28] <|343373|> -facepalm-
[1*:24.17] <|343373|> calm down with this. its simple. do the most supid, unreasonable and simple thing you can do. 1/7 was an example to hwo it works.
[1*:24.34] <|343373|> how*
[1*:25.01] <NiceLurk> 1/7 you cut at 6th digit after ,
[1*:25.25] <|343373|> why did i cut it at that spot?.
[1*:25.54] <NiceLurk> so 2/7 you cut either at 5th or 7th
[1*:25.55] <|343373|> I predict a facepalm when youll realize...
[1*:26.10] <NiceLurk> you cut it at 6th spot becasue it startss repeating itself after that
[1*:26.18] <|343373|> -thumbs up-
[1*:26.28] <|343373|> what starts repeating after?
[1*:26.33] <|343373|> what number?
[1*:26.55] <NiceLurk> 15762*
[1*:27.0*] <|343373|> .........
[1*:27.12] <|343373|> 1/7
[1*:27.40] <|343373|> 0.142857 14285714285714285714285714........
[1*:27.45] <|343373|> why did i cut it there?
[1*:28.00] <|343373|> what starts repeating after the cut?
[1*:28.11] <|343373|> 0.142857 142857 142857 142857 142857 14
[1*:28.30] <NiceLurk> i mean 142857 yes, i was looking at my  table intead of calc
[1*:2*.0*] <|343373|> -facedesk- if youre 3301 testing me right now then i failed so badly with the rules just now, I was to apologize but this is stupid
[1*:2*.24] <NiceLurk> but sums of digits are also repeating itself after 6th charaacter
[1*:2*.27] <|343373|> want*
[1*:2*.42] <NiceLurk> i sm not testing you, well i am, but i am not 3301
[1*:2*.43] <|343373|> exactly, what starts repeating after?
[1*:30.17] <|343373|> I lit. messaged it up there ;=;
[1*:31.21] <|343373|> Im sorry, but its just something thats extremely easy but hard to realize
[1*:31.3*] <NiceLurk> whole 6 digit sequence strats repeating itself
[1*:31.44] <|343373|> and what do you mean by testing me but not being 3301?
[1*:31.52] <NiceLurk> and it happens at every 1-* /7
[1*:32.21] <|343373|> yes what does that sequance equal to and repeating endlessly that you can cut it?
[1*:32.2*] <NiceLurk> i am testing you to see if your path really goes somewhere
[1*:33.36] <NiceLurk> sequence equals to 1/7 *10?
[1*:33.57] <NiceLurk> 10^6 *
[1*:34.03] <|343373|> What does 142857 equal to?
[1*:35.40] <NiceLurk> it is divisable by * so it equals to *
[1*:35.50] <|343373|> -thumbs up-
[1*:36.14] <NiceLurk> you already said that 1/7  equals to *
[1*:36.23] <|343373|> 2/7 = 0.2857142857142857......... where do you cut the tail?
[1*:36.50] <NiceLurk> probbably at 5th character, or maybe at 7th
[1*:37.0*] <|343373|> where the pattern is broken and where does it start complete?
[1*:37.26] <NiceLurk> i dont know yet that is why i want to create whole table and see which diagonal will it be
[1*:37.45] <NiceLurk> patterns falls apart at 7/7
[1*:38.07] <|343373|> do you want a giving away hint or find it yourself?
[1*:38.11] <|343373|> sigh
[1*:38.17] <NiceLurk> but i have to figure out what to do with 8/7 since its first one bigger than one
[1*:38.47] <NiceLurk> give me the hint then, to speed up the process
[1*:38.50] <|343373|> youre overcomplicating the problem
[1*:3*.23] <|343373|>  0.2857 <incomplete | complete > 142857 142857....
[1*:3*.37] <NiceLurk> if i cut every sequnce at 6th character i get series of *s and 1 at 7/7
[1*:41.07] <NiceLurk> hmm
[1*:41.14] <|343373|> are you facepalming yet?
[1*:41.24] <NiceLurk> nope
[1*:42.02] <|343373|> 0.42857 <incomplete | complete> 142857142857142857142857143.....
[1*:42.20] <|343373|> clear enough?
[1*:42.22] <|343373|> o.o
[1*:42.23] <NiceLurk> you are cutting  them from front  towards the back?
[1*:42.51] <|343373|> "142857" = *
[1*:43.06] <|343373|> you can remove all "*"s in the tail
[1*:43.10] <|343373|> 142857 is 1 unit
[1*:43.13] <|343373|> of *
[1*:43.2*] <NiceLurk> so
[1*:43.5*] <NiceLurk> 42857 -> 8
[1*:44.06] <|343373|> yes
[1*:44.18] <NiceLurk> 2857 -> 4
[1*:44.21] <|343373|> yes
[1*:44.37] <NiceLurk> 857 -> 2
[1*:44.4*] <|343373|> yes
[1*:44.53] <NiceLurk> 57 -> 3
[1*:44.58] <|343373|> yes
[1*:45.03] <NiceLurk> and 7 -> 7
[1*:45.13] <|343373|> yes
[1*:45.31] <|343373|> facepalm yet?
[1*:45.33] <NiceLurk> so *84237 but we dont have * digits
[1*:45.53] <|343373|> use 16 instead of 7 when you do 7/7
[1*:46.42] <NiceLurk> 1/16=0,0625
[1*:46.57] <|343373|> no
[1*:47.01] <|343373|> 16/7
[1*:47.12] <NiceLurk> ah ok
[1*:47.2*] <|343373|> *48372?15
[1*:47.55] <NiceLurk> 16/7=2.2857142857...
[1*:4*.16] <|343373|> 7 / 7 = ?
[1*:52.02] <|343373|> after you do that,
[1*:52.18] <|343373|> Do you remember PARABLE 1,5*5,277,641, and the 2 most important numbers of 3301(other than 3301, 1033)?
[1*:52.54] <NiceLurk> so for 16/7 we get 2 4 3...
[1*:53.16] <NiceLurk> an 761 and 167?     and parable needs to be factorized
[1*:53.34] <|343373|> 16/7
[1*:53.51] <|343373|> 7 / 7 = 1, and ?
[1*:55.35] <|343373|> 1/7 = *, 2/7=4, 3/7=8, 4/7=3 .....
[1*:55.45] <|343373|> finish the whole pattern
[1*:57.34] <|343373|> 1-* /7
[1*:58.05] <NiceLurk> 1/7 -> *
[1*:58.14] <|343373|> yes
[1*:58.2*] <NiceLurk> 2/7 -> 42857 -> 8 ?
[1*:58.34] <|343373|> yes
[1*:5*.04] <NiceLurk> 3/7 -> 4
[1*:5*.20] <NiceLurk> 4/7 -> 2
[1*:5*.22] <|343373|> no
[1*:5*.28] <|343373|> 3/7 is not 4
[20:00.06] <|343373|> i mean
[20:00.26] <|343373|> sec wat
[20:00.33] <NiceLurk> isnt it from 2857
[20:01.02] <|343373|> what are you doing?...
[20:01.31] <|343373|> 0.142857 14285714285714285714285714 1/7
[20:01.32] <|343373|> 0.2857 142857142857142857142857142* 2/7
[20:01.32] <|343373|> 0.42857 142857142857142857142857143 3/7
[20:01.32] <|343373|> 0.57 142857142857142857142857142857 4/7
[20:01.32] <|343373|> 0.7 1428571428571428571428571428571 5/7
[20:01.58] <NiceLurk> earlier you were saying yes when i was cutting off leading digits of 142857
[20:02.08] <NiceLurk> yeah it was a bit strange
[20:03.14] <|343373|> 0.142857 14285714285714285714285714 1/7 ->*
[20:03.15] <|343373|> 0.2857 142857142857142857142857142* 2/7 ->4
[20:03.15] <|343373|> 0.42857 142857142857142857142857143 3/7 ->8
[20:03.15] <|343373|> 0.57 142857142857142857142857142857 4/7 ->3
[20:03.15] <|343373|> 0.7 1428571428571428571428571428571 5/7 ->7
[20:04.58] <NiceLurk> 0,8571428571428571 6/7
[20:05.07] <|343373|> mhm
[20:05.25] <|343373|> 0.857 14285714285714285714285714286....
[20:05.45] <NiceLurk> 0,857 1428571428571  6/7  -> 2
[20:06.00] <|343373|> yes
[20:06.1*] <NiceLurk> 1.0000000 7/7  -> 1
[20:06.2*] <|343373|> 16/7 to find 7/7
[20:06.42] <NiceLurk> ok
[20:06.54] <|343373|> i will explain why it shifts after
[20:07.08] <|343373|> its related to prime numbers
[20:07.33] <NiceLurk> 2,2857 14285714286  16/7 -> 6
[20:07.43] <|343373|> bravo
[20:08.10] <|343373|> kk do the rest of /7 first
[20:08.33] <NiceLurk> ok but later tell me why out of nowhere 16?
[20:0*.18] <|343373|> mhm
[20:0*.48] <NiceLurk> 1,142857 142857143 8/7 -> 1
[20:10.04] <|343373|> yes
[20:10.30] <NiceLurk> 1,2857 14285714286 */7 -> 5
[20:10.35] <|343373|> yes
[20:10.57] <|343373|> what did you get? write the result in a line
[20:11.00] <NiceLurk> os whole sequence is *48372615
[20:11.33] <NiceLurk> *5 and /2 backwards
[20:11.51] <|343373|> 24681357* [Pattern of *2 AND /5]
[20:11.51] <|343373|> 51627384* [Pattern of *5 AND /2]
[20:11.51] <|343373|> 48372615* [Pattern of *4 AND /16]
[20:11.51] <|343373|> 75318642* [Pattern of *7 AND /4]
[20:11.51] <|343373|> *48372615 [Pattern of /7]
[20:14.26] <|343373|> it happens because the effect of dividing by a prime 7 shifts the cycle by +1 infinity
[20:14.47] <|343373|> the * from the end goes to the beginning
[20:15.37] <NiceLurk> yeah its *5 and /2 backwards
[20:16.13] <|343373|> -thumbs up- you get why i said axis?
[20:16.23] <|343373|> that you can move along
[20:17.03] <NiceLurk> also 7/7 could be deducted if you calculate all others and only 6 stays unused
[20:18.10] <|343373|> or by understanding that dividing prime 7 by prime 7 cancels the shift by 1 infinity
[20:1*.02] <|343373|> 16/7 = 6, 7/61 = 1
[20:20.48] <|343373|> "also 7/7 could be deducted if you calculate all others and only 6 stays unused" is more likely of a meathod to find it for the first time though
[20:20.55] <|343373|> method*
[20:21.46] <|343373|> do you understand the 167, 761, and 7 / 7 = ? now?
[20:23.0*] <|343373|> wait i think i typod again
[20:23.20] <NiceLurk> sorry i got distracted a bit
[20:23.26] <|343373|> sorry extremely tired atm
[20:23.46] <|343373|> anyway ill shorten the explanation abit atm, later ill explain more if you need
[20:23.56] <NiceLurk> yeah i get 16/7=6 not sure where you got 7/61
[20:24.17] <|343373|> yeah sec im not sure its 6 too i think
[20:24.31] <|343373|> when you divide by non prime 7 you get 1
[20:24.43] <|343373|> when you divide by prime 7 you get 6
[20:24.57] <|343373|> i need to recheck
[20:25.02] <NiceLurk> and i dont get this shift by infinity, if it reverses it doesnt shift by +infinity but -
[20:25.03] <|343373|> i done this in 2014
[20:25.56] <|343373|> no its by + it starts cycle from the next cycle -1 yes
[20:26.04] <|343373|> but it moves 1 cycle up still
[20:2*.07] <|343373|> the same approach to numeral system is used in LP
[20:2*.18] <|343373|> but using a base2* system
[20:2*.4*] <|343373|> using magic square to find the patter the next few pages will follow
[20:2*.56] <|343373|> pattern*
[20:30.58] <|343373|> original 17 pictures, pic on the 4th page is example used to understand hwo to use the magic square
[20:31.11] <|343373|> how*
[20:32.20] <|343373|> the magic square on page 17 is used as a tool to find the pattern pages 00-14 of the 00-57 will follow
[20:34.15] <|343373|> square on page 15 is incomplete, after completeing it and using the pattern theer you can solve up to page 22
[20:35.04] <NiceLurk> http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/uncovering-cicada/images/6/62/Onion_3_v3.jpg/revision/latest?cb=2014011511402*
[20:35.31] <NiceLurk> so this square from page 4 is example to solve page 4?
[20:36.53] <NiceLurk> that page was solved by reversing runes or "atbash" cipher; which is similar to what happened with sequnce form *5 /2 to /7
[20:37.40] <NiceLurk>  this one http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/uncovering-cicada/images/6/66/Runes-warning.jpg/revision/latest?cb=2014010816315*
[20:38.10] <|343373|> the image on page 22 and the top of 23 are used to 26, page 27 for up to 32, 32 for 33. and so on... its going back and forth at somepoint
[20:3*.10] <|343373|> yes thats part of the example
[20:3*.32] <|343373|> but it keeps moving acording to the pattern til page 17
[20:3*.52] <|343373|> the pattern keeps changing according to a pattern in the magic square
[20:41.27] <|343373|> square from page 4 is example to solve WHOLE 1-17
[20:41.37] <|343373|> well 3-17*
[20:42.0*] <|343373|> using the Gematria Primus as base-2* numeral system
[20:43.54] <|343373|> page 2 and 4-17
[20:46.55] <|343373|> sorry i might typo page numbers tiny bit im really tired atm
[20:47.3*] <NiceLurk> yeah you mean  pages 3-17, first two were Liber Primus and Intus
[20:47.42] <|343373|> btw any chance you can help me get unbanned on cicadasolvers? lol
[20:47.54] <NiceLurk> yeah i forgot
[20:47.55] <|343373|> they werent first 2
[20:4*.36] <|343373|> 00 is Liber Primus, 01 is warning, 02 is Intus, 03 is first wisdom
[20:4*.50] <|343373|> then the welcome starts
[20:52.1*] <NiceLurk> yeah you are right, i forgot about that, we changed order in wikia for some reason
[20:52.57] <|343373|> From what I understand about 3301s knowledge so far is that they are trying to build something amazing... using the true nature laws... But I still have no idea since I never got in contact with them directly so far (as far as i know)
[20:55.33] <|343373|> still have no idea for sure*
[20:56.24] <NiceLurk> so this square reverses the runes
[20:56.27] <NiceLurk> 272     138     341     131     151
[20:56.27] <NiceLurk> 366     1**     130     320     18
[20:56.27] <NiceLurk> 226     245     *1      245     226
[20:56.27] <NiceLurk> 18      320     130     1**     366
[20:56.27] <NiceLurk> 151     131     341     138     272
[20:57.06] <|343373|> yes the first 17 pages (not 00-57)
[20:58.36] <|343373|> You know what yin yang is right?
[20:5*.13] <NiceLurk> but on two pages we used also DIUINITY key, so it wasnt simple atbash ciphere but it was vigenere
[20:5*.24] <NiceLurk> yeah i am familiar with yin yang
[20:5*.3*] <|343373|> this is the first "magic square" simplified:
[20:5*.3*] <|343373|> 2 3 8 5 6
[20:5*.3*] <|343373|> 6 1 4 5 *
[20:5*.3*] <|343373|> 1 2 1 2 1
[20:5*.3*] <|343373|> * 5 4 1 5
[20:5*.40] <|343373|> 6 5 8 3 2
[20:5*.5*] <|343373|> the way they chose the numbers is very importrant in the hint too
[21:00.07] <|343373|> look at the "1"s
[21:01.15] <|343373|> also notice what number its missing
[21:01.35] <|343373|> all of it plays a role in the encryption pattern
[21:04.14] <NiceLurk> some pages were not encrypted at all
[21:04.2*] <|343373|> its all part of the pattern
[21:04.37] <|343373|> the first one is very simple
[21:04.43] <|343373|> its just the example
[21:06.17] <|343373|> if you find the connection between the pattern between the encryptions on what page number and the maic square youll understand how it works
[21:07.07] <NiceLurk> so second page used atbash cipher, no running key just simple fixed runes substitution 2* -> 1, 28 -> 2, 27 -> 3
[21:07.10] <|343373|> Im sorry but im already pushing on the line too much... Im trying to give as much as I can within the rules :s
[21:07.46] <|343373|> oh crap I forgot to explain to you about cycles
[21:08.42] <NiceLurk> are those 256 char hex strings involved in it?
[21:08.44] <|343373|> 1 is first cycle of 1, 10 is 2nd cycle of 1, 1* is 3rd and so on
[21:08.53] <|343373|> but thats in 10 base system
[21:0*.35] <|343373|> look at everything in both base10 for numbers and in a base2* for letters
[21:11.10] <NiceLurk> also cycles and i still dont visualize those axes with infinity shifts when you divide with prime number
[21:11.17] <|343373|> you can have 1 cycles of a number in 1 digit, 11 in 2 digits, 111 in 3 digits
[21:11.57] <NiceLurk> cycles... first one has * "steps", while 2nd, 3rd... has 10 "steps"
[21:12.01] <|343373|> those are for after page 15 of 00-57
[21:12.1*] <|343373|> first 15 pages will be slightly more simple
[21:12.56] <|343373|> the dificulty does up slowly then cancels itself in the end reaching the end of the higher pattern
[21:13.02] <|343373|> goes up*
[21:15.07] <|343373|> thats why the last page wasnt really encrypted
[21:15.46] <NiceLurk> btw you are unbanned in #cicadasolvers, try not to tease brother and iIIustrious too much, seems to me they are quite trigger happy, yesterday iii kicked complexsystems and later her friend for no real reason
[21:16.1*] <NiceLurk> yeah but second to last page is also simple cipher, just totient of primes or primes-1 as a key
[21:16.22] <|343373|> just this account or Fu-Xi too? :o
[21:17.22] <NiceLurk> hmm * 367 #cicadasolvers Fu-Xi!*@* iIIusionaliII!~iIIustrio@unaffiliated/iiiustrious 1462753501
[21:18.02] <|343373|> yeah that one
[21:1*.15] <|343373|> before last page is the end of the higher pattern and last page is no pattern at all, its plain gematria primus
[21:1*.58] <|343373|> because all of the patterns are cancelled by that point
[21:20.1*] <|343373|> and thanks
[21:20.34] <NiceLurk> <brotherBox> you have never talked to fu-xi and he is a giant idiot
[21:21.26] <|343373|> ... sigh, they never even listened to the explanation, simply banned me
[21:21.46] <|343373|> youre one of the only few who have
[21:21.53] <NiceLurk> was fu-xi your acount or somebody elses?
[21:21.54] <|343373|> does it make sense now though?
[21:22.53] <NiceLurk> well i still dont really know how to put those squares in the ciphers and keys, but i am a bit to tired right now to think about it anyways
[21:23.02] <|343373|> umm I cant answer this one, but its not just myself who has access to it, but its not 3301, im not in contact and never directly was with them
[21:23.31] <NiceLurk> still trying to wrap my head around those axes shifting to infinity
[21:24.05] <|343373|> they dont have to shift to infinity they will shift as much as you want them to
[21:24.48] <|343373|> the /7, /3, /6  and /* will keep shifting the higher number you divide
[21:25.18] <|343373|> thats part of the encryption too so i cant talk too much in detail about it :/
[21:26.40] <NiceLurk> so fu-xi is your friend who also solved LP and has access to those directions from onion or what?
[21:26.55] <|343373|> you could say that
[21:27.37] <NiceLurk> complexsystems and her aliases are also part of your clan?
[21:27.52] <|343373|> no
[21:28.18] <|343373|> and its not a clan lol
[21:28.25] <NiceLurk> there is shit load of peolpe claiming all sorts of things without much proof, that is why iII and brother are banning and kicking people all over the place
[21:2*.32] <|343373|> Fu-Xi is just a friend I promised to keep his privacy and I have access to his account because of the meaning of that nickname
[21:2*.53] <NiceLurk> i came back to channels a week ago, i wasnt on irc for almost two years, and i noticed that alot of things have changed, its just getting worse
[21:30.28] <|343373|> ik
[21:30.41] <NiceLurk> but when fu-xi was banned, was it you using his nick?
[21:31.42] <|343373|> uhhh one of the 2 times. he was banned.. lol from what I know
[21:32.24] <|343373|> my friend ragequited trying to follow the rules after the ban
[21:32.46] <NiceLurk> so was he unbanned before
[21:33.13] <|343373|> i mean ragequited irc
[21:33.2*] <|343373|> idk I managed to go on it even though he said he was banned but then i got banned
[21:33.41] <|343373|> i mean i managed to join the channel
[21:33.54] <NiceLurk> trying to follow rules in solvers? there arent any rules besides dont get brother and iii angry
[21:35.17] <|343373|> he and I were just trying to explain and hint with 7/7=?, but then got attacked and sort of cried about the rules from the onion page
[21:35.25] <|343373|> sigh
[21:3*.01] <NiceLurk> apparently you posted this https://i.imgur.com/LzNz6Eq.png
[21:3*.1*] <NiceLurk> wich actually really looks unconvincing
[21:3*.27] <NiceLurk> which*
[21:41.33] <|343373|> Jpg from an onion address from a hex string going from page 70 to page 03 (4 of the original) backwards
[21:43.35] <|343373|> that 3301.jpg if changed to .mp3, will play the 761 (The Instar Emergence)
[21:48.24] <NiceLurk> " from a hex string going from page 70 to page 03 (4 of the original) backwards" i dont get it
[21:51.06] <|343373|> in the jpg theres a hex string that goes 3 characters at a time.. like abc, bcd, cde .... .on, oni, nio, ion, on/ ..... spelled backwards, starting page 70
[21:52.03] <|343373|> ends at page 03
[21:55.3*] <|343373|> then in the page directory theres a fake 3301.jpg, which is a gif, you use the word "gif" with gematria and something related to primes to find the extra directory that has the real 3301.jpg
[21:56.38] <NiceLurk> hex string is outguessed in pages from 3 to 70?
[21:56.4*] <|343373|> no
[21:56.55] <|343373|> you need to find it manually
[21:57.21] <NiceLurk> by opening those pages in hex editor?
[21:57.31] <|343373|> you could.. yes
[21:57.46] <|343373|> but its hell if you dont know what youre doing and what youre looking for
[21:57.58] <|343373|> so wait with that till you get to page 70
[21:58.33] <NiceLurk> didnt we already sniff those pages through and not found any redundant data
[21:5*.24] <NiceLurk> you have to decrypt pages to fing hex orwhat? why i need to wait before I get to page 70
[22:00.35] <|343373|> its a slightly altered hex string in the same(in a way) spot.. it follows a pattern too
[22:00.36] <|343373|> yes you need to be up to page 70 to find how to locate the hex string
[22:01.18] <|343373|> there was 1 week this month we were allowed to give out the 3301.jpg itself because it also related to 761 as a hint
[22:02.42] <NiceLurk> and that 3301 has outguessed message with PGP signatue? and it somehow contain jpg picture of cicada in the middle of ascii text
[22:03.44] <|343373|> it didnt outguess at first, there a black box in the file, once you use the right key with the right command you can outguess the encrypted data
[22:05.47] <|343373|> oh thats a program my friend made it outguesses everything in the file in the correct order that its in inside, because the comment of that jpg has a hint to do that
[22:06.52] <NiceLurk> but outguess outputs only ascii, it doesnt render jpegs like you have on that picture https://i.imgur.com/LzNz6Eq.png
[22:08.10] <|343373|> yeah, thats why i said, its a modified one
[22:08.11] <|343373|> it outguessed, then opened the next string that has the picture then the next text in the right order
[22:0*.21] <|343373|> otherwise outguess wouldve crashed even if it was decrtpyed blackbox by then
[22:0*.42] <|343373|> decrypted*
[22:11.13] <NiceLurk> http://www.download3k.com/Security/Encrypting-Tools/Download-Outguess-Rebirth-steganography.html this one?
[22:35.20] <|343373|> welp, someone spiked my vpn and the vpn started going crazy
[22:35.26] <|343373|> gg :|
[22:40.27] <NiceLurk> it wasnt me
[22:41.56] <NiceLurk> i dont even have a cloak, since my nick expired and  i had to register it agin few days ago, now i am uncloaked few days so that old frined can confirm geolocation
[22:45.58] <|343373|> did you say anything after I said "decrypted*"?
[22:58.2*] <|343373|> YOU
[22:58.44] <|343373|> DID YOU TELL SAGE?
[23:01.26] <NiceLurk> ill tell sage
[23:01.41] <|343373|> tell him what?
[23:02.02] <NiceLurk> yeah after you timed out i asked you if this is the outguess you were using http://www.download3k.com/Security/Encrypting-Tools/Download-Outguess-Rebirth-steganography.html this one?
[23:02.26] <|343373|> you told him about the thing I asked you not to tell anyone... didnt you? i mean the 7/7=?
[23:04.23] <NiceLurk> no
[23:04.48] <NiceLurk> we were talking about that jpg you posted with 7 / 7 = ?
[23:05.08] <|343373|> "<NiceLurk> you have my word"
[23:05.35] <NiceLurk> everybody think tha this is lame clue, as i did before you started to explain all the mod* things
[23:06.27] <NiceLurk> brother asked why i unbanned fu xi, i said that you asked to unban you and him
[23:06.48] <|343373|> how come he knows what 7/7=? is then? either you told him or he solved that far or he is with 3301...
[23:06.55] <NiceLurk> then brother posted that jpg and people started commenting it
[23:07.32] <|343373|> <lardbucket> 7 / 7. <lardbucket> 6.
[23:07.37] <NiceLurk> yeah i told them that 7/ 7 = 6 based on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_root
[23:07.4*] <|343373|> =.="""""""
[23:08.05] <NiceLurk> to prove that there is something behind your seemingly mad claims
[23:08.48] <|343373|> you know how hard it is to get to that point? and the rules say clearly to not say it directly
[23:0*.10] <|343373|> great... just great :/
[23:0*.24] <|343373|> thanks... :/
[23:0*.30] <NiceLurk> you didnt say anything directly, i still dont have a clue about solution
[23:10.52] <|343373|> well now it wont matter anymore.. I know I fucked up badly now... 7/7=? is the password to get recognized so that they will contact you
[23:11.37] <|343373|> knowing what 7/7=6 is the password in a way
[23:12.56] <NiceLurk> you have been posting that in channel in that jpg earlier and we are gonna solve the LP that would some out anyways
[23:13.21] <NiceLurk> that was first thing brother mentioned to "prove" you are a troll
[23:15.13] <|343373|> k I guess ive done my part, did you make it clear that i didnt just say 7/7=6 in digital root directly? :/
[23:16.00] <|343373|> also how much did you explain?
[23:16.37] <NiceLurk> not much i just posted  this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_root
[23:16.57] <|343373|> and said 7/7=6?
[23:17.33] <|343373|> and that it has something to do with the encryption pattern without going too much into details oh how the patterns and numbers work?
[23:17.45] <NiceLurk> [22:16:16] <NiceLurk> it is supposed to be 6, and there is some sort of logic bahind it, i have to admit
[23:18.20] <NiceLurk> [22:17:33] <NiceLurk> its based on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_root or simply adding diggits of number togather, like those numeorogical nuts do
[23:1*.25] <NiceLurk> and still brother didnt believe
[23:1*.45] <NiceLurk> [22:1*:05] <brotherBox> NiceLurk: that is not division though
[23:1*.45] <NiceLurk> [22:1*:26] <brotherBox> and it is entirely misleading to use that operator in that sense. he confirmed to me that / is meant as divisio
[23:1*.45] <NiceLurk> [22:1*:28] <brotherBox> n
[23:20.58] <NiceLurk> lardbucket isnt as opposing so he saw posibility of something there
[23:21.08] <NiceLurk> also i see that you figured out who is sage
[23:21.56] <|343373|> kk, you didnt explain too much in detail though like 2 5, 4 7 16, 7 5 2 are flipped?
[23:22.54] <|343373|> and the 4 +1cycle-1 part
[23:23.21] <NiceLurk> no i would need weeks to get that into brothers head
[23:23.36] <|343373|> i mean to no one else...
[23:24.24] <|343373|> dont explain in detail unless you finish comprehending how it works fully(or get to the rules page)
[23:24.41] <NiceLurk> no only brother and sage were talking about it
[23:25.0*] <|343373|> kk
[23:25.13] <NiceLurk> although if i figure out LP i will help them solve it, that is how we work in solvers from the beginning
[23:25.52] <NiceLurk> marcus has seen your 7 / 7 clue, when you were posting  outguessed jpg?
[23:26.04] <|343373|> thats your choice, as long as its something you get to yourself then its not my fault
[23:26.05] <NiceLurk> i wonder what would he have to say about it
[23:26.36] <NiceLurk> he had contact to 3301 for the longest from all the popel in solvers
[23:26.50] <|343373|> idk
[23:27.01] <NiceLurk> does he knows you?
[23:28.22] <NiceLurk> i sure dont remember you nick, although i remember most people that publicly collaborated in previous years
[23:2*.07] <|343373|> maybe, maybe not, I used other nick but i was more of a solo till I met the person i share the "fuxi" name with
[23:31.17] <NiceLurk> you didnt answer earlier, did fuxi guy compiled this outguess?
[23:31.35] <NiceLurk> http://www.download3k.com/Security/Encrypting-Tools/Download-Outguess-Rebirth-steganography.html
[23:32.05] <|343373|> no he used something else
[23:33.5*] <NiceLurk> " thats a program my friend made it outguesses everything in the file in the correct order that its in inside, because the comment of that jpg has a hint to do that"
[23:34.21] <NiceLurk> where was that comment
[23:35.03] <|343373|> we were stuck at the 3301.jpg for so long.. even after decrypting it kept crashing when we tried to outguess and gave only the first text line, then he got the idea modify the original outguess program in a way it will run virtually and not outguess in a file but as raw data, its hard to explain
[23:35.41] <NiceLurk> and how did you know that 3301.gif is fake so you somehow decrypted gif to folder on server to found real one
[23:35.58] <|343373|> it didnt have any blackbox in the file
[23:36.02] <|343373|> there was nothing there
[23:36.03] <|343373|> at all
[23:36.1*] <|343373|> other than the demo text and the music
[23:36.36] <|343373|> took a while to figure it out
[23:36.4*] <|343373|> then why is it a gif when its called a .jpg?
[23:37.28] <NiceLurk> what sort of blackbox do you mean?
[23:38.07] <|343373|> a whole section of the file encrypted and by passed
[23:3*.1*] <NiceLurk> but openpuff and outguess dont put any blackboxes in the file
[23:3*.47] <NiceLurk> not sure about openpuff but outguess changes normal pixels to encrypt data
[23:40.00] <NiceLurk> there is nothing to detect in the file
[23:40.33] <|343373|> yeah first you decrypt the black box then you can access the outguess area
[23:42.17] <NiceLurk> if you put some randomly encrypted block in jpg file file is corrupted behind that block of text, you can add bytes only in header and at the end of the file to keep file readable
[23:42.20] <|343373|> anyway, about the gif file, so we were confused and at some point though what if we change "gif" to gematria and see if there are any primes (3301 love primes..)
[23:43.20] <|343373|> it was somewhere inside the sound file as far as i know
[23:43.37] <|343373|> inside the soundfile that was inside the jpg
[23:44.27] <|343373|> Gif -> 17 31 2
[23:44.28] <NiceLurk> and file was redable as mp3 then?
[23:45.10] <|343373|> yes if you change the file from "3301.jpg" into "3301.mp3" it plays the 761.mp3 file
[23:45.21] <|343373|> idk if its the same mp3 file or not
[23:45.35] <|343373|> but it sound the same
[23:45.41] <NiceLurk> and you had to manually extract the hex string of jpg then
[23:45.5*] <NiceLurk> or did it open the gif file if you changed extension to jpg?
[23:46.06] <|343373|> decrypt it and set the offset of the outguess
[23:46.37] <|343373|> umm the gif done the same
[23:46.53] <|343373|> but gif didint have the black box
[23:47.06] <|343373|> gif has could change to mp3 to play the music too
[23:47.14] <|343373|> gif too*
[23:47.54] <|343373|> anyway back to the story about the gif, we almost gave up but then thought what if we change the "gif" letters into gematria and look for primes
[23:48.02] <|343373|> Gif -> 17 31 2
[23:48.21] <|343373|> the only prime was 17231
[23:48.3*] <|343373|> gfi
[23:48.5*] <NiceLurk> yeah
[23:4*.26] <|343373|> so we added /17231/ to the directory address on the onion page that had the gif file
[23:4*.40] <|343373|> and suddenly we see the same page
[23:50.00] <|343373|> with other 3301.jpg that was abit different in its size
[23:50.08] <NiceLurk> with jpg intead of gif, and "blackbox"
[23:50.15] <|343373|> yes
[23:51.38] <|343373|> then took a while to decode it as i already said
[23:52.22] <NiceLurk> then you used those manually compiled outguess to get message from that new jpg
[23:53.0*] <|343373|> yes after decrypting the message section inside the file and setting the outguess offset to the right starting address
[23:53.18] <NiceLurk> and outguessed mesage contained another string that was jpg of cicada on white background, or what is that picture doing in the middle of your screenshot?
[23:54.02] <|343373|> there was a string in the middle that was the picture, it was blocking the outguess from giving the whole text
[23:55.01] <NiceLurk> that picture was blocking outguess? https://i.imgur.com/LzNz6Eq.png
[23:55.12] <|343373|> the cicada inside the outguess has transparent background while the 3301.jpg has white background
[23:55.53] <|343373|> so i guess they were making a challenge and a joke about the gif at the same time... :/
[23:56.35] <|343373|> yes
[23:56.54] <NiceLurk> jpg doesnt have transparent color
[23:57.00] <|343373|> i know
[23:57.26] <|343373|> so there was another pic inside the pic or inside the mp3 that was inside the pic
[23:57.3*] <|343373|> inside the text
[23:57.46] <|343373|> that was encrypted
[23:58.20] <|343373|> and that was encrypted again inside a blackbox that was ignored by both files unless you found it almost manually
[23:58.23] <NiceLurk> yeah but i dont understand how  that picture was able to be outguessed out somehow and being placed in the middle of outguesses output
[23:58.47] <|343373|> that pic was blocking, the outguess crashed everytime it tried to continue the not finished outguess
[23:5*.46] <|343373|> its like heres an outguess, now semi fuse it with a hexsring of a pic and try to outguess it... you dont know where to cut it, what part of the hex strong to remove
[00:00.22] <|343373|> the only way is to allow the pic to display to let the rest of the outguess be read in a way
[00:01.15] <|343373|> so the only was was to allow it to show up and to keep it raw display not outguess the way outguess works
[00:01.22] <|343373|> only way was*
[00:02.58] <NiceLurk> so you had message that was outguessed into the picture by cicada, and then they "cut" hex of that jpg with another gif/png since it had transparent background
[00:03.31] <NiceLurk> so would have to remove it manually or tell outguess to ignore those bytes
[00:04.0*] <|343373|> im not sure how theyve done it exactly
[00:04.16] <NiceLurk> but what bothers me is that if you put some string in the middle of jpg file then jpg gets heavily corrupted
[00:04.2*] <|343373|> we were experimenting and got lucky making it show up
[00:05.23] <NiceLurk> anyway this super buil of outguess you have detects picture in the middle of the string and renders it somewhere in the message
[00:05.25] <|343373|> well... tell that to a jpg that has 167 seconds of music inside of it...
[00:05.3*] <|343373|> that plays when you change the file name into mp3
[00:05.41] <|343373|> :/
[00:05.51] <|343373|> while pic looks perfectly fine
[00:06.16] <NiceLurk> yeah but that is possible since there are indentifying start and ending bits
[00:06.24] <|343373|> we has to set the offset outself, it didint detect
[00:06.2*] <|343373|> didnt*
[00:06.50] <|343373|> it just read/'displayed' the whole area
[00:07.33] <NiceLurk> .jpg and picture viewer starts looking for jpg start bytes, while if you put .mp3 mediaplayer starts reading at ID3 tag
[00:08.13] <NiceLurk> but that only works if you dont cut the file between starting and ending bits of certain format
[00:08.14] <|343373|> welp
[00:08.56] <NiceLurk> anyways that message, when you removed that png/gif was validated with legit PGP?
[00:0*.24] <NiceLurk> and if yes why didnt you show that to brother when you posted that in channel?
[00:10.03] <NiceLurk> legit PGP and all solvers would instantly believe you whatever you would said :-)
[00:10.18] <|343373|> yes, we had to write it all down though there were few random alt 255 in there that looked like space, which was hell, because we couldnt copy paste from taht screen
[00:11.10] <|343373|> because the rule was to not show the lower part of the message
[00:11.15] <NiceLurk> since we were warned multiple times to beware of false paths, all that solvers have trust on is PGP
[00:11.20] <|343373|> there was something else there
[00:11.2*] <NiceLurk> oh, cicada doesnt want to be verified
[00:12.00] <NiceLurk> something else?
[00:12.24] <NiceLurk> looks like PGP signature made with Perl to me, based on header
[00:12.34] <|343373|> under the RSA
[00:13.4*] <NiceLurk> but if it was under RSA it wasnt signed, so you would be able to cut it away and post only part that was signed
[00:13.58] <|343373|> there was something under the RSA that was stated to not show(in the rules)
[00:14.57] <|343373|> there was though
[00:15.01] <NiceLurk> yeah you can cut that away and message  on top of RSA would still validate
[00:15.11] <|343373|> under it
[00:15.17] <|343373|> it was part of the pgp
[00:16.27] <NiceLurk> you cant add things in PGP signature and keep it working
[00:16.38] <|343373|> K ill check tomorrow it can be verified without that part
[00:16.43] <|343373|> if it*
[00:18.08] <|343373|> if it can then ill have a 100% proof screenshot to show in brotherBoxs face.. lol
[00:18.51] <NiceLurk> verified mesage is on top of ==========then you have PGP version then signature (containing public key ID, date, checksum...) and then another line of ==============
[00:21.06] <NiceLurk> uh i see now
[00:21.12] <NiceLurk> now i derped
[00:21.27] <|343373|> ....
[00:21.3*] <NiceLurk> its not signature  but another encrypted message
[00:21.51] <|343373|> yeah
[00:22.01] <NiceLurk> -----BEGIN COMPRESSED RSA ENCRYPTED MESSAGE-----   !=
[00:22.01] <NiceLurk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
[00:22.34] <NiceLurk> you cant validate signature without exposing RSA ENCRYPTED MESSAGE
[00:22.40] <|343373|> i know
[00:22.41] <|343373|> ....
[00:22.56] <|343373|> :/
[00:23.02] <NiceLurk> it was similar format than this in 2012
[00:23.03] <NiceLurk> http://uncovering-cicada.wikia.com/wiki/What_Happened_Part_2_%282012%2*
[00:23.20] <|343373|> theres something else under the RSA though
[00:23.23] <NiceLurk> but did you decrypt it?
[00:23.32] <|343373|> same key
[00:24.46] <NiceLurk> same as what? same as used in puzzle in 2012 or in puzzle in 2014? or your public key?
[00:26.34] <NiceLurk> also those spaces/alt 255 you mentioned that were in message, they are put there intentionally, cicada is doind this all the time, look at them in latest messages
[00:27.06] <NiceLurk> http://uncovering-cicada.wikia.com/wiki/What_Happened_Liber_Primus_%28Post_2014%2*#.22message.txt.asc.22_.28Spaces_Replaced_and_Counted.2*:
[00:27.1*] <NiceLurk> its always prime number of spaces
[00:27.54] <|343373|> 167 and 761 cookies
[00:28.3*] <NiceLurk> yeah i rememer them, they were on test page in 2013 iirc
[00:28.56] <NiceLurk> whats about them?
[00:28.56] <|343373|> yeah, but we couldnt copy paste from that thing... so we had to figureout where they were
[00:28.58] <|343373|> .....
[00:2*.18] <|343373|> do you know what those cookies for?
[00:2*.50] <NiceLurk> i dont know the details anymore, but i think we never figured out what they were for
[00:30.00] <NiceLurk> they werent identifying cookies though
[00:30.48] <NiceLurk>     167=6*41f707ff3*d25*ff71657a7*cb6b54c184d2f045581010*c1a*60860bde0e6;
[00:30.48] <NiceLurk>     761=7bc1e7805ccfa518*20f0d*4fc4e8f7dbd83287a03b337b8*10*cd2287befae5;
[00:30.55] <NiceLurk> found them in wikia
[00:30.58] <NiceLurk> we all got the same
[00:31.43] <|343373|> they are the RSA key for that msg in a way apparently
[00:31.57] <|343373|> it was abit tricky
[00:32.58] <NiceLurk> did you figure out what were 3 256 char hex strings for
[00:34.06] <NiceLurk> http://uncovering-cicada.wikia.com/wiki/Loose_ends#Open_Lead_1
[00:34.07] <|343373|> the LP ones?
[00:34.14] <NiceLurk> these strings
[00:34.21] <NiceLurk> not LP
[00:34.2*] <|343373|> OHH those
[00:34.44] <NiceLurk> those strings were slowlly adding up on onions before they displayed LP jpgs
[00:37.18] <|343373|> Cant tell you about that sorry, its only for those who finished 2012 in time
[00:40.57] <NiceLurk> and you solved it for yourself?
[00:41.12] <NiceLurk> anyways
[00:41.15] <|343373|> as in?
[00:41.5*] <NiceLurk> i mean you figured out what 256 strings are for by yourself, or did you get instructions from cicada conecction from 2012 how to use them
[00:42.36] <NiceLurk> although you said your 2012 and 2013 connection is same onion link
[00:42.40] <|343373|> there were instructions on how to use them
[00:42.58] <NiceLurk> ok plausable
[00:43.0*] <NiceLurk> i was wanting to ask another thing
[00:43.3*] <NiceLurk> you mentioned briefly earlier that parable is somehow important along with 761 and 167 to solve LP pages
[00:43.40] <|343373|> yes I was skeptical about the links there so i ended up solving that, then page went blank again till the whole LP appeared there lated
[00:45.01] <|343373|> 167 761 16, 7, 61, 7/7 and the axes play a huge role at some point
[00:45.17] <|343373|> 1033 and 3301 are important too
[00:45.22] <NiceLurk> http://uncovering-cicada.wikia.com/wiki/Instar_emergence_%28mp3_and_hidden_poem%2*#Meaning_of_Parable_1.2C5*5.2C277.2C641
[00:45.23] <|343373|> btw if you havent noiced
[00:45.27] <|343373|> 33 01
[00:45.3*] <|343373|> noticed*
[00:46.05] <NiceLurk> i was asking about thast "parable# number 125**1031*1226 = 1,5*5,277,641
[00:46.35] <NiceLurk> also what i should notice in 33 01?
[00:46.38] <|343373|> oh sorry i missed that part
[00:46.40] <|343373|> uhh
[00:47.3*] <|343373|> the way you count to find the parable, partly related to magic squares too
[00:48.15] <NiceLurk> >partly
[00:48.25] <|343373|> party.
[00:48.2*] <|343373|> partly*
[00:48.4*] <NiceLurk> so all the lines need to add to certain number also
[00:4*.02] <|343373|> meaning it plays a role in how to find the pattern
[00:4*.34] <|343373|> look at it more like a matrix than just lines
[00:4*.35] <NiceLurk> yeah i guess not every line adds to number from square or even to prime
[00:4*.52] <NiceLurk> they just cramed as many runes in one line as tey could
[00:50.54] <NiceLurk> cramped*
[00:51.02] <|343373|> sometimes the counting does matter
[00:52.0*] <NiceLurk> also clarify this again, in 2012 you solved the game before whole CAKES group and got onion link that only displayed various messages to whoever visits it
[00:52.23] <NiceLurk> and you have no idea how many people has access to it
[00:52.46] <NiceLurk> then in 2013 you  finished and got link to the same onion
[00:53.18] <|343373|> yes no idea. but i believe there were quite a few considering the person i solved the jpg and few other stuff with was one of them too
[00:55.02] <NiceLurk> that later went blank and then in 2014 displayed LP in 0-74
[00:55.12] <|343373|> yes
[00:55.24] <|343373|> and gone down sometime in 2015
[00:56.01] <NiceLurk> and now it went back up and it displayed instrutions to post clues that you cant prove are legit
[00:56.31] <|343373|> no, thats another page, this one is from after LP already
[00:57.22] <NiceLurk> aha in LP there is new onion
[00:57.41] <|343373|> I told you that in the beginning when I was explaining
[00:57.43] <|343373|> o.o
[00:58.11] <NiceLurk> but what was happening on old one before it went down in 2012 and 2013
[00:58.43] <NiceLurk> did you gont information that CAKES group was for people who came too late on that onion?
[00:5*.11] <NiceLurk> or did you have two way communication channel with 3301 back then?
[00:5*.35] <|343373|> the page from 2012-2013 gave full LP in 2014 then shutdown in 2015. now page from after LP has lots of rules of what to NOT do, and a stupid msg that sums up to something along the words of keep seeking, and giving hints and we will find and contact you
[01:00.40] <|343373|> which I find as bullshit after being told to wait ever since 2012 and not getting in actual contact this whole time =__="
[01:01.02] <NiceLurk> i am asking about 2012 and 2013, after CAKES onion went down in 2013 i think almost all of us lost any communication with 3301
[01:01.14] <|343373|> only close contact I had with them is chating with Rain/Wind
[01:01.48] <NiceLurk> only marcus as far i know still have some links and got few instructions in 3013 and 2014
[01:02.41] <NiceLurk> they told us to creat wikipedia page and not much else
[01:03.11] <|343373|> The board was a decoy to monitor and filter ppl, instruction from 2012-2013 said that since you got to this page do not go to the boards those are a decoy
[01:03.20] <NiceLurk> and marcus was alowed to participate in 2013 puzzle if  he didnt reveal to solvers that he had contact with 3301
[01:03.48] <|343373|> where is marcus?
[01:04.33] <NiceLurk> in solvers but using differnet nick just for fun
[01:04.42] <NiceLurk> blingbat
[01:04.42] <|343373|> what nick?
[01:05.50] <NiceLurk> well he was apparently contacted by another guy from 2012, that claimed that he got task from 3301 to creat "cult" around cicada, but he didnt believe him
[01:06.33] <NiceLurk> and out of that cult project https://cicada3301.org/ was born
[01:07.36] <NiceLurk> which is another lame webpage with lots of bald claims but no proof of having any connection with cicada
[01:0*.01] <NiceLurk> only thing all the messagers that claim to have contact with 3301 have in common is that they cant proof shit, so they get laughed at alot
[01:0*.08] <|343373|> from what I know, my assumption is,  3301 are trying to build something crazy... (technologically crazy)
[01:0*.40] <NiceLurk> and then we hve those fake bbc news, and pi.mobi that lots of people believe is legit
[01:11.30] <|343373|> The thing I explained to you about numbers, it doesnt just apply to the puzzle or number games.. its the patterns nature actually follows.. patterns natural phenomena follow...
[01:11.30] <NiceLurk> check crazy clues Joel is getting http://www.clevcode.org/cicada-3301/
[01:13.00] <NiceLurk> before your explanation i never hear of digital root, we never mentioned it on college
[01:13.51] <NiceLurk> i was thinking about it sort of like about astronomy, didnt know that it has all those dope properties listed in wiki article
[01:13.52] <|343373|> because traditional mathematics and science see numbers as something that can grow into infinity
[01:14.10] <|343373|> while in reality its a cycle
[01:14.5*] <|343373|> base10 can be also written as -4 -3 -2 -1 (*) +1 +2 +3 +4
[01:16.05] <|343373|>  5  6  7  8 *|0  1  2  3  4
[01:16.05] <|343373|> -4 -3 -2 -1 (*) +1 +2 +3 +4
[01:16.27] <|343373|> 0 being nothing
[01:16.46] <|343373|> * being complete, balanced state
[01:18.36] <|343373|> -8<(*)>1+, -2<(-3)>4+, -5<(+6)>7+
[01:20.20] <|343373|> you wont learn it in college because it changes the whole approach to mathematics and science and they wouldnt wasnt that ofcourse, so they dont research it much
[01:20.32] <|343373|> they just call it math tricks
[01:21.21] <NiceLurk> -8<(*)>1+, -2<(-3)>4+, -5<(+6)>7+  what are those
[01:22.5*] <|343373|> while when its applied to electrical engineering or electronics they cant explain why it does so well, but reject it because its not traditional approach and hard to implement into what we have so far
[01:23.48] <|343373|> in base10, * is the most stable state its more complete and most neutral, it doesnt need anything and it doesnt want anything
[01:23.5*] <|343373|> it has everything it needs inside it
[01:24.22] <|343373|> 8 is a - charge force
[01:25.0*] <|343373|> it has a + and a neutral by lacks stability so it attracts
[01:27.07] <|343373|> while 1 is the first of the next stable (its not full), it has no stability and needs a - or 2(is a - too) to become a first stable
[01:27.15] <|343373|> hard to explain sorry =.=
[01:27.1*] <|343373|> im too tired for this
[01:28.27] <|343373|> 1 4 7 are positive(+) charge and 6 is a stable with a positive charge
[01:2*.01] <|343373|> 8 5 2 are negative(-) charge and 3 is a stable with a negative charge
[01:2*.15] <|343373|> * is completely stable with neutral charge
[01:2*.48] <|343373|> last 3 messages are the simplified version
[01:30.08] <|343373|> without going into complicated details
[01:30.23] <NiceLurk> last 3 messages?
[01:31.2*] <|343373|> <|343373|> 1 4 7 are positive(+) charge and 6 is a stable with a positive charge
[01:31.2*] <|343373|> <|343373|> 8 5 2 are negative(-) charge and 3 is a stable with a negative charge
[01:31.2*] <|343373|> <|343373|> * is completely stable with neutral charge
[01:31.48] <|343373|> keep all of that to yourself btw kk? :/
[01:33.02] <|343373|> idk how much of it I can really talk about, theres not much about it in the rules, but probably because they didnt make a puzzle to teach it yet.. idk
[01:34.24] <NiceLurk> how did you come across that number theory? did you got that from 3301 or were you learning that before by yourself
[01:34.25] <|343373|> there are only few hints about this part so idk if its about this or if its okay
[01:35.44] <|343373|> I got to understand it slowly back in 2008-200* because I was curious about the rules of the nature and what kind of patterns nature follows
[01:38.48] <NiceLurk> isnt everything in nature based on fibonachi sequence and golden ratio?
[01:3*.00] <|343373|> Later in 2012 on a board I was suprized someone used 3301 which I already knew by then meant 33_01, 7 with 6 and 1 in a prime, so I got curious, and the more I solved the more I noticed that they follow the same approach
[01:3*.03] <NiceLurk> also i didnt get what you meant by  "cycles"
[01:3*.20] <|343373|> fibonachi sequence and golden ratio come from those patterns
[01:40.2*] <NiceLurk>  33_01, 7 with 6 and 1 in a prime  i dont see the connection there either
[01:41.24] <NiceLurk> 33 is 7 with six  and 01 is in prime?
[01:42.21] <|343373|> 33 -> 6, 01 -> 1, 3301 is a 7 and and is a perfect prime
[01:42.27] <|343373|> so I got curious
[01:43.52] <|343373|> btw totient function is displaying one of the axis patterns.
[01:44.56] <NiceLurk>  axis patterns
[01:45.2*] <NiceLurk> you mean that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EulerPhi.svg ?
[01:46.08] <|343373|> I got curious and the more I solved the more I noticed they follow the same approach... to the point I couldnt deny that they understand how it works and do it on purpose
[01:46.50] <|343373|> yup that one
[01:47.14] <|343373|> you need to understand how it really works though
[01:48.32] <NiceLurk> 3301 in octal is 172* in decimal which is also famous number https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/172*_%28number%2*
[01:4*.35] <|343373|> wanna see something creepy?
[01:4*.3*] <NiceLurk> i get totient and i got why there is that evident line at primes diagonal, i dont know why there forms other  visible lines below that one
[01:4*.53] <|343373|> 3301 mod28
[01:50.42] <NiceLurk> 25?
[01:51.15] <NiceLurk> 2+5 = 7 ?
[01:52.32] <|343373|> 3301 is axis of 25 or of 2<---->5 in mod28
[01:53.08] <|343373|> how they fit it... I ave no idea but they somehow found the most perfect numbers for those things
[01:54.45] <NiceLurk> why is that spooky?
[01:54.46] <|343373|> and 3301*25 ... sigh
[01:56.2*] <|343373|> and if you add the missing * again, it becomes a prime again
[01:57.08] <|343373|> im rambling at this point sorry
[01:57.13] <|343373|> really tired xD
[01:57.43] <|343373|> those things are not impotrant
[01:57.47] <|343373|> important*
[01:58.23] <NiceLurk> 3301*25 + * is not prime though
[01:58.26] <|343373|> just focus on the things I explained earlier and try to find the pattern then use it to decrypt/read the LP
[01:58.47] <|343373|> add digit *
[01:58.5*] <|343373|> after the 5
[02:00.23] <NiceLurk>  82525*
[02:00.30] <|343373|> prime
[02:01.17] <NiceLurk> hey tell me what did you mean by cycles
[02:01.36] <|343373|> each * is a cycle
[02:01.55] <|343373|> 1 is begining of a new cycle
[02:01.56] <NiceLurk> first one is from 1-*, second from 20-2*,  third 30-3* and so on
[02:02.02] <NiceLurk> why isnt first one from 0-*
[02:02.18] <|343373|> 0 is nothing
[02:02.35] <|343373|> you have the cycle from before as a counted unit
[02:02.42] <|343373|> but nothing of the new cycle
[02:02.58] <NiceLurk> but on second cycle you start with 10-1* not 11-1*, so there is inconsistency
[02:03.0*] <|343373|> 10 -> 1 of older cycle, 0 of new
[02:03.43] <|343373|> yes you start with
[02:03.51] <|343373|> 1 and nothing to 1 and *
[02:04.23] <|343373|> can you count nothing as something?
[02:05.07] <NiceLurk> well depends you can start counting with 0 if you want
[02:05.46] <NiceLurk> if 10 -> 1 of older cycle, 0 of new
[02:05.57] <NiceLurk> then first cycle is from 1-10
[02:06.10] <NiceLurk> and then second from 11-20
[02:06.17] <NiceLurk> third 21-30
[02:06.1*] <NiceLurk> and so on
[02:06.20] <|343373|> no
[02:06.55] <|343373|> 1 of old = * of new you just convert the complete * into a 1
[02:08.12] <|343373|> ill say this again, we are not counting whole '1's
[02:08.38] <|343373|> if you count whole '1's then 10 is more than *
[02:0*.05] <|343373|> because you have '1'+'1'+'1'+'1'+'1'+'1'+'1'+'1'+'1'+'1'
[02:10.03] <|343373|> not a 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, *, or a 0
[02:10.23] <NiceLurk> 10 is when first cycle already starts repeating  and it becomes 1 again, then at 11 second cycle starts and goes to 1*
[02:12.31] <|343373|> '1'+'1'+'1'+'1'+'1'+'1'+'1'+'1'+'1'+'1' = 10, but not what whole "10" is.
[02:12.31] <|343373|> while 10 = what whole of '1'+'1'+'1'+'1'+'1'+'1'+'1'+'1'+'1'+'1' is
[02:15.00] <|343373|> theres an equal sign but its not really equal, its equal only in the correct situation. thats why im talking about and why 3301 refering to the nature of numbers. those are always equal fully in any situation, only 7 makes problems but it still follows its own pattern
[02:18.08] <|343373|> the * of 0* are counted as 1 of the 10
[02:18.37] <|343373|> so the pattern starts with 1 of the higher cycle and 0 of the lower
[02:20.13] <|343373|> 1 of the higher and 1 of the lower is same as being "2" in the nature of their existence
[02:20.36] <|343373|> 1 higher and 2 lower same as having 3 in the nature of it
[02:20.51] <|343373|> and so on
[02:21.01] <NiceLurk> i still dont get is :-/
[02:21.17] <NiceLurk> <|343373|> the * of 0* are counted as 1 of the 10
[02:21.27] <|343373|> but cycles go from 1 something that exists to * complete existence
[02:22.08] <|343373|> each digit has a cycle
[02:22.35] <|343373|> you can combine them though, as long as they are connected
[02:22.43] <NiceLurk> so first cycle 1 up to *
[02:23.08] <|343373|> 0 nothing inside the digit, then 1-* something inside the digit
[02:23.10] <|343373|> yes
[02:23.45] <NiceLurk> second one cant start with * since is already used so we chiise next one
[02:23.5*] <NiceLurk> so second starts with 10 and foes to 1*
[02:25.04] <NiceLurk> or now 10 doesnts count and you start with 11 wich is 4
[02:25.10] <|343373|> to 18 because thats a * already too
[02:27.31] <|343373|> (0)(18) -> (0)(*)
[02:28.52] <|343373|> thats why I said up to * digits because after * digits starts another * digit cycle, which makes it abit confusing if you dont understand it
[02:28.53] <NiceLurk> yeah so third one is from 1* (*+1= 1+0=1) to the 27 2+7=*
[02:2*.28] <|343373|> 1-*, 10-18, 1*-27, and so on
[02:2*.41] <|343373|> total of 11 cycles in 2 digits
[02:2*.54] <|343373|> 111 cycles in 3 digits
[02:30.07] <|343373|> 1 cycle in 1 digit
[02:30.30] <|343373|> 1111 cycles in 4 digits
[02:30.40] <NiceLurk> yeah 10th cycle is from 82-*0 and then 11th from *1-**
[02:30.50] <|343373|> yes
[02:31.22] <NiceLurk> so in 1-** there are 11 equal cycles
[02:31.27] <NiceLurk> that makes sense now
[02:31.27] <|343373|> yes
[02:31.42] <|343373|> sorry too tired to explain properly
[02:32.5*] <NiceLurk> me too ill go to sleep now
[02:33.08] <NiceLurk> 2:30 PM at my place
[02:33.13] <NiceLurk> AM*
[02:33.33] <|343373|> kk good night
[02:33.4*] <|343373|> ttyl
[02:34.48] <|343373|> try to keep this to yourself as much as you can for now
[02:35.06] <|343373|> and try to figure out how it works
[02:35.43] <|343373|> (especially with the magicsquares and the LP)
[23:5*.0*] <|343373|> iIIustrious seems to really hate me.. lol sigh
[00:00.14] <Lurker6*> lol yeah i see, i cant push him to unban you again, ask him for yourself
[00:00.38] <Lurker6*> they just dont believe you since you didnt provide any verifiable proof
[00:00.48] <Lurker6*> wait ill link you the log
[00:03.43] <Lurker6*> http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?ee4a2bbb0c2356*2#XxqQB2Nqubt/kaDjvnVs5SdKIEUr/SXmdoJ/Gl*1OJY=
[00:04.31] <Lurker6*> i will try to explain your theory to them, although i still dont really coprehend why Dr 7/7 should be Dr 16/7
[00:04.4*] <|343373|> dont
[00:05.30] <|343373|> Dont explain anything its okay
[00:06.17] <Lurker6*> no? ok
[00:06.28] <|343373|> me explaining it to you was already pushing he rules
[00:06.31] <|343373|> the*
[00:06.52] <Lurker6*>  <|343373|> or by understanding that dividing prime 7 by prime 7 cancels the shift by 1 infinity
[00:06.52] <Lurker6*>  <|343373|> 16/7 = 6, 7/61 = 1
[00:06.5*] <Lurker6*>  î dont get that
[00:07.20] <|343373|> 7/61 = 0.**************....
[00:07.41] <Lurker6*> 7/61=0,1147540*83606557
[00:08.20] <Lurker6*> its not repeating as frations of 7 were, so where do you cut it?
[00:08.2*] <|343373|> 0.1147540*8360655737704*18032786885245*0163*3442622*5081*67213 1147540*8360655737704*18032786885245*0163*3442622*5081*67213....
[00:08.44] <|343373|> 1147540*8360655737704*18032786885245*0163*3442622*5081*67213 -> *
[00:0*.00] <Lurker6*> oh it is repeating, my calc doesnt have enough decimals
[00:0*.36] <|343373|> its repeating after 60 digits
[00:13.46] <Lurker6*> but... then it should be Dr 7/61=*    not   7/61 = 1 as you said
[00:16.01] <|343373|> infinite * behind a , can be counted as a 1...
[00:16.36] <|343373|> we've been through this yesterday when I was explaining cycles
[00:17.02] <Lurker6*> oh yes thats true
[00:27.27] <Lurker6*> what does that has to do with cycles? we only talked about number of cycles in n-digit number (11 cycles in 2 digit, 111 cycles in 3digit...)
[00:2*.5*] <|343373|> 61 is 6 cycles and 7, 60 digits after the , would count as 1 digit in that case
[00:31.11] <|343373|> the way cycles work
[00:34.31] <|343373|> when a cycle of any kind is complete(base n-1) then you can turn it into another higher cycle
[00:35.48] <|343373|> 0.*0000.... is not complete, 0.******.... is complete in relation to fraction.
[00:36.50] <|343373|> 0.*0 =/= 1.0, 0.(*) = 1.0
[00:37.21] <Lurker6*> yeah i get that
[00:44.36] <|343373|> >just read the log...
[00:44.40] <|343373|> sigh =.=
[00:44.46] <|343373|> Im done.
[00:46.5*] <|343373|> btw last thing, 0.******.... can be counted as both * and a 1
[00:48.37] <Lurker6*> yeah i was wondering that
[00:48.58] <Lurker6*> i am rechecking everything and noticed some discrepancy
[00:48.58] <Lurker6*> 1/7=0,142857 142857 ...
[00:48.58] <Lurker6*> Dr 142857 -> *
[00:48.58] <Lurker6*> 7/61=0.1147540*8360655737704*18032786885245*0163*3442622*5081*67213 1147540*8360655737704*18032786885245*0163*3442622*5081*67213....
[00:48.58] <Lurker6*> Dr 1147540*8360655737704*18032786885245*0163*3442622*5081*67213 -> *
[00:48.58] <Lurker6*> Now for Dr 1/7 you said it is *; but for 7/61 -> 1
[00:48.58] <Lurker6*> and they both have "form" digital roots of 0.*****...
[00:4*.27] <Lurker6*> so Dr 1/7 can be 1 or * ?
[00:4*.45] <Lurker6*> same goes for 7/61
[00:50.17] <|343373|> yes.
[00:50.58] <|343373|> I limited it just to * earlier so that you notice that its 51627384* [Pattern of *5 AND /2] backwards
[00:51.28] <Lurker6*> ok
[00:52.21] <Lurker6*> and Dr 7/7 that changes to 16/7 is becasue you have to cycle it once to another cycle so 7 becomes 7+*=16
[00:53.3*] <|343373|> no its because you deal with 2 primes of 7
[00:54.3*] <|343373|> Btw may I have the updated chat log please?. I want to know what else you told them.
[00:58.10] <Lurker6*> yes, not much more http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?2e5de*274df8263b#FRg5F3ZJemX3IAEtvlCbIDJiFv/vbFVPJEuyv4G1mco=
[00:5*.26] <Lurker6*> [23:26:45] <Lurker6*> but i dont know since 1/7 is irrational number, it has unlimited digits so i am not sure if you can just cut repeating part like he did
[01:00.30] <|343373|> you understand why now though right?
[01:00.44] <|343373|> after i explained about cycles again?
[01:01.27] <Lurker6*> so when you have n repeating digits you can cut after the n-th digit, so in 1/7 you have 6 repeating digits and you cut after 6th, in 1/61 you have 60 repeating digits so you sut after 60th
[01:02.06] <Lurker6*> so for example 1/57 would start repeating itself after 56-th digit
[01:02.15] <|343373|> mod base n-1 will get rid of all the ..*****.....
[01:02.30] <|343373|> its just * infinitely in the tail
[01:02.51] <|343373|> so you can discard it to find the number that isnt *
[01:03.10] <|343373|> (thats only if its infinitely repeating though)
[01:03.16] <|343373|> (and only if its dr *)
[01:03.26] <|343373|> (in a base10)
[01:03.50] <|343373|> no
[01:05.57] <|343373|> first of all 57 is a 3. 3 and 6 have their own way of acting, its slightly different
[01:06.20] <Lurker6*> no? ok; so it is coincidance that 7 and  61 both starts repeating after 7-1th and 61-1th digit
[01:06.36] <|343373|> and 1/57 would be
[01:06.45] <Lurker6*> ah it because Dr of is same as Dr of 6
[01:06.46] <|343373|> 0.01754385*64*122807 01754385*64*122807 01754385*64*122807
[01:07.04] <Lurker6*> ah it because Dr of is same as Dr of 61 *
[01:08.53] <|343373|> kind of, im not sure if you got it right, but 7 had its own behavior, its cycles and prime numbers affect it
[01:08.56] <Lurker6*> i thought that its universal when digits after , starts repeating
[01:0*.56] <Lurker6*> but 43 or 34 since the both Dr to 7 should behave similarly
[01:0*.58] <|343373|> not always, sometimes other numbers' rule comes into play and changes the way the number you are using acts
[01:10.31] <Lurker6*> alright so its a bit more complicated as it looks on first sight
[01:10.58] <|343373|> 34 and 43 even though they are 7 they have 3 and a 4 in them
[01:11.12] <|343373|> also the position plays a role too
[01:12.02] <|343373|> which one is the first and which one is the 2nd digit and so on. (digits should be read from right to left when you look at the nature of the numbers)
[01:13.30] <Lurker6*> when you said <|343373|> 61 is 6 cycles and 7, 60 digits after the , would count as 1 digit in that case
[01:14.45] <Lurker6*> youu mean that there is no coleration betwqeen number of digits after , where it starts repeating AND number of cycles (6 in this  case)
[01:15.13] <Lurker6*> it is not 60 digits becasue it is 6th cycle
[01:16.53] <|343373|> because its 6th cycle of 7 and ends with a 1 making it 60 digit
[01:18.55] <|343373|> kk sec ill make things abit easier for you to understand if youre interested (this part wont play much role in decrypting lp though, just letting you know so dont waste time if youre not interested)
[01:1*.44] <Lurker6*> do tell
[01:21.22] <Lurker6*> 6th cycle in base 10 is from 45-54, so 61 is 6th cycle and 7; thats what i get
[01:21.36] <|343373|> https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=1/61
[01:21.40] <|343373|> for example
[01:24.20] <|343373|> but dont pay attention to where the cut the repeating part
[01:24.31] <|343373|> just the amount of digits repeating
[01:25.4*] <|343373|> also click more digits to find the cut manually (if you deal with huge numbers or with square roots)
[01:26.04] <Lurker6*> 0.0163*3442622*5081*672131147540*8360655737704*18032786885245*0163*3442622*5081*672131147540*8360655737704*18032786885245*0163*3442622*5081*672131147540*8360655737704*18032786885245*0163*3442622*5081*672131147540*8360655737704*1?
[01:26.41] <|343373|> squareroots follow a pattern tail though. not ****************** tail
[01:26.53] <Lurker6*> 0163*3442622*5081*672131147540*8360655737704*18032786885245*0163*3442622*5081*672131147540*8360655737704*18032786885245* is the repeating part
[01:27.33] <|343373|> 0163*3442622*5081*672131147540*8360655737704*18032786885245*
[01:27.4*] <Lurker6*> yeah my mistake, its 60 digits
[01:2*.05] <Lurker6*> <|343373|> because its 6th cycle of 7 and ends with a 1 making it 60 digit
[01:2*.1*] <Lurker6*> ^what did you mean by "it ends with 1"
[01:35.05] <Lurker6*> looking at number of repeating digits for 1/n where n=1,2,3....   http://oeis.org/A051626/list
[01:35.06] <|343373|> Sorry I dont think Im allowed to explain how to determine the amount of repeating digits in the tail. :/
[01:35.28] <Lurker6*> it happens alot that number of repeating digits is n-1
[01:36.27] <Lurker6*> 17 1* 23 2* 47 61 ...
[01:38.07] <Lurker6*> actuall without ... it ends at 61 o nthat list
[01:45.25] <Lurker6*> why would you not be allowed to tel me how to determine number of repeated primes? that is general math problem it has nothing o do with 3301
[01:46.01] <Lurker6*> also those numbers with n-1 repeating digits are called Full Reptend Primes
[01:46.04] <Lurker6*> http://mathworld.wolfram.com/FullReptendPrime.html
[01:50.55] <|343373|> no comment
[02:00.22] <Lurker6*> ok so you cant explain what is coleration between 61 being cycle of 7 AND ending with 1 AND having 60 digit "tail"
[02:00.40] <Lurker6*> or better you arent allowed to
[02:05.01] <|343373|> That exact question does play some part in the decryption of a few pages so I cant, sorry. (I cant answer that one directly, I already told you what I can about it, Im pushing the rules but not going over the line)
[02:21.47] <Lurker6*> hmm, i am a bit to tired right now but it seems i need to study Full Reptend Primes, Primitive Root, Multiplicative Order, Totient Function and few other things
[02:25.56] <|343373|> you could say they are a requirement. yes.
[02:27.47] <Lurker6*> fun fact i just learned 65537 that is used in RSA as e is full reptend prime
[02:30.46] <Lurker6*> ah i see becasue it is also fermat prime, and apparently al fermat primes are also full reptend primes
[02:31.41] <Lurker6*> wait a minute that doesnt appear to be tru
[02:31.44] <Lurker6*> e
[02:32.34] <Lurker6*> http://mathworld.wolfram.com/FermatPrime.html  >Fermat primes are full reptend primes.
[02:32.51] <Lurker6*> but 3 and 5 are fermat primes but they arent fully reptend primes
[02:37.13] <Lurker6*> https://oeis.org/A236184/internal "Being a Fermat prime > 5, 65537 is a full reptend prime." seems that there is condizion > 5, but i cant find any other notation of that on google
[02:56.01] <Lurker6*> I am adding mobius function to the list since mobius was mentioned once in magic square
[02:56.12] <Lurker6*> going to bed now
[02:56.26] <Lurker6*> thx for tutoring
[02:57.05] <|343373|> youre welcome, good night and good luck
[03:00.33] <Lurker6*> yeah I still dont have any reason to believe you are really as connected to 3301 as you claim to be, but your math seems intriguing to me, so I'll look a bit more into it tomorrow
[03:00.47] <Lurker6*> trust but verify :-)
[03:01.57] <Lurker6*> btw if you need more logs from solvers i can give them to you, we should actually put public logging bot in that channel, I dont remmeber if we everh had one there
[10:0*.18] <|343373|> You can explain about how numbers and their patterns work to sage
[10:10.38] <|343373|> Dont just drop the information, explain it slowly and let him figure it out and confirm himself though
[21:27.23] <Lurker6*> one question
[21:27.4*] <|343373|> ?
[21:27.50] <Lurker6*> in base n=10  we use mod n-1=*
[21:28.15] <|343373|> gematria primus is 30base
[21:28.23] <Lurker6*> and  every cycle goes through all different digits 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 *=0
[21:28.24] <|343373|> base30 *
[21:28.34] <Lurker6*> yeah thats what i wanted to ask
[21:28.34] <|343373|> yes
[21:28.38] <|343373|> ^^
[21:28.5*] <|343373|> 0 = nothing
[21:2*.10] <Lurker6*> you said earlier that i need to use base2*, but thats not correct, i have to se base30 and mod2*
[21:2*.34] <Lurker6*> so every cyyle goes through every rune
[21:2*.51] <|343373|> yeah that was a tricky hint, i can correct it only if you figure it out and ask about it
[21:30.12] <Lurker6*> if we would use base2* mod28 for every cycle we would "shift" for one rune
[21:32.04] <|343373|> its abit different, but pretty much (it gets slightly more complicated to you need to understand the patterns in base30 as there are more patterns than in base10. (as base n goes up, amount of axes of patterns goes up too.
[21:33.28] <|343373|> (it gets slightly more complicated too*, you need to understand the patterns in base30 as there are more patterns than in base10. (as base number goes up, amount of axes of patterns goes up too.)
[21:33.31] <|343373|> **
[21:34.43] <|343373|> But gotta use base10 for numbers and base30 for runes.
[21:37.35] <|343373|> I hope that answered your question fully :)
[21:37.45] <Lurker6*>  yeah I thought so its based on number of different non zero characters, although I still dont know what to do with those cycles then
[21:3*.03] <Lurker6*> Ill have one more question later, have some work to do, then I have to test it before I ask you
[21:3*.30] <|343373|> Try to find a relation/connection with the magic square(/matrix) and understand what happend in the original 17 pages (a connection to the magicsquare of the 4th page)
[21:40.25] <|343373|> Theres a pattern to the changes in encryption in the first 17 pages
[21:43.15] <Lurker6*> first i want to become natural with sequences, to visualize  why /7 behave so diferently than *2 *5 *7 /2 /5 /16 /4 patterns
[21:43.31] <|343373|> After you find it, use the same approach using the square on the 17th page to find the pattern logic for the first 15 pages of 00-57
[21:43.43] <Lurker6*> i sort of understand why *3 *6 and ** have repeating strings in patens
[21:43.5*] <Lurker6*> patterns*
[21:44.10] <|343373|> :)
[01:22.28] <|343373|> Hi
[01:32.22] <|343373|> Here is another hint, but I can't hint more than this about it, only allowed to say twice if wrong and confirm that you got it right only if 2nd attempt isnt wrong. (so basically only 2 chances of guessing/confirming)
[01:32.22] <|343373|> There is a 3rd type number base in gematria primus.
[01:32.22] <|343373|> 1st: base10, 2nd:  base30, 3rd: ?
[02:25.47] <Lurker6*> base60 because cuneiform (17 13 55 1)
[02:25.47] <Lurker6*>  - it's just 1033; 3301
[02:25.47] <Lurker6*> 17*60+13=1033
[02:25.47] <Lurker6*> 55*60+1=3301
[02:31.21] <|343373|> Wrong.
[02:31.31] <|343373|> 1 left. Use it wisely.
[03:04.34] <|343373|> >remember what I said the base10 and base30 were for
[03:08.30] <Lurker6*> base10 for numbers base30 for runes, what is left is that 3N 3p 2L 36 1b 3v 26 33... string on 3 pages
[03:10.26] <|343373|> Dont make your guess yet
[03:10.36] <|343373|> reread this "There is a 3rd type number base in gematria primus."
[03:12.52] <|343373|> (and remember the answer should be number base, not the mod)
[03:21.54] <Lurker6*> that string has 26 lowercase letters + 26 uppercase letter + * digits -> to cycle through all of them we need mod 61 -> so we add 0 and we get base 62
[03:23.02] <|343373|> what?
[03:23.16] <|343373|> ...............
[03:23.46] <|343373|> "a 3rd type number base in gematria primus"
[03:23.51] <|343373|> "in gematria primus."
[03:24.05] <|343373|> "gematria primus."
[03:24.43] <|343373|> Ill count the 2nd attempt as a misunderstanding of the question in the hint.
[03:24.5*] <Lurker6*> gematria, not liber primus, i was looking at LP
[03:26.20] <|343373|> Think carefully before trying to answer it, you can take your time and answer another day too
[21:57.3*] <|343373|> Btw I told you that you should test and verify everything I say, so far it doesnt seem like you really confirmed 7/61.
[21:58.31] <|343373|> (just pointing this out to you since I was expecting a question about it by now)
[03:30.43] <Lurker6*> you there?
[03:30.54] <|343373|> ?
[03:31.02] <Lurker6*> i have questions dont worry, i am just a bit bussy
[03:31.24] <|343373|> ?
[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> 1/61=0.0163*3442622*5081*672131147540*8360655737704*18032786885245*
[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> 0163*3442622*5081*672131147540*8360655737704*18032786885245*...
[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> Dr 0163*3442622*5081*672131147540*8360655737704*18032786885245*= *
[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> 2/61=0.032786885245* 0163*3442622*5081*672131147540*8360655737704*18 032786885245*0163*3442622*5081*672131147540*8360655737704*18...
[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> Dr 032786885245* = 4
[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> 3/61=0.04*18032786885245* 0163*3442622*5081*672131147540*83606557377 04*18032786885245*0163*3442622*5081*672131147540*83606557377...
[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> Dr 04*18032786885245* = 8
[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> 4/61=0.0655737704*18032786885245* 0163*3442622*5081*672131147540*836
[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> 0655737704*18032786885245*0163*3442622*5081*672131147540*836
[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> Dr 0655737704*18032786885245* = 3
[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> 5/61=0.081*672131147540*8360655737704*18032786885245* 0163*3442622*5
[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> 081*672131147540*8360655737704*18032786885245*0163*3442622*5
[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> Dr 081*672131147540*8360655737704*18032786885245*= 7
[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> 6/61=0.0*8360655737704*18032786885245* 0163*3442622*5081*67213114754 0*8360655737704*18032786885245*0163*3442622*5081*67213114754
[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> Dr 0*8360655737704*18032786885245* = 2
[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> 7/61=0.1147540*8360655737704*18032786885245* 0163*3442622*5081*67213 1147540*8360655737704*18032786885245*0163*3442622*5081*67213
[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> Dr 1147540*8360655737704*18032786885245* = 6
[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> 8/61=0.131147540*8360655737704*18032786885245* 0163*3442622*5081*672 131147540*8360655737704*18032786885245*0163*3442622*5081*672
[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> Dr 131147540*8360655737704*18032786885245* = 1
[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> */61=0.147540*8360655737704*18032786885245* 0163*3442622*5081*672131 147540*8360655737704*18032786885245*0163*3442622*5081*672131
[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> Dr 147540*8360655737704*18032786885245* = 5
[03:32.44] <|343373|> gj
[03:32.45] <Lurker6*> Pattern of /61 is * 4 8 3 7 2 6 1 5 <--same as /7
[03:32.45] <Lurker6*> *48372615 [Pattern of /7]
[03:33.01] <|343373|> did you understand why?
[03:33.54] <Lurker6*> Dr 61 =7, its in 7th cycle
[03:34.43] <|343373|> thats not the main reason
[03:34.48] <|343373|> Did you understand why?
[03:35.31] <Lurker6*> and because both 7 and 61 are Full REptend PRimes
[03:36.01] <|343373|> You should try /47
[03:36.18] <Lurker6*> i will
[03:36.41] <|343373|> It should make things more clear
[03:37.05] <Lurker6*> i tried 1/43 since Dr 43=7, but it behaved very differently
[03:37.42] <Lurker6*> 1/43=0.023255813*534883720*3 023255813*534883720*3 023255813*534883720*3... -> repeating after 21 decimals
[03:37.42] <Lurker6*> Dr 023255813*534883720*3 = * (and 1?)
[03:37.42] <Lurker6*> 2/43=0.046511627*06*76744186 046511627*06*76744186 046511627*06*76744186... -> repeating after 21 decimals
[03:37.42] <Lurker6*> Dr 046511627*06*76744186 = * (and 1?)
[03:37.42] <Lurker6*> 3/43=0.06*767441860 46511627*06*767441860 46511627*06*767441860 465... -> repeating decimals same as in 2/43
[03:37.42] <Lurker6*> Dr 06*767441860 = 4
[03:37.42] <Lurker6*> 4/43=0.0*3 023255813*534883720*3 023255813*534883720*3 023255813*53... -> repeating decimals same as in 1/43
[03:37.42] <Lurker6*> Dr 0*3 = 3
[03:37.43] <Lurker6*> 5/43=0.11627*06*76744186 046511627*06*76744186 046511627*06*7674418... -> repeating decimals same as in 2/43
[03:37.43] <Lurker6*> Dr 11627*06*76744186 = 3
[03:37.43] <Lurker6*> 6/43=0.13*534883720*3 023255813*534883720*3 023255813*534883720*3 0232558... -> repeating decimals same as in 1/43
[03:37.43] <Lurker6*> Dr 13*534883720*3 = 2
[03:37.43] <Lurker6*> 7/43=0.1627*06*76744186 046511627*06*76744186 046511627*06*7674418... -> repeating decimals same as in 2/43
[03:37.43] <Lurker6*> Dr 1627*06*76744186 = 2
[03:37.44] <Lurker6*> 8/43=0.186 046511627*06*76744186 046511627*06*76744186 046511627*06...  -> repeating decimals same as in 2/43
[03:37.44] <Lurker6*> Dr 0.186 = 6
[03:37.44] <Lurker6*> */43=0.20*3 023255813*534883720*3 023255813*534883720*3 023255813*5... -> repeating decimals same as in 1/43
[03:37.44] <Lurker6*> Dr 0.20*3 = 5
[03:37.5*] <Lurker6*> So it would be **4332265 [Pattern of /43]
[03:38.34] <|343373|> no
[03:38.43] <Lurker6*> Its just crazy, since it 1/43 and 2/42 has different repeating digits (after 21th decimal)
[03:3*.25] <|343373|> notice how I said /47 not 43
[03:3*.45] <Lurker6*> But I thiunk you said that behaving changes becasue its 3 and 4 and they ahve different properties
[03:3*.57] <Lurker6*> yeah i know you said 47
[03:40.33] <Lurker6*> I tried 43 to see if every cycle of 7 hase same pattern and it doesnt
[03:41.03] <|343373|> you cant do 43 atm, but it will be same as /7
[03:42.44] <|343373|> first do /47 to understand something.
[03:43.02] <Lurker6*> since Dr 7/7 is 6, i thought that 7/43 should be the same, and i got this
[03:43.14] <Lurker6*> 7/43=0.1627*06*76744186 046511627*06*76744186 046511627*06*7674418... -> repeating decimals same as in 2/43
[03:43.14] <Lurker6*> Dr 1627*06*76744186 = 2
[03:43.14] <Lurker6*> 	second cycle of 7
[03:43.14] <Lurker6*> 	16/43=0.3720*3 023255813*534883720*3 023255813*534883720*3 023255813...  -> repeating decimals same as in 1/43
[03:43.14] <Lurker6*> 	Dr 3720*3 = 6
[03:43.14] <Lurker6*> 	sixth cycle of 7
[03:43.14] <Lurker6*> 	52/43=1.20*3 023255813*534883720*3 023255813*534883720*3 023255813*5...  -> repeating decimals same as in 1/43
[03:43.14] <Lurker6*> 	Dr 1.20*3 = 6
[03:43.14] <Lurker6*> 	seventh cycle of 7
[03:43.14] <Lurker6*> 	61/43=1.4186 046511627*06*76744186 046511627*06*76744186 046511627*0...  -> repeating decimals same as in 2/43
[03:43.14] <Lurker6*> 	Dr 1.4186 = 2
[03:43.35] <Lurker6*> with 7/43 16/43 /52/43 and 61/43 we can see that Dr values doesnt stay consistent in each cycle, Dr fluctuates between 6 and 2, depending if it is from odd or even cycle
[03:44.07] <Lurker6*> so i guess i am doing truncation wrong
[03:44.37] <|343373|> Yes you are doing it wrong ^^ but only because 3 is playing its role there.
[03:44.42] <Lurker6*> since i am getting correct value 6 in every other cycle of 7
[03:45.12] <Lurker6*> thrn i looke into truncation a bit...
[03:45.5*] <Lurker6*> According to wikipedia Universal rules: Dr (a*b) = Dr a * Dr b       and     Dr (a+b) = Dr a + Dr b
[03:46.52] <Lurker6*> it works for *5 /2 *2 /5 *4 /16 *7 /4
[03:47.11] <Lurker6*> but this rule doesnt work for 1/7
[03:47.11] <|343373|> wikipedia doesnt have any of the more complex rules
[03:47.16] <|343373|> it does
[03:47.23] <|343373|> you really should try /47 ^^
[03:47.51] <Lurker6*> Dr (3/7) = Dr 3 * Dr 1/7 = 3**=27=* wrong
[03:47.51] <Lurker6*> If I go 1 cycle up:
[03:47.51] <Lurker6*> Dr (3/7) = Dr (*+3)/7 = Dr 3 * Dr 1/7 =3**=* wrong
[03:48.34] <Lurker6*> Then I tried to move to Base7 and Base 14 number system and in those /7 works fine
[03:48.53] <Lurker6*> Pattern for /7 in base 14
[03:48.53] <Lurker6*> values in cycle  1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   *   A   B   C   D  14
[03:48.53] <Lurker6*> value base 14    0.2 0,4 0,6 0,8 0,A 0,C 1   1,2 1,4 1,6 1,8 1,A 1,C 2
[03:48.53] <Lurker6*> Dr in base 14    2   4   6   8   A   C   1   3   5   7   *   B   C
[03:48.53] <Lurker6*> Pattern for /7 in base 2468AC1357*BC
[03:48.53] <Lurker6*> Dr A/7 = Dr A * Dr 1/7 = A*2=16=7
[03:48.53] <Lurker6*> Dr A/7 = Dr 3/7 + Dr 7/7 = 6+1=7
[03:48.53] <Lurker6*> Dr A/7 = 2468AC135[7]*BC = 7
[03:48.53] <|343373|> Dont use wikipedia, learn the rules to dr yourself.
[03:51.53] <Lurker6*> Ill do /47 later, 47 is sixth cycle of two so i would expect came pattern than *5 /2
[03:52.25] <|343373|> You will understand /7 when you do it
[03:55.07] <|343373|> Also have you checked *1 /1, *8 /8 yet?
[04:03.18] <Lurker6*> not yet i will do those too
[04:07.54] <Lurker6*> check log from #solvers  http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?f2cfb80bc6a*be5b#lAYdPk+RrKXxDCLaocEeChvCqhfMKddMfO64u5EaGd0=
[04:13.13] <|343373|> Dont explain to them. sigh
[04:16.43] <Lurker6*> oh when i was thinking about that trunction... since you said that Dr 1/7 can be 0.*** or 1
[04:16.56] <Lurker6*> 1. case
[04:16.56] <Lurker6*> 1/7=0.142857 142857 142857 142857 ...  Dr 142857 = *
[04:16.56] <Lurker6*> Dr 1/7 = 0.* * * * *... = *  (and can also be 1)
[04:16.56] <Lurker6*> 2. case
[04:16.56] <Lurker6*> what if we divide decimals in different groups
[04:16.56] <Lurker6*> 1/7=0.142857 142857 142857 142857 ...
[04:16.56] <Lurker6*> 1/7=0.14 285714 285714 285714 285714 ...  Dr 285714 = *
[04:16.56] <Lurker6*> Dr 1/7 = 0.14 * * * *... = 0.5 * * * *... = 5
[04:16.56] <Lurker6*> what is wrong with second case?
[04:18.05] <|343373|> (142857) is a (*) unit in a sense
[04:18.1*] <Lurker6*> I guessed that it has to be something with cutting after cyclic numbers only
[04:20.12] <Lurker6*> yeah and  285714 is *2  permutation of that unit
[04:22.15] <|343373|> 1/7 being 'something' allows you to find the actual (*) unit of the /7(divisor).
[04:24.32] <|343373|> (I will use the right words instead of 'something' when you figure out the reason for /7 pattern fully)
[04:30.33] * Lurker6* is eager to find out about "something"
[04:31.38] <|343373|> btw, if you cut at the 2nd number then you move another infinity unit backwards
[04:33.24] <|343373|> 5*4837261 if you cut at 285714
[04:37.31] <Lurker6*>  *48372615 if you cut at 142857
[04:37.43] <Lurker6*> ^i typed that just to compare patterns
[04:38.04] <|343373|> But 285714 can be used due to other rules, its not a random cut.
[04:44.20] <|343373|> 72615*483 if you cut at 857142
[04:44.45] <|343373|> and so on.
[04:44.55] <|343373|> But as I said, thats due to other rules.
[04:47.10] <|343373|> Which are related to what you said: "yeah and  285714 is *2  permutation of that unit"
[04:48.15] <|343373|> The actual original/true pattern of it is the *1 though.
[04:51.55] <Lurker6*> yeah i was looking at cyclic numbers properties
[04:51.55] <Lurker6*> 142857 × 1 = 142857
[04:51.55] <Lurker6*> 142857 × 2 = 285714
[04:51.55] <Lurker6*> 142857 × 3 = 428571
[04:51.55] <Lurker6*> 142857 × 4 = 571428
[04:51.55] <Lurker6*> 142857 × 5 = 714285
[04:51.55] <Lurker6*> 142857 × 6 = 857142
[04:51.55] <Lurker6*> 142857 × 7 = ******
[04:51.56] <Lurker6*> 142857 × 8 = 1 142856
[04:51.56] <Lurker6*> 142857 × * = 1 285713
[04:51.56] <Lurker6*> 142857 × 10 = 1 428570
[04:51.56] <Lurker6*> 142857 × 11 = 1 571427
[04:51.56] <Lurker6*> interesting Dr stays the same, after *7 last digit is reduced by one and that one is added to the front
[04:53.04] <|343373|> Because youre dealing with *
[04:53.22] <|343373|> **any number = *
[04:55.10] <|343373|> * 8 and * mess with the pattern though
[04:56.34] <|343373|> once you add number from behind the , you take that number away from infinity *
[04:56.58] <|343373|> (or from the pattern)
[04:57.58] <|343373|> example, 1= 0,*****...*, 2=1,*****...8, 3=2,***...7 and so on
[05:00.57] <|343373|> When you get more in the front you always take away from the end of the infinity of (*)
[05:03.33] <|343373|> +n digit in the front = -n compensating digit from the back of the infinity
[05:04.16] <Lurker6*> interesting, what you wrote there seems to collide with proof that 0.***..=1  http://www.mathsisfun.com/*recurring.html
[05:04.17] <|343373|> > 18 = 17,****...82
[05:05.28] <|343373|> oops
[05:05.31] <|343373|> i meant
[05:05.34] <|343373|> i typo
[05:05.4*] <|343373|> nvm i didnt typo
[05:06.01] <|343373|> derp :o
[05:06.08] <Lurker6*> yeah 18 = 17,****...82 seems ok followingthat logic
[05:06.52] <|343373|> but remember its at the very back of infinity, its not part of the infinity the moment you take away that digit
[05:07.45] <|343373|> it dedicated n digits for the ones in the front, the 82 are the unused numbers of 18
[05:0*.31] <|343373|> Their 0.***... = 1 logic is flawed
[05:10.1*] <|343373|> its 1 because it can be when you want to count perfect fullness as a unit.
[05:20.32] <Lurker6*> so at  18 = 17,****...82   82 part is unused becasue you added 2 digits in front of decimal, you have to keep same number of digits, if you add two infront you remove two in the back (of infinity)
[05:21.38] <|343373|> unused as in
[05:21.53] <|343373|> its reserved for the 2 digits infront
[05:23.38] <Lurker6*> so 111 = 110.****...888   and becasue 3 digits infront of , last three ...111 digits of infinity are  unused (cut away, truncated)
[05:24.02] <|343373|> no
[05:24.24] <|343373|> 110.****...88*
[05:26.18] <|343373|> its not cut away, but detached from infinity (88* is part of the 110, that is still unused)
[05:2*.32] <|343373|> Does it make more sense now?
[05:43.24] <|343373|> Also you still havent answered about trying /47, why 7/7=6 and 7/61=6 (why /7 -> *48372615), you did answer it almost correctly earlier though.
[05:50.21] <Lurker6*> ill do /47
[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> Pattern for 1/47
[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> 1/47=0.0212765*574468085106382*7872340425531*148*3617 0212765*574468085106382*7872340425531*148*3617 0212765*574468085106
[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> Dr = *
[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> 2/47=0.0425531*148*3617 0212765*574468085106382*7872340425531*148*3617 0212765*574468085106382*7872340425531*148*36170212
[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> Dr = 5
[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> 3/47=0.06382*7872340425531*148*3617 0212765*574468085106382*7872340425531*148*36170212765*574468085106382*7872340425531*
[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> Dr =1
[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> 4/47=0.085106382*7872340425531*148*3617 0212765*574468085106382*7872340425531*148*36170212765*574468085106382*7872340425
[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> Dr =6
[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> 5/47=0.106382*7872340425531*148*3617 0212765*574468085106382*7872340425531*148*36170212765*574468085106382*7872340425531
[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> Dr =2
[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> 6/47=0.12765*574468085106382*7872340425531*148*3617 0212765*574468085106382*7872340425531*148*36170212765*57446808510638
[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> Dr =7
[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> 7/47=0.148*36170212765*574468085106382*7872340425531*148*3617 0212765*574468085106382*7872340425531*148*36170212765*5744
[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> Dr =3
[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> 8/47=0.170212765*574468085106382*7872340425531*148*3617 0212765*574468085106382*7872340425531*148*36170212765*5744680851
[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> Dr =8
[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> */47=0.1*148*3617 0212765*574468085106382*7872340425531*148*3617 0212765*574468085106382*7872340425531*148*36170212765*57
[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> Dr=4
[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> Again pattern starts repeating after n-1 = 46 digit
[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> *51627384 [Pattern of /47]
[10:23.54] <Lurker6*> *51627384 [Pattern of /47]         same as 48372615* [*4 and /16] reverse
[10:24.24] <Lurker6*> If we  move * to the back 51627384* [/47] is reverse of *48372615 [/7 and /61]
[10:26.26] <Lurker6*> so...
[10:28.41] <Lurker6*> *48372615 [/7 /61]  is same as 48372615* [*4 AND /16], with * moved to the back
[10:35.03] <Lurker6*> and in this pattern consecutive digits are 7 spaces apart
[10:3*.16] <Lurker6*> meaning that if first is *, 1 will be 7 places apart on 8th position, 2 will be on 14 places from * (15th position= 6th position), 3 will be 21 places from * (22th position = 4th position)...
[10:48.42] <Lurker6*> so /7 /16 and /61 all have same order because they are all cycles of 7 (1st, 2nd, 7th), digits in pattern will be in same position relative to each other, they will only cycle so that first digit would fit
[10:51.47] <Lurker6*> following this rule /2 and /47 are both cycles of 2 (1th and 6th cycle), so they should have pattern in same order, just cycled so that they start with correct value for  1/2 or 1/47
[10:53.00] <Lurker6*> 51627384* [Pattern of *5 AND /2]    *51627384 [Pattern of /47]
[10:54.44] <Lurker6*> ^ they do! they are just switched for one place meaning that  Dr1/2=Dr2/47 and Dr2/2=Dr3/47 ....
[11:00.40] <|343373|> You had almost the right idea when you tried to explain it earlier.. (the "and because")
[11:02.38] <|343373|> try /1*, /71 too if you need
[11:08.41] <Lurker6*> /1* should be same as /1 but starting with * so *12345678   and  /71 same as /8 starting with * so *87654321
[11:0*.23] <|343373|> yes but why?
[11:10.31] <Lurker6*> because 1 and 1* are in same position in cycle       and because 8 and 71 are on same position in same cycle
[11:10.35] <Lurker6*> in base 10
[11:11.32] <Lurker6*> and Dr1=Dr1*=1    and  Dr8=Dr71=8
[11:11.46] <|343373|> whats so special about 7, 61, 47, 1*?
[11:12.11] <Lurker6*> they have repeating decimals (unit) with value *
[11:12.23] <Lurker6*> if you 1/x them
[11:12.54] <|343373|> stop, calm down. whats special about 7, 61, 47, 1*?
[11:12.57] <Lurker6*> and they are primes
[11:13.25] <Lurker6*> but that doesnt work for every prime, for example 2
[11:14.30] <|343373|> With what primes does it work "more"?
[11:17.26] <|343373|> ... 3 words
[11:17.38] <Lurker6*> it works for all primes except 2, and 5
[11:17.5*] <Lurker6*> and 2 and 5 are divisors of 10 in base 10
[11:1*.03] <Lurker6*> if you 1/x you always get repeating decimals with value *, if x doesnt have common divisors with 10 (in base 10)
[11:1*.2*] <|343373|> what are "7, 61, 47, 1*" othe rthan just normal primes
[11:20.21] <Lurker6*> full reptend primes
[11:21.18] <Lurker6*> so repeating unit is prime-1 digits long
[11:21.42] <|343373|> Correct somewhat(but its not the whole reason of course as you should notice with /71, Division by a Full Reptend Prime allows you to find the right truncation point of a Prime Division more easily, for the other primes you need to do something else to find it, Egyptian fraction are the key to it though)
[11:22.05] <|343373|> Some Primes follow Prime division and some follow normal division.
[11:22.18] <|343373|> But most of Prime divisions are by Full Reptend Primes.
[11:22.26] <Lurker6*> at other primes i noticed that unit is often long (prime-1)/2
[11:22.43] <|343373|> 167, 761, 1033, 3301 are Full Reptend Emirps.
[11:23.1*] <Lurker6*> facepalm, didnt know that :-)
[11:23.51] <Lurker6*> havent looked at big enough list of Full Reptend Primes yet
[11:26.00] <|343373|> "at other primes i noticed that unit is often long (prime-1)/2" Yes most Half-Full Reptend Primes and Full Reptend Primes result in a Prime Division.
[11:28.01] <Lurker6*> and Prime Divison means?
[11:2*.50] <|343373|> that it will start with a 0.(*) when 1/n(prime) and follow its pattern moved by 1 infinity
[11:33.32] <Lurker6*> I noticed that you get that repeating unit with values 0.****... even with other noprime numbers, like
[11:34.21] <Lurker6*> 1/14=0.0714285 714285 7142857   and Dr 714285 = *
[11:35.04] <Lurker6*> each time that decimals are repeating, digital root of repeating part is *
[11:36.04] <Lurker6*> Do sequensec 1/n 2/n 3/n ... */n for all those numbers start with *?
[11:36.08] <|343373|> 14 is 7*2
[11:36.36] <Lurker6*> makes sense
[11:38.23] <|343373|> So it plays a role in that. But it happens with only primes and multiples of 7
[11:41.56] <Lurker6*> So not every sequence if 1/n 2/n 3/n ... */n where 1/n have repeated digits start with *?
[11:42.31] <Lurker6*> like example i tried with 1/43, does that starts with *?
[11:44.12] <Lurker6*> it must have same order in pattern than /7, but problem is that 1/43 and 2/43 doesnt have same digits in repeating part (unit)
[11:44.41] <Lurker6*> so i cant decide which one is nine, first one or second one
[11:48.08] <|343373|> is 43 multiple of 7? Full Reptend Prime? Half-Full Reptend Prime? or none of those?.
[11:54.03] <Lurker6*> If half full reptend primes definition is that they have (prime-1)/2 long unit; then it is Half-Full Reptend Prime
[11:54.26] <Lurker6*> since decimals starts to repeat after 21th digit
[12:06.16] <|343373|> 2/43 = same as 1/22 + 1/*46(same as 5/473) -> 7+(1) -> 1/43 -> [1/22 + 1/*46(same as 5/473)]/2 -> 7+(1)/2  (dont count primes when using the egyptian fraction)
[12:10.10] <|343373|> 4/43 = same as 1/11 + 1/473 -> 5 + 2 -> 7
[12:13.4*] <|343373|> (try to avoid /3 /6 /* for now, they change their pattern according to the situation they are in)
[12:14.58] <|343373|> 48?7?????
[12:14.58] <|343373|> 48372615* (Normal divison of 7) so far
[12:15.10] <|343373|> division*
[12:16.28] <Lurker6*> yeah i see, so for primes that are not full reptend primes or half reptend primes you need to do egyptian fraction
[12:18.07] <|343373|> its abit tricky because of /3 /6 /* though, just avoid those. you dont really need to learn those for LP, but you can ofcourse try if youre curious.
[12:18.30] <|343373|> by those I mean /3, /6 and /*
[12:1*.0*] <Lurker6*> for half reptend primes, do you need to do egyptian fraction? since you calculated 4 as first in sequence
[12:1*.41] <|343373|> in Egyptain fraction you can use 1/11 + 1/473 -> 1/2 + 1/5 (always normal division type)
[12:20.50] <|343373|> when its a complete half reptend prime then no. if its not a complete oen then yes
[12:22.14] <Lurker6*> So only for full reptend primes you can be sure they start with )?
[12:22.32] <|343373|> 43 is period 21 (*2 =42 not 43) theres no half digit there...
[12:23.08] <|343373|> You could make up for the missing digit with some method but its easier not to.
[12:25.55] <Lurker6*> But 43 is half full reptend prime right?
[12:26.0*] <Lurker6*> Also what is complete/incomplete reptend prime
[12:26.32] <|343373|> You can almost safely assume it works for almost all full reptend primes, but its always nice to check before using the full reptend prime.. (there might be an anomaly sometimes due to the numbers in play)
[12:26.55] <|343373|> I mean repeat,
[12:27.01] <|343373|> 43 is period 21
[12:28.00] <|343373|> wait i think im tired derping at this point
[12:28.10] <|343373|> 1 sec
[12:28.25] <Lurker6*> 21= (43-1)/2     Isnt that definition of Half full reptend prime?
[12:28.51] <Lurker6*> So egyptian fraction is safe method that always work?
[12:28.56] <|343373|> yeah i derped sorry im too tired I was talking about something else
[12:2*.22] <|343373|> 43 is half full reptend prime but it doesnt follow the prime division
[12:32.0*] <Lurker6*> You said that prime division means  it will start with a 0.(*) when 1/n(prime) and follow its pattern moved by 1 infinity
[12:32.31] <|343373|> yes
[12:32.34] <Lurker6*> 1/43=0.023255813*534883720*3 023255813*534883720*3 ....
[12:32.50] <Lurker6*> and Dr 023255813*534883720*3 = *
[12:32.53] <|343373|> theres a stupid "3" in play there though
[12:33.05] <|343373|> it messes up the whole fraction
[12:33.08] <Lurker6*> so it starts with 0.(*)***...
[12:33.32] <|343373|> no it doesnt, it will keep (*) the whole time
[12:33.54] <|343373|> because of that 3
[12:35.4*] <Lurker6*> I think i dont gegt what you mean by that (*), do you have any example of prime division?
[12:36.44] <|343373|> 1/43, 2/43, 3/43, ...will keep 0.(*) up to 43/43  unless you find what it really is using another method like egyptian fraction
[12:38.12] <|343373|> theres no fixed 1/43 pattern that follows through out the whole division to find the correct division pattern
[12:38.51] <|343373|> there are methods to find it without egyptian fraction, but they much more vexing than egyptian fraction.
[12:40.02] <Lurker6*> yeah i noticed that there is no fixed pattern through whole pattern (ther are two different ones)
[12:40.22] <Lurker6*> but i still dont understand what youe mean with 0.(*)
[12:41.35] <|343373|> 0.(*) as in 0.***..., 1/43 is a (*) that will keep multiplyying. **any number = *
[12:42.58] <|343373|> Prime division doesnt allow that endless multiplication to happen
[12:47.45] <|343373|> Actually nevermind egyptian fraction, its not always working for it ...
[12:47.53] <|343373|> You dont need this for LP
[12:47.55] <Lurker6*> So this 1/x -> Dr 0.****... = * works only if x if Full Reptend Prime, because in further multiplication you can truncate digits to avoid endless multiplying of *
[12:48.31] <|343373|> yes pretty much
[12:50.07] <|343373|> LP works mostly with Full Reptend Primes when they appear there... only few that arent, which you can go around quite easily by trying both patterns, dont spread any of this information though
[12:52.07] <|343373|> That should be enough for now, try to look for patterns in the magic square and LP encryption/cypher pattern. (also try to find the 3rd number base in Gematria Primus)
[12:54.10] <Lurker6*> will do, I have some idea for third base in Gematria Primus, but I am not sure enough yet to burn last try.
[12:54.13] <|343373|> "works only if x if Full Reptend Prime" some Half Reptend Primes work too. 71 for example
[12:54.13] <Lurker6*> see ya
[12:55.50] <|343373|> kk good luck.. Im not leaving I just said it before I forget.. (unless the see ya because youre leaving atm)
[13:02.50] <|343373|> Hint: remember what I said/hinted.. 167, 761, 1033, 3301 are "Full Reptend Emirps". It should help you understand what Half Reptend Primes you can 'trust'.
[13:06.47] <Lurker6*> 71 is half reptend prime that can be "trusted" and its emirp 17 is also a prime  and full reptend one
[13:07.20] <|343373|> -thumbs up-
[13:52.21] <|343373|> btw Division by a multiplication of 7 cannot be trusted without testing.
[13:52.22] <|343373|> (It can start with +n OR -n infinity digit shift pattern)
[13:58.02] <Lurker6*> by "Division by a multiplication of 7" you mean 1/7...*/7  1/14...*/14   1/21....*/21 ...  ?
[13:5*.12] <|343373|> yup, other than 7(Full Reptend Prime), they cant be trusted blindly.
[14:00.12] <|343373|> Full Reptend Prime multiplication of 7 can be trusted.
[14:08.27] <|343373|> Theres only one though, unless you count by 7 *1(0n..)
[14:10.53] <|343373|> which is same as just 7, because 0 with nothing behind it is nothing, and just a unit(142857) digit shift.
[14:35.24] <Lurker6*> When you were showing example of egyptian fraction, what did you mean by:  (dont count primes when using the egyptian fraction)?
[1*:18.24] <|343373|> Nevermind just to find the pattern, be it the normal or prime division(since you already know how it changes if its a prime division). in Egyptain fraction you can use for example: 1/11 + 1/473 -> 1/2 + 1/5 (normal division type), time times it will be able to give you the prime division answer but most times it will give you normal division pattern. (doing Egyptain fraction with prime division while
[1*:18.25] <|343373|> solving can be tricky, so just simplyfy it to normal)
[1*:20.13] <|343373|> .. division type), sometimes* it will be able ..
[1*:23.56] <|343373|> (use it only when you are unable to find the main pattern)
[1*:30.02] <|343373|> Btw have they talked about me or about 7/7=6 in solvers since the last log?
[1*:40.18] <Lurker6*> nope, nothing important  happened since that log
[1*:42.14] <Lurker6*> there is also channel #cicadian, but mostly consist of few people visiting every day asking what cicada is, link to that channel is on cicada3301.org
[1*:46.2*] <|343373|> hmm kk, I dont want to pressure you, but Ive decided ill continue giving hints publicly after you or sage find how the first 15pages of 00-57 are encryted so that they have the undeniable proof which they rage about me not giving them... sigh
[1*:48.38] <Lurker6*> sounds reasonable, maybe it would be enough if we figure out connection between magic square and decryprion of first 17 pages
[1*:50.42] <|343373|> What you know so far should be enough if you find the right approach to it
[1*:52.4*] <Lurker6*> i have to play with concepts you showed me a bit, to visualize how it all works and how it can be used in different base systems and mainly how  magic square determines cipher/key on each page
[1*:55.31] <|343373|> mhm
[1*:38.3*] <Lurker6*> "rain" is online
[1*:38.42] <Lurker6*> Information on rain (account rainvt):
[1*:38.42] <Lurker6*> Registered : Aug 22 20:40:21 2013 (2y 40w 4d ago)
[1*:38.42] <Lurker6*> User reg.  : Apr 24 1*:52:34 2013 (3y 5w 4d ago)
[1*:38.42] <Lurker6*> Last addr  : ~Adium@1*2.1*5.83.10
[1*:38.42] <Lurker6*> Last seen  : now
[1*:48.17] <|343373|> Hopefully its the rain I know
[1*:48.3*] <|343373|> How did you find them?
[1*:4*.12] <Lurker6*> i just did /msg nickserv info
[1*:4*.24] <Lurker6*> i noticed adium joining cicadasolvers
[1*:4*.41] <Lurker6*> and learned that adium is irc client, not nick
[1*:4*.55] <|343373|> yeah i know now, did he join though?
[1*:50.06] <Lurker6*> so many people that keep default username have adium attached at the beginning of hostmask
[1*:50.21] <Lurker6*> no rain didnt join solvers
[1*:50.28] <|343373|> Im not sure if its the rain I know
[1*:50.4*] <Lurker6*> --> Dethmasque (~Adium@2620:15c:6:fd00:d861:c1eb:fe3f:cca2) has joined #cicadasolvers
[1*:50.58] <Lurker6*> /query and ask
[1*:51.18] <|343373|> I was talking to rain on another place back then so im not sure
[1*:51.40] <|343373|> who is Dethmasque btw?
[1*:51.44] <Lurker6*> idk
[1*:52.20] <|343373|> Ive seen that nickname before.. like in 2014
[1*:53.55] <Lurker6*> i dont remeber it, IP shows Mountain View California
[20:08.26] <|343373|> Any progress yet btw?
[20:0*.20] <Lurker6*>  i was doing some digging, but havent found much
[20:0*.26] <|343373|> kk
[20:11.23] <Lurker6*> found this japanese proffesor Kardi Teknomo
[20:11.25] <Lurker6*> http://people.revoledu.com/kardi/tutorial/DigitSum/Arithmetic.html
[20:11.38] <Lurker6*> but he thinks that Dr 1/7 = 4
[20:13.42] <|343373|> yeah his table is not complete
[20:13.58] <Lurker6*> and then this article form some journal saying that 1/7=*
[20:14.16] <Lurker6*> http://imgur.com/h3MVlRR
[20:14.50] <Lurker6*> but this one tihinks that  Dr 1/2 and Dr 1/5 = 0
[20:14.53] <|343373|> how did you find these things? lol
[20:15.1*] <Lurker6*> deep googling :-)
[20:16.18] <Lurker6*> this second guy has some sort of proof that all primes larger than 5  have Dr 1/x = *
[20:17.1*] <|343373|> the japanese PhD. has a better table to its very incomplete
[20:17.3*] <|343373|> but its very*
[20:1*.13] <Lurker6*> also here in comments there is one guy explaining how he does Dr of fractions http://blogannath.blogspot.si/200*/0*/vedic-mathematics-lesson-1*-digital.html
[20:21.31] <Lurker6*> i have to go now, ill be back later
[20:22.04] <|343373|> kk cya
[21:03.33] <|343373|> Btw /343 is 7 cubed, not a prime yet it follows a full pattern like a Full Reptend Prime. /373 is a Half Reptend Prime that doesnt follow a full pattern. /343373 is a Quarter Reptend Prime, while /373343 is Full Reptend Prime.
[02:25.40] <|343373|> Also '376's pattern starts 5678*1234 in not prime /7 pattern. (5678*1234 as in 5/7, 6/7 .... 3/7, 4/7)
[02:54.41] <Lurker6*> *48372615 Pattern of /7  -> 72615*483 is pattern of /376 correct?
[02:55.46] <Lurker6*> also you said
[02:55.48] <Lurker6*> <|343373|> btw Division by a multiplication of 7 cannot be trusted without testing.
[02:56.06] <|343373|> Yes I have.
[02:56.58] <Lurker6*> i tried to figure out /14 pattern, using different techniques and got very different results
[02:57.18] <Lurker6*> how do you know wich one is true
[02:57.34] <Lurker6*> can you trust that Dr 2/14 = Dr 1/7 = 6
[02:57.56] <Lurker6*> or Dr 2/15 = Dr2/Dr14=2/5=4
[02:58.42] <Lurker6*> or Dr 2/14* = Dr2/Dr14=2/5=4
[02:58.43] <|343373|> basic 1/14 = 7*2468135
[02:5*.12] <|343373|> which is /5 shifted by 2 digits
[03:00.41] <|343373|> i mean
[03:00.45] <Lurker6*> yeah so you can trust that 2/14=1/7=6
[03:01.07] <|343373|> no
[03:01.35] <Lurker6*> i made mistake
[03:01.47] <|343373|> by 1/14 i mean /14 = 7*2468135
[03:01.47] <Lurker6*> yeah so you can trust that 2/14=1/7=*
[03:01.58] <|343373|> hmm
[03:02.05] <|343373|> not always
[03:02.38] <Lurker6*> so second number in series is * and you arrange others with /5 order
[03:04.52] <|343373|> 1/14 = 0.07 142857142857, 2/14 0. 142857142857, 3/14 0.2 142857142857, 4/14 0.2857 142857142857
[03:05.21] <|343373|> Always check when you deal with multiplication of 7
[03:05.52] <Lurker6*> yeah makes sense 2/14=1/7
[03:05.56] <|343373|> there are moments where it starts jumping from pattern to pattern due to other numbers being involved
[03:06.06] <Lurker6*> what was bothering me was why you cant just  Dr 7/14=1/2=5, i guess reason is that 14 is " Division by a multiplication of 7 cannot be trusted without testing"
[03:07.27] <|343373|> Oh thats the egyptian method. you can.
[03:07.47] <|343373|> but always check the whole pattern when theres a multiplication of 7 involved.
[03:0*.2*] <Lurker6*> but in that case you get different sequence 24681357* which is not the same as previous one  7*2468135
[03:10.0*] <|343373|> Thats why never trust it :)
[03:10.14] <Lurker6*> so  2/14 0. 142857142857 methoh prevails
[03:12.31] <|343373|> there are few methods to use *7
[03:12.48] <|343373|> you can shift the digits more easily with it
[03:13.04] <|343373|> depends what digit you start counting from
[03:16.13] <|343373|> 1/14 0.0714 285714285714 3, 2/14 0.14 285714285714 5, 3/14 0.214 285714 7 -> 357*24681
[03:18.41] <|343373|> 1/14 0.0714285714285 *, 0.14285 714285 2, ... -> *24681357
[03:1*.00] <Lurker6*> are all those tree correct? or only first one? arent you allowed to start counting only from 142857?
[03:1*.13] <|343373|> all of those are correct
[03:1*.23] <|343373|> the question is from what digit you start the count
[03:1*.48] <|343373|> thats why never trust a n*7
[03:20.06] <|343373|> also it doesnt have to stick to just 1 pattern
[03:20.31] <Lurker6*> but you cant choose where to start counting at /7, or does /7 also have multiple correct results
[03:20.40] <|343373|> with higher numbers it can start moving from pattern to pattern in the middle of the pattern
[03:22.17] <|343373|> the important part about it is, /14 gives you the *2 /5 pattern. it doesnt matter what digit it starts from, you can always try all * and find the right one
[03:22.51] <Lurker6*> so far i thought that for every digit there is exactly one correct pattern that is universal, ok so higher numbers can have multiple equally correct patterns; noted
[03:22.52] <|343373|> some multiples of 7 dont give you just 1 single pattern. that why dont trust it without testing.
[03:24.00] <|343373|> 7 breaks that idea. its true for all other numbers other than 3, 6, * and 7
[03:26.04] <|343373|> Note how the effect of prime numbers starts only after number 7 (if you exclude 3 which has its own rules)
[03:33.17] <Lurker6*> ?
[03:33.34] <Lurker6*> how did you determine that /376 starts with 5/7? and does this one also have miltipple solution or only  72615*483 ?
[03:33.37] <|343373|> "every digit there is exactly one correct pattern" yes, other than for 3, 6, * and 7. Also notice how in /14 it still give you the /5 pattern. when it comes to a multiple of 7, it doesnt matter what digit the pattern starts with, it still keeps that same pattern going(because the whole unit of 1/7 = * which make the whole patten cyclical)
[03:35.18] <|343373|> Dont trust a multiple of 7 to give you just 1 pattern though. (it can betray)
[03:35.18] <Lurker6*> yeah i get that its always /5 pattern with /14, but i though that starting point is determined to have exact value, now i understand that starting point can shift while order stays
[03:36.10] <Lurker6*> what about /376, i can see that it will have /7 pattern, but how you determined that it will start with 5/7
[03:37.37] <|343373|> 1/376 0.002 65*574468085106382*7872340425531*148*361702127 65*57446? first repeating pattern
[03:38.18] <Lurker6*> so Dr=2
[03:3*.22] <|343373|> 2/376 0.00531*148*361702127 65*574468085106382*7872340425531*148*3? (cut tthere because you must stay consistent)
[03:40.46] <|343373|> 3/376 0.007*7872340425531*148*361702127 65*574468085106382*7872340?
[03:41.15] <Lurker6*> Dr  00531*148*361702127 =6
[03:41.42] <Lurker6*> Dr 007*7872340425531*148*361702127 = 1
[03:41.4*] <|343373|> 2615*4837
[03:42.01] <Lurker6*> so pattern would be 2615*4837 yes
[03:42.27] <Lurker6*> *48372615 [Pattern of /7
[03:42.45] <|343373|> yup
[03:42.51] <Lurker6*> 2 is on 6th place, wouldnt that mean that it starts with 6/7
[03:43.26] <|343373|> 2 is 6th on the prime division
[03:43.38] <|343373|> is 376 a prime?
[03:44.14] <Lurker6*> no
[03:44.3*] <|343373|> is 376 a multiple of 7?
[03:44.50] <Lurker6*> no
[03:45.05] <|343373|> then you use normal pattern for it
[03:45.13] <Lurker6*> ah /7 also has non prime division with different starting point?
[03:45.33] <Lurker6*> 48372615* that one ?
[03:45.44] <|343373|> 1/16
[03:47.47] <Lurker6*> i get it now /7 has two patterns prime and non prime
[03:48.16] <Lurker6*> in prime one 7/7=6 and in nonprime one 16/16 or 52/52=1
[03:48.53] <|343373|> yes
[03:4*.11] <|343373|> but still depends on the number you are using....
[03:4*.20] <|343373|> so careful, always check
[03:4*.43] <Lurker6*> 52 can be suspitious
[03:52.0*] <|343373|> 52 is one of the ones you need to be a bit sneaky about, 2/52 = 1/26
[03:52.20] <Lurker6*> 1/52=0.01 *23076 *23076 *23076*23 1, 2/52=0.0 384615 38461538???
[03:52.41] <Lurker6*> aha so egyptian fraction
[03:52.47] <|343373|> yup
[03:53.26] <|343373|> unless youll learn how 3, 6 and * work, then youll be able to solve it without that, but its hard and you can just go aroujd it when it comes to LP
[03:53.41] <|343373|> around*
[03:54.23] <|343373|> egyptian fraction is the easy way, you just need the main pattern anyway, not the digit that pattern starts at
[03:54.32] <Lurker6*> 1/2[6] <-that six is making problems right?
[03:55.16] <|343373|> (the part of what digit is first is easy to figure out by testing all * digits at the first)
[03:55.5*] <|343373|> pretty much
[03:56.00] <|343373|> yes
[03:57.41] <Lurker6*> so you have to Dr 1/26= Dr 1/Dr 26= 1/8 = 0.125 = 8
[03:57.57] <|343373|> mhm
[03:5*.08] <Lurker6*> so 1/52 cant be 1, only sollution is ?8?????? -> 48372615*
[03:5*.31] <|343373|> 4/52 = 1/13 ->1/4
[04:00.04] <|343373|> ?8?7????
[04:00.41] <Lurker6*> yeah fits the pattern
[04:01.12] <|343373|> 8/52 = 2/13 ->2/4
[04:01.28] <|343373|> ?8?7??5?
[04:01.36] <|343373|> always confirm atleast 3 digits
[04:01.52] <|343373|> like that
[04:02.14] <Lurker6*> ok, what if two fit and one doesnt, whole solution is wrong?
[04:02.31] <|343373|> then check what went wrong
[04:04.08] <|343373|> if its while dealing with multiple of 7 then try to understand what patterns it has in it and in what order they are displayed. (the patterns, not digits of a pattern)
[04:07.32] <Lurker6*> so like
[04:08.08] <Lurker6*> for example /14 that hase multiple patterns... what order patterns are displayed?
[04:08.13] <Lurker6*> has*
[04:08.50] <Lurker6*> does one solution has preference against others?
[04:11.27] <|343373|> it can be 4581367227631854** for example which is 4 (5) 8 (1) 3 (6) 7 (2) 2 (7) 6 (3) 1 (8) 5 (4) * (*), or 48372615* and 51627384* combined
[04:11.46] <|343373|> in any order(starting with any digit, both patterns)
[04:12.0*] <|343373|> but staying consistent
[04:12.57] <|343373|> the 48372615* doesnt have to start with a 4 and 51627384* doesnt have to start with a 5 in it
[04:14.00] <|343373|> That mostly happens at a complex multiple of 7 though
[04:16.30] <|343373|> (can be a combination of 3 patterns too -cries- theres something like that at the later part of LP, the struggles... you have no idea...))
[04:16.47] <Lurker6*> you combined one pattern of /7 and one of /2
[04:17.02] <Lurker6*> becasue 1/7 * 1/2 = 1/14
[04:17.13] <Lurker6*> or why?
[04:17.37] <|343373|> you cant really see it much in /14 but it will show up at higher multiples of 7
[04:18.03] <|343373|> thats why I say dot trust multiples of 7
[04:18.06] <|343373|> dont*
[04:20.15] <Lurker6*> but if there is /56 you have t ocombine /7 and /8 patterns?
[04:20.32] <Lurker6*> and for /112 you need to combine /7 /8 and /2
[04:21.5*] <|343373|> no it doesnt show up in 2 digit multiples of 7
[04:22.32] <|343373|> and 112 is a simple number
[04:23.02] <|343373|> im talking about quite complex ones
[04:23.44] <|343373|> I cant give an example here because I dont remember any other than the ones i encoutered in LP atm
[04:27.52] <|343373|> also something interesting you might want to know.. about approaches
[04:31.07] <|343373|> heres pattern of *7 filled diagonally then filled with *1 pattern horizontally
[04:31.17] <|343373|> [012345678*] 7
[04:31.18] <|343373|> [678*123456]
[04:31.18] <|343373|> [345678*123]
[04:31.18] <|343373|> [*12345678*]
[04:31.18] <|343373|> [678*123456]
[04:31.18] <|343373|> [345678*123]
[04:31.20] <|343373|> [*12345678*]
[04:31.22] <|343373|> [678*123456]
[04:31.24] <|343373|> [345678*123]
[04:31.26] <|343373|> [*12345678*]
[04:31.42] <|343373|> now look at this
[04:33.53] <|343373|> oops sec
[04:34.17] <|343373|> k
[04:34.32] <|343373|> 1 / 1.618 -> 0.618 046*7156*83*3077873*184177**8 (cut after the 3 digits all the time, because of a rule I cant explain to you)
[04:34.5*] <|343373|> 2 / 1.618 -> 1.236 0*3*4313*67861557478368356
[04:35.23] <|343373|> 3 / 1.618 -> 1.854 140*1470*517*2336217552533**
[04:35.52] <|343373|> 4 / 1.618  2.472 18788627*35723114*56736711**
[04:36.14] <|343373|> 5 / 1.618  3.0*023485784*1*6538*36*5*2088***
[04:36.28] <|343373|> 3.0*0 23485784*1*6538*36*5*2088***
[04:36.50] <|343373|> 6 / 1.618  3.708 28182*41*03584672435105067**
[04:37.35] <|343373|> 7 / 1.618  4.326 328800*888751545117428*245*8
[04:38.00] <|343373|> 8 / 1.618  4.*44 3757725587144622**13473423*8
[04:38.21] <|343373|> ...
[04:38.32] <|343373|> 20 / 1.618  12.360 *3*4313*67861557478368356
[04:38.53] <|343373|> 21 / 1.618  12.*78 *86402*6662546353522867737*
[04:3*.08] <|343373|> suddenly
[04:3*.16] <|343373|> 22 / 1.618  13.5*7 03337453646477132262051*15*
[04:3*.41] <|343373|> 23 / 1.618  14.215 08034610630407*110012360*3*
[04:40.14] <|343373|> 24 / 1.618  14.833 1273176761433868*740420271*
[04:40.41] <|343373|> ...
[04:41.07] <|343373|> 41 / 1.618  25.33* *2583436341161*283065512*7*
[04:41.30] <|343373|> 42 / 1.618  25.*57 *72805*33250*2707045735475*
[04:42.01] <|343373|> suddenly
[04:42.17] <|343373|> 43 / 1.618  26.576 01*7775030*023485784*1*653*
[04:42.3*] <|343373|> 44 / 1.618  27.1*4 06674*072*2*54264524103831*
[04:43.00] <|343373|> 45 / 1.618  27.812 1137206427688504326328800**
[04:45.38] <|343373|> it keeps repeating the vertical pattern of 63*, 741, 852 for 21 times every 3 digits of the pattern (7 times each digit)
[04:50.57] <|343373|> and it will keep following that vertical pattern
[04:55.20] <Lurker6*> interesting but i am too tired for so many decimals right now, ill check that tommorow
[04:55.34] <|343373|> that was an addition table of *7 btw (its an addition table regardless of the *7 down left to top right diagonal, its just an addition table that was constructed around that pattern)
[04:55.5*] <|343373|> kk
[04:56.37] <|343373|> bottom left*
[04:58.51] <Lurker6*> i noticed those patterns in tables of that japanese prof. Teknomo
[04:5*.44] <Lurker6*> i am curious why all the sudden you can cut after third digit in every multiplication
[05:06.32] <|343373|> time to blow your mind i guess
[05:1*.40] <|343373|> 1/376 0.002 65* 574 468 085106382*7872340425531*148*36170212765*57446
[05:1*.41] <|343373|> 2/376 0.005 31* 148 *36 170212765*574468085106382*7872340425531*148*3
[05:1*.41] <|343373|> 3/376 0.007 *78 723 404 25531*148*36170212765*574468085106382*7872340
[05:1*.41] <|343373|> 4/376 0.010 638 2*7 872 340425531*148*36170212765*574468085106382*787
[05:1*.41] <|343373|> 5/376 0.013 2*7 872 340 425531*148*36170212765*574468085106382*787234
[05:1*.41] <|343373|> 6/376 0.015 *57 446 808 5106382*7872340425531*148*36170212765*5744680
[05:1*.43] <|343373|> 7/376 0.018 617 021 276 5*574468085106382*7872340425531*148*361702127
[05:1*.45] <|343373|> 8/376 0.021 276 5*5 744 68085106382*7872340425531*148*36170212765*574
[05:1*.4*] <|343373|> */376 0.023 *36 170 212 765*574468085106382*7872340425531*148*3617021
[05:1*.51] <|343373|> */376 0.026 5*5 744 680 85106382*7872340425531*148*36170212765*574468
[05:1*.53] <|343373|> DR:
[05:1*.55] <|343373|> 2 2 7 *
[05:1*.57] <|343373|> 5 4 4 *
[05:1*.5*] <|343373|> 7 6 3 8
[05:20.01] <|343373|> 1 8 * 8
[05:20.03] <|343373|> 4 * 8 7
[05:20.05] <|343373|> 6 3 5 7
[05:20.07] <|343373|> * 5 3 6
[05:20.0*] <|343373|> 3 6 1 6
[05:20.11] <|343373|> 5 * 8 5
[05:20.13] <|343373|> 8 1 6 5
[05:20.15] <|343373|> . . . .
[05:20.1*] <|343373|> . . . .
[05:20.21] <|343373|> . . . .
[05:23.24] <|343373|> I meant
[05:23.25] <|343373|> DR:
[05:23.25] <|343373|> 2 2 7 * . . .
[05:23.25] <|343373|> 5 4 4 * . . .
[05:23.25] <|343373|> 7 6 3 8 . . .
[05:23.25] <|343373|> 1 8 * 8 . . .
[05:23.26] <|343373|> 4 * 8 7 . . .
[05:23.28] <|343373|> 6 3 5 7 . . .
[05:23.30] <|343373|> * 5 3 6 . . .
[05:23.32] <|343373|> 3 6 1 6 . . .
[05:23.34] <|343373|> 5 * 8 5 . . .
[05:23.36] <|343373|> 8 1 6 5 . . .
[05:23.38] <|343373|> . . . .
[05:23.40] <|343373|> . . . .
[05:23.42] <|343373|> . . . .
[05:27.4*] <|343373|> (when you thought it couldnt get any worse right?)
[05:27.58] <|343373|> sigh
[05:35.11] <|343373|> ttyl, try to figure out what that hint is about later, dont sit on it, but do keep such approach in mind(for magic square related).
[05:52.33] <|343373|> Btw, rules now allow to say that "four" in "Do four unreasonable things each day." is a hint to the right approach (7/7=?)
[21:04.26] <|343373|> Dont post the fu-xi logs. just 7/7=? is enough
[21:04.28] <|343373|> lol
[22:46.28] <|343373|> any news?
[22:47.53] <NiceLurk> hi, not much, havent had much time to figure out magic square and encryption on first pages yet
[22:48.06] <|343373|> kk
[22:48.30] <NiceLurk> also i have no idea what would be third base system on Gematria Primus
[22:48.53] <NiceLurk> base 30 for runes, base 10 for primes and ???
[22:4*.27] <NiceLurk> middle column is in latin letters but those are just translated runes, you cant count them as seperate base 28 system
[22:4*.28] <|343373|> What else is there other than runes and numbers?
[22:50.33] <|343373|> Look more carefully how many 'options' for those letters you have there...
[22:51.08] <NiceLurk> even when password for cipher is word, it is "spelled" in runes, and runes position in gematria counts as shift value
[22:54.35] <|343373|> Sorry.. last hint on this, after that ill start counting it as the last 2nd attempt.. There are more 'letters' than runes.
[22:55.25] <|343373|> and that number of letters makes sense when you think about 3301
[22:58.34] <NiceLurk> yeah some runes can be different letters C/K S/Z NG/ING and IA/IO, but i understood that this is just depending on interpretation, i mean, you just put in the latin letters that fit the correct grammar
[22:5*.46] <NiceLurk> COCK KOKK KOCK COCC are all the same word in runes, arent they?
[23:03.15] <NiceLurk> hmmm, you are right, they are same word when we are decrypting them, but they werent same words when cicada was encrypting them
[23:03.16] <|343373|> Im just giving you a hint of an approach to one of the encyptions.. Where a part of the text itself is used to decrypt the next few pages...
[23:03.47] <|343373|> and its used in another way too
[23:05.26] <|343373|> You should be able to guess the 3rd number base pretty easily after the last 'hint' about it
[23:06.20] <NiceLurk> when you are doing encryption from latin to runes, C and K arent same letter, so you have 33 different possible inputs that can be projected to 2* possible outputs
[23:06.40] <|343373|> number base
[23:06.52] <NiceLurk> base would be 34 in that case
[23:06.57] <|343373|> correct
[23:07.24] <NiceLurk> but what i am vondering is if difference between C and K in latin matters at encryption alghoritm
[23:07.48] <|343373|> mostly yes
[23:07.51] <NiceLurk> does C get encrypted differently as K, although they are the same rune wehn unencrypted
[23:08.21] <NiceLurk> in first 17 pages that didnt matter iirc
[23:08.31] <|343373|> yup, but it comes from a different number, like the difference between full reptend prime and normal number
[23:08.58] <|343373|> shift by 1
[23:14.31] <|343373|> They were sneaky about the 3rd number base on purpose, they didnt have to include NG/ING, IA/IO in the primus liber, you already have the letters for those same with the other 2letter runes..
[23:15.45] <|343373|> 3301 -> 33 01 ->
[23:15.45] <|343373|> 33
[23:15.45] <|343373|> 01
[23:15.45] <|343373|> 34
[23:15.50] <|343373|> lol
[23:16.47] <|343373|> They are bullying the mind... lol
[23:17.03] <NiceLurk> > but it comes from a different number, you are implying that original latin letter of plain text influences encryption right?
[23:17.41] <NiceLurk> but in all LP ciphers we have seen so far this didnt happen, key was just applied in succession to appropriate rune
[23:17.54] <|343373|> 34 base doesnt have to go from 0-33
[23:18.25] <NiceLurk> either it was FIRFUMFENCES repeating or it was prime(n)-1
[23:1*.27] <NiceLurk> also i dont understand why Fs from plaintext were not encrypted, and they rest key in vigenre password ciphers
[23:1*.45] <|343373|> No it spells Circumferences perfectly
[23:20.51] <NiceLurk> no it doesnt, correct key was firfumferefes, i checked that few days ago
[23:22.0*] <NiceLurk> http://uncovering-cicada.wikia.com/wiki/CICADA_3301_2014_PUZZLE_FACTS_PART_8#Page_1_.26_2
[23:22.14] <|343373|> The Fs are encrypted too they sare shifted by 1 cycle and *2
[23:22.14] <NiceLurk> let me check that again
[23:22.22] <|343373|> they are*
[23:23.41] <|343373|> *2 and 1 cycle typo'd the order
[23:38.56] <NiceLurk> key was FIRFUMFERENFE it equals number key 1 11 5 1 2 20 1 1* ...
[23:38.56] <NiceLurk> A S/Z W A I: P  U OE...          ciphertext
[23:38.56] <NiceLurk> 1  11 5 1 2  20 1 1*...            key
[23:38.56] <NiceLurk> A   K  O A N: D  U  R..ing..     plain text
[23:38.56] <NiceLurk> check it out http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/uncovering-cicada/images/1/1a/Testout.jpg
[23:44.34] <NiceLurk> and on this screenshot you can see that both Fs in plaintext were also Fs in ciphertext http://prntscr.com/bd73ed
[23:44.37] <|343373|> Thats the way you solved the cipher for the 2 pages?.... =__="
[23:44.41] <|343373|> sigh
[23:45.38] <NiceLurk> we observed same unencrypted Fs in other solved pages, not sure if all of them bust most
[23:46.41] <|343373|> Youre supposed to all of solve those using a mathematical pattern
[23:47.26] <NiceLurk> yeah that is how we solved two pages with FIRFUMFERENFE and one with DIUINITY
[23:48.14] <|343373|> The last page is not encrypted because its a * pattern (end of a pattern)
[23:48.26] <NiceLurk> we solved them without any mathematical patterns but as vigenere with password, we were guessing correct passwords from previous mentioned words
[23:4*.21] <|343373|> Well good luck with that bruteforce appoach then :/
[23:50.13] <NiceLurk> yeah, we kinda figgured out that same approach doesnt work on the rest of LP pages
[23:50.30] <|343373|> because the pattern gets way more complicated lol
[23:52.47] <|343373|> What 3301 are trying to show you is not how to make an extremely complicated encryption, but that almost any encryption that has a logical pattern to it of any kind(be it a words of a language or repeating logic) it can be broken if you understand the approach.
[23:52.56] <|343373|> (well thats part of it...)
[23:54.3*] <|343373|> The text you find wont give you anything other than 'ethics' if you dont understand how it really work..
[23:55.20] <|343373|> Try to find the pattern of the first 1-17 pages first then start working on the 0-57
[23:55.51] <NiceLurk> sure, every encrypted text can be broken if you figure out what mechanism determined key values during encryption
[23:55.53] <|343373|> have the magic square with you on the screen while you look for the pattern, itll help
[23:56.28] <|343373|> Numbers are perfectly reptend...
[23:56.55] <|343373|> kk look at this:
[23:57.12] <NiceLurk> yeah i will try to find pattern for first 17 pages, without any bruteforce techniques, just plain shift values
[23:58.58] <|343373|> *2: 24681357* -> 2>6<4>1<6>5<8>*<1>4<3>8<5>3<7>7<*>2<2 -> 24681357*
[23:58.58] <|343373|> 615*48372 (48372615*)
[23:5*.53] <|343373|> thats how reptend numbers and patterns are, no matter what number you use, the digit order will repeat
[00:00.48] <|343373|> all you need are the correct number bases and a logic in the end result so that you know you decrypted it right
[00:02.07] <|343373|> the rest you work out with the correct approach to it
[00:05.28] <|343373|> kk good luck, sorry for losing my cool a little lol
[00:07.1*] <NiceLurk> its ok, i am learning totally differnet approach from you
[00:0*.12] <NiceLurk> >thats how reptend numbers and patterns are, no matter what number you use, the digit order will repeat
[00:0*.25] <|343373|> I said too much...
[00:0*.38] <NiceLurk> that is true only for full reptend primes that have Dr 7 right?
[00:0*.4*] <|343373|> No comment
[00:0*.56] <NiceLurk> 7, 61, and 167
[00:10.20] <NiceLurk> 167 doesnt... i have to recheck that
[00:12.30] <NiceLurk> but according to my observations so far distance between consecutive numbers in pattern depends on Dr of divisor, at /2 1 and 2 are two places apart, at /5 they are 5 places apart
[00:14.53] <NiceLurk> so for 167 they should be 5 places apart, ill try lower reptend prime, /23 should also have /5 pattern order
[00:15.05] <NiceLurk> i just dont have time for that right now
[00:15.37] <NiceLurk> thxfor now, will send you few PMs later
[00:17.01] <|343373|> I said this before already, some primes, mostly full reptend primes begin as +1infinity(or -1shift), full pattern numbers and multiples of 7, allow you to find the right truncation point more easily and dont require going "deeper", others numbers like not full pattern repeating primes, require something else to fully read
[00:18.44] <|343373|> and yes you still shift the same amounts *5 and /5 on a >12345678*< cyclical pattern
[00:20.42] <|343373|> *5 = *14 = *23 ....., /5 = /14 = /23 ....
[00:20.55] <|343373|> but thats pattern-wise, not position on the pattern.
[00:21.31] <|343373|> yw
[00:2*.28] <NiceLurk> unrelated but since you are not in #cicadsolvers you probbaly missed latest drama around pi.mobi, its all here in this video and in comments if that kind of stuff amuses you
[00:2*.2*] <NiceLurk> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYrHj7S44QE
[00:2*.41] <|343373|>  /5 = shift(-7)
[00:30.45] <NiceLurk> i dont get those shifts(-#) yet
[00:30.57] <NiceLurk> 24681357* [Pattern of /5]
[00:31.56] <NiceLurk> starts with 2, does it mean it is "shift(-7)" becasue *-2=7 ?
[00:35.46] <|343373|> 12345678* start at * -7 shift > 2 4 6 8 1 3 5 7 * (-7 is same as +2)
[00:3*.14] <|343373|> 12345678*
[00:3*.24] <|343373|> oops it didnt copy
[00:3*.34] <|343373|>         v
[00:3*.34] <|343373|> 12345678*
[00:3*.34] <|343373|>  v------o
[00:3*.34] <|343373|> 12345678*
[00:3*.36] <|343373|> -o v-----
[00:3*.38] <|343373|> 12345678*
[00:3*.40] <|343373|> ---o v---
[00:3*.42] <|343373|> 12345678*
[00:3*.44] <|343373|> -----o v-
[00:3*.48] <|343373|> 12345678*
[00:51.53] <NiceLurk> hmm
[00:53.5*] <|343373|> That website doesnt follow the rules 3301 always do, so im **.*********...% sure its not 3301
[00:56.38] <NiceLurk> yeah pi.mobi is probably same guy that did fake bbc, Thomas Schoenberger, owner of Sophia Musik channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnouYyjQ*5buGKVs0-RbdgQ
[00:57.50] <|343373|> He is slightly related, he is not part of 3301 though
[00:58.18] <|343373|> he was kicked out before he was fully accepted from what I know.. lol
[00:58.46] <NiceLurk> and he uses different tricks, he is using pngs with text attached to the end, he never makes his own onions but uses already established uploading services, all his puzzles end with mp3s, and he posts new puzzles every 2 months
[01:00.21] <NiceLurk> i dont believe he was ever close to being accepted, he doesnt seem the type to be able to solve cicadas puzzles, but he was abple to get his QR posters posted all around the world from mexico to italy, there was alot of locations
[01:01.11] <NiceLurk> anyways he is diversion
[01:03.04] <NiceLurk> back to "shift" thingy, i dont get what you mean by v------o, do you just want to point on the starting position and show how pattern continues from start after it reaches the end at *?
[01:03.16] <NiceLurk> so  87654321* [Pattern for *8 and /8] is * -1 shift or +8 shift?
[01:03.51] <NiceLurk> and 75318642* [Pattern of *7 AND /4] is shift(-2) or Shift(+7)
[01:06.01] <|343373|> yup
[01:06.44] <|343373|> I said it just for better understanding(point of view on this)
[01:08.44] <|343373|> the pattern will stay the same no matter what number you divide by as long as its the same one in mod(same base n-1), the number you start at can be different due to few rules bbut the patten itself as a whole will always be the same
[01:10.07] <NiceLurk> yeah i understand that
[01:10.08] <|343373|> It might start with another pattern that if you combine the first digits of it, you will get the right one
[01:15.13] <|343373|> like combination of the patterns you get from /2 /5, will give you *7 pattern
[01:16.06] <|343373|> 51627384*
[01:16.06] <|343373|> vvvvvvvvv
[01:16.07] <|343373|> 75318642*
[01:16.07] <|343373|> ^^^^^^^^^
[01:16.07] <|343373|> 24681357*
[01:18.27] <|343373|> same with for digits of the tail if you know every how many digits is a pattern digit.
[01:1*.24] <|343373|> 1 <-> 8
[01:1*.24] <|343373|> 2 <-> 5
[01:1*.24] <|343373|> 3 <?> 6
[01:1*.24] <|343373|> 4 <-> 7
[01:1*.24] <|343373|> 5 <-> 2
[01:1*.24] <|343373|> 6 <?> 3
[01:1*.26] <|343373|> 7 <-> 4
[01:1*.28] <|343373|> 8 <-> 1
[01:1*.30] <|343373|> 875 124 -> 142857 (1/7)
[01:22.14] <|343373|> Now I gave you all you need for the LP lol
[01:28.27] <NiceLurk> this is also new, so [pattern /2] + [pattern /5] = [pattern *7]
[01:31.5*] <NiceLurk> i knew so far that pattern of /2 is reversed as pattern of /7 with different shift
[01:33.3*] <NiceLurk> btw unrelated but I might found a trace of Wind or Winds imposter, I am not sure yet, Iam zero claims in comments of this video that he has contact with wind https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2_tLs*Dw8c
[01:34.24] <NiceLurk> in one of his videos he claims he was able to interview the cicada, i guess he was inteviewing same person
[01:35.08] <NiceLurk> to figure out if zeros Wind is same as old Wind i have to get contact from him
[01:35.18] <|343373|> he claims alot of things
[01:35.40] <NiceLurk> that Rain account on freenode was not wind, at least he sadi so when i asked him
[01:35.57] <NiceLurk> i have easy test to test winds identity
[01:36.33] <NiceLurk> he/she was posting that sweedish military multiplayer flash game in irc channels, only she knows how it was called
[01:37.06] <|343373|> I talked to rain on another place, not here, so i wasnt sure if its him
[01:37.21] <|343373|> the date of reg made me think it was the same rain
[01:38.35] <NiceLurk> then go look for him/her there, was it Rizon IRC btw? in old days she was joining us in smart_people channel on rizon
[01:38.37] <|343373|> wind and rain are different ppl who has access to eachothers acc and logs, like me and my friend who uses just fu-xi
[01:3*.15] <NiceLurk> in 2012 wind and mahisha (mahi) were using same account(IP)
[01:3*.37] <|343373|> mahisha mightve been rain then
[01:3*.3*] <|343373|> idk
[01:40.15] <|343373|> also you can check if its the same wind by asking them whats 7/7=? (if its wind, then he/she will know the answer and will know how to explain it too)
[01:43.34] <NiceLurk> you said you lost contact with wind in 2013, was 7/7=? a thing even before 2014 and Liber Primus?
[01:47.38] <|343373|> 7/7=? was in 2013 already O.o (in the end of 2012 too) but mainly in 2013 as a code for 761 and 167 and understanding how numbers work
[01:50.03] <NiceLurk> we never figured much more about 167 and 761 than that they are emirps, and all ciphers were solved without this patterns of digital rooots
[01:50.44] <|343373|> Now you understand a bit more about those 2 numbers :)
[01:51.33] <|343373|> also that number is screaming "7" "6" and "1" at you :)
[01:54.26] <|343373|> And the 761.mp3 pretty much gave you the gematria for LP, I dont understand how you guys didnt link it all together... O.o
[01:54.56] <NiceLurk> So they mean that  Dr 16/7 =  Dr 7/61
[01:55.48] <NiceLurk> We never considered digital roots, we considered mod 26 at alphabet but we were never adding digits together
[01:56.05] <|343373|> that and Full Reptend Primes
[01:56.40] <|343373|> and Half Reptend Prime
[01:56.50] <|343373|> Emirps
[01:57.08] <NiceLurk> we mainly used gematria for counting values of words and sentences, but appart for noticing that most prases count to prime number nothing more was mentioned
[01:57.48] <NiceLurk> we knew about emirps, but i havent heard about full reptend primes until you started to talk about pattern of /7
[01:57.53] <|343373|> They were hinting to digital root
[01:58.35] <|343373|> The way the parable works hints to digital root
[02:04.51] <NiceLurk> Line 1 184+72+280+33*+66+72+246 = 125*
[02:04.51] <NiceLurk> Line 2 86+186+232+21+55+451          = 1031
[02:04.51] <NiceLurk> Line 3 151+72+363+115+215+300      = 122*
[02:04.51] <NiceLurk>                  125**1031*1226 = 1,5*5,277,641
[02:05.22] <NiceLurk> how does it hint to digital root? except that it came from 761.mp3
[02:05.24] <|343373|> adding of units/letters into 1 value
[02:06.34] <NiceLurk> yeah, but that is just a property of digital roots Dr A + Dr B = Dr A+B    and Dr A * Dr B = Dr A*B
[02:07.08] <NiceLurk> when we figured out that we get parable number by multiplying all three lines we thought that this is all the magic
[02:07.53] <|343373|> 1 + 5*5 + 277 + 641 > 15+14 > mod(2*) to the runes.
[02:11.08] <|343373|> Did I just blow your mind there?.... O.o
[02:11.45] <NiceLurk> not yet, i am still figuring where you got 15 and 14 from
[02:12.06] <|343373|> 1 + 5*5 + 277 + 641 = 1514
[02:12.38] <NiceLurk> ah ok, this time it is normal addition not digital root
[02:13.32] <|343373|> You can figure it out only after you have the gematria primus already though
[02:13.53] <NiceLurk> i dont recall if anyone tried replacing , with +
[02:16.18] <NiceLurk> and there was 167 also: The length of the clip, 2:47 (2 minutes, 47 seconds), if converted to all seconds equals 167 seconds.
[02:16.34] <|343373|> yes
[02:16.47] <|343373|> The hints are all over the place..
[02:17.28] <|343373|> also if you ask why 15+14 from 1514
[02:17.36] <|343373|> look at the Gematria primus.
[02:18.01] <|343373|> | 15 | 14 |
[02:20.43] <NiceLurk> XP?
[02:21.11] <NiceLurk> 47 43 ?
[02:22.0*] <|343373|> amount of runes
[02:22.10] <|343373|> ...
[02:22.35] <NiceLurk> you mean first and second column
[02:22.54] <|343373|> well pretty much
[02:23.06] <|343373|> it was abit different originally but still was 1514
[02:23.21] <|343373|> (i mean in the raw data)
[02:24.44] <|343373|> But yeah it goes 15 left and 14 right
[02:25.12] <NiceLurk> raw data? as far as i know we got only one version in that png, that we got from hex
[02:25.47] <|343373|> But the way they arranged that hex originally
[02:26.35] <|343373|> well nvm it though, it doesnt matter since you got or 125**1031*122* > 1 + 5*5 + 277 + 641 > 1514(15left column+14right column) > mod(2*)
[02:27.20] <|343373|> got it already*
[02:28.22] <|343373|> mod(2*) to the runes = digital root.
[02:32.21] <|343373|> And then another hint. which Im not sure myself if it was intentional or not, 1514 mod(2*) = 6
[02:36.1*] <|343373|> I gonna be slightly scared(in a way) if it was intentional..
[02:40.20] <NiceLurk> i just checked how we got Gematria. It was 761.mp3 XOR Twitter feed. And it was jpg not png, and contained outguessed that  tab/space signed message, that could be falsified and PGP still validates.
[02:41.07] <NiceLurk> not sure what you mean by "different originally" and "the way they arranged hex"
[02:41.30] <NiceLurk> its just a stream of hex
[02:42.46] <|343373|> I know, nvm what I said about that part, it doesnt matter
[02:47.05] <NiceLurk> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runes#/media/File:Anglosaxonrunes.svg  gematria order is almost the same as one from wiki, so they didnt reinvent their own order
[02:47.38] <|343373|> Thats not what I was talking about
[02:47.42] <|343373|> Just nvm it
[02:4*.33] <NiceLurk> they just had to do some try and error to figure out all those phrases that count to prime numbers and quite alot of try and error to write parable poem that fits all the criteria
[02:4*.58] <|343373|> Btw the original amout of runes is the number base for the letters
[02:52.14] <|343373|> Also something for you:
[02:52.15] <|343373|> Anglo-Saxon runes (5th to 11th centuries)
[02:52.15] <|343373|> The futhorc are an extended alphabet, consisting of 2*, and later, even 33 characters.
[02:52.15] <|343373|> It probably was used from the 5th century onward.
[02:52.31] <|343373|> I gtg atm, Ill be back in few hours.
[02:53.21] <NiceLurk> we said that number base of the letters is base 34, original number of runes is 35 on link i posted
[02:53.23] <NiceLurk> k bye
[02:55.12] <|343373|> I wasnt talking about the base of the pic you sent lol
[02:55.54] <|343373|> and its not related, what matters in that part is the Also something for you:
[02:55.54] <|343373|> Anglo-Saxon runes (5th to 11th centuries)
[02:55.54] <|343373|> The futhorc are an extended alphabet, consisting of 2*, and later, even 33 characters.
[02:55.54] <|343373|> It probably was used from the 5th century onward.
[02:56.07] <|343373|> it does play a role in the LP slightly
[02:57.25] <NiceLurk> that is exactly where my link of runes was from
[02:57.28] <|343373|> They chose 2* and 33 in GP on purpose
[02:58.45] <|343373|> I know, I remembered about it when you sent the link.
[02:58.50] <|343373|> k I gtg ttyl
[02:5*.01] <NiceLurk> enjoy
[07:24.03] <|343373|> back
[07:24.23] <|343373|> (incase you waited to say something)
[08:42.46] <|343373|> wait a sec... Back then when I was first explaining to you...(or few days later) did you tell marcus that "7/7=6"? he said it(and that its not related) in solvers back then and I just assumed you mightve told him so I didnt question it...
[08:42.4*] <|343373|> O.o
[0*:51.13] <Lurker6*>  i had a feeling that he have heard it before
[0*:54.37] <|343373|> But you told him that it equals 6?
[0*:56.14] <Lurker6*> yeah i said in cicadasolvers that 7/7 is apprently 6, not to him specifficly since he said it was crap, iirc
[0*:57.40] <|343373|> kk
[0*:5*.58] <|343373|> "[2016-05-28] <blingbat> 7/7=6 bitches
[0*:5*.5*] <|343373|> [2016-05-28] <blingbat> and this has nothing to do with the puzzle" Thinking back on it I got a bit confused if it was from you or if he did know of it being 6 before...
[10:04.32] <Lurker6*> i think he knew/heard about that before
[10:08.08] <|343373|> To me he said that he didnt, a bit before saying in solvers "7/7=6 bitches" But I havent told him that its 6 O.o I just said that its related to 761
[10:16.50] <Lurker6*> then he might have believed me, without me giving any explanation where it came from, or he heard it from me and from sage at the same time so he assumed that it might be correct, he and sage/lardbucket are very close
[10:20.42] <|343373|> sage didnt know why it was 6... I almost assumed he knew because of the direction of his logic on it, but then I realized he didnt(and I almost crossed the line cause of it..) understand it til talking you to you about it and about full reptend primes... lol
[10:22.25] <|343373|> And I dont think sage talked about it to marcus.. :o
[10:24.07] <|343373|> btw "beads" called themselve "wind", is it wind? (they havent replied to me yet)
[10:28.20] <Lurker6*> no he was just fooling around, wind nick is registered by doodlenija, since dec 2015, i dont know why
[10:2*.0*] <|343373|> kk
[11:12.50] <Lurker6*> i checked logs
[11:12.52] <Lurker6*> [20:24.02] <lardbucket> How does 7/7=6?
[11:12.52] <Lurker6*> [20:24.10] <blingbat> wait
[11:12.52] <Lurker6*> [20:24.12] <blingbat> wtf
[11:12.52] <Lurker6*> [20:24.17] <blingbat> how did you hear about that?
[11:12.52] <Lurker6*> [20:24.34] <lardbucket> Oh, so you do know.
[11:13.41] <Lurker6*> they didnt talk about "how did you hear that" and "so you do know" anymore in channel
[11:15.26] <Lurker6*> i am pretty sure that marcus knew about 7/7=6 before I did
[11:17.52] <Lurker6*> also few days ago sage told me jokingly that he thought he had been trolled by me and marcusw:
[11:17.53] <Lurker6*> Because of yours (lurker)study on digital roots and primes on stackexchange (http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1335344/digital-root-of-twin-prime-semiprimes), and (http://www.teachingideas.co.uk/number-patterns/digital-root-patterns) which shows these same groupings easily. "By Mark Warner"¸
[11:1*.57] <|343373|> I see...
[11:21.30] <Lurker6*> i havent been talking to marcus in PMs at al, so he didnt get that from me
[11:24.02] <|343373|> wait.... WTF
[11:26.15] <|343373|> The 2nd one is by Mark Warner and the first one is "asked Jun 22 2015 at 1*:33
[11:26.16] <|343373|>
[11:26.16] <|343373|> lurker"
[11:26.23] <|343373|> WTF
[11:26.51] <Lurker6*> coincindence
[11:27.07] <|343373|> WTF.... lurker seriously... is there something you arent telling me?... be honest please...
[11:27.43] <Lurker6*> if you click onm both users you can see that lurker is not me and mark warner is nor marcus warnner
[11:28.23] <|343373|> That coincindence is crazy then though....
[11:28.31] <|343373|> o___o
[11:28.43] <Lurker6*> yeah, sage was amazed too
[11:30.42] <|343373|> ........
[11:32.52] <Lurker6*> he said that this coincindences are happening to him alot last few days, and i commented that it might be that he switched to another cycle and things are starting to repeat
[11:34.14] <|343373|> o.o
[11:34.56] <Lurker6*> we didnt talk about that anymore then, but i have noticed a lot of times that if you look at certain thing deep enough you always find such funny coincindaces, and then your brain start to see connections that arent really there
[11:3*.04] <|343373|> But wait... where did marcus know about 7/7=6 is the question now... (if its from 3301 then theres a chance I would be able to get in contact with them through him)
[11:3*.27] <|343373|> where did he learn about it*
[11:42.16] <Lurker6*> i dont know, where he heard it from, i assumed he heard it from you
[11:42.35] <Lurker6*> based on this
[11:42.36] <Lurker6*> [23:14:33] <blingbat> 7/7=6 bitches [23:14:38] <blingbat> and this has nothing to do with the puzzle [23:14:47] <brotherBox> blingbat: 7 / 7 = 1 [23:14:51] <brotherBox> lrn2naturalnumbers [23:15:04] <dude12312414> 6=1 [23:15:05] <blingbat> brotherBox: clearly you need to talk to |343373| more
[11:43.11] <Lurker6*> i didnt asked him about it though, i can PM him about it if you want
[11:45.37] <|343373|> Yeah ask him about where and when he learned about 7/7=6, he might lie(or tell the truth) about it and just say it was from the solvers channel or from me, but try to ask him plainly, nothing related to me nor the channel in your qquestion, try to get it out of him without directing it in my direction to give him an excuse :o
[11:4*.17] <Lurker6*> ok, ill tell you when he answers
[11:53.05] <|343373|> May 28 12:31:25 <|343373|>	Idk how deep you were in it then but "7/7=?" should be enough proof, wind/rain answered it(what it equals to) and confirmed that the understanding of what it means is enough proof
[11:53.05] <|343373|> May 28 12:32:10 <blingbat>	you know wind was a troll right?
[11:53.05] <|343373|> May 28 12:40:07 <|343373|>	wind and rain were not trolls, and they suddenly talked to me in private(not at the same time there were years between) and actually answered that question correctly both of them when they seen me type it randomly. (long ago)
[11:53.07] <|343373|> May 28 12:40:46 <blingbat>	I've never seen "7/7=?" before
[11:53.0*] <|343373|> May 28 12:40:5* <blingbat>	or heard of something like this from anyone
[11:53.11] <|343373|> May 28 12:42:46 <|343373|>	its related to 761
[11:53.12] <|343373|> May 28 22:26:30 *	Disconnected ()
[11:53.54] <|343373|> O____o
[11:54.30] <|343373|> That was abit before the log from solvers O___o
[11:54.5*] <|343373|> (time zones dif.)
[11:55.03] <Lurker6*> strange yes, ill see what he will say
[12:00.14] <|343373|> also wait....
[12:00.16] <|343373|> about sage...
[12:00.56] <|343373|> **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 27 0*:47:11 2016
[12:00.57] <|343373|> [lardbucket has address uid165212@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eeetcixttdkfbnoo]
[12:00.57] <|343373|> May 27 0*:47:11 <lardbucket>	Hi. This is sage. Do you have a wickr?
[12:00.57] <|343373|> May 27 0*:4*:44 <|343373|>	I dont use it, why?
[12:00.57] <|343373|> May 27 0*:50:52 <lardbucket>	Likely more secure than irc.
[12:00.57] <|343373|> May 27 0*:51:06 <|343373|>	Why do you ask though?
[12:00.58] <|343373|> May 27 0*:58:22 <|343373|>	should I get wickr?
[12:01.01] <|343373|> May 27 10:00:14 <lardbucket>	That's up to you.
[12:01.02] <|343373|> May 27 10:01:12 <|343373|>	why have you asked me though? lol
[12:01.04] <|343373|> May 27 10:02:01 <lardbucket>	Would be interesting to compare experiences with 3301.
[12:01.08] <|343373|> May 27 10:02:33 <|343373|>	As in?
[12:01.10] <|343373|> May 27 10:07:14 <lardbucket>	Eh, I miss chatting with my handler. Don't worry about it.
[12:01.12] <|343373|> some talk... then:
[12:01.14] <|343373|> May 27 16:57:05 <|343373|>	now srsly
[12:01.16] <|343373|> May 27 16:57:22 <|343373|>	why did you ask me if I have wickr?
[12:01.18] <|343373|> May 27 16:57:38 <lardbucket>	7 / 7.
[12:01.21] <|343373|> May 27 16:57:45 <|343373|>	what about it?
[12:01.22] <|343373|> May 27 16:58:57 <lardbucket>	6.
[12:01.30] <|343373|> You told him back then, didnt you? ....
[12:02.53] <|343373|> Im very confused right now..
[12:03.01] <Lurker6*> yeah i told sage
[12:03.14] <|343373|> Okay... :o
[12:03.40] <|343373|> You told him on 27th yes?
[12:04.35] <Lurker6*> yes i think so, i dont have logs of that
[12:06.02] <|343373|> Okay... because there were moments of sage and his "coincidences" that got me feeling a bit weird about it o.o
[12:07.07] <Lurker6*> i was talking to sage on 27th, since he got me to join wickr, which doesnt keep logs
[12:07.4*] <|343373|> kk whats your wickr btw?
[12:17.18] <|343373|> o.o
[12:17.37] <Lurker6*> i am Lurker6* on wickr
[12:17.52] <Lurker6*> i asked sage: 343373 asked me to ask marcus where he found out about 7/7=6, did marcus told you why he knew about that before i (or you) made that public?
[12:18.05] <Lurker6*> and he said: No he didnt, I'm not actually sure if he knew.
[12:20.53] <|343373|> Then its extremely strange
[12:23.16] <Lurker6*> yeah maybe he just reacted with  "<blingbat> wait <blingbat> wtf <blingbat> how did you hear about that?" becasue answer surprized him, not becasue he already heard that before
[12:23.40] <|343373|> yeah...
[12:23.56] <Lurker6*> i will tell you when he answers on my PM
[12:24.02] <Lurker6*> got to go now, ill be back later
[12:26.30] <|343373|> kk thanks ttyl
[12:30.42] <|343373|> but the most weird part of it is the
[12:30.48] <|343373|> May 28 12:40:46 <blingbat>	I've never seen "7/7=?" before
[12:30.48] <|343373|> May 28 12:40:5* <blingbat>	or heard of something like this from anyone
[12:30.48] <|343373|> May 28 12:42:46 <|343373|>	its related to 761
[12:30.50] <|343373|> then
[12:33.2*] <|343373|> "I've never seen "7/7=?" before" a bit later says "7/7=6 bitches"
[12:4*.01] <|343373|> Oh according to sages logs it seems sage said "how does 7/7=6?" to marcus few hours before marcus said "7/7=6 bitches"
[12:54.22] <Lurker6*> yeah i have this in logs
[12:54.23] <Lurker6*> [20:24.02] <lardbucket> How does 7/7=6?
[12:54.23] <Lurker6*> [20:24.10] <blingbat> wait
[12:54.23] <Lurker6*> [23:14.33] <blingbat> 7/7=6 bitches
[12:54.55] <|343373|> yup
[12:55.16] <|343373|> oops u didnt notice you replied here and sent you on wickr
[13:00.42] <Lurker6*> anyways 7/7=? isnt ever gonna be good enough clue to anybody to solve LP, you told me and sage more about digital roots than we can find anywhere on internet, and we still dont know how to decrypt LP
[13:01.36] <|343373|> Its the beginning of the approach
[13:02.13] <|343373|> with what you know about it so far you should be able to solve about half of 0-57
[13:02.43] <|343373|> just gotta find the pattern in the encryption and the magic square to understand their approach fully
[13:03.2*] <|343373|> Btw I said I share the name 'Fu Xi" here with my friend but the wickr one is just mine.. (or atleast for now, unless they get wickr too...)
[13:03.34] <Lurker6*> i started to setup the things to figure out first 17 pages, with this new approach, but havent have time to actually figure aout connection to magic square
[13:04.17] <|343373|> kk, its quite simple really, just takes a little bit to notice the relation
[13:04.46] <Lurker6*> i need to start looking at keys in different ways than "reverse runes" and DIUINITY and FIRFUMFERENFE
[13:05.24] <Lurker6*> so i need to go through all encryption and pages once again... which takes some time i dont have atm
[13:06.15] <|343373|> yup, also best idea is to start from the parable itself... (thats where the first pattern starts)
[13:0*.00] <Lurker6*> parable? parable is not in first 17 pages, parable is on last 0-57 page and it was in mp3 from 2013, in both cases unencrypted
[13:0*.23] <|343373|> theres a slight value difference
[13:0*.4*] <|343373|> in the parable, which is the begginning of the pattern
[13:13.13] <|343373|> after the parable it continues in the first 17 pages
[13:13.58] <|343373|> Thats the most I can say about it atm till you find the pattern itself...
[13:23.04] <|343373|> Actually the parable might complicate things
[13:23.50] <Lurker6*> >slight value difference  I have no idea what you are talking about. I think you are not talking about value difference between parable in 2013 and 2014 since they were identical, apart from different formatting
[13:24.45] <|343373|> Just start with the 17 pages. (and remember there could be relation between number bases involved too)
[13:25.27] <|343373|> (>not pointing to where)
[13:25.4*] <|343373|> (>im still within the lines)
[13:27.14] <Lurker6*> i suspect that key is somehow related to "value" (value as in prime number asigned to every rune),but it bothers me since  in "reverse geamtria" key is clearly related to position of rune in gematria, and at DIUINITY and FIRFUMFERENCE key is determined by position of the rune in the text
[13:28.04] <Lurker6*> and yeah i figured out that pattern should be in base30, so it would be longer than what we were doing at /7, /2, /8... patterns in base 10
[13:2*.13] <|343373|> mostly yes, but you need both patterns to understand something there and the patterns do repeat(in logic) even if they are in different base
[13:2*.53] <Lurker6*> althoug in every base system it should start with same value and it should continue with same number of steps between consequtive numbers, so  pattern of /7 should always start with * and and have 1 seven places forward of it then 2 seven more places forward and so on
[13:31.28] <|343373|> :)
[21:34.44] <Lurker6*> <Lurker6*> hey
[21:34.44] <Lurker6*> <Lurker6*> where did you hear about 7/7 being 6, for the first time?
[21:34.44] <Lurker6*> <blingbat> the numbers nick randomly pm'd me a few weeks ago
[21:34.44] <Lurker6*> <blingbat> he was rping so hard lmao
[21:35.04] <Lurker6*> he doesnt even remember where and when he found out about 7/7=6
[21:35.18] <Lurker6*> also i was looking at logs and found this:
[21:35.24] <Lurker6*> <Dethmasque> did anyone else here get messages from |343373|?
[21:35.24] <Lurker6*> <Dethmasque> i have no idea who that is but i was assuming they came from this room
[21:35.40] <Lurker6*> where did you found Dethmasque?
[21:35.5*] <Lurker6*> brb
[05:05.06] <|343373|> idk
[05:06.32] <|343373|> I just asked Dethmasque something because I remember him from ~2014
[12:15.38] <|343373|> Actually ive rechecked the whole 314 and pi website thing and Im very sure its not 3301, but something about it is still bugging me somehow...
[12:32.34] <Lurker6*> "Seek and you will be found" quote?
[12:33.10] <|343373|> No, actually the "Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
[12:33.25] <Lurker6*> apparently pi.mobi used this quote few hours before cicada used same quote in 2016 twitter message
[12:34.14] <Lurker6*> bible references? as far i know cicada doesnt use bible references
[12:34.27] <|343373|> 3301 always says "Seek and you will be found" so was just a coincidence
[12:36.02] <|343373|> But the "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth" is not just from the bible, and it is sightly related to 3301..(to a hint from them) so I feel slightly uneasy about it, the rest feels 100% fake. so I think its fake, but why would they use the "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." quote there...
[12:3*.15] <Lurker6*> always? have you seen quote "seek and you will be found" before 2016?
[12:3*.44] <|343373|> at the end of the puzzle since 2012 lol
[12:41.1*] <|343373|> 2013*
[12:41.44] <|343373|> they didnt say it in 2012 yet if I remember correctly
[12:42.20] <|343373|> it was at the end of 2013 100% (from what I remember)
[12:52.37] <Lurker6*> i dont remeber it, in 2013 game ended with tcp servers, and I didnt get my server pinged, or it wasnt working at the time
[13:00.46] <|343373|> I just confirmed that the pi website and 314 are fake 100%, but it was made by someone who probably solved quite a bit of lp though
[11:36.10] <|343373|> Theres a count down on the rules page now, idk for what but theres about 21 days left o.o
[11:36.28] <|343373|> Just letting you know, I have no idea what that count down is for
[13:20.4*] <Lurker6*> i will figure out the magic square connection in 21 days
[1*:46.14] <Lurker6*> i started to see some patterns in atbash gematria cipher, shift values for letters from gematria from first F to last EA are: 2* 27 25 23 ... 1  28 26 ... 4 2
[1*:46.25] <Lurker6*> that looks similar to 75318642* [Pattern of *7 AND /4] or 24681357* [Pattern of *2 AND /5] reversed in base 10
[1*:47.14] <Lurker6*> so it should be pattern of /14 in base 30, or reverse of pattern /15 in base 30
[1*:47.21] <Lurker6*> but then i was looking at Fu-Xi logs where he says that first pattern starts with  1 5 7 4 4 3 4 6 ......
[1*:47.33] <Lurker6*> 1 5/ 7 4 4 3 4 6 4 3 4 2 2 4 4 2 * 4 4 4 10 4 3 2 3 4 2 5 3 4 2 2 7 * 5 5 2 5 2 4 7 /3 3 2 6 is the number of runes in each word on page 2
[1*:48.15] <Lurker6*> i dont get how thatmatters at encryption of that page at all
[02:11.55] <|343373|> never mind the "1 5 7 4 4 3 4 6" keep doing what you were doiung
[02:12.02] <|343373|> doing*
[02:12.2*] <|343373|> youre getting closer to how it works in LP
[02:16.33] <|343373|> (you will understand how it matters after you find the first whole pattern, starting with "1 5 7 4 4 3 4 6 ......" is another first approach if you dont understad how numbers work yet)
[02:16.51] <|343373|> understand*
[04:53.48] <|343373|> did you get the messages? (just making sure because you havent replied to it)
[04:55.15] <Lurker6*> yeah, i will figure out where number of runes in words is important when i will find the full pattern
[04:55.33] <Lurker6*> whole pattern*
[04:55.35] <|343373|> kk
[04:56.06] <Lurker6*> also btw, sage thinks that countdown means End Game.
[04:56.2*] <|343373|> I dont think so... Its still early probably
[04:57.01] <Lurker6*> maybe we will all "lost the game" on that date
[04:57.1*] <Lurker6*> as a meme
[05:04.32] <|343373|> count down might be before some major hint or before the next puzzle... idk
[06:08.44] <Lurker6*> i can give you logs of #solvers if you want
[06:0*.30] <Lurker6*> if you want to get in just create new account, get a claok and join, use different client if one you are using doesnt allow you to join same network twice
[06:11.26] <|343373|> ... iIIustrious hates me that much?
[06:12.26] <|343373|> Also just tell me was there anything new in solvers the past few days?
[06:12.32] <Lurker6*> seems so, he is banning  and kicking people alot, he lost his patience
[06:12.33] <|343373|> other than the fake pi
[06:13.00] <Lurker6*> not much new, few days ago there was ComplexSystems girl that had few fresh ideas
[06:13.13] <|343373|> what ideas?
[06:13.2*] <Lurker6*> And then guy Zhvago from same VPN
[06:13.50] <Lurker6*> they claimed that they didnt find the puzzle but that puzzle find them
[06:14.00] <|343373|> O.o
[06:14.10] <Lurker6*> but iiiustrious kicked them before they explained how puzzle found them
[06:14.15] <|343373|> LOL
[06:14.44] <Lurker6*> complex asked among other ihngs if anybody was vetting the idea that magic squares are the key
[06:14.56] <|343373|> oh
[06:15.01] <Lurker6*> ill get you logs
[06:15.06] <|343373|> kk thanks
[06:2*.15] <Lurker6*> [23:28.46] <ComplexSystems> This is not going anywhere. Do we know whats up with this magic square theory? [23:28.5*] <brotherBox> which magic square theory [23:2*.3*] <ComplexSystems> The one about their talking to each other and revealing a patter that decrypts the pages until the sexond magic square
[06:2*.34] <Lurker6*> [00:28.13] <ComplexSystems_> I think there is a fair chance that its a book code, wherein the LP itself is the book. The pattern of the book being revealed through the magic squares or combinations of prime sewuences
[06:2*.47] <Lurker6*> http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?b1f3350f8d6d34e1#QvqAA8rD7pu8081eAbBZy2fJQZh6/L+InEG8hwFvDwo=
[06:30.00] <|343373|> thanks
[06:30.1*] <Lurker6*> i wasnt exactly present while she was there, i noticed later reading backlog that she had some very good ideas
[06:31.10] <Lurker6*> later iiustrious registered nick ComplexSystems :-/ so she uses Complexity_ now i think
[06:31.47] <Lurker6*> also because she revealed her gender discussion derailed to feminism and escalated quickly
[06:32.15] <Lurker6*> i suggest you disregard that part
[06:32.30] <|343373|> wow... iIIustrious is such a bully LOL
[06:33.01] <Lurker6*> yeah, he wasnt used to be like that, he is loosing patince and i think he was drung at the time
[06:3*.41] <Lurker6*> I know him for long time, from UMBRA arg almost 5 years ago. Looks like he is sick of roleplaying and gamejacking, I dont care about that so much, it doesnt bother me if people are making and following fake puzzles, that is just a part of ARGs. Every inexperienced player wants to become puppetmaster at some point, until he tries it and finds out how hard it is actually to put togather interesting game.
[08:11.16] <Lurker6*> http://calypne.boards.net/post/347/thread
[23:13.42] <Lurker6*> i unbanned you in #solvers again
[23:13.50] <Lurker6*> fu-xi is also unbanned
[05:03.45] <|343373|> Thanks, what happened though?
[06:16.32] <|343373|> Thanks, what happened though?
[12:25.45] <Lurker6*> nothing, i think, i saw brotherbox asking for your unban in channel the other day so i asked someone to op me and unbanned sou
[12:28.15] <Lurker6*> i dont know if anything important happened and wasnt reading logs, here is th elog form yesterday http://pastebin.com/4NGZvX0L
[10:14.1*] <|343373|> "patterns 24681357* and 615*48372 combined  -> 2>6<4>1<6>5<8>*<1>4<3>8<5>3<7>7<*>2<" that wont make sense to them what so ever since they dont know where both patterns come from.. lol
[10:17.07] <Lurker6*> i just wanted to show them how you can combine multiple patterns
[10:17.55] <Lurker6*> btw, i am working on magic square->pattern->cipher connection
[10:18.11] <Lurker6*> you said that first magic square simplified is:
[10:18.2*] <|343373|> just like at first, 2(8)6(1)4(1)6(2)5(4)8(8)*(1)1(5)4(7)3(2)8(4)5(8)3(1)7(5)7(7)*(2)2 -> 8 1 1 2 4 8 1 5 7 2 4 8 1 5 7 2 wont make sense to you
[10:20.04] <Lurker6*> yeah it doesnt so far
[10:20.18] <Lurker6*> anyways you said that first magic square somplified is:
[10:20.20] <Lurker6*> 2 3 8 5 6
[10:20.20] <Lurker6*> 6 1 4 5 *
[10:20.20] <Lurker6*> 1 2 1 2 1
[10:20.20] <Lurker6*> * 5 4 1 5
[10:20.20] <Lurker6*> 6 5 8 3 2
[10:20.35] <Lurker6*> and then you said me to notice which number is missing
[10:21.00] <Lurker6*> i thought that 7 is missing, but thats becasue your  simplified version is not correct
[10:21.31] <Lurker6*> it should be 2 3 8 5 7 in first line (and same mirrored in last line)
[10:21.43] <Lurker6*> so no digit is missing in simplified version
[10:44.47] <|343373|> <|343373|> oh wow... I typo'd LOL
[10:44.48] <|343373|> <|343373|> :)
[10:44.48] <|343373|> <|343373|> "Test the knowledge. Find your
[10:44.48] <|343373|> <|343373|> truth.", "Question all things.
[10:44.48] <|343373|> <|343373|> Discover truth inside yourself." :) Always verify what I say, dont trust it.
[10:44.48] <|343373|> <|343373|> you should question that 6 or 7 :o (or atleast pay more attention to it though)
[10:44.50] <|343373|> <|343373|> as well as that "5" at * 5 4 1 5
[10:46.56] <NiceLurk> yeah i checked my notes, its * 5 4 1 6
[10:48.25] <|343373|> yup its 6, its 366 if i rememember correctly..
[10:48.36] <NiceLurk> yeah
[10:50.08] <|343373|> with all the numbers there it simplifies the way to find the connection of the patterns and the magic square by a lot...
[10:50.38] <|343373|> Sorry for the intentional typos :)
[10:52.56] <NiceLurk> i know by now not to trust anyone regarding 3301, i learned to always double check everything by myself, it doesnt even make any difference to me anymore if people are making mistakes in logic, making typos or misleading me intentionally
[10:54.51] <|343373|> Thats good :o Follow your truth.
[10:56.15] <|343373|> Sorry I cant help much with the magic square at this point as youre very close to the answer already with everything I hinted and explained so far...
[10:57.47] <|343373|> It should come to you quite easily now(youll notice it easily) though, since you know that the first magic square has all numbers...
[11:01.2*] <NiceLurk> i am going through first pages slowly, trying to look at ciphers more closely than we did before, before we just stopped thinking about ciphers when we found the correct key
[11:01.42] <|343373|> Pattern in the magic square that happens in the cipher/encryption
[11:02.28] <|343373|> mhm, good luck :)
[11:03.31] <NiceLurk> i am having problems with two vigenere ciphers, with keys DIUINITY and FIRFUMFERENFE
[11:05.0*] <NiceLurk> DIUINITY shifts runes for 7 20 2* 20 21 20 14 4  7 20 2* 20 21 ... and this key runs over runes in ciphertext
[11:05.51] <NiceLurk> while the 2* 27 25 ... 1 28 26 ...2 key runs over runes in gematria
[11:06.51] <NiceLurk> those are two quite different concepts, and i havent yet figured out how to put them in same system
[11:10.04] <|343373|> (thats what you have the magic square for)
[11:10.23] <|343373|> (no more hints about it)
[11:13.55] <NiceLurk> yeah i know it must be something apparent, that will jump at me from the dark when i will look at it for long enough
[11:14.32] <|343373|> Try to find the whole first cipher pattern/encription first, then use magic square to make sense of it all
[11:15.32] <|343373|> by whole I mean from the first page to the last page of the original 17
[11:16.23] <NiceLurk> yeah that about 4 ciphers also counting unciphered runes
[11:17.04] <|343373|> find a mathematical logic which connects all 4 and makes sense why they happen in the order that they do.
[11:17.41] <|343373|> dont look at the bruteforced way. look for a pattern in the way the letters shift
[11:17.43] <NiceLurk> another thing that bother me slightly are pages 1 and 3, Liber Primus and Chapter 1 Intus, pages; but i am just ignoring them
[11:18.36] <|343373|> page number plays some role in the pattern logic
[11:21.15] <NiceLurk> yeah what i am doing is looking at each chapter and trying to rewrite it with as many different number strings as possible, sooner or later i will find correct approach
[11:21.41] <|343373|> Cover > Liber Primus 0.jpg > A Warning > Chapter 1 Intus > [Some Wisdom] first magic square > [Welcome]
[11:24.13] <|343373|> Dont do it machanically though... always look for a logic, dont try to advance too much unless the logic make perfect sense.
[11:2*.0*] <NiceLurk> Cover! I forgot about that page
[11:3*.58] <|343373|> Do you have the cover page? or do you need it?
[11:40.14] <|343373|> I mean cover img
[11:40.20] <|343373|> 1033.jpg
[11:41.15] <NiceLurk> http://uncovering-cicada.wikia.com/wiki/File:1033.jpg
[11:43.34] <|343373|> Yup its the original
[11:43.41] <NiceLurk> but as far as i remmebr we didnt find much mor ethan outguess with RSA to break in it
[11:44.20] <NiceLurk> there were some anomalies near pointing finger, iirc, but nothing conclusive was discovered
[11:44.26] <|343373|> well it doesnt have much more to it than a clue to the approach
[11:45.55] <NiceLurk> http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/uncovering-cicada/images/f/f3/MIXXXX1000.gif/revision/latest?cb=20140118134058
[11:46.27] <NiceLurk> this is waht we found, and i was never sure if it was mistake done while editing or it was intentional
[11:47.17] <NiceLurk> difference between original painting and cover cversion looks like this http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/uncovering-cicada/images/1/11/15*kitn.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140106234411
[11:50.26] <NiceLurk> lol, this is what happens if you look at random things for too long, you start to notice imaginary patterns
[11:50.2*] <NiceLurk> http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/uncovering-cicada/images/1/1*/1033artefacts100pxwidth.jpg/revision/latest?cb=2014011814113*
[11:51.15] <NiceLurk> here you can see that that smudge can be roman numerals for 1033 or it can also be very small logo of cicada :-)
[11:51.22] <NiceLurk> both
[11:51.25] <NiceLurk> so probably nothing
[11:54.38] <|343373|> ....
[11:54.41] <|343373|> sigh
[11:54.48] <|343373|> Do you know what Sierpinski triangle is? lol
[11:55.16] <NiceLurk> never heard of it
[11:55.31] <|343373|> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierpinski_triangle
[11:55.44] <NiceLurk> oh yeah, when i saw it, i know it
[11:56.35] <NiceLurk> http://www.asawicki.info/files/PascalTriangle_Numbers.png
[11:57.03] <|343373|> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierpinski_triangle#/media/File:Multigrade_operator_AND.svg
[11:57.08] <|343373|> might make some sense
[12:03.10] <|343373|> Btw Francisco de Goya image is important... or atleast the numbers in it..
[12:06.23] <|343373|> (but its not important atm)
[12:07.25] <NiceLurk> numbers are 181 7 15 16 456 351 7 ; *66 1071 626 204 434
[12:07.25] <NiceLurk> they adds up to 1033 and 3301
[12:08.04] <NiceLurk> werent they first columns of 2 of 3 magic squares that were in mp3
[12:10.22] <NiceLurk> yeah, more precisely last column or first one in reverse order
[12:10.34] <|343373|> Theres another use for them
[12:12.25] <|343373|> as for why I pointed to "Sierpinski triangle", look at the cover, the bottom middle where the finger is touching.
[12:16.26] <NiceLurk> yeah there is faint line, dividing triangle in "serpinski" manner
[12:18.46] <NiceLurk> thats there in original also, meanning that William Blake knew that Newton new about serpinski triangle
[12:18.48] <|343373|> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierpinski_triangle#/media/File:Multigrade_operator_AND.svg Helps you tounderstand the idea of how the approach works in a way... its not the approach but it opens your mind to be able to understand something
[12:1*.00] <|343373|> mhm
[12:24.15] <|343373|> The approach is a secret knowledge passed from ancient times... For example The Freemasons symbol, its a Sierpinski triangle figure too...
[12:2*.13] <|343373|> 3301 are using(or trying to teach) that approach for something... (Im not really sure for what my self)
[12:30.33] <|343373|> serpinski triangle are only a hint to the approach as they follow the approach and those patterns...
[12:30.45] <|343373|> So it should be okay telling you this much :o
[12:30.5*] <NiceLurk> you are talking about the square and compasses symbol right, not he pyramid eye?
[12:31.01] <NiceLurk> http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/images/SquareandCompassesEmbroideredGraphic1.gif
[12:33.30] <|343373|> yes
[12:38.58] <|343373|> The eye is about The Eyes of Horus -> 1/2 1/4 1/8 1/16(7) 1/32(5) 1/64(1) -> 5 7 8 4 2 1 or The Eye of Ra -> 1*2, 1*4 1*8 1*16(7) 1*32(5) 1*64(1) -> 2 4 8 7 5 1
[12:40.34] <NiceLurk> yeah i knew ybout those fractions in eye of the horus
[12:42.17] <NiceLurk> also sierpentinski triangle is hidden in flower of life symbol http://blog.world-mysteries.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/triangularnumbers.png
[12:43.24] <|343373|> Its the other way around
[12:46.00] <|343373|> 6 flipped interlinked serpinski triangles form the flower of life
[12:46.14] <NiceLurk> you are right, flower of life is limited on the outside, sierpentinski triangle is not limited on the inside
[12:46.20] <|343373|> center point creating the seed of life
[12:47.28] <|343373|> btw at this point this has nothing to do with LP atm, just letting you know to not mislead you
[12:52.16] <|343373|> "serpinski triangle" can help in understanding the cipher/encryption. but beyond that is something that you dont really need for LP, it is very interesting and helps you to understand the approach better but in no way does it help solve LP directly, the method of solving it stays the same. there are many directions to using and understanding the approach. the one used in LP is just 1 of them.
[12:53.55] <NiceLurk> i understand
[18:45.08] <|343373|> Im not sure if I said this or if you figured it out already, but it could be said that all mathematical patterns are interlinked(/"Interconnected").
[18:50.01] <Lurker6*> yeah that mp3 is also polyphonic, which could be seen as two interlinked melodies, and partly palindromic
[18:54.15] <|343373|> the Interconnectedness mp3 is showing the that patterns are in Interconnected. same pattern on a higher and lower note interconnect creating an other pattern, which interconnected with it created anotehr and then they start repeating then all 3-4 combined into one and interconnected on different scales creates a bent pattern. (eventually creating the pattern which is hidden in Pi.)
[18:55.10] <|343373|> thats why I said I think the person who made the pi website understands the approach somewhat or possibly solved quite abit of LP pages
[1*:04.45] <|343373|> ~**% of the whole Interconnectedness mp3 was mathematically written/composed.
[1*:08.4*] <|343373|> The bent pattern begins after 167 seconds in
[1*:11.15] <Lurker6*> iirc nobody propperly transcribed that mp3, and i am not enough musically inclined to do it,  i think somebody said that it seems to be in base 10
[1*:14.37] <|343373|> Yeah, but you can skip it with what you already have in understanding the approach to numbers so far... and I explained to you what happens in the mp3 :o (but then again.. its better to always test and confirm...)
[1*:15.42] <Lurker6*> lol
[1*:30.15] <|343373|> after 167 seconds, the bent pattern begins and stays for 60 seconds(until its completed ~360 degrees turn) and then the curve repeats in its basic form for 34 seconds, after that cicadas start singing for 27 seconds(and combined with the * seconds of the cicadas in the begining of the mp3 making it 36 seconds)
[1*:54.55] <|343373|> oops I meant after that cicadas start singing for 17 seconds(and combined with the *-10 seconds of the cicadas in the begining of the mp3 making it 26-27 seconds) typo
[1*:58.11] <|343373|> The whole Interconnectedness mp3 pattern starts at page 27 of the 00-57 so dont bother with it for now until you get there
[1*:58.54] <|343373|> And Im drunk... I probably shouldve have told you that one... LOL...
[1*:5*.05] <|343373|> shouldnt have*
[1*:5*.57] <Lurker6*> i am not mad at all
[20:00.06] <|343373|> ?
[20:00.34] <Lurker6*> not mad that you are giving me more tips that you should :)
[20:02.37] <|343373|> .... Better keep what just happened to yourself... Idk if I could get in trouble for this... (i dont want to suddenly lose the chance of them contacting me just cause of a stupid mistake like this lol(
[20:04.02] <|343373|> I've waited this long already.... fml if they drop me from the list just cause of this
[20:05.52] <Lurker6*> ok, i wont share that one with anybody, i dont have the transcribed notes from mp3 anways, and i dont have any idea how to do that for myself
[20:06.24] <Lurker6*> i am alone currently anyways, sage is off the grid for past few days, not sure when he will come back
[20:07.20] <|343373|> You should be able to do it yourself without the notes by the time you get to that page, it starts with a simple factorization function......
[20:14.21] <|343373|> its the page with the wing 27.jpg(if 00-57.jpg) or 44.jpg(if 00-74.jpg)
[20:15.2*] <|343373|> I dont remember if I told you or sage about that wing and the tree being(or pointing to) the same pattern/function/way of using the approach
[20:15.55] <|343373|> I just hinted, didnt plainly say that though...
[20:16.06] <|343373|> FFS I should stop talking atm, sorry
[20:17.54] <Lurker6*> you didnt told us that, but i noticed that branches and roots on the tree are multiplying in similar fasshion than veins on cicadas wing
[20:1*.23] <|343373|> I remembered now.. it was to sage, he was asking about the tree because the tree was bugging him a lot
[20:1*.58] <Lurker6*> i was trying to brute force that page alot, assummed first three runes would be THE and key would start with 4 6 * ...
[20:22.24] <Lurker6*> now you pointed out at another possible connection of wing being on 17th page and duration of cicadas noise in mp3 being cca 27 sec
[20:22.27] <|343373|> you mean 3 5 8
[20:23.05] <|343373|> - 3 5 8 .....
[20:23.07] <Lurker6*> yeah 358 or 46* depends if you cont shift for 0 or you dont
[20:24.18] <Lurker6*> or 5 7 10 on the cicadas wing if you count outter border and not only veins on each branching step
[20:25.02] <Lurker6*> but i am pretty sure that 3 5 8 is correct beginning of the key, I just didnt find any logical continuation that would produce redable plain text
[20:27.35] <|343373|> - 3 5 8  the next one is -'7' in a way... I wont explain more than that, but it will make sense to you later and confirm that you found the right approach to it
[20:36.44] <|343373|> its not -7 but my statement of -'7' will make sense
[20:37.11] <|343373|> to confirm after you find how the function works
[20:3*.00] <Lurker6*> your '-' before 3 doesnt mean minus sign there right?
[20:40.04] <|343373|> movement backwards or subtraction
[20:40.17] <|343373|> (direction)
[20:43.4*] <|343373|> - 3 5 8 = + 26 24 21
[20:44.31] <|343373|> (for gematria primus)
[20:44.47] <|343373|> (2* runes..)
[20:45.26] <Lurker6*> ah ok, its - onfront of all three numbers, that makes sense now
[20:45.3*] <|343373|> yes
[20:46.46] <Lurker6*> i was using opposite direction in my notes, moving up on gematria was negative and moving down was positive
[20:47.13] <Lurker6*> but it is exactly opposite while you are encrypting
[20:47.50] <|343373|> yes thats correct
[20:48.4*] <Lurker6*> i was using opposite direction in my notes, moving up on gematria was *positive and moving down was *negative *( is what i meant)
[20:48.5*] <|343373|> moving upwards on gematria is negative is minus because to go from 2* to 1 and moving downwards is positive because you go from 1 to 2*
[20:4*.08] <Lurker6*> but that shouldnt matter anyways as long as i use same notation consistently
[20:4*.08] <|343373|> i get what you mean
[20:4*.0*] <|343373|> lol
[20:4*.13] <|343373|> yes
[20:4*.28] <|343373|> the idea is the same
[21:2*.15] <Lurker6*> oh i forgot one little detail with that 3 5 8 key, it produces THE but in first solved 17 pages TH E was always written in two runes version, never three runes version
[21:2*.48] <Lurker6*> so i wont take 3 5 8 '7' as sacred truth for now
[21:31.00] <|343373|> its not 7
[21:31.11] <|343373|> but -7 will make sense to confirm
[21:33.28] <|343373|> And you are somewhat correct :) deal with that page when you get to it lol
[21:33.38] <Lurker6*>  yeah i get that, i dont want to guess what would next shift be just based on that
[21:35.02] <Lurker6*> and as i said, i dont even trust you completely that first three shifts are 3 5 8
[21:36.16] <|343373|> (its not 3 5 8, the idea of it shifting by 3 then 5 then 8 is somehow correct though..)
[21:36.51] <|343373|> (its shifting by 3 then by 5 then by 8 on a pattern though... not the gematria primus rune set... lol
[21:38.33] <|343373|> heck I can just say this probably... by 3 then 5 then 8 then 2 then 6
[21:40.34] <|343373|> not actual 2 (its other umber but dr 2) and not actual 6 but dr 6
[21:43.36] <Lurker6*> ok if your previous -'7' is now 2 then we are talking about base 10 not base30 as i was assuming earlier
[21:44.07] <Lurker6*> so maybe 3 5 8 11 15 or 3 5 8 20 24... eh i dont wanna guess
[21:45.11] <|343373|> dont try to guess atm, you dont get the approach fully yet nor their way of using it... trying to guess things you didnt get to yet will only confuse you
[20:11.37] <|343373|> Someone of the ppl related to the pi mobi probably either finished the previous puzzles in time, or have access to the rules page(from after LP)...
[20:13.24] <|343373|> Thats how they knew about the "seek and you will be found", it was always "Seek and you will be found." exact same wording every time at the end of the puzzle
[20:14.54] <|343373|> They probably wanted to make a sensation by using part of that sentense in their own words knowing 3301 will use it for the puzzle sooner or later...
[20:15.10] <|343373|> sentence*
[20:17.28] <Lurker6*> what do you mean by "at the end of the puzzle" you mean that they used this wording at end of puzzles in 2012 2013 and 2014 on "rules onion page"?
[20:18.05] <|343373|> starting 2013 form what i remmeber yes.. i told you before already
[20:18.08] <|343373|> from*
[20:18.15] <|343373|> remember*
[20:18.34] <|343373|> argh sorry typo so much atm lol
[20:1*.02] <Lurker6*> i dont get why pi.mobi guys never use outguess, that would make them look even more like real 3301
[20:1*.35] <Lurker6*> and if anyone of them would have solved Lp, they would be dropping clues about LP solution to rpove they are legit
[20:1*.54] <|343373|> I dont think they are trying to pose as 3301 for real.. more like trying to give hints to the approach in their own way probably
[20:20.15] <|343373|> and have fun playing around with the players by trolling them in the meanwhile
[20:21.40] <|343373|> Remember what I said about interconnectedness mp3? it has the same bent pattern that keeps repeating in Pi
[20:21.56] <|343373|> and they had few other hints....
[20:22.53] <|343373|> thats why I said they are probably someone or people who either solved LP or atleast half of LP already
[20:26.1*] <Lurker6*> i though that pi decimal sequnce might be coincindencal, pi is often used in math puzzles, but you might be right
[20:28.16] <|343373|> every x fixed amount of digits of pi give you a number of a pattern that keeps going and repeating over and over in the tail
[20:30.2*] <Lurker6*> are you sure about that, i think that most mathematicians think that digits in pi never repeat
[20:30.40] <|343373|> number is in like *2 being 2 4 6 8 1 3 5 7 *.............. or 2^x being 2 4 8 7 5 1......... something like that keeps repeating in the tail
[20:30.51] <|343373|> as in like*
[20:31.23] <|343373|> these patterns happen in square root of 2 too
[20:32.26] <|343373|> it can be called a Root Pattern
[20:33.11] <|343373|> its a little more complicated than the normal patterns
[20:34.24] <|343373|> and slightly longer but the pattern from them does start repeating the exact same sequence after a while
[20:35.04] <Lurker6*> I was about to ask about square rot of two, root of two and pi are known irrational numbers that shlould have non repeatable decimal part, and that was proven in many  ways
[20:35.24] <|343373|> theres no such thing as "irrational numbers"
[20:36.15] <Lurker6*> but you said "pattern keeps repeating" and not "digits keep repeating", digits should not start to repeat
[20:36.31] <|343373|> It only means they cant(couldnt) find the rationality. It must be rational for the constant to work
[20:36.5*] <|343373|> the digits of the patterns repeat in the same order
[20:37.1*] <|343373|> the patterns repeat in dif order with same digit order
[20:38.1*] <|343373|> like you could have 12345678* 24681357* 36*36*36* then 24681357* 12345678* 36*36*36* ......
[20:3*.0*] <|343373|> Root Pattern consist of more than 1 pattern inside itself
[20:41.01] <|343373|> (each digit of a pattern being digital root of a fixed set of digits in the tail
[20:43.14] <|343373|> You dont need this atm, just do the basic stuff first to get the hang of how they use the approach first
[20:44.35] <|343373|> (youll need to look into it a bit only starting page ~27.jpg of 00-57.jpg)
[20:50.32] <Lurker6*> hmm, makes sense if you are taling about digital roots of fixed set of digits in the root, but as i understood math that i have been taught: digits in the tail in irrational numbers like pi or sq root of two never start to repeat
[20:50.48] <Lurker6*> pi is not 3.(1415*26....n)(1415*26....n)(1415*26....n)....
[20:51.17] <Lurker6*> hmm, makes sense if you are taling about digital roots of fixed set of digits in the *tail*, but as i understood math that i have been taught: digits in the tail in irrational numbers like pi or sq root of two never start to repeat
[20:52.25] <|343373|> The digits dont repeat because they are different configurations of a digit of a pattern
[20:52.56] <|343373|> there are more than 1 pattern and huge amount of possible configurations
[20:54.10] <|343373|> making the digits never repeat in the same manner almost infinitely.
[20:54.40] <Lurker6*> yeah that is possible in my logic, i just had to make sure that you dont claim that "irrational" numbers have repeating digits in tail
[20:54.58] <Lurker6*> but yeah there is that "almost infinatelly" paradox
[20:55.0*] <|343373|> but if you find the amount of digits each pattern of the root has you will notice how numbers start repeating themselves perfectly in the same sequences
[20:58.38] <|343373|> thats like(just random number for example)... 2.17, 551, 831, .... in the tail. 217 being '1', 551 being '2', 831 being '3' of 12345678* pattern
[21:01.10] <|343373|> in Root Pattern the amount of digits to find the fixed pattern is very likely to be more than just 3 digits. and you have few patterns switching places with one another during the root patten, but they do repeat the same exact pattern after a while
[21:01.24] <|343373|> (same exact Root Pattern*)
[21:02.00] <Lurker6*> and the lenght of the selected set of digits stays constant right?
[21:02.10] <|343373|> for each pattern.
[21:02.52] <|343373|> a set amount for each pattern of 1 pattern of 2 and pattern of 3
[21:04.50] <|343373|> like 3 for 1st, 6 for 2nd, * for 3rd, every xxx till first pattern finishes, then every xxxxxx till 2nd pattern finishes, then every xxxxxxxxx till 3rd pattern finishes, and so on
[21:05.4*] <|343373|> when 1st pattern happens again its still xxx (3digits), when 2nd pattern happens again its still xxxxxx(6 digits), and when 3rd pattern happens again its still xxxxxxxxx(* digits)
[21:07.40] <|343373|> 3, 6, * amount of digits is just an example though.. but the amounts will follow a pattern too
[21:12.12] <Lurker6*> ok, there might be few patterns that can be switching places at first (but each pattern always contain same digit order and starts with same digit), and after a while even how patterns switch places starts to repeat
[21:12.43] <|343373|> yes
[21:15.10] <|343373|> Is this too shocking of a news? lol
[21:17.00] <|343373|> Dont talk about this to anyone, from my understanding on how things work, this leads to something amazing... (and very dangerous if it were to fall into the wrong hands)
[21:17.31] <Lurker6*> no its not shocking, i am just repeating it so it gets embeded into my logic
[21:17.3*] <|343373|> 3301 probably understand what the approach leads to, thats why they work the way they do..
[21:18.10] <|343373|> (as in filtering ppl very carefully)
[21:1*.5*] <|343373|> Dont think about the Root Patterns atm, just copy what i said and what you repeated about it into your notes for later(when you get to something related to it)
[21:20.37] <Lurker6*> lol dangerous yes, we were talking with sage that this patterns might be dangerous regarding breaking not just LP encryption
[21:21.30] <|343373|> Yeah he probably talked to you a bit about what I talked to him about...
[21:25.46] <Lurker6*> he didnt say it came from you, he mentioned his theory that 3301 wants to leak information on possible attack vector on RSA keys by factorizing large numbers based on repeating patterns in them
[21:26.34] <|343373|> Just copy the thing about Root Patterns into you private notes... if you start working on it atm it might mislead you about the approach(use of the approach) in the original 17 and in the first ~20 pages of the 00-58
[21:27.20] <Lurker6*> right
[21:27.31] <|343373|> Well we talked about it, and he said that what I explained to him confirmed it for him..
[21:28.13] <|343373|> (explained as in about numbers, you know a lot more so far btw)
[21:28.22] <|343373|> I havent talked to him in a while
[21:2*.57] <Lurker6*> yeah he believes, since i know him, that there are publicly unknown ways to break private keys
[21:30.36] <Lurker6*> and i also havent talked to him for a bout a week, i think he is busy with some private projects, he will be back, he always returns
[21:34.3*] <|343373|> The 'approach' is not just about encryptions though... Think about it... It happens all over in nature and in our universe. Anything that is a natural process, not something artificial created by our(humans) current wrong approach(in mathematics and science as well as the view on how everything works) atm.
[21:36.16] <|343373|> Laws of nature follow the exact same rules as what numbers/digits (math) do. They are all expression of the same something/system.
[21:36.55] <|343373|> They all follow the same Patterns.
[21:37.42] <|343373|> So yup, keep this completely to yourself please.
[21:42.22] <Lurker6*> Patterns appearing in nature are not dangerous they are beautiful. We have always been noticing them. All the different number sequences and fractal structures. They are occuring on all scales from micro to macro world.
[21:42.25] <|343373|> I dont know whats 3301s intentions in using the approach but based on how careful they are, its more likely that its not just about encryptions.
[21:43.42] <|343373|> Not dangerous? if you understand the patterns by which something is created, then you can manipulate the process to result in anything you wish it to be usig the approach.
[21:44.51] <Lurker6*> And whole space is just a play of energies following same mathematical principles as life on earth. In a way even our "artifical creations" are completelly natural.
[21:44.53] <|343373|> Understanding the approach, building a device/system would enable manipulating the laws of nature.
[21:45.15] <|343373|> a device/system using it*
[21:47.07] <|343373|> In a way anything becomes possible, as well as creating a black hole the size of the planet using things you can buy in a mall. Tell me that wont be dangerous in the wrong hands.
[21:47.35] <Lurker6*> bad people using laws of nature to do bad things isnt anything new, good example are atomic weapons
[21:48.07] <|343373|> atomic weapons is a misdirection from the correct approach to avoid something worse
[21:50.12] <|343373|> because we(the world) werent ready to keep everything in control if the understanding of the approach got leaked before they complete creating a safety switch to this whole thing.
[21:53.25] <|343373|> Nikola Tesla was one of the few people who understood the approach somewhat and tried to use it for people..
[21:54.30] <Lurker6*> you think that atomic bomb was invented intentionally just to misdirect other nations from this "pattern approach"?
[21:54.47] <|343373|> not intentionally
[21:55.1*] <|343373|> but it was a result of an attempt to misdirect
[21:56.06] <Lurker6*> and yes we have to thank Tesla for most of todays technology
[21:56.36] <|343373|> Originally the approach was lost since ancient times, and only few knew/understood it. Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein and few other understood it a little bit(/its potential) too and tried to misdirect.
[21:57.2*] <|343373|> (there were many before them too of course)
[21:58.20] <|343373|> But now its even more dangerous due to the amount of information available we have atm.
[22:00.55] <|343373|> Tesla wanted to do what ancients done before using the pyramids(allow inifite, free supply of pure bio electricity anywhere and everywhere on the planet)
[22:02.02] <Lurker6*> Wasnt american nuclear program fueled by fear that Germans might build bomb before them? But yeah Einstein was trying to prevent atomic bomb from happening since the beginnig, but there was no way to prevent invention of it during 2WW, since basic nuclear phisycs principles were already known.
[22:02.04] <|343373|> bio electricity/energy*
[22:02.5*] <Lurker6*> Yeah I think that teslas free enrgy plan had something to do with  schumann resonance
[22:04.12] <|343373|> all of the current physics, maths, chems, bios, etc.. approach is wrong atm, it all leads to a dead-end.
[22:04.57] <|343373|> Yes it works, but so are numbers repeating abit in a not complete pattern when the approach is wrong
[22:10.2*] <Lurker6*> newtons equations still work eventhough they were based on incorrect assumptions as it was proven later by theory of relativity
[22:10.31] <|343373|> Also the earth/plane is not bent/spheroid, its actually a flat plane with the space around it bent in a spherical manner, believe it or not.
[22:11.27] <|343373|> it(the plane) has an infinite continuation of it.
[22:11.53] <Lurker6*> now we have string theory that is offering new foundation to understand relativity theory concepts even loser to their essence
[22:13.17] <|343373|> Theres no "gravity" nor "space" as we know it. it exists but it works differently than we are being told. Just look at nasa's photos... LOL...
[22:15.31] <Lurker6*> what nasas photos? i hope you dont mean those that prove that earth is flat by showing suns high light intensity spot on clouds
[22:15.45] <|343373|> The continuation of the plane should be at the very center of the magnetic poles. (if you were to pass through it, it should look as if the horizon collapses into a singularity then expands back to how it was, but at that point you should be on another different "earth" already.
[22:16.42] <Lurker6*> i was talking about that thing http://geoshifter.com/images/sun-hotspot-on-clouds.jpg
[22:17.17] <|343373|> hmm interesting
[22:17.28] <|343373|> I cant explain that one atm
[22:17.35] <|343373|> (idk how it works yet)
[22:1*.03] <|343373|> Horizon always stays on eye level and always stays flat. And you can use a telescope on a good day to see over ~180 miles in the distance just fine.
[22:1*.27] <|343373|> space itself around the earth is bent though.
[22:22.26] <|343373|> Well the most I managed to see using a telescope was ~2*0-300km in a flat line into the horizon.
[22:24.33] <|343373|> But thats because the air is not fully transparent(there are particle, especially of water in it) which blurs(effect gets multiplied with the distance)
[22:27.33] <Lurker6*> but curvature of the earth is blocking your sight, you cant see your own back sitting on a spere even with perfect transparent athmosphere
[22:27.52] <|343373|> Theres no curvature to the earth.
[22:28.00] <|343373|> only to the space around it.
[22:2*.00] <Lurker6*> gravity bends light rays but not to the extent they would to come to the full circle, at leat not earth scale gravity
[22:2*.10] <|343373|> The space over the earth is bending the earth into a sphere
[22:2*.37] <Lurker6*> ships do go below the horizont as they go further away
[22:2*.38] <|343373|> Theres no gravity O.o
[22:30.23] <Lurker6*> well earth being flat with space being bend around it is the same as earth being a spere in flat planes 3d space
[22:30.26] <|343373|> Its all magnetic, frequency synchronized effect.
[22:31.03] <|343373|> its bent but stays perfectly flat
[22:32.23] <|343373|> ... wait lol I hope theres a video on the internet about this... I regret not making a video of the experiment ive done
[22:32.36] <Lurker6*> yeah, mass is bending (pulling together) on empty space, making effect that we call gravity
[22:33.08] <Lurker6*> there is a video showing that ships do go under horizont https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nUFLLUahSI
[22:33.12] <|343373|> nono theres no gravity
[22:33.22] <|343373|> youre not being pulled to the center
[22:34.04] <|343373|> you are being pulled parallel to the plane
[22:36.4*] <|343373|> LOl k found something close to what ive done https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql_TTguKxnE
[22:37.14] <|343373|> I done it with a telescope though so it was way more far than that.
[22:38.57] <Lurker6*> there is an illusion called looming that happens beacuse of different temperatue air creating lens effect, that couls make you see ships over the horizont or further away than it would be possible if light would travel in staight line
[22:38.5*] <Lurker6*> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-21305*8/False-wall-water-created-Fata-Morgana-mirage-hidden-iceberg-Titanic-late.html
[22:3*.41] <|343373|> thats a lie, mirages dont work that way :)
[22:41.12] <|343373|> The humidity in the air may work as a lens though.
[22:41.33] <|343373|> magnifying lens
[22:42.51] <Lurker6*> http://images-cdn.*gag.com/photo/aWZKeP6_700b_v1.jpg thats the image that made me read about looming
[22:44.01] <|343373|> Its magnifying lens, in the distance still at horizon level
[22:46.28] <|343373|> Sorry to break it to you
[22:4*.11] <Lurker6*> temparature of the air influnces density of the air which creates lens effect, humidity might also play a role in it
[22:4*.24] <|343373|> But it doesnt bend.
[22:4*.57] <|343373|> Its a completely straight line forward.
[22:52.02] <|343373|> There can be a mirage, which is a reflection. but those ones arent.
[22:53.12] <Lurker6*> https://deadconfederates.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/hull-down-03.png here is nice picture proving that ships do go under horizont
[22:53.45] <Lurker6*> as far as i understand looming is not the same as mirage
[22:54.03] <|343373|> no thats sea level + not enough zoom
[22:54.51] <|343373|> its farther than it seems
[22:55.36] <|343373|> it seems closer due to the humidity magnifying it
[22:56.04] <|343373|> if you keep zooming on it more and more youll see the whole ship
[22:57.43] <|343373|> Mirages are always flipped. (because they are a reflection)
[22:58.35] <Lurker6*> yeah looming doesnt flip image, its not mirage, lomming only makes image appear higher or lower or streched in one way
[22:5*.45] <|343373|> no like I said, it just magnifies the view in a straight line.
[23:00.27] <|343373|> Stright line as in infront of you
[23:00.45] <|343373|> from your side, not from the objects side
[23:03.23] <Lurker6*> looming is becasue of different density of air, light travels with different speeds in different density materials, so at looming light keepss turning towards lower density part of air slighty, which makes light rays to bend
[23:03.38] <Lurker6*> it can also magnify/make things appear bigger or smaller
[23:04.43] <|343373|> its due to the humidity, not pure density of air.
[23:04.43] <Lurker6*> and as i read effect  can be opposite, it can also make objects appear lower bellow the horizon
[23:05.57] <|343373|> you know how water can be used as a magnifying glass? its almost same idea but the difference is, its straight, not a bent lens
[23:13.46] <Lurker6*> it seems to me that there arw two effects in play, one is magnification caused by humidity, other one is shifting image higher or lower that is casued by density, both effects seem to be called looming
[23:14.36] <Lurker6*> this is the looming i was talking about http://www.historyinsidepictures.com/siteimages/LOOMING%201.JPG
[23:15.31] <|343373|> no shifting and no looming, those are theories that are used to take away the idea of why you are able to see flat in the distance
[23:1*.26] <Lurker6*> so you claim that if you would keep zooming on this ship http://prntscr.com/bi27qy you would see more and more of it?
[23:1*.41] <Lurker6*> what is preventing you to see whole ship with this lense then?
[23:21.51] <|343373|> Eventually if you keep zooming in(it will appear as if the ship is actually getting smaller) until you zoom in enough to start seeing its real size(and the whole ship ofcourse)
[23:22.22] <|343373|> if the humidity isnt too dense ofcouse... if it is then itll just keep getting more and more blurry
[23:24.11] <|343373|> there are ways to counter the blur though
[23:25.58] <Lurker6*> but sailors are using those equations for centuries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon#/media/File:HorizonDistance.png
[23:27.05] <Lurker6*> and we know for sure that you could actually tie a rope around the earth, and both ends meet just as expectd, horizont doesent colapse in singularity for either end, and on end doesnt end on another earth
[23:27.11] <Lurker6*> brb
[23:27.11] <|343373|> How is it any different if it was flat? LOL
[23:28.01] <|343373|> By a rope you mean around the north pole.
[23:28.14] <|343373|> lol
[23:2*.38] <|343373|> south pole gets tricky as the bent space is acting up there. the distences around cannot be calculated.
[23:32.43] <|343373|> distances*
[23:36.47] <|343373|> from pole +*0 degree radius to pole -*0 degree radius in a straight line can be calculated.
[23:40.2*] <|343373|> The closer you get to south pole the harder it becomes to calculate the distance around it because the space is bent there the most up to the very center of the south pole radius.
[23:42.1*] <|343373|> while the space is bent less up to the north pole. (only the north pole magnetic -*0 degree radius is bent there)
[23:48.32] <|343373|> Imagine a flat square 'cut off', with a square of nothing inside the 'cut off' square too (not really cut, its still there, so is the square thats suposed to be inside too and still the same) and turned into now turned into a flat donat, then bent into a sphere.
[23:50.32] <|343373|> ..same) and turned into a flat donat... *
[23:54.20] <|343373|> >Imagine a flat square 'cut off' AS IN from an infinite plane
[23:55.33] <|343373|> Does that make more sense?
[23:57.15] <Lurker6*> amm i get lost at turning flat square (with another square inside of it) in flat donat
[23:57.55] <Lurker6*> and i dont get your problem with distances around north and south pole, and why conditions on south pole are more complicated than on north pole
[23:58.1*] <Lurker6*> but you can select your pole on every point on the sphere, and draw your meridians and paralles from there, then space would be bending around that new pole; magnetic and geographical poles are where they are just because earth is moving in solar system the way it is, otherwise you can select your top and bottom point of sphere wherever you want
[23:58.22] <|343373|> sec ill draw it quick for you
[00:04.54] <Lurker6*> i see all this as just transformation from carthesian to polar coordinate system in 3d
[00:07.30] <Lurker6*> also if earth is not shere but flat plane bent by bent space around it, what are other spheres in our space, the ones that look like spheres if observed from our point? would a ball on flat earth observe itself as flat and saw earth as a sphere? while third oserver see both of them as spheres from his point of view?
[00:0*.11] <|343373|> http://oi67.tinypic.com/1zfmn37.jpg
[00:10.03] <|343373|> then bent into a sphere
[00:10.28] <|343373|> N = north, S= south
[00:11.02] <|343373|> thats the bending of space
[00:12.42] <|343373|> nothing of the square(as well as inside and outside the square) is lost, nothing is lost while the square becomes a circle
[00:13.17] <|343373|> and nothing is lost while that flat donat becomes a sphere.
[00:13.27] <|343373|> The plane stays the same
[00:13.36] <|343373|> only the space is bent
[00:1*.47] <Lurker6*> yeah i can imagine those transforamtions, and i can see the difference between N and S pole, N is inner one and S is outer one on original flat plane
[00:1*.5*] <|343373|> Perimeters into Circumferences into a sphere with only abit of north circumference collapsed towards a singularity, and a lot of south circumference collapsed towards a singularity.
[00:21.26] <|343373|> Thats also the reason for the auroras, because of the bent space.
[00:23.02] <|343373|> (concentration of light in a bent space)
[00:24.3*] <|343373|> (light as in energy)
[00:26.10] <|343373|> (the discharge of it)
[00:27.03] <Lurker6*> but if you do same transformation from sphere to square in opposite way, and you start from different N pole you get same plane that is slightly shifted horizontally and vertically, and inner N square and outter S square cross different points (relative to original position) on same surface
[00:28.06] <Lurker6*> and if you chose to make plane from sphere starting with what used to ne S pole, then you get same plane, its just "incerted" what was N on old one is S on new one and opposite
[00:28.20] <Lurker6*> "inverted"*
[00:2*.31] <Lurker6*> that proves that both N and S  (or any other point on sphere) have exactlly same conditions, difference can be detected only on plane that you get from transformation
[00:30.41] <Lurker6*> on the sphere N and S points have same "propperties", differetn circumferences appear only on plane becasue transformation was not uniform
[00:31.27] <Lurker6*> N pole gets streched and flattened into inner square and S oule gets stretched more into outter square
[00:33.24] <|343373|> why complicate it though?... plane cant be spherical, theres no such thing as what you call "gravity" water always tries to reach a flat surface. if you notice we **% of the time fly towards the north pole even while in the south pole
[00:34.12] <|343373|> thats used to fly in straight line and shorten the distance
[00:43.02] <Lurker6*> on southern hemisphere planes trajectory goes towards south pole, compared to the straight line on flat map, if they would go north of straight line path would be longer
[00:43.53] <|343373|> they dont fly towards the south pole, those who do have a crazy flight time, or have no GPS on the plane.
[00:4*.37] <|343373|> the planet is not flat, the surface is.
[00:57.16] <Lurker6*> do you siggest that on GPS, closest route between south america and australia doesnt go through south pole?
[00:58.07] <Lurker6*> did people who designed GPS network knew about "problem of bent space" on south pole and programmed in corrections that show paths avoiding south pole?
[00:5*.30] <|343373|> Not sure about if they programmed in corrections... but the base systems were originally by nasa apparently.. lol...
[01:00.40] <|343373|> The closer you move to the surface the less bent space will affect you
[01:01.38] <|343373|> so the higher you fly over the southern hemisphere, the more distance you pass under yourself.
[01:02.25] <|343373|> (while bending your flight toward the south pole)
[01:15.23] <Lurker6*> googling a little bit it really appears as that airplanes are avoiding south pole, although most sites claiming that are flat earth conspiracysites but i think reason is becasue there arent many airports for emergency landings near pole, I will look a bit further into it
[01:15.26] <Lurker6*> i have to go now, i am back in couple of hours; but i am keen to understand your perception of 3d space
[01:16.32] <|343373|> kk ttyl
[01:16.38] <|343373|> its 4d space btw
[01:16.42] <|343373|> not 3d
[01:18.08] <|343373|> 4th-d is the space itself, within which there can exist an unlimited amount of 3d.
[01:20.16] <|343373|> just like theres unlimited amount of 2d in 3d and unlimited amount of 1d in 2d (-> same goes of unlimited amount of nothing inside a 1d)
[15:2*.26] <Lurker6*> i hope you dont mind if i share some of your knwoledge with those who are prepared to listen to it?
[15:32.52] <|343373|> I rather you do so in private, im as the one who gave you the hinted and slightly explained how the approach works... kind of responsible for it... 7/7=6 isnt supposed to be told directly, nor about how numbers create patterns there, giving the pattern directly... (only hinting to it)
[15:33.07] <|343373|> the hints*
[15:34.31] <Lurker6*> but i am not as patient as you are, i rather explain it directly, i dont have time for them to figure it out for themselves
[15:34.51] <Lurker6*> i know you have rules to follow, and you do follow them as far as i am concerned
[15:36.38] <|343373|> Patience is a virtue. And if you dont have the patience then dont tell nor hint them about it.
[15:37.42] <|343373|> Or when you do then still hint, dont give them the whoe patterns directly
[15:37.47] <|343373|> whole*
[15:37.50] <Lurker6*> alright, ill do it more patiently in future without skipping steps
[15:3*.14] <|343373|> you can give them more direct hints, and can in channel.. idc tbh because its your mostly your responsibility, but the main rule was that they cant be told the answers directly...
[15:3*.4*] <|343373|> if they cant find the next step themselves then they wont be able to find the step after by themselves either
[15:40.57] <Lurker6*> i didnt want to complicate things with desprit, he is new and it seems to me that his interest is more in philosophical stuff than math
[15:41.07] <|343373|> being given the answer without enough fundamental understanding on the approach will lead to not being able to understand the way the approach works.
[15:41.46] <Lurker6*> but i get the importance of understanding of each step
[15:42.01] <|343373|> sure it will make sense and youll understand but you wont be able to find the things you cant see yet
[15:42.47] <|343373|> I am/was able to tell you more because you got enough understanding of the approach so far
[15:42.47] <Lurker6*> and even if LP text gets eventually publicly solved, **% of people will not be interested in decryption anyways, everybody cares only about final solution not how we came to it
[15:43.12] <|343373|> the whole point of LP is the decryption though... lol
[15:44.02] <Lurker6*> for example all the articles (apart from some blogs) on the web only focus on content of decrypted text, no journalist writes about encryption or keys
[15:44.30] <|343373|> <Lurker6*> it comes from sequence of Digital roots of 1/7 2/7 3/7 4/7 5/7....*/7
[15:44.30] <|343373|> <Lurker6*> Dr 1/7=*,  Dr 2/7=4, Dr 3/7=8...  Dr 7/7=6... and Dr */7=5        Full patern of Dr n/7 is *48372615  and it repeats when n goes over *
[15:44.41] <|343373|> you can say these things but avoid talking about /7
[15:44.51] <|343373|> just hint that /7 follows the same idea
[15:46.06] <Lurker6*> yeah i get that content of LP is kind of distraction, while point of what 3301 want to show us is in understanding principles of encryption/decryption, text can change, ciphers are universal
[15:46.15] <|343373|> giving them the pattern of 7 is skipping a whole lot, including how /7 tail works and how full reptend primes work
[15:46.54] <Lurker6*> about /7 and its prime division, I know its skipping much steps, you need to start with *1 /1 and *2 /2... to understand how patterns work
[15:48.17] <|343373|> The content of LP serves its purpose. It filters people by 'morals', higher understanding and gives hints to the wise.
[15:48.40] <|343373|> indeed
[15:48.55] <|343373|> so try to avoid giving them the whole thing please.. lol
[15:4*.3*] <|343373|> Idk if you telling them can affect me or not... (the rules page isnt too clear about it)
[15:52.37] <Lurker6*> and yeah content of LP is beautifully written, but nothing shockingly new, its just cicadas summary of already known philosophical texts
[15:52.48] <|343373|> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedic_square
[15:52.51] <|343373|> mhm
[15:53.03] <|343373|> btw look at that
[15:54.54] <|343373|> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_square
[15:54.58] <Lurker6*> i hope my leaks wont affect you negatively, you should keep your online nicks and identities you use with 3301 separate, compartmentalizing you handlers is good for opsec
[15:55.22] <|343373|> they are related to the "magic square" you should find a connection more easily after see these 2
[15:56.55] <|343373|> Idk, for all I know they might release these hints in 11 days idk
[15:57.28] <|343373|> my these I mean how numbers work
[15:58.04] <Lurker6*> yeah they are interesting, all this square things are remionding me on matrices, that are fundamental for most phisics equations
[16:04.25] <Lurker6*> http://pubs.sciepub.com/ijp/2/6/1/image/equ5.png that thing is from quantum theory and it partly connects quantum theory with theory of relativity
[16:05.52] <|343373|> both quantum theory and theory of relativity are wrong approaches though.. so they will have a deadend in the end
[16:06.3*] <|343373|> By wrong I mean flawed.
[16:11.17] <Lurker6*> http://m75*.net/wordpress/?tag=dirac-and-geometry Pual Dirac, he was first one who found connection between Quantum Theory and Relativity
[16:12.26] <Lurker6*> Yeah those theories are "flawed", like newtons mechanics was also "flawed", those theories are just approximation of real reasons behind natural laws
[16:12.53] <Lurker6*> next step is string theory, but i dont really understand that yet
[16:14.30] <Lurker6*> i thnk that with every new theory concept we are getting closer and closer to true nature of things, but we will probbably never be able to understand the "essence" of everything
[16:15.04] <|343373|> They are all going around it but not touching it...
[16:17.43] <|343373|> The "approach" follows the nature(/laws) fully, as its a pure manifistation of them through numbers and mathematical operations. 3301 uses 1 of the many ways in which the approach can be used.
[16:18.51] <Lurker6*> our brains being made of matter following nature prinicples doesnt allow us to see outside of "it", or understand how things really work, even our imagination and mental constructs ares still just product of chemical and electrical processes in our brain, we cant escape our own reality
[16:20.07] <Lurker6*> we can use proven math laws to explain and predict nature, but that works only in one way, sort of like hash functions, you cant go back to see real reason why things work the way they work, but newtons and relativity equations produce correct results
[16:20.43] <|343373|> we are that reality though. and that reality follows the exact same rules. is made of exact same rules. the patterns repeat the same way on every possible level.
[16:23.18] <|343373|> if you understand your self, you will understand the universe and its rules. The approach is one of the ways to do so. Remember the Koan on page ~07.jpg
[16:25.11] <Lurker6*> so we can say that there is force called gravity, and that gravity is bending of space, and that gravity is whatever string theory says it is... all those claims are correct in limitation of our own brain or existance, we just use aparatus we have to oserve tru word, but our aparatus will always lie about true basis of things
[16:26.30] <Lurker6*> sort of like sight, we see colours, that are beautifull and follow some rules and everything, but true nature behind them is electromagnetic radiation
[16:27.20] <Lurker6*> or if we use some aparatus to measure nature like thermometer, we can se the temperature that follows thermodinamical laws, but true nature of thing is vibration of atoms in matter
[16:27.23] <|343373|> no, true nature behind them is the patterns and configurations by which they form and which they follow
[16:28.14] <|343373|> the true nature behind the patterns are the rule of their existence. and the rules of their existence is "The ALL"
[16:2*.10] <Lurker6*> yeah, you can alwas go one step further, to find more truie nature, if you can find real essence idk, maybe that is your approach of patterns maybe not, i am not sure about that yet
[16:30.57] <Lurker6*> maybe patterns are last step, idk, but i believe that we cant really grasp the final step, so that would make me think that there might be something even beyond patterns
[16:31.52] <Lurker6*> randomness and infinity are two things that doesnt fit patterns well, but we dont know if they can exist outside of conceptual thought
[16:33.53] <|343373|> the patterns and their rules are the last step possible in our 4d universe. everything that is, and that is possible in this universe is only a miniscule part of "The ALL" which is behind the patterns and their rules.
[16:38.37] <|343373|> Last step as in, in comprehension.
[16:3*.51] <|343373|> The most basic fundamental step in our universe.
[16:41.42] <Lurker6*> i assume that your 4d universe predates our known universe that exists since big bang, that would make patterns exist before big bang and before start of our space and our time
[16:42.18] <Lurker6*> also 4d univers explains how "almost infinity" can exist in 3d space
[16:42.25] <|343373|> For something to be possible, the most important thing is the approach, if the approach is following the purest form possible in our universe then with that approach anything that is possible in our universe becomes possible.
[16:42.41] <Lurker6*> by almost infinity i think about never stop expanding
[16:43.4*] <|343373|> 4d universe, the 4th-d is space and infinity of 3d in it
[16:44.44] <Lurker6*> but there is always posibility that you can see space as 5d, and then your approach that explains everything in 4d would not work anyomore, you would need additional step
[16:44.51] <|343373|> if looking from 5d universe. our 1 4d universe is one of many which we would call parallel universes
[16:46.08] <|343373|> does it make more sense now?
[16:46.41] <|343373|> 5d has infinity of 4d in it.
[16:48.17] <Lurker6*> yeah i understand infinity how in n dimmension could exist if observed from n+1 dimmension
[16:48.55] <|343373|> everything in our space can be broken into infinity of 3d you will always find another smaller 3d form. this univrse from inside is expressed purely as 3d. inside 3d there can be infinity of 2d and in 2d infinity of 1d, in 1d infinity of nothing
[16:50.22] <|343373|> our mind, thoughts and other things are still electrons(as a standing wave in a unique configuration). which is still 3d form inside a 4d space.
[16:52.10] <Lurker6*> it think its called, shore lenght paradox, if you measure a shore of an island very preciselly, so you go around all the bays and peninsulas, then you can go around smaller crevices, then around each grain of sand, then around each atom...; circumference would be approaching infinity in lenght (1d) while surface of island stays constant (2d)
[16:52.48] <|343373|> no it is still 3d
[16:53.00] <|343373|> everything in existence inthis universe is 3d
[16:53.36] <|343373|> inside the 3d you can have infinity of 2d. but everything that exists in this space has to be 3d
[16:54.26] <Lurker6*> shore lenght paradox jsut shows how infinite 1d can exist in 2d, you can extrapolate that to infinate 2d in 3d, or infinate nd in (n+1)d
[16:54.28] <|343373|> for existence of 2d there must be a 3d inside which the 2d is
[16:55.30] <|343373|> so everything 3d is inside a 4d (we are 3d so our space is 4d)
[16:58.53] <|343373|> looking at something in a different dimmension, isnt showing a true dimmension. it just adds same dimmension configuration in a more complex way.
[17:00.01] <Lurker6*> in reality you need one more dimmension to fit previous dimmension onto yes, like dot (0d) needs line(1d) to put it on, line(1d) needs surface(2d) to put it on, surface(2d) needs 3d space to put it in ...
[17:00.03] <|343373|> circumference of 3d is in 3d, the circumference of 2d is in 2d.
[17:00.20] <|343373|> yes
[17:00.34] <|343373|> not a 3d space
[17:00.38] <|343373|> a 3d form.
[17:00.47] <|343373|> surface needs a form
[17:02.00] <|343373|> 3d = form, inside 4d(space, 1 higher level than a form)
[17:02.13] <|343373|> (1 higher level than a 3d form*)
[17:02.43] <Lurker6*> but in math it works without that one higher dimmension, surface of 2 dimmensional object is 2 dimmensional number, by multiplying two one dimmensional sides of square you get its surface without any need for for including 3d in equation
[17:04.04] <|343373|> no you do it in 2d aleady. theres no 2d object. only 3d can be object
[17:04.41] <Lurker6*> well its surface not object,  shape is correct term
[17:04.55] <|343373|> surface can only be of a form
[17:05.05] <|343373|> shape is 3d
[17:05.2*] <|343373|> 2d shape is a 2d surface on a 3d shape.
[17:08.45] <Lurker6*> yeah but you are materializing it, by putting shape of square on something, if you take only idea of square you can calculate what would its surface be (if it would exist in 3d form)
[17:08.4*] <|343373|> "two one dimmensional sides of square" meaning its already 2d on a 3d before you look at the 1d in it.
[17:0*.11] <|343373|> figurative terms are 3d too.
[17:0*.47] <|343373|> everything in existence is 3d just on a different scale/frequency.
[17:10.15] <|343373|> (in existence as in, inside our universe)
[17:11.23] <|343373|> "Idea" is a 3d form too.
[17:11.46] <|343373|> "understanding", "information"  etc... are all 3d.
[17:12.15] <|343373|> "feeling" is 3d too in its nature.
[17:13.58] <|343373|> even "posibility" itself is 3d too.
[17:14.16] <Lurker6*> "in existance" yes, but math can deal with concepts that dont exist, equation for surface a*a=a^2 doesnt have any 3d part, until you actually try to build material object to represent that surface, then yes you need 3d space to place 2d shape in it
[17:14.24] <|343373|> its hard to understand but once you understand the approach it will start to make sense
[17:15.52] <|343373|> okay let me correct my self. Anything in existence and not in existence(but is possibility in our universe, including every possible idea) is 3D.
[17:16.40] <|343373|> Every possible(if its not possible you wouldnt be able to think of it) concepts is 3d.
[17:17.01] <|343373|> concept*
[17:18.25] <Lurker6*> if idea and understandin are 3d, is "idea of understanding" 4d form then?
[17:18.42] <|343373|> the thing on which the idea/concept exists, be it mind or expression, is the 3d for the idea/concept.
[17:1*.13] <|343373|> no
[17:1*.1*] <|343373|> its just naother 3d
[17:1*.23] <|343373|> another*
[17:1*.36] <Lurker6*> i was joking
[17:1*.58] <Lurker6*> but dot by itself, as only concept or idea of dot, disregarding its position in space, is 0d
[17:1*.58] <|343373|> 3d can infinitly combine and infinitely divide inside a 4d(space)
[17:21.05] <|343373|> no, dot is 1d
[17:21.22] <|343373|> as a concept
[17:21.35] <|343373|> but a 3d in reality.
[17:21.52] <|343373|> you look at the 3d dot as 1d
[17:21.55] <|343373|> but its still a 3d
[17:24.46] <|343373|> but I agree... but a concept must also have a dimension to exist in. just like number base. digits can exist only inside the numeral system base, to up base n-1
[17:26.31] <Lurker6*> i agree that dot is 3d in reality, but fundamentally it should be 0d not 1d, at least according to this math theorem:
[17:26.32] <|343373|> 1-* are forms inside a space limited to base10. (0 being nothing within the space, the matter of space itself in a fully passive mode)
[17:26.47] <Lurker6*> One Dimension: Once you connect two points, you get a one-dimensional object ? a line segment. A line segment has one dimension: length. Two Dimensions: A flat plane or shape is two-dimensional. Its two dimensions are length and width.
[17:27.1*] <|343373|> you have 2 dimentions in - aready though
[17:27.55] <|343373|> A line must be 2 dimensional.
[17:28.30] <Lurker6*> well its just a matter of how you formulate things, but commonly accepted rule in math is that dot is 0d, line 2d, and so on
[17:28.41] <|343373|> A dot within the line, must be 1d. and as the dot being the most basic form, theres nothing inside the dot.
[17:28.44] <Lurker6*> line 1d*
[17:2*.31] <|343373|> most basic something* not form
[17:2*.57] <|343373|> That why they hit so many walls and deadends all the time
[17:30.04] <|343373|> because their approach is wrong :)
[17:30.2*] <Lurker6*> yeah your dimmensinal naming includes condition that observed object must exist, while in mathematical notation that isnt necessary
[17:31.18] <|343373|> but it does... it exists in their math...
[17:31.26] <|343373|> thats the point of it...
[17:31.41] <|343373|> no matter if it exists in physical form or not
[17:31.46] <|343373|> it follows the same rules
[17:31.57] <|343373|> non physical is just as 3d as physical
[17:32.42] <|343373|> physical just means that the matter of space is condensed into a hard matter.
[17:33.37] <|343373|> also it exists in their idea already if they thought of it. so its bound by the same rules
[17:33.5*] <|343373|> you cant exclude the rules and try to make it work.
[17:34.06] <Lurker6*> using different notation for naming dimmensions doesnt change any rules, its just different how they name things, what you call 1d they call 0d, but its the same dimmension in principle
[17:35.12] <Lurker6*> they name the dimmension after the  exponent n in (measure of unit)^n
[17:36.00] <Lurker6*> cm^2 is 2d for conventional math, cm^3 is 3d
[17:36.22] <|343373|> no thats the point. it already doesnt follow the rules if you dont approach it correctly. you will reach a dead end. nstead of getting the right pattern you will get only a portion of it then there will be a deadend with no possibility to continue unless you break throught by force which breaks the right approach even more and creates more deadends
[17:37.08] <|343373|> cm^2 is 2d for conventional math, cm^3 is 3d correct.
[17:37.20] <|343373|> thats why a dot is 1d
[17:3*.3*] <Lurker6*> conventional math: surface > cm^2 is 2d          line >  cm^1 is 1d            dot > cm^0  is 0d
[17:3*.5*] <Lurker6*> your notation: surface > cm^2 is 3d          line >  cm^1 is 2d            dot > cm^0  is 1d
[17:40.06] <Lurker6*> isnt that right?
[17:40.48] <|343373|> line is already 2d since you move along a axis.
[17:41.25] <|343373|> a dot(1d) does not have a axis to move along.
[17:42.45] <|343373|> you have beginning point and end point of the line = you have an axis which has a direction of movement already.
[17:43.33] <|343373|> so its a 2d. cm^2 is a complete 2d.
[17:44.48] <|343373|> the ability to move in a direction allows it to have x and y
[17:45.10] <|343373|> 3d is when it moves outward
[17:45.25] <|343373|> 4d when it moves inward(deepening)
[17:46.31] <|343373|> inwards as in through
[17:46.3*] <|343373|> outwards as in shape
[17:48.28] <Lurker6*> yeah i have seen those 4d cube simulations, that are not very helpfull actually since it doesnt work as it is presented in animation
[17:4*.18] <|343373|> dot is 1d, cm is 2d, cm^2 is complete 2d. cm^3+(3 or higher than 3) = 3d
[17:4*.3*] <|343373|> those are not real 4d
[17:4*.42] <|343373|> they are 3d
[17:51.11] <|343373|> its very hard to understand 4d...
[17:51.42] <|343373|> imagine space expanding inwards and growing(deepening) while the outer form stays the same.
[17:51.48] <|343373|> thats pretty much 4d
[17:53.46] <Lurker6*> how 3d expands to 4d is same concept of how 2d expands to 3d, you cant use 2d concepts to explain 3d, so 4d actually doesnt expand "inwards" it jsut expands into new space that doesnt exist in 3d
[17:53.47] <|343373|> outer form stays the same size while the inside grows(by deepening of its inner space).
[17:54.2*] <|343373|> it exists in every form
[17:54.34] <Lurker6*> its like jump from real ti imaginary numbers, suddenly you have new propperty that allows new way to grow a number
[17:55.05] <|343373|> you seen it in patterns
[17:55.38] <|343373|> between patterns can deepen and create a huges space made of patterns
[17:55.41] <|343373|> huge*
[17:55.5*] <|343373|> and it can do the same backward, it can combine until it becomes nothing
[17:56.50] <|343373|> the original pattern stays the same though
[17:56.55] <|343373|> it doesnt change in the process
[17:57.12] <|343373|> the space inside of it can grow to any size at will
[17:57.46] <|343373|> the way that "space" works is the same rules as by which 4d works
[18:00.51] <|343373|> 5d is 4d inside 3d, you can do the same with 3d, 2d  and 1d too then it goes back into 0d(nothing) then when you do it with 0d it becomes everything(beyond infinity numberbase n-1)
[18:02.02] <|343373|> because its all cyclical and interconnected.
[18:03.36] <|343373|> nothing, everything and all dimensions are "The ALL"
[18:03.3*] <Lurker6*> hmm i am abit lost at that deepening of inner space of pattern
[18:04.14] <Lurker6*> also i dont understand why you used term "complete 2d" for cm^2 ehich represents measure of surface in my world
[18:05.07] <Lurker6*> why you dont jump one dimmension up from line to surface, but you jump one dimmensioon up from surface to volume
[18:05.10] <|343373|> Ill try to explain it better later kk? dont confuse yourself with this atm.. You should try to focus on LP for now instead of all of these things, because I really dont know what the count down is for. And I wouldnt want you to lose a chance because of all of these talks..
[18:06.13] <|343373|> It can be inside if you deepen into a matter. every 2d can grow into a 3d. every 1d can grow into a 2d and a 3d
[18:07.00] <|343373|> every 1d, 2d, 3d can be deepened into an inner space (4d)
[18:0*.37] <|343373|> the 1d, 2d, 3d will stay the same, they wont change in their appearence when they get deeper, the space 'inside' them will grow deeper though
[18:10.26] <|343373|> their outer appearance wont change. their inside will grow.
[18:10.33] <|343373|> thats what 4d is
[18:11.25] <|343373|> if the 4d parameter is getting higher. (the space can get less deep is the parameter is going lower)
[18:11.4*] <|343373|> less deep if*
[18:14.41] <Lurker6*> yeah adding new parameter adds new dimmension, thats how i understand dimmensions
[18:15.12] <|343373|> every new parameter has all the ones before it inside of it.
[18:16.1*] <|343373|> 1* 4d = 1* (x,y,z,a(x,y,z, a(...)))
[18:17.08] <|343373|> 1* 5d = 1* (a(x,y,z,a) * infinity)
[18:22.13] <|343373|> Inside of our 4d universe we cannot comprehend anything beyond the 5d. and cannot understand anything beyond 4d nor exprerience anything beyond 3d
[18:22.44] <|343373|> sec slight typo
[18:26.12] <|343373|> Inside of our 4d universe we cannot comprehend anything beyond the 5d. and cannot express anything beyond 4d nor experience anything beyond 3d.
[18:26.17] <|343373|> There
[18:27.16] <|343373|> "1* 5d = 1* (a(x,y,z,a) * infinity)" is an attempt to express, its impossible to fully express it though... unlike 4d.
[18:2*.06] <Lurker6*> shouldnt it be "1* 5d = 1* (b(x,y,z,a) * infinity)"? why would a of 5th dimmension have same value that last parameter of 4th dimmension?
[18:2*.35] <|343373|> no its infinity of 4d
[18:2*.42] <|343373|> 4d as a form
[18:30.14] <|343373|> we cant express it as a form because we can only experience up 3rd as a form
[18:30.25] <|343373|> 3d*
[18:34.12] <Lurker6*> why are then mutiplying a*(x,y,z,a) then, it should be without first a
[18:34.50] <|343373|> a is the parameter of 4d
[18:35.3*] <|343373|> there x, y, z *infinity and a(x,y,z) inside each of the xyz parameters.
[18:36.07] <|343373|> in 4d
[18:37.24] <|343373|> 5d cant be expressed
[18:37.50] <|343373|> (by us as 3d forms)
[18:3*.06] <|343373|> we can only attempt to express it
[18:3*.25] <|343373|> to be able to comprehend it slightly
[18:43.52] <|343373|> ... Sigh... Look in solvers... they didnt even read what you explained... LOL...
[18:52.47] <Lurker6*> ah well, but it is true that 7/7=? is not intuitive becasue / doesnt present divsion but its more like 7th number in /7 pattern, as i understand it
[18:52.56] <Lurker6*> anyways
[18:53.1*] <|343373|> it is division, not of whole 1's though.
[18:54.00] <|343373|> 7/7 in a not prime division is 1.
[18:55.10] <Lurker6*> yeah but in prime division it is 6
[18:55.54] <Lurker6*> what do you mean by "not whole ones"? (7*0.***...)/7?
[18:55.55] <|343373|> because of how prime division works. they happens in electricity and magnetism too.
[18:56.10] <|343373|> happen*
[18:57.21] <|343373|> you look at division as subtraction.
[18:57.5*] <|343373|> division has subtraction inside of it but it is not subtraction.
[18:58.42] <|343373|> 4d(Deepening) uses prime division.
[1*:00.04] <|343373|> 4d(space/deepening)*
[1*:01.02] <|343373|> "fields" operate using prime and root divisions
[1*:04.23] <Lurker6*> also you are talking here strictly about dimensions of space, only parametter you are adding is  measure of distance (2d) and  (surface (complete 2d) , volume (3d), volume*cm (complete 3d or 4d?),...), i notice you are not including time as a dimension, most scientists agree that time is 4th dimension, while string theorists operate with 11 or 26 dimensions by adding more parameters
[1*:04.54] <Lurker6*>  i still dont understand your concept of "complete 2d"
[1*:05.43] <Lurker6*> is cm^4 complete 3d or 4d?
[1*:06.07] <|343373|> Time is a figurative term. theres no time. what is called time is simply the observed difference between processes
[1*:06.08] <Lurker6*> or are all cm^n when n>3 just 3d?
[1*:06.52] <|343373|> cm^3+ = 3d, cm^4 = 3d, cm^5 = 3d ...
[1*:07.04] <|343373|> yes
[1*:07.07] <Lurker6*> but you need time for movement, dont you? and acceleration too
[1*:07.23] <|343373|> no, you need movement for time difference
[1*:07.38] <Lurker6*> without time universe is static
[1*:07.44] <|343373|> movement doesnt need time, it is when you have 2 difference movements that you notice "time"
[1*:08.32] <Lurker6*> ok you can jump from one place in space to another with infinite acceleration in no time, theoretically
[1*:08.41] <|343373|> yes
[1*:0*.45] <|343373|> not jump, just move there, by deepening thought a pattern in space
[1*:0*.54] <|343373|> thought a connected pattern
[1*:0*.5*] <|343373|> all patterns are connected though
[1*:10.42] <|343373|> you just control the entering and exiting point inside the point youre in and youll be in the point in space that you want.
[1*:11.10] <|343373|> electrons are just 1 energy thats present where its needed
[1*:11.33] <|343373|> its everywhere and its nowhere, its a particle and its a wave
[1*:12.47] <|343373|> and it is - charged space(or matter of space or 4d coordinate)
[1*:15.31] <|343373|> (3) = electron(lack of energy in need for energy to stablize the space), (6) = energy within a proton
[1*:20.54] <|343373|> Electron is a swallowing(-, negative charge) force that surrounds the proton(+, positive charge)
[1*:22.50] <|343373|> Neutron is an active (*), while Space is a passive (*)
[1*:25.18] <Lurker6*> what about quarks?
[1*:27.17] <Lurker6*> also you claim that gravity or spherical planets dont exist, yet you are fine with subatomical particles as explained by conventional chemistry
[1*:27.43] <|343373|> Thats another pattern or maneral system at that point
[1*:27.48] <|343373|> numeral*
[1*:28.23] <Lurker6*> but never mind that, try to enlighten me on "complete n-dimension"
[1*:28.30] <Lurker6*> dot is 1d (only beginning point but no axis to move along), length (cm) is 2d (because it has direction and movement along just 1 axis), then surface (cm^2) is "complete 2d" (because it has 2 directions and movement covering whole 2d infinite plane); and volume (cm^3) is 3d or "complete 3d"? (because its should have 4d (3 directions and movement); i dont get why cm is 2d, cm^2 is "complete 2d" and cm^3 is 3d; it seems inconsistent, jump from cm to cm^2 has same nature as jump from cm^2 to cm^3, yet you dont add another full dimension to first jump
[1*:28.33] <|343373|> Hey I never said that their view on electrons, protons and neutrons is right
[1*:2*.1*] <|343373|> I just said electrons are a space swallowing force thats is everywhere and surrounds all positive charge trying to get it to stabilize itself
[1*:31.35] <|343373|> okay ill do it this way...anything that is only 1 can only be 1d, do you agree?
[1*:32.08] <|343373|> something taht is only the most primitive 1
[1*:32.10] <|343373|> that*
[1*:32.15] <|343373|> 1d
[1*:32.20] <|343373|> do you agree?
[1*:33.01] <Lurker6*> yes
[1*:33.41] <|343373|> anything that is more than 1 no matter by how much nor how small but less than 2, is 2d because its no longer that "1"
[1*:34.01] <|343373|> do you agree?
[1*:35.16] <Lurker6*> ok
[1*:36.01] <|343373|> anything that is ^2 but not yet ^3 is 2d, do you agree?
[1*:43.30] <|343373|> anything that is ^3 is 3d, do you agree? anything that is ^n>3 is the same 3d in another angle/perspective/configuration/position, makes it still a 3d do you agree? Can you express 4d as a form to show a 4th dimension of something and not a 3d of it? (in this universe where form can exist only up to 3d, once its 3d no matter how many axes or face positions you give it it will stay the same 3d)
[1*:44.34] <|343373|> Does that make it a little more clear?
[1*:44.5*] <Lurker6*> i am trying to wrap my head around it
[1*:46.12] <Lurker6*> at jump from 1d to 2d condition was that it is less than two,  now you are multiplying ^2... if you multiply numbers that are less then two you can get more than 2
[1*:46.57] <|343373|> its not jumping, its starting at a 1d and gradually growing into 3d then staying in the 3d form because its the most stable form in this universe
[1*:47.3*] <|343373|> theres no condition of less than 2
[1*:47.58] <|343373|> i just said it to make more that its less than 2 still but no longer a 1
[1*:51.54] <|343373|> i mean it as, its 2d even if its less than 2, because its already more than 1.
[1*:52.51] <Lurker6*> so 1d doesnt have any interval it exists only at precisely 1, 2d has interval from 1 up to n^3, and 3d has interval from n^3 up to n^n
[1*:53.0*] <|343373|> yes
[1*:53.17] <|343373|> exactly
[1*:54.33] <Lurker6*> thats quote different than convention understanding of dimensions where adding new  measurable parameter no matter which one adds another dimension
[1*:54.44] <|343373|> I know that
[20:01.28] <|343373|> mathematically a good example of it would be base4(as 4d), you have 1, 2 and 3 but once you reach 3(3d), no matter what number you multiply by it you will have dr 3(3d)
[20:02.0*] <|343373|> just like * in a base10
[20:04.33] <Lurker6*> aham
[20:04.58] <|343373|> makes sense now?
[20:07.43] <Lurker6*> yeah
[20:08.06] <|343373|> kk good, now throw that aside for now, it has nothing to do with LP atm what so ever...
[20:0*.07] <|343373|> (with 3301 idk, but its not related to LP)
[20:10.32] <|343373|> We can talk about these things next month if you want, or if you decide to give up on solving LP before then, because idk what will happen once the countdown is over, and I dont want to misdirect you with these talks.. lol
[20:12.46] <Lurker6*> its just fun to play with concepts and different views on things
[20:13.13] <|343373|> Oh kk
[20:15.07] <Lurker6*> but i dont agree with you on everything, i am never buying idea that flight over north pole is in any way different than flight over south pole
[20:15.32] <|343373|> over the POLE is same
[20:15.54] <|343373|> over the hemisphere is different
[20:16.52] <|343373|> both poles have the same magneic *0 degree radius
[20:17.41] <|343373|> the south pole space is 'abit' more squeezed than the north one though
[20:20.03] <Lurker6*> magnetic field around the earth is determined by the way earth spins, if it would be spinnig in oposite direction N could be where today S is, plus magnetic poles was reversed in history many times
[20:21.10] <Lurker6*> magnetic field of earth doesnt have much to do with fabric of space, it is just a product of spinning earth with fluid core that causes effect similar to electrical generatror
[20:22.17] <|343373|> "magnetic field of earth" is a by product of the bending of space
[20:22.26] <Lurker6*> and due to heat convection in earth core think also
[20:23.36] <|343373|> Sorry I will not go into details about this again so lets just agree to disagree for now, because its too much to explain for it to make enough sense and Im too tired for it today
[20:24.51] <Lurker6*> does space bends around every other object in space too? or around small spere you can hold in hand? and what about other shapes like cube?
[20:25.08] <|343373|> yes around every object
[20:25.2*] <|343373|> around from outside of that objects energy field
[20:27.27] <|343373|> more soft structured and connected the object is the more sphere shaped it will be.
[20:28.31] <Lurker6*> and what determines the direction of magnetic field of earth then? when magnetic field of earth was reversed that would call for reverse direction of space wrapping too
[20:2*.33] <|343373|> the harder(condensed) and more connected the object is, the more flat or crystallized the object will be.
[20:2*.5*] <Lurker6*> yeah sphere can fit the most volume in the least surface, thats why water drops, cells, planets... tend to be spherical
[20:30.22] <Lurker6*> and crystal stuctures have straight ages and faces
[20:30.34] <Lurker6*> at least there we agree
[20:30.50] <|343373|> the more water you have the more flat it will try to be
[20:33.47] <|343373|> in 0 gravity the water wont float like they show, it can get spherical shape only if external pressure from all sides is applied.
[20:34.0*] <Lurker6*> but water is soft and connected at room temperatures, it should form spere shapes according to your pevious statement
[20:34.25] <|343373|> in 0 gravity the water would split in all directions like in vacuum
[20:34.48] <Lurker6*> 0 gravity, water forms sphere at 0 gravity due to surfice tension, at leat thats what i have bee ntaught
[20:34.58] <|343373|> it forms sphere the closer it is for boiling point.
[20:35.07] <|343373|> to boiling point*
[20:35.27] <|343373|> or if it cant touch anything
[20:37.33] <|343373|> Ive already experimented with 0gravity, it doesnt behave the way you were taught. the videos from space use air pressured chamber to get the floating sphere/bubble effect.
[20:38.00] <Lurker6*> but i thing that if you add drop of water to bigger ball of watter in 0 gravity it gets consumed, sort of like marcury if you play wit it tends to form one round drop, until it reaches boiling point,
[20:38.42] <|343373|> in 0 gravity there should be 0 pressure.
[20:3*.02] <|343373|> (0 outside pressure)
[20:3*.14] <Lurker6*> there is also evaporation which is more like you are explaining
[20:3*.18] <|343373|> you need the pressure to have a sphere
[20:3*.54] <Lurker6*> and at 0 pressure there is alot of evaporation, since nothing is pushing on water molecules
[20:40.11] <Lurker6*> and yes for surface tension i think you need some outside pressure
[20:40.1*] <|343373|> You do it within our atmosphere... thats why you get those effects
[20:40.54] <|343373|> in "0" gravity it would act different.
[20:41.00] <|343373|> but the thing is...
[20:41.04] <|343373|> theres no "gravity"
[20:43.03] <|343373|> its a different effect. its a magnetic sychronized frequency effect. once you desynchronize it or flip its polarity, the object will appear will have the thing you'd call "anti gravity" effect
[20:44.0*] <|343373|> will appear to have/will have*
[20:46.31] <Lurker6*> i dont really believe that egyptians were able to made thair stones float, but i can see that in universe that is accelerating at expansion there is some other force opposite of gravity involved, dark energy as its called
[20:50.01] <Lurker6*> but two objects of matter in space, that are curving the time and space around eacother attracts each other with some force, we can call that force gravity and it actually exists, what trully causes it is different question to which dont have answer yet, could be synchronized frequency, i dont know much about string theory and i havent seen any deeper theories so i wont go deep into that
[20:50.07] <|343373|> Just call it "ether" its the passive (*) or matetr of space itself
[20:50.13] <|343373|> matter*
[20:51.56] <Lurker6*> actually they recently experimentally proved existance of gravitational waves, didnt they? they observed two black holes coliding and detected minute fluctuation in space time here on earth because of it
[20:54.32] <|343373|> Science complicated things into something that cannot be fully confirm other than in their model that is based on their theories and say the rest is mystery that they cant explain because its "dark matter"  for no reason... well.. more like so that their theories dont get falsified...
[20:55.22] <Lurker6*> LIGO is the labaratory that uses laser to measure distance in two *0° apart directions, and in one way distance fluctuated a bit
[20:56.13] <Lurker6*> so yeah gravity has something to do with waves and frequncies as everything other does
[20:56.1*] <|343373|> thats not gravitational waves as the ones they say affect the planet. those are just huge (3)(negative changed) holes that try to swallow energy to neutralize themselves
[20:56.41] <Lurker6*> and yes you are right dark matter and dark force are just names for things we can detect but cant explain yet
[20:57.44] <|343373|> (negative charged*
[20:58.51] <|343373|> "gravity"(pulling force) has everything to do with frequencies
[21:00.41] <|343373|> the question you gotta ask is frequencies of what.
[21:01.25] <Lurker6*> yes, gravitational waves around planets have bigger amplitudes, but they are also waves, detection of this slight fluctuation proved that gravity has same properties as any other waves for first time
[21:02.06] <|343373|> it is the synchronized magnetic frequency difference between matter of space and the condensed matter of space (plane)
[21:03.36] <|343373|> that magnetic pulse allows the more condensed matter to attract the less condensed matter by magnetic impulses.
[21:05.4*] <|343373|> the less condensed the less effect the impulse has, the more condesed the more effect, because more matter is affected.
[21:05.5*] <|343373|> condensed*
[21:0*.53] <|343373|> as in, more condensed the more ability to attract less condensed. while less condensed is less affected by the impulse of the more condensed. in the end both the more condesed and the less condensed get affected the same, as long as they are less dense than the matter thats pulling them to it.
[21:13.20] <|343373|> if the dense matter is flat then the impulse will be equally distributed along its surface in a straight beam outwards behavior and every point will attract with roughly the same force.
[21:14.13] <|343373|> There are points where the bending of space can affect and neutralize the impulse effect sometimes.
[21:17.30] <|343373|> These impulses are happening constantly. and are also responsible for magnetic poles of everything.
[21:27.05] <Lurker6*> gravity is some sort of tension between empty space and condensed space (matter), bigger mass bigger force, bigger distance smaller force, size of the force is probably connected to amplitude or frequency of gravitational waves, there might be even some constant "carrier signal" which provides possibility of propagation of gravitational information, frequency of carrier wave in this case must come from some other property of fabric of space/time, i would expect that frequency is constant through whole universe
[21:27.1*] <Lurker6*> but your theory also makes sense
[21:28.55] <Lurker6*> i am not sure if gravity and magnetism are the same thing, gravity seems to be the most influnced by mass, while magnetic properties of material can vastly differ from material to material no matter the density
[21:2*.37] <|343373|> Distence doesnt affect the attraction force. at any point within the attraction(impulse) field the effect will be the same
[21:2*.42] <Lurker6*> also we can make magnetic fields with electricty, and opposite, while we havent found the way to use gravity in the same way
[21:2*.53] <|343373|> Distance*
[21:31.21] <Lurker6*> but attraction force between two bodies is smalle when distance gets bigger, sun from far away galaxy that is bigger than our sun hardly influeces earth at all, while our smaller sun that is closer keeps us circling around it
[21:31.53] <|343373|> its the same thing... you just adjust the resonant frequency to the frequency of the object you want to affect, with comparison to the fequency of the planes(earths) magnetic impulse
[21:32.40] <|343373|> the sun cant affect the earth
[21:32.42] <Lurker6*> thats if gravity is propagating from spherical object, gravity from straignt plane would be constant i guess
[21:32.44] <|343373|> the space doesnt move
[21:33.08] <|343373|> the bending of space moves
[21:33.15] <|343373|> space it self stays still the whole time
[21:35.06] <Lurker6*> doesnt it expands exponentialy? space between galaxies is expanding, we can measure distances getting bigger in every direction with same speed
[21:35.20] <|343373|> no the space deepens
[21:35.38] <|343373|> its always equal and not affected by the deepening
[21:36.34] <|343373|> youre looking through a bent lens so it appears as if they move apart
[21:38.30] <Lurker6*> well distances between galaxies are getting bigger, we are explaining this as expansion of space
[21:3*.00] <|343373|> its deepening in the center, the outer circumference of the universe stays the same
[21:3*.06] <Lurker6*> and it doesnt matter if our lens are bent, as long as they are constantly bent they we should detect movement if there is one
[21:3*.40] <Lurker6*> doesnt outer cicumference expands with speed of light?
[21:3*.45] <|343373|> no
[21:41.31] <|343373|> The very center point of the universe gets deeper and deeper so theres 'more' space but the space outside of the center isnt affected
[21:42.14] <Lurker6*> so light doesnt travel out of already set limits of our universe? if outer cimcumferense stays the same then universe is limited by its size
[21:42.31] <Lurker6*> oh, yeah that could be the case, its expandin on the "inside"
[21:42.3*] <|343373|> why would it? if it did this world wouldve died by now
[21:43.2*] <|343373|> exactly... its expandin on the "inside"
[21:44.56] <Lurker6*> why would world die by now? you mean that everything would just dissipate outside if there would be no borders?
[21:45.42] <|343373|> if the energy would keep flowing out, the effect would keep multiplying then there would be no energy left for anything to exist...
[21:45.50] <|343373|> its like 0gravity - pressure
[21:45.56] <|343373|> 0pressure*
[21:46.15] <|343373|> everything tried to convert from solid to energy
[21:46.1*] <|343373|> tries*
[21:46.42] <|343373|> solid would not be able to exist
[21:47.15] <Lurker6*> yeah, but isnt that exactly what is happening according to accelerating expansion of the universe theory, we are slowly (well always faster) evaporating into nothingness
[21:47.18] <|343373|> there must be a fixed boundary thats applying a pressure on the inside by reflection
[21:48.14] <|343373|> otherwise a solid form cannot happen
[21:4*.07] <Lurker6*> but how do you explain that light that starts on earth never reaches outer border of universe then? is it becasue we are pulled "inside" so fat that light cant leave the place where it started?
[21:4*.25] <Lurker6*> so fast*
[21:50.20] <Lurker6*> i mean light should always travel with same speed in empty space, and should never stop, so it cant never reach border of  universe
[21:51.12] <|343373|> energy is emitted from the center outwards as a result of the deepening, it gets reflected by the outer boundary allowing density to exist
[21:51.1*] <Lurker6*> reaching border would mean it stops, and it can stop only if it hits some opaque matter, and border of space cant be made of matter
[21:54.05] <|343373|> light(/energy) is less dense particle, its affected by the magnetic impulse just like matter and mostly stays as a standing wave in the atmosphere and is either condensed into electricity transformed into magnetic force
[21:55.02] <|343373|> also the earth plane is almost infinity time bigger than what we think our planet is
[21:56.04] <|343373|> also the distances we see in outer space are not the true distances, they are an effect of the atmophere acting as a magnifying lens
[21:56.25] <|343373|> and also space bending lens at is
[21:56.28] <|343373|> at it*
[21:57.12] <Lurker6*> so outside of universe there is some force that reflects all energy back inside? including light, thermal radiation and such... idk, based on expansion we can observe density of energy is getting lower and lower, now if that is product of expanding univers on the outside or deepening on the inside... effect is the same, we are gonna get pulled appart eventually
[21:57.26] <|343373|> the border of the universe yes
[21:57.46] <|343373|> think of the universe as a perfect sphere
[21:58.06] <|343373|> due to the space bending effect
[21:58.27] <Lurker6*> we measure distances with telescopes on satelites that arent affected by atmoshere
[21:58.45] <|343373|> but in relaity its 4dimensional... you cant express a 4d force so its not possible to explain it atm
[21:58.52] <|343373|> reality*
[21:5*.3*] <|343373|> Lurker...
[22:00.48] <|343373|> Hubble Space Telescope doesnt exist. the rest are from within the atmosphere... also they all use only Near-infrared, visible light, ultraviolet. not photo.
[22:01.0*] <|343373|> they cant even be sure if they see a planet or a star really, it just a theory
[22:01.46] <Lurker6*> now you will say that there are no satellites and we never been on moon?
[22:02.45] <|343373|> did you know that GPS is on ground system that uses atmospheric relfection?
[22:03.28] <Lurker6*> how does TV, internt and GPS work then? and since its true i havent seen hubble telescope, i think that to claim it doesnt exist is pretty bald
[22:04.55] <Lurker6*> GPS doesnt use atmospheric reflection, only extremmely low frequency waves can do that, until GPS ships far from land didnt have any signal at all
[22:06.16] <|343373|> Huge 'Satellite' dishes that dont receive but emit frequencies reflecting them off the atmosphere to a huge radius...
[22:08.13] <|343373|> you cant send any kind of frequency to outside of the autmosphere.
[22:08.43] <|343373|> it gets trapped where the magnetic impulese('gravity') ends
[22:08.53] <|343373|> impulse*
[22:0*.38] <|343373|> you can only reflect it off it back to th earth
[22:11.3*] <|343373|> you cant fully leave the atmosphere without first cancelling you resonance with the impulse
[22:11.48] <|343373|> your*
[22:12.10] <Lurker6*> you can send light from earth through atmoshere just fine, atmoshere is not something spectacular its just thin  gas cloud sorrounding the planet, thats like claiming that if point flashlight from below the water you cant detect light on surface
[22:13.15] <Lurker6*> how can light penetrate the other way then, from sun and stars to surface?
[22:13.36] <Lurker6*> and we measure distance to the moon with laser, but you can say that just isnt true
[22:14.05] <|343373|> because its not in contact with the standing impulse
[22:14.21] <|343373|> once it becomes in contact the light gets trapped
[22:15.44] <|343373|> Sorry, lets just agree to disagree... :/
[22:18.10] <|343373|> If you want proof then research lightning sprites a bit. youll get what I mean then.
[22:1*.23] <Lurker6*> ok i have to go now anyways, see ya later
[22:1*.35] <|343373|> cya
[20:40.46] <|343373|> Any news?
[20:42.40] <Lurker6*> hi
[20:42.44] <Lurker6*> not much
[20:43.35] <Lurker6*> w1cwra1th got a little into patterns, but we didnt get far
[20:45.21] <|343373|> kk
[20:46.42] <|343373|> someone msged me saying ppl wanted to talk to me on solvers or something, that person isnt on so idk what its about...
[20:51.15] <Lurker6*> ill try to put few more pages of 0-17 into numbers to get what you called "whole first cipher pattern/encription"
[20:52.01] <Lurker6*> yeah it was form that discussion, they figured out that aptterns might lead somewhere and few were  pinging you in channel, but i guess you were not online
[20:54.13] <Lurker6*> they all want to go straignt to finding that onion you said is hidden in hex, three characters thing, and i was not able to convince them that there is no point in trying it  before we solve LP
[21:02.47] <|343373|> Not only you cant find the addresses for the onion without the LP but even if you get the jpg its useless to you till finish page 55.jpg of 00-57.. lol
[21:04.45] <Lurker6*> if i understood correctly, that onion from hex sting is one with 3301.jpg/mp3 that we already have since you or whoever posted link to file on /x/
[21:05.03] <|343373|> yes
[21:05.18] <Lurker6*> but there is another onion, the one with rules, that is also in LP, i guess thats the one that is hashed on second to last page
[21:05.27] <|343373|> but its useless to you unless you understand few things about it from the LP
[21:05.54] <Lurker6*> or LP doesnt lead to rules onion at all?
[21:05.54] <|343373|> You get the rules page after the 3301.jpg
[21:06.42] <|343373|> There are 2 ways to get to the rules page there actually.. one with and one without the jpg
[21:07.18] <Lurker6*> ok, so hashed onion on page 56 is one with 3301.jpg or one with rules?
[21:07.5*] <|343373|> more than 1 onion
[21:0*.05] <|343373|> the fake jpg(gif), the real jpg, the rules page and something else
[21:12.40] <Lurker6*> what is actually hashed there? one onion address or all of those addresse you mentioned? LP sasy "it exists A page that hashes to"
[21:20.55] <|343373|> Well lets say its a 1 SHA-512 hash page. but its related to all the others.
[21:23.00] <|343373|> Worry about it when you get to 55.jpg
[21:28.41] <Lurker6*> 'related'  ?_?
[21:2*.27] <|343373|> LOL just nvm, it may and may not be just 1 hash. nvm it for now.

[06:08:4*] <|343373|> any news?
[06:3*:50] <Lurker6*> hi
[06:42:03] <Lurker6*> no epiphany yet, but i am eliminating possibilities
[06:44:10] <Lurker6*> ether8unny found some few intersting things, but doesnt seem to be too helpful
[06:45:22] <Lurker6*> digital roots of all runes comes as 1, 4, 2, 8, 5, 7, and few 3s, when you consider their prime values
[06:45:50] <Lurker6*> but thats no big surprize since prime values cant have digital root 3 6 or *
[06:46:02] <Lurker6*> with exception of  prime 3
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[05:45:53] <|343373|> Hey did you atleast find the first pattern? (of the first 17 pages?)
[05:46:45] <Lurker6*> hi
[05:46:57] <Lurker6*> yeah i know all about first 17 pages now
[05:47:15] <Lurker6*> am looking at magic squares for past two days, but haven found any connection yet
[05:48:25] <|343373|> You found the pattern that goes from the first page to the last of the first 17 though? (the whole connected patetrn?)
[05:48:32] <|343373|> pattern*
[05:4*:26] <Lurker6*> well i dont know how to put pages to pattern but i understand encryption of every single page and rune
[05:50:18] <|343373|> I mean the pattern those pages cipher follows
[05:51:18] <|343373|> (without the keys/key words)
[05:51:47] <Lurker6*> i have written down encryptions in few different ways, but no apparent pattern jumps to me
[05:52:11] <|343373|> ... :/
[05:52:58] <Lurker6*> like DIUINITY one has shifts (that gors to runes in ciphertext) for 6 1* 28 1* 20 1* 13 3
[05:54:21] <Lurker6*> and FIRFUMFERENFE one has 2* 1* 25 2* 28 10 2* 11 25 11 20 2* 11
[05:55:3*] <Lurker6*> both have few shifts that repeat few times (1* at first one and 2* at second) for some time, but not thole time
[05:56:22] <|343373|> So you have found the pattern yet...
[05:56:26] <|343373|> havent*
[05:57:25] <Lurker6*> and that cipher is applied for pages 5, 6 and 15, 16
[05:57:30] <Lurker6*> no i havent :(
[05:57:45] <|343373|> try to look for both + and - directions, sometimes it can go +-+-+-..... and sometimes it can go ++--++--... or maybe even ++-+--+-++-........
[05:5*:11] <Lurker6*> hmm
[05:5*:48] <|343373|> (the + - direction pattern must be constant/fixed pattern that repeats in cycles though)
[06:01:38] <|343373|> Im giving you a huge hint there btw, Im not sure if its okay for me to say that much, but meh... Just keep it to yourself for now...(or atleast until you find the pattern yourself)
[06:03:06] <Lurker6*> ok, so direction can change
[06:10:04] <|343373|> It has to change to find the pattern ^^
[06:11:12] <|343373|> Otherwise it would be too easy wouldnt it? (normally you wouldnt think of combining directions into a pattern would you? :P )
[06:18:41] <Lurker6*> no i havent think about changing directions in single cipher until now, now i have few more possibilities
[06:24:12] <|343373|> kk good :)
[06:43:24] <Lurker6*> what did you mean by >is not safe nor secure, but a signature..
[06:43:38] <Lurker6*> are you implaying that signature is safe and secure?
[06:43:54] <Lurker6*> or that encryption is nothing more than signature?
[06:46:18] <|343373|> any encryption is nothing more than signature, math is 100% cyclical.
[07:17:23] <Lurker6*> i quit
[07:17:51] <Lurker6*> i am not seeing patterns in those two vigenere ciphers, but i am not equipped to recognize patterns in base 30 anyways, i need to rewrite my notes to excel later
[07:18:26] <|343373|> k.. :/
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[1*:01:08] <|343373|> *3 > 36*36*36*, *6 > 63*63*63*, ** > *********
[1*:01:34] <|343373|>  /3 > 36* 6*3 147 471 714 258 582 825 36*
[1*:02:04] <|343373|>  /6 > 741 3*6 528 63* 852 174 285 417 63*
[1*:50:22] <|343373|> ... Lol just give me access, ill correct it
[1*:50:47] <|343373|> oh good nvm
[1*:51:35] <Lurker6*> i am already fixing it, but ill give you access anyways
[1*:51:47] <|343373|> still wrong actually, the order of the digits is wrong
[1*:52:55] <|343373|> 3,6,* 6,*,3 1,4,7 4,7,1 7,1,4 2,5,8 5,8,2 8,2,5 3,6,*
[1*:53:17] <|343373|> 7,4,1 3,*,6 5,2,8 6,3,* 8,5,2 1,7,4 2,8,5 4,1,7 6,3,*
[1*:54:58] <|343373|> (also if you combine these 2 rows youll get 1's 3's, 6's, *'s and 7's
[1*:55:01] <|343373|> )
[1*:58:20] <|343373|> kk thanks for the access
[20:01:21] <|343373|> Oh you took the access away? O.o
[20:01:44] <Lurker6*> i gave it only to you now, earlier i opened it for everybody
[20:01:58] <Lurker6*> now i seen your email ynd you should have access
[20:02:2*] <|343373|> oh kk thanks
[20:03:45] <|343373|> I will correct if there will be any major errors that I should be able to correct
[20:04:28] <Lurker6*> i am going afk atm, ill be back later, i need to add *n table to it and note that those two tables are /n
[20:05:36] <|343373|> Yup
[20:05:51] <|343373|> for both base10 and base30
[20:46:52] <|343373|> wait.... why did you use "343373" in your email?! *stares*
[20:53:11] <Lurker6*> lol, becasue i know how revelaing google docs are, i made account just for this patterns sheet and since i had to add some number to account anyways i put your number there becasue patterns idea came from you anyways
[20:54:10] <|343373|> i see
[20:54:42] <Lurker6*> note that since you are editor now, i think that other users can see your name, not sure about email though
[20:55:18] <|343373|> doesnt matter
[20:57:45] <|343373|> theres access open for everyone atm it seems
[20:58:45] <|343373|> or not...
[20:58:57] <Lurker6*> yeah i tried it, to see if anoynmous users can see editors emails when its open... O.o they can see both our emails when document is open
[20:5*:14] <Lurker6*> opsec in google docs is terrible
[20:5*:34] <|343373|> lol
[21:01:38] <|343373|> doesnt matter, that email is not important really and Im on few layers of vpns atm anyway
[21:03:54] <Lurker6*> i am using different nicks and emails on every network/project, compartmentalizing is smart to cover your tracks a little bit
[21:04:18] <|343373|> :)
[21:07:0*] <|343373|> Btw did you already find how Totient Function is related to the patterns(especially the prime division ones)? I forgot if you ever said anything about Totient Function in relation to it.
[21:08:57] <Lurker6*> not yet, i am keeping it on my mind
[21:12:17] <|343373|> just read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler%27s_totient_function , it will make a lot of sense
[23:44:18] <|343373|> Copy it to the whole 2*2 to 28*28
[23:45:07] <|343373|> copy, select starting that 4 to 28*2*
[23:45:11] <|343373|> then enter
[23:45:28] <|343373|> i mean 2**28
[23:51:18] <|343373|> nvm I done it
[23:58:05] <|343373|> Do you want the *n table or do you want the pattern grid like you did with /n ?
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[01:20:1*] <|343373|> Nevermind, I finished it
[01:52:15] <|343373|> Want me to explain the fx command?
[01:52:34] <Lurker6*> thx man
[01:52:45] <Lurker6*> yeah wahts fx supposed to be?
[01:52:57] <|343373|> its a command for it to do the calculation for you
[01:53:12] <|343373|> for example here ill make a small one
[01:54:34] <Lurker6*> i see it just produces *n table
[01:56:05] <|343373|> now after you made that 1 just select it and drag the blue box down
[01:56:2*] <|343373|> then select the whole row and drag it to the right
[01:56:51] <|343373|> it will be bound to the value you set
[01:57:30] <|343373|> so if you want to kill the command/function copy the whole thing and paste just the value in right click special paste
[01:58:14] <|343373|> Paste Special*
[01:5*:02] <|343373|> Look below the art
[01:5*:28] <|343373|> I made one for you to play with lol
[01:5*:32] <Lurker6*> yeah you can use that formula to autogenerate mod(x*y, 2*) table
[01:5*:44] <Lurker6*> i used it on totient sheet
[01:5*:53] <|343373|> oh kk
[02:00:28] <|343373|> I was wondering if you know how or not because you suddenly stopped at the multiplication table
[02:00:31] <|343373|> :P
[02:01:40] <|343373|> I deleted the mini table I under the art since you already know how it works
[02:02:11] <|343373|> -extremely tired-
[02:02:40] <|343373|> How do you like the art? :)
[02:03:13] <Lurker6*> you mean patterns of 2 and 2*? they look awesome
[02:03:47] <|343373|> That butterfly or cicada :D
[02:04:3*] <Lurker6*> yeah, it forms nice hiperbola
[02:04:41] <Lurker6*> btw i havent find any repeating pattern at totient function in first 500 values for totiesnts of n(1-500) or p(2-3571)
[02:0*:27] <|343373|> what do you mean by not repeating?
[02:11:17] <Lurker6*> when you said if i noticed how totient function is related to prime division patterns i expected that it will show some repeating pattern in each cycle, like /n and *n patterns do
[02:11:50] <Lurker6*> but in first 500 totients repeatin doesnt occur
[02:13:01] <|343373|> Thats not what I was talking about...
[02:13:05] <Lurker6*> which is sort of expected, since primes nor totients should form any repeating predictable pattern
[02:13:40] <|343373|> Predictable yes, it does follow a pattern but it doesnt repeat as digits for a long time
[02:18:48] <|343373|> Try to play with it like youve done with the /n base30 it should make it more obvious then
[02:1*:30] <Lurker6*> ok
[02:20:03] <Lurker6*> i need to get some sleep first
[02:20:31] <|343373|> kk
[02:22:03] <Lurker6*> by "it" at "play with it", you mean totient function of whole numbers (n) or primes (p)?
[02:22:26] <Lurker6*> i guess both might produce some interesting art
[02:26:35] <|343373|> btw what you did at n/1-2* is inda wrong order
[02:26:40] <|343373|> kinda*
[02:26:58] <|343373|> idk why you called it /1 /2 /3 /4 ...... plainly
[02:28:35] <Lurker6*> yeah i know, starting points are not correct, i planned to state that somewhere
[02:28:48] <|343373|> lol
[02:28:55] <Lurker6*> starting with 1 was fastest way to generate the table
[02:2*:24] <|343373|> ...
[02:2*:50] <|343373|> How sure are you taht its the correct table though?
[02:2*:52] <|343373|> :)
[02:2*:58] <|343373|> that*
[02:31:20] <|343373|> What you created there is a kind of a magic square, rather then /n base 30 patterns
[02:31:2*] <|343373|> than*
[02:31:42] <Lurker6*> at /2 distance between 1 and 2 should be 2, at /7 distance between 1 and 2 should be 7, at /28 distance between 1 and 2 should be 28
[02:32:57] <|343373|> Basic patterns start the same though
[02:33:08] <Lurker6*> i didnt yet think about how to determine starting point of  patterns in fractions in base 30
[02:33:13] <|343373|> all you do in a higher numeral system is add more digits
[02:33:4*] <|343373|> the pattern will be longer and more of the same pattern
[02:34:18] <|343373|> but yeah
[02:34:43] <Lurker6*> i dont know exactly how to calculate digits after 'decimal' point for 1/2* in base 30
[02:34:5*] <Lurker6*> since 1/15 is 0.5 in base 30
[02:35:21] <Lurker6*> i need to wrap my brain around it a little bit
[02:36:02] <Lurker6*> also primes that are full reptend in base 30 are not the same as ones that are full reptend in base 10, at least i think so
[02:36:18] <|343373|> Ill make a base 30 division table for you later I guess
[02:36:36] <Lurker6*> in base 15, 7 is not full reptend prime since 1/7=0,5 for example
[02:36:4*] <|343373|> I dont have mine saved because I didnt need it anymore
[02:37:20] <|343373|> Was cleaning pc and deleted by mistake was too lazy to make another one
[02:37:38] <|343373|> yup
[02:37:43] <|343373|> the patterns
[02:37:45] <|343373|> slide
[02:37:4*] <|343373|> to other digits
[02:38:25] <|343373|> the same patterns stay though... as you can see at the multiplication table I made
[02:3*:20] <Lurker6*> also can you just use that property, where in base 10, pattern of *2 is the same as pattern of /4, reversed and * moved to the front (i think you called that -1 infinity)
[02:3*:53] <|343373|> I mean your table is correct by theres a slight derp there
[02:40:28] <Lurker6*> does it shifts only for '1 infinity' when you convert from *n to /m in every base system?
[02:41:12] <|343373|> Prime division shifts by 1 infinity yes
[02:41:44] <|343373|> in base it will start with 2* like in base 10 as *
[02:42:25] <Lurker6*> i am not talking about prime division
[02:42:55] <Lurker6*> for exmaple in base 10    24681357* [Pattern of *2]
[02:43:26] <Lurker6*> also i need to write down which m and n are related in base 30
[02:44:08] <Lurker6*> in mabe 10 for example pattern of *2 is reversed pattern of /4, with * moving from back to front
[02:44:47] <Lurker6*> 24681357 * [Pattern of *2]   -                             75318642* [Pattern /4]
[02:45:13] <Lurker6*> 24681357 * [Pattern of *2]   -> * 24681357 -> reversed -> 75318642* [Pattern /4]
[02:45:27] <Lurker6*> and m and n are 2 and 4 in base 10
[02:46:08] <|343373|> Prime Division is the flipped of *n
[02:48:38] <|343373|> Without prime division the pattern lacks an infinity(shift by 1 digit) to "convert" to multiplication pattern configuration
[02:4*:18] <Lurker6*> *48372615 [Pattern of /7]  -> reversed -> 51627384* [Pattern of *5 AND /2] ; yeah at prime division * stays becasue its already on first place
[02:50:24] <|343373|> its same with every numeral system
[02:52:23] <|343373|> only prime division or work with a number equivalent "7"(or multiple of 7) of the base 10 can truly flip from / to * (or any other mathematical action)
[02:53:40] <|343373|> you cant just randomly switch/choose where the pattern starts
[02:54:26] <|343373|> at what digit the pattern starts is a result of math... So yeah I dont really get your question O.o
[02:56:46] <Lurker6*> i need to make this kind of picture http://prntscr.com/bmdlsx for base 30, numbers in red are what i called m and n in exmaple, so pattern of /n is same of *m
[02:57:32] <|343373|> "does it shifts only for '1 infinity' when you convert from *n to /m in every base system?" It doesnt really shift, but yes, theres a 1 infinity digit difference, only prime(/reptend) division, or equivalent multiple of 7 "shifts" a pattern
[02:57:3*] <Lurker6*>  so pattern of /n is same of *m flipped*
[02:5*:22] <|343373|> Yes
[02:5*:46] <|343373|> Pattern itself is same
[03:00:04] <|343373|> just movement in different direction
[03:01:01] <Lurker6*> ya
[03:02:57] <Lurker6*> >at what digit the pattern starts is a result of math... So yeah I dont really get your question
[03:03:54] <Lurker6*> i was asking about: in base 10 1/7=0.142857 142857, but in base 30 those digits will be different, so it doesnt need to be that pattern of /7 will start with 2* in base 30
[03:04:37] <|343373|> base 30 has other "7" equivalent
[03:05:24] <Lurker6*> yeah, i need to convert all decimal calculations in base 30, and then observe which numbers are full reptend and which are half full reptend in base 30
[03:07:22] <Lurker6*> and i alredy figured out that base 30 doesnt have thoe crazy 3s and 6s, but i dont know what will be going on with period digits (when will they be cyclical and when not)
[03:12:53] <|343373|> Good luck with the headache that is awaiting you soon... lol...
[03:17:57] <Lurker6*> another questions: you said 'you cant just randomly switch/choose where the pattern starts', thats is reffering to chnaging /7 to *5 pattern by flipping it only right? you cant randomnly choose where pattern starts for patterns in general (since 'at what digit the pattern starts is a result of math') and thats why my first /n table was in kinda wrong order (you called it kind of magic square)
[03:18:57] <|343373|> somewhat
[03:18:58] <|343373|> yes
[03:1*:03] <Lurker6*>  thats is reffering only to changing /7 to *5 pattern, right? *
[03:1*:07] <Lurker6*> yeah
[03:1*:3*] <Lurker6*> so i was hoping that i wont need starting point of each /n pattern in base 30
[03:20:18] <|343373|> I will make the base 30 division table for you
[03:20:22] <Lurker6*> according to you mentioning headache i guess i was wrong and ill need to get those too
[03:20:26] <|343373|> I need one for myself too
[03:20:32] <Lurker6*> ok thx a lot
[03:21:16] <|343373|> Its pretty simple though
[03:21:22] <Lurker6*> and you cant just put 2* from *m patterns in first place and flip whole pattern?
[03:21:55] <Lurker6*> and for eqvivalent of '7' you dont move 2*
[03:21:56] <|343373|> You need to know what numbers flip
[03:22:12] <Lurker6*> but you have to know which digit is eqvivalent of '7' first
[03:22:25] <|343373|> by flip I mean like /7 to *5
[03:22:48] <|343373|> oops
[03:22:4*] <|343373|> I meant
[03:22:57] <|343373|> *4 /7
[03:23:00] <|343373|> LOl
[03:23:37] <Lurker6*> and what numbers flip, you can get that from *n and "wrong" /m table
[03:24:25] <Lurker6*> i was planning to figure out those "related" numbers anyways
[03:26:03] <Lurker6*> i know that /5 and /4 are flipped in base 10 and that /15 and /14 are flipped in base 2*, i dont understanr the relation between m and n when /n is flipped *m (like /4 /7)
[03:27:53] <|343373|> Honestly to tell you the truth I really hate working with base30 I remember the frustration of trying to figure out its division.. because its quite tricky
[03:35:48] <|343373|> Actually you got them all right as the normal division
[03:36:01] <Lurker6*> i was doing some division in base 15 when we were talking with sage about 7/7, and i remeber it is quite a stretch to convert all those decimals in 15^-1, 15^-2,... and constantly finding myself unintentionally valuing digits as they are in base 10
[03:36:03] <|343373|> but the primes of base30 are so annoying ;-;
[03:36:31] <|343373|> logically its easy
[03:36:52] <|343373|> but the prime division makes it hell because theres something else there
[03:44:13] <|343373|> Oh wait nvm.... I just realized I was thinking about something else... I cant make that table for you sorry...
[03:44:2*] <|343373|> for normal division your table is correct
[03:48:35] <|343373|> Too tired atm, nvm everything I was saying lol, your table is good just need to shift the digits so it ends at 2* and itll be good. the normal prime division will be same as that just starting with 2*
[03:48:45] <|343373|> sorry for confusing you
[03:50:55] <Lurker6*> good, i was already wondering what 'something else' might be
[03:51:45] <|343373|> Really sorry for the confusion
[03:57:45] <|343373|> The something else is that the thing that happens with /3 and /6 happens even more in base30, in a way...
[04:00:34] <|343373|> In a way as in, it happens in relation to base10 so its a different table
[04:02:06] <|343373|> All numbers in LP are in base 10 (like the primes and the magic squares)
[04:02:23] <|343373|> The runes are base30
[04:02:3*] <|343373|> so yeah... sigh... I wont say anymore about this.. :/
[04:14:36] <Lurker6*> where does that base 33 come in play? that should be even worse since mod28 is divisable by 2, every odd number pattern will behave like 3 and 6 do in base 10
[04:15:50] <|343373|> -thumbs up-
[04:16:22] <|343373|> >Base34 = extreme headache
[04:20:27] <|343373|> also something about base30
[04:20:31] <|343373|> for example
[04:20:40] <|343373|> *15
[04:20:42] <|343373|> 15 1 16 2 17 3 18 4 1* 5 20 6 21 7 22 8 23 * 24 10 25 11 26 12 27 13 28 14 2*
[04:21:08] <|343373|> Look at the pattern if you remove the "10"(/front digit)
[04:22:20] <|343373|> 1(5) (1) 1(6) (2) 1(7) (3) 1(8) (4) 1(*)
[04:25:58] <|343373|> same with *14
[04:26:1*] <|343373|> 14 28 13 27 12 26 11 25 10 ........
[04:26:5*] <|343373|> 1(4) 2(8) 1(3) 2(7) 1(2) 2(6) 1(1) 2(5) 1(0) ........
[04:27:08] <Lurker6*> *4 and *5 patterns from base 10
[04:28:11] <|343373|> look what happens afterwards though
[04:35:34] <Lurker6*> *15
[04:35:38] <Lurker6*> 15 1 16 2 17 3 18 4 1* 5 20 6 21 7 22 8 23 * 24 10 25 11 26 12 27 13 28 14 2*
[04:35:38] <Lurker6*> 1(5) (1) 1(6) (2) 1(7) (3) 1(8) (4) 1(*)| (5) 2(0) (6) 2(1) (7) 2(2) (8) 2(3) (*)| 2(4) 1(0) 2(5) 1(1) 2(6) 1(2) 2(7) 1(3) 2(8)| 1(4) 2(*)
[04:35:38] <Lurker6*> 51627384* | 50617283* | 405162738 | 4*
[04:35:5*] <|343373|> 15 1 16 2 17 3 18 4 1* >
[04:35:5*] <|343373|> 1(5) 0(1) 1(6) 0(2) 1(7) 0(3) 1(8) 0(4) 1(*)
[04:35:5*] <|343373|> 5 20 6 21 7 22 8 23 * >
[04:35:5*] <|343373|> 1+(5) (20) 1+(6) (21) 1+(7) (22) 1+(8) (23) 1+(*) >
[04:35:5*] <|343373|>  6     2    7     3    8     4     *    5    1
[04:36:3*] <|343373|> yup
[04:37:44] <|343373|> headache :D
[04:38:56] <|343373|>  1+(5) 0+(20) 1+(6) 0+(21) 1+(7) 0+(22) 1+(8) 0+(23) 1+(*), based on the first one where first digit was ignored
[04:41:48] <Lurker6*> yeah at first cycle you ignore first digit, at second you include first digit and in third you have ignore first digit again if you want same pattern (with differnt starting point though)
[04:43:51] <|343373|> no it keeps switching places as if its looking for a weakness in the configuration
[04:44:02] <|343373|> first it ignores first digit
[04:45:0*] <|343373|> then once pattern works it compensates for the ignored digit, then it flips and does the opposite, doesnt give to the ones that were compensated but gives to the ones who had none
[04:47:14] <|343373|> Its like numbers are playing mind games with your brain...
[04:48:17] <|343373|> Im glad that this thing was important only at the later part of LP, the first half is a lot more simple
[04:50:41] <Lurker6*> if you dont ignore first digit in third cycle you get 617283*42, which has 2 twice, missing 5
[04:51:00] <Lurker6*> if you ignore it you get  4*5162738
[04:51:52] <Lurker6*> you said 'then it flips and does the opposite', it doesnt flip it stays the same pattern, it just doesnt include first digit again
[04:52:46] <|343373|> yup
[04:53:01] <Lurker6*> but here we are taking last digit from base 30 represented in decimal digits, and doing mod(*) on it, i think this is quite a stretch of operations
[04:53:48] <Lurker6*> i mean, if you would write base 30 correctly with 2* different character there would be no second digit
[04:55:17] <|343373|> indeed, thats why I said in relation to base10
[04:55:24] <Lurker6*> but values stays the same... and interestingly pattern shows itself somehow event through all those base system changes
[04:56:06] <|343373|> I already explained the "why" to you
[04:57:37] <|343373|> All of numbers/digits and math follows the same rules.. those rules are universal, the nature it self expressed using symbols/numbers
[04:5*:14] <|343373|> Perfectly cyclical, synchronizing, pattern configurations based system.
[05:03:4*] <Lurker6*> yeah, hmm, what about binary, there you have only one digit 1 and 0, so 1 is like * in base 10, are all patterns there the same consisting just one digit [1]?
[05:04:28] <Lurker6*> Dr(1) of 01 = 0 =1  and Dr(1) of 10 = 1= 0 ?
[05:04:34] <Lurker6*> is that correct?
[05:04:43] <|343373|> also one thats expanding and collapsing, condensing and deepening at the same time.
[05:05:13] <|343373|> what
[05:05:40] <|343373|> yes
[05:05:4*] <Lurker6*> is it correct that in binary Dr 0 = Dr 1?
[05:05:54] <Lurker6*> ok
[05:06:06] <|343373|> no
[05:06:12] <|343373|> theres no DR 0
[05:06:56] <|343373|> binary is 0 or 1
[05:06:58] <Lurker6*> i mean if mod = 0 then Dr=1, sorry
[05:07:07] <|343373|> theres no mod 0
[05:07:14] <|343373|> mod 0 = no mod
[05:07:15] <|343373|> LOL
[05:08:35] <|343373|> in binary as a, theres signal, theres no signal, theres no dr
[05:0*:02] <|343373|> its mod1
[05:0*:22] <Lurker6*> i thought inconventional sense, like 18 mod(*)=0, that how excel calculates it
[05:0*:26] <|343373|> 0 mod 1 = 0, 1 mod1 = 1
[05:0*:35] <Lurker6*> yeah its mod1
[05:0*:51] <|343373|> binary is base2
[05:0*:57] <|343373|> so mod1
[05:11:33] <|343373|> sec let me find something for you to understand what i mean
[05:12:12] <|343373|> kk Bagua / Dao is a good example
[05:12:33] <|343373|> its explained here well http://www.wuxiaworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/taiji-1.jpg
[05:13:3*] <|343373|> sec actually its too hard to explain with that
[05:14:15] <Lurker6*> i am too tired...     o mod(n) doesnt make sense since you cant divide by zero
[05:14:56] <|343373|> The Limitless (??; wuji) produces the delimited (??; youji), and this demarcation is equivalent to the Absolute (??; taiji).
[05:14:56] <|343373|> The Taiji produces two forms, named yin and yang (??; yinyang);
[05:14:57] <|343373|> These two forms produce four phenomena: named lesser yin (??, shaoyin), greater yin (??; taiyin, which also refers to the Moon), lesser yang (??, shaoyang), and greater yang (??; taiyang, which also refers to the Sun).
[05:15:01] <|343373|> The four phenomena (??; sixiang) act on the eight trigrams (??; bagua).
[05:15:03] <|343373|> Eight 'eights' results in sixty-four hexagrams. (ignore the metaphors...)
[05:16:20] <|343373|> The Limitless = 1, delimited = 0 (nothing)
[05:16:48] <|343373|> together they are the "the Absolute"
[05:17:44] <|343373|> then the absolute 0 | 1 created yin(-1) and yang(+1)
[05:18:11] <|343373|> so now you get Ternary numeral system
[05:18:58] <|343373|> -1 = 2, +1 = 1, 0 = nothing
[05:20:08] <|343373|> Binary 0, 1 are equal to Base10 0, *
[05:20:50] <|343373|> binary 0 = base10 0, binary 1 = base10 1-*
[05:22:42] <|343373|> Does that make more sense?
[05:24:50] <Lurker6*> ya
[05:24:52] <|343373|> base10 * = 1-8
[05:25:22] <|343373|> combined*
[05:25:30] <Lurker6*> 0 is same only one digit in all base systems, while everything else gets divided in other base-1 digits
[05:25:53] <|343373|> 0 is not really a digit
[05:25:58] <|343373|> its the lack of digit
[05:26:22] <Lurker6*> so in base 3 everything else is 1-2   in base 15 everything else is 1,2,3..15
[05:26:42] <|343373|> symbol for absolute lack of something
[05:26:5*] <Lurker6*> yeah zero is lack of anything else or nothing
[05:27:22] <|343373|> base 3 = 0, 1-2 OR -1, 0, +1
[05:28:18] <|343373|> base10 = 0, 1-* OR -4 -3 -2 -1 (0 OR *) +1 +2 +3 +4 +5
[05:2*:38] <|343373|> typo
[05:2*:50] <|343373|> base10 = 0, 1-* OR -4 -3 -2 -1 (0 OR *) +1 +2 +3 +4
[05:31:46] <|343373|> Base4 = -1 (0 OR 3) +1
[05:35:58] <|343373|> base(3 or 4) -1 can be equal to base10 +3. Base(3 or 4) +1 can be equal to Base10 +6, Base4 3 can be equal to Base10 *
[05:42:51] <Lurker6*> hmm 'base(3 or 4) -1 can be equal to base10 +3. Base(3 or 4) +1 can be equal to Base10 +6' in both cases you expressed base 10 as 0, 1-*; am I right?
[05:44:08] <|343373|> yes
[05:45:2*] <|343373|> if as -4 -3 -2 -1 0* +1 +2 +3 +4 then you need to note the inner polarity change aswell
[05:45:3*] <|343373|> 1 is a +
[05:45:43] <|343373|> 2 is a -
[05:46:31] <|343373|> 3 is a neutral (but negative compared to 6)
[05:46:36] <|343373|> 4 is +
[05:46:42] <|343373|> 5 is -
[05:47:18] <|343373|> 6 is neutral (but positive compared to 3)
[05:47:31] <|343373|> 7 is +
[05:47:35] <|343373|> 8 is -
[05:47:48] <|343373|> * is Perfect neutral
[05:48:43] <|343373|> perfect as in it also has the negative neutral 3 and the positive neutral 6 in it so its neutral neutral
[05:50:11] <Lurker6*> ill just take that as you said it
[05:50:38] <|343373|> okay that sound stupid but ill try to explain it better
[05:51:45] <|343373|> one is neutal but standing at the negative side, other is neutral but standing on the positive side, and 1 neutral is standing at the very neutral center
[05:53:04] <|343373|> 3 is neutral but on negative side, 6 is neutral but on positive side
[05:53:20] <|343373|> * is combination of both
[05:54:4*] <|343373|> 3 and 6 are opposites
[05:56:50] <|343373|> Dont just take it if it doesnt make enough sense to you, verify with your understanding/try to understand it, dont just accept lol
[05:57:28] <|343373|> it wont be useful if you dont understand it :o
[06:00:12] <Lurker6*> its a bit unfamiliar concept, sounds strange, since you have -2 (0-2) and now i also have to comprehend 2 being negative by default
[06:01:04] <|343373|> negative as its direction(/charge) from 0 or *
[06:01:20] <|343373|> you go left not right
[06:02:17] <|343373|> okay here this will fix it for you
[06:02:4*] <|343373|> - o +
[06:03:06] <|343373|> 8 * 1
[06:03:08] <Lurker6*> i get the dynamics of + > - > n > + > - > n > + > - 'perfect n'
[06:03:23] <|343373|> sec dont msg
[06:03:28] <|343373|> - o +
[06:03:34] <|343373|> 8 * 1
[06:03:52] <|343373|> derp argh
[06:03:58] <|343373|> - o +
[06:04:26] <|343373|> 2 3 4
[06:04:44] <|343373|> 8 * 1
[06:04:4*] <|343373|> 5 6 7
[06:06:3*] <|343373|> the logic of the expansion is ++ = -, -- = +, + - / - + = o
[06:08:48] <Lurker6*> yeah now  i get that with logic you explained, before i was wondering why
[06:08:5*] <|343373|> 1(+), 11 = 2, ++ = -
[06:0*:24] <|343373|> 22 = 4, -- = +
[06:10:37] <Lurker6*> yeah and 41 = 5, ++ = -
[06:10:42] <|343373|> oops i typo lgic abit
[06:11:26] <|343373|> ++ = -, -- = +, + - / - + = o,  - o / o - = -, + o / o + = +
[06:12:33] <|343373|> 2+3 = 5, - o = -
[06:13:02] <|343373|> to 1 2 4 5 7 8, 3 and 6 are o
[06:13:1*] <|343373|> to *, 3 and 6 are - and +
[06:13:48] <|343373|> the pattern goes as
[06:14:42] <Lurker6*> this all makes sense so far
[06:14:44] <|343373|> + - - + - + + -
[06:14:53] <|343373|> 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
[06:16:03] <|343373|> thats should make it much more clear too
[06:16:42] <Lurker6*> it does
[06:18:03] <Lurker6*> before i was wondering why
[06:18:03] <Lurker6*> - - - - o + + + +
[06:18:03] <Lurker6*> 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 *
[06:18:03] <Lurker6*> would not be just as valid as your +-o+-o+-o , now i see that it wouldnt follow same logic
[06:21:2*] <Lurker6*> also those  base4   -1  (0 or 3) +1     being base10  3  (0 or *)  6
[06:21:38] <Lurker6*> i understand it as http://prntscr.com/bmfciv
[06:24:36] <|343373|> slight typo though... its 5678 * or 0 1234
[06:25:44] <|343373|> -4 -3 -2 -1 *or0 +1 +2 +3 +4
[06:26:30] <|343373|>  5  6  7  8  *0  1  2  3  4
[06:26:44] <Lurker6*> i got it
[06:27:04] <|343373|> - + + - o + - - +
[06:27:4*] <|343373|> - (+) + - (o) + - (-) +
[06:28:37] <|343373|> 5  6  7 8  *  1 2  3  4
[06:44:21] <Lurker6*> one slight detail, you said that 3 is negative because it is on negative side, but in notation: '5 6 7 8 * 1 2 3 4' 3 is on the right same as 1 which is positive and 6 is on the left same as 8 which is negative
[06:44:21] <Lurker6*> i guess 3 is negative neutral and 6 is positive neutral comes from 5 6 7 8 * 1 2 3 4 having  pattern - + + - o + - - + instead of (in case of - 6 and +3) pattern  - - + - o + - + + being unbalanced
[06:5*:48] <|343373|> that too
[07:00:26] <|343373|> and > (o) + -
[07:00:33] <|343373|> (o) + - (o) + - (o) + -
[07:02:27] <|343373|> + | - (+) + - (o) + - (-) + | -
[07:05:0*] <|343373|> "to 1 2 4 5 7 8, 3 and 6 are o"
[07:05:20] <|343373|> "to *, 3 and 6 are - and +"
[07:07:05] <Lurker6*> yeah i catched that when you said that earlier
[07:07:16] <|343373|> (+) < (+ -) (o) (+ -) > (-)
[00:00:00] - {Day changed to 30. junij 2016}
[05:37:26] <|343373|> Btw youll probably be the only one there to be able to confirm/understand my proof lol...
[05:38:51] <Lurker6*> i am all ears
[05:3*:08] <|343373|> Soon cant atm yet
[05:41:13] <Lurker6*> but i came from the rules page? so page was updated?
[05:42:04] <|343373|> Yeah :P Ill send it in solvers in some time... I want when brotherbox and iIIustrious are there... LOL (Im allowed to show/post/message it only once, Im not allowed to talk about it nor explain it myself)
[05:43:5*] <Lurker6*> lol, then post it on pastebin and link it in solvers, that way it will stay forever on pastebin
[05:44:06] <Lurker6*> but thats stretching the rules
[05:51:58] <|343373|> To them it might not be a 100% proof and will probably look like nonsense but to you that proof will be a 100% undeniable proof :) Its the beginning(the first 13 runes) of the real pattern on the already solved page 56(0-57), shown in the solved way with some extra info in a way..
[05:53:33] <Lurker6*> so that totient pattern i want able to find yesterday
[05:53:3*] <Lurker6*> wasnt*
[05:55:21] <|343373|> They are related but youll probably be amazed a bit when you see the solved 13 runes and probably might figure out how to solve the rest right away :)
[06:01:05] <|343373|> The file is useless to ppl who didnt solve enough pages though...
[06:02:37] <Lurker6*> oh i have one question
[06:03:11] <Lurker6*> LP doesnt have any verses from WIlliam Blakes Book of First French REvolution poem right?
[06:03:44] <|343373|> no comment
[06:06:2*] <Lurker6*> ill assume you arent allowed to comment anything about content of LP
[06:06:53] <Lurker6*> i would be really mad if pi.mobi would have some connection to LP or real 3301
[06:07:07] <Lurker6*> not mad, surprized
[06:16:47] <|343373|> solver plox
[06:16:52] <|343373|> solvers*
[06:26:00] <|343373|> Shift > Rune Shift
[06:26:14] <|343373|> Very simple
[07:05:11] <|343373|> Is it not enough proof? lol
[07:06:01] <Lurker6*> i havent jet have time to understand and explain it, i am heavily multitasking atm
[07:06:55] <|343373|> kk btw heres in case you missed it
[07:07:03] <|343373|> "Oh wow there was a slight typo while copying it from the pic... so I should be able to send this one o.o
[07:07:03] <|343373|> 11 12
[07:07:03] <|343373|> TH  E
[07:07:03] <|343373|> 1^22v
[07:07:03] <|343373|>   5
[07:07:04] <|343373|>  ^ v
[07:07:06] <|343373|>  2 3
[07:07:10] <|343373|> not 1v"
[07:07:30] <Lurker6*> yeah i saw that
[07:07:48] <|343373|> kk
[22:10:52] <|343373|> Someone got slightly ahead of you on the matrices without even understanding/knowing the whole approach basics yet... :o
[22:12:47] <|343373|> "without even understanding/knowing the whole approach" as in, not enough understanding of how the approach works.
[22:20:41] <Lurker6*> nothing wrong with that
[22:22:00] <|343373|> So just letting you know that youre overthinking the magicsquares, just calmly look at them and look for pattern. :)
[22:24:27] <Lurker6*> yeah now i have 3 tasks: figure out your proof, find pattern in totient function and find matrices patterns connection

[00:00:00] - {Day changed to 1. julij 2016}
[04:37:10] <|343373|> anything happened in the past 1 hour while I was disconnected? lol
[04:40:0*] <Lurker6*> nothing much
[04:40:14] <Lurker6*> http://31415*265358*7*323846264338327*5028841*716*3**3751.mobi/test.txt
[04:45:16] <|343373|> lol.....
[04:53:38] <|343373|> Easy questions though.. lol
[04:54:50] <Lurker6*> they are interesting
[04:54:5*] <Lurker6*> encrypted ones are
[04:55:07] <Lurker6*> 3. What makes you , you?
[04:55:07] <Lurker6*> 5. Does sound happen if no entity is present to experience it? Explain.
[04:55:07] <Lurker6*> 7. Define the word "truth".
[04:55:07] <Lurker6*> 11. What do people strive for after completing their path to enlightenment?
[04:57:58] <|343373|> What do you think is the answer to 11? lol
[04:5*:02] <Lurker6*> retirement
[04:5*:37] <|343373|> I see :)
[05:01:34] <Lurker6*> there is no enlightement, there is only path towards it that never ends
[05:03:06] <|343373|> There are check points though, those are what they call "enlightenment". Each time it starts on a higher level, like mathematical cycles. I think the real work just begins upon reaching the enlightenment, but understanding of that work is beyond the "enlightenment" line, so you wouldnt be able to understand it unless you've reached teh "enlightenment" already..
[05:03:36] <|343373|> the*
[05:05:05] <|343373|> As for what they strive for at the end of the path? Like youve said, theres no end to the true path to "enlightenment".
[05:06:50] <|343373|> If they stop unpon reaching the checkpoint then they do not complete their path but stop in the middle of it.
[05:07:16] <Lurker6*> you can look at enlightements as levels, and to reach and play on next level you have to understand its rules first
[05:07:2*] <Lurker6*> lol one of winds quotes comes to my mind
[05:07:47] <Lurker6*> 'Do things left alone and clues never found change over time, or are they simply as static as ends never tied?'
[05:08:2*] <|343373|> The requirements/rules of the next level are eaching the new level.
[05:08:33] <|343373|> lol
[05:0*:22] <|343373|> reaching*
[05:10:32] <|343373|> You already have all you need, enlightement is the realization of it.
[05:18:46] <|343373|> What do you think the answer to 5 is?
[05:23:1*] <Lurker6*> yes, things happen in isolation, there is no condition that there must be some measuring device present to mesure some event, for it to happen; you need measuring device only if you want to prove that event really happened
[05:23:33] <Lurker6*> things are a bit more complicated at shrodingres cat though
[05:24:50] <|343373|> Solid sound is frquencies expressed through solid matter by vibration of the solid matter. If theres no matter to exprecience that frequency/vibration then there will be none of what is called "sound". Matter it self is "entity".
[05:26:06] <|343373|> Matter it self is "entity", as it "experiences" sound. *
[05:27:42] <Lurker6*> yeah true, if you limit the question stritly on sound, and event happens in vacum then there is no sound spreading
[05:28:45] <Lurker6*> i was thinking about standard version of that question "If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"
[05:2*:51] <Lurker6*> which focuses on presense of observer and assumes presense of air where sound waves can spread
[05:31:23] <|343373|> The tree itself and the ground it falls on are the "entity" already.
[05:32:58] <|343373|> Entity = A thing with distinct and independent existence. existence; being.
[05:34:12] <Lurker6*> yeah question 5 is nonsensical, if there is no entity at all there cant be any sound, as sound is defined as vibrating of some matter, and matter is entity
[05:35:13] <Lurker6*> but all mobi test questions are slightly changed well known problem, they changed few bits so answers are harder to google
[05:35:22] <|343373|> Also no Entity to experience it implies theres no space in which it happens either.
[05:35:5*] <Lurker6*> and they made few mistakes like: Prove that  ?(n) = (? - 1) (q - 1)  when N = ?q ; it should be n = ?q
[05:37:21] <|343373|> Im pretty sure they are talking about ?(n) = (? - 1)(q - 1), not (p)(q)
[05:37:35] <Lurker6*> i think question just defines that there is no entity that can experience it as detect it or measure, not no entity at all; although you are right, if there was any air present, it would experience vibration
[05:38:45] <|343373|> space itself in which the frequiency is experiences it too.. even if that frequency is not yet extressed through a solid vibration..
[05:3*:07] <|343373|> expressed*
[05:3*:41] <Lurker6*> ?(p*q) = ?(p) * ?(q) = (p - 1)*(q - 1)   ? is totient function
[05:41:32] <|343373|> They are not 3301, most of them dont seem to understand math nor the approach so what do you expect? lol
[05:42:41] <|343373|> "Prove that  ?(n) = (? - 1) (q - 1)  when N = ?q  and  both ? and q are primes." is good enough...
[05:42:45] <|343373|> lol
[05:44:0*] <|343373|> Whats your answer to 1?
[05:45:47] <Lurker6*> i was reading about it, didnt think about it at all and result surprized me https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_game
[05:47:52] <Lurker6*> so you can take *6 coins and give every other (odd)  pirate one single coin 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1
[05:50:34] <|343373|> you didnt get it...
[05:50:38] <|343373|> there are no two equally important  people. You and your companions decided that you are going to propose the
[05:50:38] <|343373|> way of distributing the treasure using aforementioned hierarchy.
[05:54:43] <Lurker6*> its same as with pirates
[05:55:43] <Lurker6*> only difference is that at pirates case there is casting vote for proposor, and in case of test half of votes are enough to accept proposal
[05:56:08] <Lurker6*> which means that results are the same in both cases
[05:58:03] <|343373|> the problem is, no fool would accept those terms and they know the next one can propose afte the kill the first one
[06:00:57] <|343373|> Pirate game is a joke
[06:01:56] <Lurker6*> 7th 5th 3rd and 1st know that they will get nothing if *th one would be making proposal, and 10th one only needs their votes
[06:03:30] <Lurker6*> it says in wikia that all pirates are 100% smart and they all know that next one will propose the most optimal solution for him
[06:04:12] <Lurker6*> following this logic they arent 'fools' anymore but just logical gates in equation
[06:14:08] <|343373|> The right logic would be, 100 - 14 - 13 - 12 - 11 - 10 - * - 8 - 7 - 6 - 5, 5coins left over as the ones you need for the vote. you give 10th, 8th, 6th, 4th 1 extra than they supposed to get. 100 - 50 - 14 - 0 - 12 - 0 - 10 - 0 - 8 - 0 - 6
[06:16:30] <|343373|> typo
[06:17:25] <|343373|> 100 - 64 - 0 - 0 - 12 - 0 - 10 - 0 - 8 - 0 - 6
[06:17:36] <|343373|> you can do it in any order really
[06:18:05] <|343373|> you just need to give the 4 1 more than what they supposed to get :P
[06:23:07] <Lurker6*> but in that case you dont do the best possible solution for yourself
[06:23:16] <Lurker6*> first vote
[06:23:16] <Lurker6*> 10  *   8  7  6  5  4  3  2  1
[06:23:16] <Lurker6*> *6y 0n  1y 0n 1y 0n 1y 0n 1y 0n  5y 5n vote succeed
[06:23:16] <Lurker6*> in case they throw you overboard
[06:23:16] <Lurker6*> xx  *6y 0n 1y 0n 1y 0n 1y 0n 1y  5y 5n vote succeed
[06:23:16] <Lurker6*> since pirates 8  6 4 and 2 know what will happen if they vote against you, they vote yes in first vote
[06:26:5*] <|343373|> the thing is, this logic could continue until there are 3 left.
[06:28:30] <Lurker6*> if there are three left, proposer has to offer one coin to last one, since if last one votes aginst that proposer in case there are only two left, proposer will take all coins and vote yes and lst one will be lfet with nothing
[06:28:56] <|343373|> so you as the first one, have to satisfy them with more than the amount they would get if there were 10(including you)
[06:2*:5*] <Lurker6*> hmm
[06:30:22] <|343373|> 4 of them have to get atleast 1 more than the amount they wouldve gotten if it was fair
[06:31:01] <|343373|> while the 1 after you cant get at all
[06:31:14] <|343373|> because he would vote 0 100%
[06:31:27] <|343373|> vote no*
[06:31:56] <|343373|> since he knows he's the next to profit if you are killed
[06:34:03] <Lurker6*> yes first after proposer always votes no, while next one votes yes if he has only one coin since in case he steps on the side of on infront of him he will get nothing
[06:34:0*] <|343373|> 64y - 0 - 0 - 12y - 0 - 10y - 0 - 8y - 0 - 6y
[06:34:0*] <|343373|> instead of
[06:34:0*] <|343373|> 14(+5)y - 13y - 12y - 11y - 10y - *y - 8y - 7y - 6y - 5y (with 5 extra left that would go to you)
[06:35:18] <|343373|> (in a fair one)
[06:37:10] <Lurker6*> yeah but there is condition that you are not fair but selfish, >The goal of each and everyone of the treasure hunters ( you included)  is to gain the highest amount of silver coins possible and survive.
[06:37:45] <|343373|> Think about it, the closer it is to 10th the more they would want to say no. because they will have a better chance of getting more our of it
[06:38:01] <|343373|> out*
[06:38:30] <|343373|> 2 one has most to profit
[06:3*:08] <|343373|> due to that logic 3rd one is certain to win
[06:3*:16] <|343373|> i mean
[06:3*:22] <|343373|> 8th has most to profit
[06:3*:30] <|343373|> due to that 7th is certain to win
[06:44:10] <Lurker6*> evryone wants to kick all that are infront of him, but due to possibility that in next round they get nothing they are forced (due to condition that they all know that next one will propose equally slefish propsal) to vote yes
[06:45:12] <Lurker6*> in real world this doesnt happen becasue they hope that next one will not be 100% selfish so those with 1 coin might vote no despite possibility tha they will get nothing in next round
[06:45:31] <|343373|> only if there are 5 ppl left
[06:45:35] <|343373|> you have 10 though
[06:46:51] <Lurker6*> it follows same pattern accoprding to wiki, ap to the point where you have twice as many pirates as coins
[06:48:56] <|343373|> you have * extra, not 8 extra ppl.
[06:4*:28] <|343373|> and with just * the logic wouldnt work either
[06:52:55] <Lurker6*> you get 5 votes, your vote 10y then *no 8yes 7no 6yes 5no 4yes 3no 2yes 1no
[06:53:27] <Lurker6*> and half votes is enough, or in wikipedia exmaple you vote is stornger than others so it si more than half for yes
[06:53:40] <|343373|> the closer you are to the last one you get more % of a no though
[06:56:40] <|343373|> Less people, more chance to bribe for more.
[07:16:12] <|343373|> well nvm it lol
[07:18:52] <Lurker6*> i think you are not looking at problem of voting in binary way, they dont decide colletively to vote aginst proposer, they each vote for their selfish reasons, and this selfishness (of each and every one) forces whole system to vote yes for unfair proposals
[07:20:07] <|343373|> being more than 3 people and having 100 coins makes it more complex than binary
[07:21:18] <Lurker6*> i mean vote is binary, yes or no, there is no 60% for yes and 40% for no for single individual, they just want to avoid the worst scenario and that is being killed or getting 0
[07:21:1*] <|343373|> its the difference between base4 and base10
[07:21:54] <|343373|> situation is not binary
[07:23:10] <|343373|> in truth at 10 ppl, its 70-80% for no and only 20-30% for yes with just 1 coin
[07:24:08] <|343373|> as you add coins that you give them the % for yes goes up less and less
[07:27:11] <NiceLurk> only if they decide as a group, if they are fully selfish and everyone wants the biggest possible share wikipedia situation happens, i see no flaw in that explanation
[07:28:31] <|343373|> <|343373|> its the difference between base4 and base10
[07:28:31] <|343373|> <|343373|> situation is not binary
[07:28:31] <|343373|> <|343373|> in truth at 10 ppl, its 70-80% for no and only 20-30% for yes with just 1 coin
[07:28:31] <|343373|> <|343373|> as you add coins that you give them the % for yes goes up less and less
[07:28:31] <|343373|> <|343373|> 64y - 0 - 0 - 12y - 0 - 10y - 0 - 8y - 0 - 6y is a ~*0% for 4 other than you to vote yes.
[07:28:54] <|343373|> if you want a 100%, if they are too greedy then 58 - 0 - 0 - 15 - 0 - 12 - 0 - * - 0 - 6 (+1 to 10th, +2 to 8th, +3 to 6th and +4 to 4th)
[07:32:47] <NiceLurk> but in your case you are not selfish enough, you get 4 needed votes with *6 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1, all 4 have to vote for you since in case they dont they will get 0 from proposal of next *th guy
[07:36:40] <|343373|> Every treasure hunter is equally as smart as the rest. if you give them just 1 they know they can keep going until 3 left. so each next vote is harder to get. while each closer to 1st vote is more greedy
[07:3*:26] <|343373|> so first 4 are likely to be voted no by the other 6 in all cases unless you satisfy them somehow
[07:3*:38] <NiceLurk> well, guys on places from *-4 wont vote for the profit of 3rd guy, only 3rd and 1st guy will ever vote for profit of 3rd one
[07:40:37] <NiceLurk> and each votes only for himself anyway, he votes yes in case that voting no will make it possible to get 0 coins
[07:41:2*] <|343373|> you are 1st, 5-10th will vote no for 1st to 4th **% even if you give each of them 10coins
[07:42:11] <|343373|> the only way they will vote yes is if they know the other will vote yes
[07:43:0*] <|343373|> Remember they are as smart as you
[07:51:47] <NiceLurk> now you are contradicting yourself, in  your previous destributions 10th and 8th voted yes for 6 and * coins
[07:52:17] <|343373|> yes
[07:52:32] <NiceLurk> and collectivelly voting against you would mean they are conspiring against you, i dont think rules allow that
[07:52:3*] <|343373|> not contradicting
[07:56:02] <|343373|> they win more than they would otherwise so they know the one before them will vote yes, making them accept the proposal, its not about the amount itself, its about the logic of it, they win more than they would if it was fair between 10, then they win more than if the whole cycle of killing will start that would continue until there are 5 to 3 people left. and they know that if they vote no they will
[07:56:02] <|343373|> probably lose their life after.
[07:57:55] <|343373|> 58 - 0 - 0 - 15 - 0 - 12 - 0 - * - 0 - 6 makes all of them vote yes **.**%
[08:00:16] <NiceLurk> there is no **.**%, they always vote exactly according to their rules so each repetition is the same, every vote that happens happens in  100% of repetitons
[08:03:01] <NiceLurk> and i agree that your propsal results in yes, but so does *6 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 0, there is no reason for those who get 1 voted no, becasue if they vote no, next proposal will give them 0, so to avoid 0 in next round they vote yes, with 100% certanty since they are avoiding worse scenario
[08:03:37] <|343373|> youre not counting the next one it though
[08:03:51] <|343373|> after it*
[08:05:02] <|343373|> it works with 5 ppl cause you have 2 who will vote yes, which lose if it goes to the very limit of 3 ppl
[08:10:56] <NiceLurk> voters in first round assume that second round will vote for yes, so they will get 0, they cant expect that 2nd round will vote for no, so they cant relay on possibility that there will be trird round of voting
[08:11:13] <NiceLurk> i think that by now its obvious that we will never agree :)
[08:12:01] <|343373|> lol
[13:08:0*] <|343373|> Actually.. Now that I think about it, counter intuitive would work the best. 81 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5
[21:2*:31] <|343373|> LURKER
[21:30:57] <|343373|> WTF IS THAT http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/1786525*/#17868073 ?
[21:31:16] <|343373|> "https://linx.li/c167761c.txt" THIS IS OUR LOG....
[21:31:23] <|343373|> The fuck?
[21:34:07] <Lurker6*> yeah, i am just introducing some more confusion to the chaos, i changed our nicks so i dont think much damage can be made
[21:35:35] <|343373|> Its very easy to associate that nick with mine... loL
[21:36:36] <Lurker6*> yeah i fucked up and left one mention of  word 'pattern' in it
[21:38:06] <-- |343373| (~343373@unaffiliated/343373/x-3874142) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[21:3*:54] <Lurker6*> nick is just a number i made up, i think that if at the end we will figure out that pi.mobi is connected to 3301, this is just gona be another post giving it a bit more legitimacy, if it is not... well then it looks like you were lying to me, so it doesnt matter at all
[21:42:04] <Lurker6*> i expected more reaction to that log to be hoinest, i dont know who the guy who always say that he saw that quote on video before the tweet is, he says it in every thread, but he can just a shill
[21:42:11] <|343373|> I havent said that its them... I said that it might be someone or 1 of them who solved atleast 50-100% of LP
[21:42:27] <|343373|> lol
[21:46:41] <Lurker6*> yeah by "connected to 3301"  i meant that they are someone who solved more pages of LP than wikia did
[21:47:12] <Lurker6*> its clearly not the guy that has access to PGP and twitter acount
[21:47:40] <Lurker6*> but they might be some lower brood/echelon, no way to prove they are not
[21:48:46] <Lurker6*> and if that 'seek and...' was indeed published befor tweet and if real cicada didnt stel that quote from them then they have to get it from somewhere
[21:48:4*] <|343373|> I dont think anyone has access to the pgp nor twitter other than 3301, 3301 are a small group I believe
[21:4*:46] <Lurker6*> where that somewhere is, i have no idea, it might be on onions in previous years as you said, it might be in LP, or it might be emails from 3301 to schrodinger... i have no way to figure it our how it happened
[21:51:08] <|343373|> Probably what I assume it is... one of the pi ppl finished the puzzle in 2013 and solved atleast 50% of LP
[21:52:14] <Lurker6*> yeah PGP os not shared by many, but they have few halpers, all those posters prove that lots of people were involved, and i think they used personal connections for those, i dont think they would risk trying to find people to post poster on craigslist, facebook or reddit
[21:54:17] <Lurker6*> sorry but i cant belive you your last statement, i know multiple people that made servers in 2013, none of them said anything about getting acces to any onion, they said they were send leaked email and that nothing happened afterwards... but those who know dont tell
[21:54:27] <Lurker6*> mine server was never visited
[21:56:03] <Lurker6*> and i dont think anyone of regular #solvers in 2013 is involved in pi.mobi, if they were they would at least be using outguess
[21:56:40] <|343373|> kk well the proof I posted earlier should serve as atleast some proof that the approach is indeed what they use.
[21:57:05] <|343373|> It should be very clear with the patterns there
[21:57:06] <Lurker6*> pi.mobi seems to be marketed towars crouwd with less  coding skills, more towards facebook crowd with macs and windows machines
[21:57:1*] <Lurker6*> 3301s puzzle almost demands you to use linux
[21:58:02] <Lurker6*> yeah i didnt spend time on that proof yet, i guess you wont tell me anything about it anyways
[21:58:18] <Lurker6*> i have no idea what are Rep-s supposed to be
[21:58:31] <|343373|> its very self explanatory
[21:58:42] <|343373|> rep as in repeating
[21:5*:45] <|343373|> repetend...
[22:00:16] <|343373|> the rest is very self explanatory
[22:01:15] <Lurker6*> selfexplanatory... its full of some rules  i dont understand
[22:01:47] <Lurker6*> why do some runes have ony one direction and others have two?
[22:01:56] <|343373|> ...
[22:01:57] <|343373|> sec
[22:02:25] <Lurker6*> why in the line wit h digital roots you called Patterns there some runes have two values and some has one
[22:03:24] <|343373|> I will ask the person who understood/found a pattern in magic square if they are okay will telling you their username
[22:03:30] <Lurker6*> why th and e have ony one digital rootPattern value of 8
[22:03:37] <|343373|> 2nd magic square has what you are looking for
[22:06:03] <|343373|> Btw you should look at the pattern more closely... does it seem random to you?
[22:06:11] <Lurker6*> second? the uncomplete one? that 3301-fibonachi nth prime in sipral from center?
[22:06:21] <|343373|> nono the one on page 17
[22:07:14] <|343373|> It will answer the question of why what you asked happens
[22:07:18] <Lurker6*> oh that one? didn you said that square on page 17 works only for first 15 pages of 0-57
[22:07:57] <|343373|> Yes, but the methods for all the pages are almost the same, its the same approach just change of variables
[22:08:32] <Lurker6*> this 5 is bugging me, why were there 1 and 4 added up to ger signle 5 http://prntscr.com/bnmuth
[22:08:54] <|343373|> the 2nd magic square answers that question
[22:0*:45] <Lurker6*> ok ill lok int it a bit deeper later
[22:10:14] <Lurker6*> look*
[22:10:17] <|343373|> less deep, its simple, just need to notice that small almost stupid detail
[22:11:0*] <Lurker6*> yeah htat 5 , at first i was sure i made mistke while copying you posts, but then i rechecked and figured out that you it is as it is supopsed to be
[22:13:33] <|343373|> But more importantly, you see what kind of pattern it is?  (patterns line) I cant talk about it but just pointing this out to you since you should understand it..
[22:16:13] <Lurker6*> no i havent tried to find that yet
[22:17:17] <|343373|> Look at that line....
[22:18:57] <Lurker6*> yeah i see partly /7 in it with 7/7=6 missing
[22:18:5*] <|343373|> also periodicity of direction (we talked about that already)
[22:1*:1*] <|343373|> 6 is not missing
[22:1*:27] <Lurker6*> then (1) (6) (7) which i dont know what pattern they should be
[22:1*:31] <Lurker6*> and |1|
[22:20:44] <|343373|> Well 167 is 167 or 761 backwards obviously... they kept pointing those 2 primes to everyone
[22:23:22] <Lurker6*> how is 6 not missing? (1) * 4 (6) |1| 8 3 7 2 (7) 1 5 *     *48372615     pattern /7
[22:23:51] <Lurker6*> there is (7) in place where 6 should be and previous numbers in brackets were ignored
[22:24:00] <|343373|> Yes.
[22:25:03] <Lurker6*> and i see no periodicity in direction
[22:25:44] <Lurker6*>  ^   v  ^   ^    ^ and v     v and ^     ^   v  v   v   ^ and  v    v
[22:26:36] <Lurker6*> anyway i have some real life stuffto do, i am back in few
[22:27:28] <|343373|> Idk how much I can stretch the line but...  ^   v and ^   ^    ^ and  v     v and  ^     ^ and v  v   v and  ^ v and v ...
[22:37:45] <|343373|> Also that page is already solved, you can find its whole pattern to understand it better.
[22:38:53] <Lurker6*> so you continued the pattern there so longer vestion is
[22:3*:04] <Lurker6*>  ^ v ^ ^ ^andv  vand^ ^ v v v ^andv v ^ vand^ ^ ^andv  vand^ ^andv v vand^ vandv
[22:3*:35] <Lurker6*> i guess last one was typo vandv it is probbaly vand^ or ^andv
[22:3*:54] <Lurker6*> now to visualize it nicer
[22:40:13] <Lurker6*>  1 0 1 1 10 01 1 0 0 0 10 0 1 01 1 10 01 10 0 01
[22:41:32] <|343373|> - + - - - + + - - + + + - + then +
[22:41:5*] <|343373|> The direction pattern is not complete yet
[22:44:10] <Lurker6*> - + - - - + + - - + + + - + + | - + - - - + + - - + + + -
[22:44:16] <Lurker6*> seems to repeat at |
[22:45:57] <Lurker6*> thats ^andv v, 15 shifts, which is end of your proof
[22:46:17] <Lurker6*> damn i have to go afk
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[03:46:53] <|343373|> what the
[03:46:53] <|343373|> what happened to cicadian channel? LOL
[03:47:02] <|343373|> What happened while I was away?
[06:45:00] <|343373|> Have you figured the first encryption yet?
[06:47:20] <Lurker6*> hi, nope
[06:47:33] <Lurker6*> didnt have time to work on LP these days
[06:47:47] <|343373|> kk
[06:47:52] <Lurker6*> i still havent figured out how your proof works
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[10:35:42] <|343373|> I dont feel like anyone is trying... I lit. gave the way to solve(how to look/approach at) it in that proof.. :/
[10:38:15] <Lurker6*> i am looking at your proof, and am trying to continue the same way you did, since you gave me one mor erepetition of ^and v
[10:38:26] <Lurker6*> and i am not finding a pattern
[10:40:06] <|343373|> you have the solved thing already... just find both ^ and v and look for the pattern to understand how it works, also look at the 2nd magic square it will answer the other question you had
[10:40:34] <Lurker6*> http://prntscr.com/bpf2j1
[10:40:43] <|343373|> a pattarn in 2nd square*
[10:41:46] <Lurker6*>  4 3 8 5 * * * 2 8 3 8 6 5 * * are 'pattern' values below your ^ v line
[10:42:05] <Lurker6*> not sure yet how to transform them to any of patterns
[10:42:20] <|343373|> youre over complicating it
[10:46:34] <|343373|> also theres no 0^0v
[10:46:5*] <|343373|> its 2*^2*v or dr(mod*) 2
[10:52:36] <|343373|> 2*^ or 2*v not saying which
[11:03:37] <Lurker6*> there is ^andv, so it could be both, but in your proof in one case ^andv spread across two runes (TH E)
[11:04:21] <Lurker6*> appears to me that I need to look deeper, while you are saying i am overcomplicating thigs
[11:05:01] <|343373|> in that function/formula the ^ v ^v v^ ^/v v/^ arent permanently fixed they keep changing places
[11:05:34] <|343373|> in lower pages which use magic squares they are 100% constant
[11:05:57] <|343373|> they follow a pattern
[11:06:05] <|343373|> but they are not fixed to the same spot
[11:07:31] <|343373|> the 2*^ or 2*v should fix your problem of trying to find the right shifting pattern
[11:08:45] <|343373|> also 17^12v (8 3) not 12v17^(3 8)
[11:10:11] <|343373|> and its not 17^12v but 17^/12v
[11:13:05] <Lurker6*> <|343373|> Idk how much I can stretch the line but...  ^   v* and ^*   ^    ^ and  v     v and  ^     ^ and v  v   v and  ^ v and v ...
[11:13:42] <Lurker6*> this is how you stretched pattern previously, with * i marked this 12v17^
[11:14:12] <|343373|> stretched rules, not the pattern.
[11:14:53] <Lurker6*> it shoould be fist v then ^ also this would repeat the up down pattern from previous 15 up down shifts
[11:14:57] <|343373|> theres logic to that pattern and it continues in the next set of runes
[11:16:23] <Lurker6*> if you change order of 17/12 to 12/17 you get 10*1*110011000100 for first set and 11*0*110011000100 for second set
[11:16:24] <|343373|> sigh just for for the pattern of /7 in the 2nd set and youll understand
[11:16:32] <|343373|> look for *
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[15:41:11] <|343373|> You can add this into the pastebin : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repeating_decimal
[15:44:3*] <|343373|> Also can add this: http://prnt.sc/bmylec which you gave already... lol
[15:48:38] <|343373|> wait.. the pattern you gave there is the typo'd one xD
[15:48:3*] <|343373|> LOL
[15:51:40] <|343373|> The Real Pattern of Page 73(OR 56 of 0-57.jpg):
[15:51:40] <|343373|>   1    2  3   4      5       6      7   8   *  10  11 12  13 ... Rune Count
[15:51:40] <|343373|>   o    1  2   3      o       1      2   3   4   o   1  2   3 ... Rep of 1
[15:51:40] <|343373|>   A    N  E   N      D       W      I  TH   I   N  TH  E   D ... Letter
[15:51:40] <|343373|> (1^) 27v 4^ (6^)  10^/1*v 17v/12^ 16^ 11v (7v)  1v  1^22v 18v ... Shift
[15:51:41] <|343373|>  (1)   *  4  (6)    |1|     8 3     7   2  (7)  1    5     * ... Patterns
[15:51:43] <|343373|>   ^    v  ^   ^     ^ v     v ^     ^   v   v   v   ^ v    v ... Direction
[15:51:45] <|343373|>   o    1  2   o      1       2      3   4   o   1   2 3    4 ... Rep of 1, 6, 7
[15:52:32] <|343373|> ugh sec
[15:54:42] <|343373|> There:
[15:54:45] <|343373|> The Real Pattern of Page 73(OR 56 of 0-57.jpg):
[15:54:45] <|343373|>   1    2  3   4     5       6      7   8   *  10 11 12  13 ... Rune Count
[15:54:46] <|343373|>   o    1  2   3     o       1      2   3   4   o  1  2   3 ... Rep of 1
[15:54:46] <|343373|>   A    N  E   N     D       W      I  TH   I   N TH  E   D ... Letter
[15:54:47] <|343373|> (1^) 27v 4^ (6^) 10^/1*v 17v/12^ 16^ 11v (7v) 1v 1^22v 18v ... Shift
[15:54:4*] <|343373|>  (1)   *  4  (6)   |1|     8 3     7   2  (7)  1   5     * ... Patterns
[15:54:51] <|343373|>   ^    v  ^   ^    ^ v     v ^     ^   v   v   v  ^ v    v ... Direction
[15:54:53] <|343373|>   o    1  2   o     1       2      3   4   o   1  2 3    4 ... Rep of 1, 6, 7
[15:57:43] <Lurker6*> hmm, where is the differnce?
[15:58:23] <|343373|> more organized
[16:00:05] <Lurker6*> i see in 4th line
[16:01:14] <|343373|> The one you posted in pastebin has the direction typo
[16:03:03] <|343373|> kk its good now
[16:04:30] <Lurker6*> it was that first version with 1v22v, now its fixed
[16:05:05] <|343373|> ik kk :)
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[18:02:43] <|343373|> Can I have a log please? :)
[18:06:44] <Lurker6*> here http://pastebin.com/DNHVg22f
[18:1*:40] <|343373|> thanks
[21:08:12] <|343373|> lurker read the log of when you were afk
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[02:02:16] <|343373|> Do you have pgp atm?
[02:02:33] <|343373|> can you try verify my msg and see if it shows just email?
[02:03:03] <Lurker6*> yeah let me set it up
[02:04:11] <|343373|> Dont keep key id kk? :P
[02:04:43] <|343373|> I trust you about it because you already seen my email.. lol
[02:06:08] <|343373|> http://pastebin.com/wHqdbg0V
[02:08:17] <Lurker6*> without your public key i see only this http://prntscr.com/bs6hzk
[02:0*:13] <Lurker6*> wiht your public key i see this http://prntscr.com/bs6iko
[02:10:03] <|343373|> well fk...
[02:12:03] <Lurker6*> http://prntscr.com/bs6jf6 this is what i see if i give all the trust too signature and certify it
[02:12:58] <|343373|> What does it show in my info when you look up my key?
[02:12:58] <Lurker6*> http://prntscr.com/bs6jpv name is seen only in keychain and deatails
[02:13:25] <Lurker6*> https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=c*48372615%40gmail.com&op=index
[02:13:31] <|343373|> i see...
[02:13:31] <Lurker6*> name and email
[02:15:00] <Lurker6*> i think that cicada used Cicada 3301 (845145127) in email field, https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x181F01E57A350*0F
[02:15:17] <|343373|> ....
[02:15:23] <Lurker6*> you dont have to put actual email in email field when you create key
[02:17:51] <Lurker6*> http://prntscr.com/bs6lbs no
[02:18:12] <|343373|> your key still says your name though
[02:18:18] <Lurker6*> they left email field empty, used Cicada 3301 as name and 845145127 as comment
[02:18:21] <|343373|> whats wrong with mine
[02:18:22] <|343373|> LOL
[02:18:34] <|343373|> sigh
[02:20:04] <|343373|> kk, i never checked my signed messages on that certificate
[02:21:51] <|343373|> btw... uhhh delete me from your certificates please :)
[02:28:50] <Lurker6*> Kleopatra doesnt allow to create PGP key without email though
[02:2*:2*] <|343373|> I created mine long ago though, without kleopatra xD
[02:2*:31] <|343373|> well nvm
[02:35:18] <|343373|> did you delete it? btw Marcus had a pgp regged at mit since 2011 :o
[02:36:1*] <Lurker6*> yeah deleted
[02:3*:44] <|343373|> kk thanks
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[1*:26:16] <|343373|> Hi
[20:00:21] <Lurker6*> hi havent worked much on pattern these days
[20:00:55] <Lurker6*> i am not at home so i dont have mauch time to spend infront of computer, so i dont have many questions at the moment
[20:01:43] <|343373|> Heres something interesing about numbers :)
[20:01:44] <|343373|> Multiplication Table:
[20:01:44] <|343373|> x 12345678*
[20:01:44] <|343373|>   vvvvvvvvv
[20:01:44] <|343373|> 1>12345678*
[20:01:44] <|343373|> 2>24681357*
[20:01:46] <|343373|> 3>36*36*36*
[20:01:50] <|343373|> 4>48372615*
[20:01:52] <|343373|> 5>51627384*
[20:01:54] <|343373|> 6>63*63*63*
[20:01:56] <|343373|> 7>75318642*
[20:01:58] <|343373|> 8>87654321*
[20:02:00] <|343373|> *>*********
[20:02:02] <|343373|> Configuration of '1':
[20:02:04] <|343373|>  12345678*
[20:02:06] <|343373|>  1357*2468
[20:02:08] <|343373|>  147147147 *3 (147 instead of 36*)
[20:02:10] <|343373|>  15*483726
[20:02:12] <|343373|>  1627384*5
[20:02:14] <|343373|>  174174174 *6 (174 instead of 63*)
[20:02:16] <|343373|>  18642*753
[20:02:20] <|343373|>  1*8765432
[20:02:22] <|343373|>  111111111 ** (111 instead of ***)
[20:02:24] <|343373|> Configuration of '2':
[20:02:26] <|343373|> 2345678*1
[20:02:28] <|343373|> 24681357*
[20:02:30] <|343373|> 258258258 *3 (258 instead of 36*)
[20:02:32] <|343373|> 2615*4837
[20:02:34] <|343373|> 27384*516
[20:02:36] <|343373|> 285285285 *6 (285 instead of 63*)
[20:02:38] <|343373|> 2*7531864
[20:02:40] <|343373|> 21*876543
[20:02:42] <|343373|> 222222222 ** (222 instead of ***)
[20:02:44] <|343373|> Configuration of '3':
[20:02:46] <|343373|> 345678*12
[20:02:50] <|343373|> 357*24681
[20:02:52] <|343373|> 36*36*36* *3 (36* instead of 36*)
[20:02:54] <|343373|> 372615*48
[20:02:56] <|343373|> 384*51627
[20:02:58] <|343373|> 3*63*63*6 *6 (3*6 instead of 63*)
[20:03:00] <|343373|> 318642*75
[20:03:02] <|343373|> 321*87654
[20:03:04] <|343373|> 333333333 ** (333 instead of ***)
[20:03:06] <|343373|> Configuration of '4':
[20:03:08] <|343373|> 45678*123
[20:03:10] <|343373|> 4681357*2
[20:03:12] <|343373|> 471471471 *3 (471 instead of 36*)
[20:03:14] <|343373|> 48372615*
[20:03:16] <|343373|> 4*5162738
[20:03:20] <|343373|> 417417417 *6 (417 instead of 63*)
[20:03:22] <|343373|> 42*753186
[20:03:24] <|343373|> 4321*8765
[20:03:26] <|343373|> 444444444 ** (444 instead of ***)
[20:03:28] <|343373|> Configuration of '5':
[20:03:30] <|343373|> 5678*1234
[20:03:32] <|343373|> 57*246813
[20:03:34] <|343373|> 582582582 *3 (582 instead of 36*)
[20:03:36] <|343373|> 5*4837261
[20:03:38] <|343373|> 51627384*
[20:03:40] <|343373|> 528528528 *6 (528 instead of 63*)
[20:03:42] <|343373|> 5318642*7
[20:03:44] <|343373|> 54321*876
[20:03:46] <|343373|> 555555555 ** (555 instead of ***)
[20:03:50] <|343373|> Configuration of '6':
[20:03:52] <|343373|> 678*12345
[20:03:54] <|343373|> 681357*24
[20:03:56] <|343373|> 6*36*36*3 *3 (6*3 instead of 36*)
[20:03:58] <|343373|> 615*48372
[20:04:00] <|343373|> 627384*51
[20:04:02] <|343373|> 63*63*63* *6 (63* instead of 63*)
[20:04:04] <|343373|> 642*75318
[20:04:06] <|343373|> 654321*87
[20:04:08] <|343373|> 666666666 ** (666 instead of ***)
[20:04:10] <|343373|> Configuration of '7':
[20:04:12] <|343373|> 78*123456
[20:04:14] <|343373|> 7*2468135
[20:04:16] <|343373|> 714714714 *3 (714 instead of 36*)
[20:04:20] <|343373|> 72615*483
[20:04:22] <|343373|> 7384*5162
[20:04:24] <|343373|> 741741741 *6 (741 instead of 63*)
[20:04:26] <|343373|> 75318642*
[20:04:28] <|343373|> 7654321*8
[20:04:30] <|343373|> 777777777 ** (777 instead of ***)
[20:04:32] <|343373|> Configuration of '8':
[20:04:34] <|343373|> 8*1234567
[20:04:36] <|343373|> 81357*246
[20:04:38] <|343373|> 825825825 *3 (825 instead of 36*)
[20:04:40] <|343373|> 8372615*4
[20:04:42] <|343373|> 84*516273
[20:04:44] <|343373|> 852852852 *6 (852 instead of 63*)
[20:04:46] <|343373|> 8642*7531
[20:04:50] <|343373|> 87654321*
[20:04:52] <|343373|> 888888888 ** (888 instead of ***)
[20:04:54] <|343373|> Configuration of '*':
[20:04:56] <|343373|> *12345678
[20:04:58] <|343373|> *24681357
[20:05:00] <|343373|> *36*36*36 *3 (*36 instead of 36*)
[20:05:02] <|343373|> *48372615
[20:05:04] <|343373|> *51627384
[20:05:06] <|343373|> *63*63*63 *6 (*63 instead of 63*)
[20:05:08] <|343373|> *75318642
[20:05:10] <|343373|> *87654321
[20:05:12] <|343373|> ********* ** (*** instead of ***)
[20:05:20] <Lurker6*> sexy
[20:05:51] <Lurker6*> i was planning to do multiplication tables in google sheet, i can now use those
[20:06:21] <Lurker6*> btw shouldnt Configuration of '*' be just *s in all rows and columns
[20:06:22] <Lurker6*> ?
[20:06:48] <Lurker6*> no, i am idiot
[20:07:05] <Lurker6*> its just starting point of the pattern
[20:07:25] <|343373|> :)
[20:08:56] <Lurker6*> its nice how you get same patterns in in vertical columns as in horizontal rows
[20:10:52] <|343373|> our base10 system is so stupid.. but it allows change to 2 polar neutrals instead of to just base n-1(in base n-1[prime] system) perfect neutral
[20:14:46] <Lurker6*> i saw this on numberphile the other day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JM2oImb*Qg
[20:17:46] <|343373|> This is true only for counting whole '1's
[20:24:10] <|343373|> What Plato done was 1*2*3*4*5*6*7 (up to the first proper prime) to get the opposite of a prime.
[20:24:22] <|343373|> first opposite*
[20:26:23] <Lurker6*> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-I6XTVZXww lol that shit is crazy
[20:32:24] <|343373|> he gets *4 pattern
[20:32:34] <|343373|> not - 1/12
[20:32:37] <|343373|> =.="
[20:32:47] <|343373|> They go against the natural rules.
[23:55:37] <|343373|> is the editing open on purpose? lol
[23:56:26] <Lurker6*> yeah, i dont think anyone will fuck with it, and even if they do i can revert everytiong
[23:56:35] <Lurker6*> and i made a copy
[23:56:45] <|343373|> kk
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[04:5*:15] <|343373|> <marcusw> yeah he PM'd me the other day and gave me a heads-up that you made a key with a fake timestamp
[04:5*:16] <|343373|> <|343373|> .....
[04:5*:20] <|343373|> what?...
[05:02:07] <|343373|> <marcusw> all the solvers ops have compared notes on this
[05:02:08] <|343373|> <marcusw> and the thing that confuses us the most is that you're still expecting people to believe you
[05:02:28] <|343373|> <marcusw> I don't understand why you think you have some chance of anyone believing you
[05:02:28] <|343373|> <marcusw> the whole thing is just crappily done
[05:02:33] <|343373|> what?....
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[15:20:00] <|343373|> I got disconnected, so I didnt get your reply if you replied anything
[15:35:50] <Lurker6*> hi , yeah becasue you mentioned his PGP key specifically, i asked him if if he knows why you would be knowing about his key (although it is easy to find) and i have told him that your PGP key looks like it has fake creation date since date is the same as 3301s key, which would be quite a conincidence if key doesnt have fake timestamp
[15:36:52] <Lurker6*> unless you are trying to suggest that your and cicadas PGP keys were created at same time on same computer, which would be another hardly believable claim
[16:20:46] <Lurker6*> regardlesss PGP shenanigans i still havent given up on patterns approach, i am tyring to expand your proof on 3rd set of runes on page 56
[16:21:31] <Lurker6*> http://prntscr.com/bv*gnr
[16:44:46] <Lurker6*> but with including up and down shifts and option to add up and down values of one rune or two values of two runes next to each other together you can find /7 pattern almost anywhere http://prntscr.com/bv*t1a
[16:45:25] <Lurker6*> i have to go now, ill look into it a bit more later
[16:48:0*] <|343373|> After 2011 they had us(those who passed in 2011) all make a key on 4th-5th of jan 2012.
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[1*:22:45] <|343373|> Dont forget about the golden ratio while playing with the fibonacci mod n pattern. :)
[1*:24:22] <Lurker6*> only whole numbers no golden ratio
[1*:26:51] <|343373|> Pi ? (golden ratio^2)*1.2
[1*:27:35] <Lurker6*> i am not over with it yet but seems that for all patterns of n^even m you get palindromic patterns, while for n^odd m you don't
[1*:27:41] <Lurker6*> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10K0LW4gpKq-0OFDxAJ3Q4b*h3hWYMU3PzJtiGlQglIM/edit?usp=sharing
[1*:28:31] <Lurker6*> i need to do tables for primes, i tried fibonacci and n and that even=palindrome odd=not palindromes stands for both
[1*:30:1*] <|343373|> (1/1, 2/1, 3/2, 5/3, 8/5, 13/8, ..., or 1/1, 1/2, 2/3, 3/5, 5/8, 8/13, ...) are ratios of successive Fibonacci numbers, the higher you go the closer you get to the golden ratio.
[1*:32:26] <|343373|> Fibonacci pattern in mod* is 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 4, 3, 7, 1, 8, *, 8, 8, 7, 6, 4, 1, 5, 6, 2, 8, 1, *
[1*:33:42] <|343373|> 1st 12 numbers        11235843718*
[1*:33:43] <|343373|> 2nd 12 numbers        88764156281*
[1*:33:43] <|343373|> Added           ************
[1*:33:55] <|343373|> 1st 12 numbers        11235843718*
[1*:33:55] <|343373|> 2nd 12 numbers        88764156281*
[1*:33:55] <|343373|> Added          ************ *
[1*:36:10] <Lurker6*> interesting
[1*:43:58] <Lurker6*> same thing happens at mod7
[1*:44:04] <Lurker6*> 1 1 2 3 5 1 6 * 6 6 5 4 2 6 1 *
[1*:44:04] <Lurker6*> 1 1 2 3 5 1 6 *
[1*:44:04] <Lurker6*> 6 6 5 4 2 6 1 * +
[1*:44:04] <Lurker6*> 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 *
[1*:45:10] <|343373|> mod 5 and mod 3 too :)
[1*:45:4*] <|343373|> and theres no * in mod7
[1*:46:11] <|343373|> its 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7
[1*:47:02] <|343373|> (7=0 in base8)
[1*:56:1*] <|343373|> Btw look at n^5
[20:03:48] <Lurker6*> at n^5 mod * has pattern 15*72*48* almost /7 15*483726
[20:04:05] <|343373|> :)
[20:05:00] <|343373|> but its not /7
[20:05:08] <|343373|> :)
[20:07:27] <Lurker6*> brb, have to go
[20:11:3*] <|343373|> n^5 mod16 has the incomplete pattern of 1 3 5 7 * 2 4 6 ... every 2nd number( 1 16 3 16 5 16 7 16...), but it stops at 6
[20:18:34] <|343373|> (thats not important though)
[20:1*:5*] <|343373|> n^5 is interesting though :)
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[02:36:33] <|343373|> <Lurker6*> [13:27:2*] <|343373|> btw Liber Primus is almost like Undertale Sans, also youre the ones making it hard lol >was a joke
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[10:47:44] <|343373|> Hey, can I have the log from "<Lurker6*> that LAME is in original 761.mp3 also, version of mp3 in fake jpg is exact same file as original 761.mp3"?
[10:48:07] <|343373|> Can I please have*
[15:47:17] <Lurker6*> here http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?8a5abba618338ef0#cs1faYUrzXgVo76WOyFUsuo22Ja*hAe8p+sEiZnYcG8=
[15:47:17] * |343373|: No such nick/channel
[16:16:0*] <|343373|> Thanks
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[01:10:45] * |343373|: No such nick/channel
[01:10:57] * |343373|: No such nick/channel
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[18:44:42] <Lurker6*> [01:37:2*] <|343373|> 1764 may or may not be related to goya btw :)
[18:44:42] <Lurker6*> like this, what is you he mean by this?
[18:44:42] <Lurker6*> i found few sources on internet stating incorrectly that goya was born in 1764
[18:44:42] <Lurker6*> which i think is typo, he was born in 1746
[18:44:42] <Lurker6*> in 1764 he lost some kind of nomination and he went dark for two years
[18:45:10] <|343373|> not about his birth
[18:45:15] <|343373|> yes
[18:46:11] <|343373|> more important than that though, 432 can help solve LP
[18:48:55] <Lurker6*> yeah i noticed that video about * being one and everything and about 1 4 7 6 being positive nad 8 5 2 and 3 being negative
[18:4*:58] <Lurker6*> which is same thing you were explaining to me, i was amazed you didnt show me that video earlier
[18:54:05] <Lurker6*> * being nothing* and everything
[18:55:16] <|343373|> I have my reasons, also notice when you were given the 2nd part of LP and when 432 puzzle was created.
[1*:00:48] <Lurker6*> 10/6/2014 seems to be first post about 432 on /x/, we got last pages of LP on 3/2/2014
[1*:05:32] <|343373|> The Onion 7 back in Feb? lol
[1*:06:55] <Lurker6*> i meant may second, 5/2/2014
[1*:07:05] <Lurker6*> 432 was october
[1*:08:56] <|343373|> :)
[1*:11:02] <|343373|> 16(10+6) and 7(5+2)
[1*:11:28] <Lurker6*> yeah i noticed, both dates are 7/7 and 7/7
[1*:11:37] <Lurker6*> 2014 is also 7
[1*:11:43] <|343373|> mhm
[1*:14:47] <|343373|> 432 are both a hint/help to solve LP and a distraction/decoy. 432 was made by a person who goes by the name of "gHOST3301", heres his message: https://clyp.it/q0lirphq (someone reuploaded it)
[1*:16:26] <|343373|> The cicadas there and the 3301 in his name are the only things that had an obvious link between 432 and 3301
[1*:1*:40] <Lurker6*> i think i have came acroos this nick before, cant remmeber where exactly
[1*:20:34] <Lurker6*> across*
[1*:21:37] <Lurker6*> i think this might be why i remember seeing it beforehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjBHyKo0wgU
[1*:21:45] <Lurker6*> i think this might be why i remember seeing it before https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjBHyKo0wgU
[1*:22:36] <|343373|> He is someone who after making the hints started acting like a troll on purpose, so that ppl wouldnt suspect him too much lol
[1*:26:43] <|343373|> They made this bullshit later to appear as trolls: http://wearetheresistance.wikidot.com/
[1*:38:53] <|343373|> (gHOST3301 is not part of 3301, as far as a I know..)
[1*:48:48] <|343373|> HOLYSHIT forget all I just told you for now, I just figured something out, gotta check something
[1*:4*:56] <|343373|> THEY ARE RELATED TO PI MOBI too
[1*:50:00] <|343373|> wow... wtf
[1*:55:55] <Lurker6*> where is the connection?
[1*:56:23] <|343373|> http://wearetheresistance.wdfiles.com/local--files/main:start/despierta.mp3
[1*:56:26] <|343373|> there
[1*:58:20] <Lurker6*> yeah pi mobi guys also use clyp.it alot
[1*:58:36] <|343373|> http://wearetheresistance.wdfiles.com/local--files/main:start/Hello%20World%203301.mp4
[1*:58:38] <|343373|> this too
[1*:58:40] <|343373|> weird
[1*:58:41] <Lurker6*> https://clyp.it/1vabl0z3
[1*:5*:00] <|343373|> I think I found something I wasnt suppsoed to lol
[1*:5*:05] <Lurker6*> https://clyp.it/4hmv34py
[1*:5*:25] <Lurker6*> https://clyp.it/r3qapm4u
[1*:5*:34] <Lurker6*> those links are all from pi.mobi PMs
[1*:5*:47] <|343373|> welp if he is related to 3301 or just helped make 432 then made pi mobi after he was done idk
[20:02:12] <|343373|> Keep this to yourself for now, we dont know what we found there lol, I really wish I could contact 3301 through the rules page to ask them :/
[20:02:33] <|343373|> (if they are related or if its just a troll)
[20:14:23] <|343373|> Okay, I think he's bullshit that 3301 used for 432 in 2014
[20:1*:02] <Lurker6*> how did you found those files on http://wearetheresistance.wdfiles.com/local--files/main:start/ ?
[20:24:51] <|343373|> http://www.wikidot.com/user:info/ghost3301 > Recent contributions LOL!
[20:26:16] <Lurker6*> lol
[20:28:5*] <|343373|> Conclusion is, he is bullshit, but 432 does play a role, so he probably got discarded due to some reason and either started trying to solve pi mobi or involved with them.. lol
[20:30:48] <|343373|> I still think pi mobi is fake but does have hints from ppl who solved LP(atleast 50% of it)
[20:40:13] <Lurker6*> i found it hard to believe that people who are able to solve LP would be involved in pi.mobi, but you never know, everything is possible
[20:41:22] <|343373|> Maybe just 1 person there
[20:42:05] <|343373|> not the whole group, probably just 1 person secretly adding actual hints into there
[20:42:36] <|343373|> But yeah then again, you never know, everything is possible
[20:45:01] <|343373|> http://wearetheresistance.wdfiles.com/local--files/blog:1/ghost3301_720.png Yeah this guy looks like a troll
[20:46:18] <|343373|> wait... or it might be hinting to the pic in the middle of 3301.jpg ... ffs
[21:3*:18] <|343373|> http://oi66.tinypic.com/2ppg77c.jpg
[21:3*:1*] <|343373|> what
[21:51:02] <|343373|> nvm gHOST3301 is just an unrelated troll
[22:24:21] <|343373|> I had my hopes up.. :/
[22:34:46] <|343373|> LURkER
[22:35:03] <|343373|> WHere did you meet sage?
[22:35:28] <Lurker6*> i dont think that guy is sage
[22:36:08] <Lurker6*> i met sage at 3301 and later at umbra arg, in 2012
[22:36:16] <|343373|> I talked to him a bit earlier.. he talked the same way as sage
[22:36:35] <Lurker6*> he was friend with marcus from n0v4 IRc network where one of 3301 channels was
[22:36:52] <|343373|> When I asked him if its him he suddenly stopped replying
[22:37:05] <Lurker6*> i sent message to sage on wickr, ill tell you if he answers
[22:37:28] <Lurker6*> i havent heard from him for long time
[22:37:2*] <|343373|> When have you last heard from sage?
[22:37:31] <|343373|> oh...
[22:42:52] <Lurker6*> [08:2*:4*] --> lardbucket (uid165212@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gtrjluylcywqvpns) has joined #cicadasolvers
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[22:43:22] <Lurker6*> seems he was online today, cca 14 hours ago, dindt say anything
[22:44:06] <|343373|> :o
[23:01:33] <|343373|> I kept trying to ask ghost if he knows whats 7/7=? or what its related to?
[23:01:41] <|343373|> he said:
[23:0*:25] <|343373|> <gHOST3301> I will share this , for I must be off for a bit to check on other things .
[23:0*:25] <|343373|>  <gHOST3301> 1. Mathematics is the language of nature......2. Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers....3. If you graph the system of any numbers patterns emerge....4. There are patterns everywhere in nature...... ...
[23:0*:31] <|343373|> <gHOST3301> I am neutral in this matter . And will not go into further detail on this . So Good Luck .   ;)
[23:10:03] <|343373|> <|343373|> I will ask you this then... Do you know what it equals to when youre dealing with a prime? yes/no?
[23:10:27] <|343373|> <gHOST3301> I have tried to be patience with you , and answered you're questions for you . What is so hard to understand that I will not help or give any hints on anything related to this puzzle .  I only give hints or help on my own accord at random times over the past years .
[23:10:47] <|343373|>  <|343373|> Im not asking for hints, Im trying to understand you... I know what 7/7 is lol
[23:11:04] <|343373|>  <@gHOST3301> No need to try to "understand" me . Much better things to focus on then this .
[23:11:12] <|343373|>  <@gHOST3301> Many have tried what you're trying to do over the years , you will not win this .  ;)
[23:11:1*] <|343373|>  <@gHOST3301> So leave it alone .
[23:11:4*] <|343373|>  <|343373|> Im sorry, Its just, I want to know if you know 7/7=?, not trying to find out anything else. (as proof that I do know it, Full Reptend *4 )
[23:11:51] <|343373|>  <@gHOST3301> I already told you I am not going to answer on topics of this nature . So please do not be redundant , for the 3rd time .
[23:11:58] <|343373|> What do you think?
[23:13:47] <|343373|> <@gHOST3301> If you "know" what you know , then no need to cross check it with me or anyone else right ? .  ;)
[23:13:58] <|343373|> <@gHOST3301> "We seek the best .........Not the followers" ........  ;)
[23:14:03] <|343373|> HMMMM
[23:14:06] <|343373|> ... O.o
[23:14:22] <|343373|> Btw keep this to yourself please.. lol
[23:17:25] <Lurker6*> he talks in similar way than you do, trying to be mysterious; but on the other hand he also talks about patterns being everywhere so has some knowledge of your patterns approach
[23:18:36] <|343373|> Which eitehr he finished LP too, or he's part of 3301
[23:18:3*] <|343373|> either*
[23:18:4*] <Lurker6*> interesting how he uses space before . and he uses dot even after ?
[23:1*:24] <|343373|> and all those ...............
[23:20:41] <Lurker6*> just knowing that patterns appear in nature doesnt mean he solved LP, but yeah he shares some number theory knowledge with you, he clearly knows about importance of digit * and positive negative digits, if he was solving 432 puzzle
[23:21:43] <Lurker6*> seems like he is also making fake 3301 look-alike puzzles, but 432 doesnt appear to be his creation
[23:23:34] <|343373|> yeah... Idk wait are you in that chat too?
[23:24:10] <Lurker6*> lol yeah
[23:24:25] <Lurker6*> i found that wikidot page http://howwillyoutelltheworld.wikidot.com/start
[23:24:30] <|343373|> FFS
[23:24:3*] <|343373|> This is embarrassing
[23:24:40] <|343373|> LOL
[23:25:04] <|343373|> Are you that Bruhaha?
[23:25:30] <|343373|> or fotr?
[23:25:43] <Lurker6*> yeah Bruhaha, i was asking him similar questions earlier
[23:26:00] <|343373|> LOL
[23:26:02] <|343373|> Fk
[23:26:06] <|343373|> what did he say?
[23:26:0*] <|343373|> can I have a log?
[23:26:24] <|343373|> you shouldve warned me, I'd go differently about it if I knew
[23:31:28] <Lurker6*> no need to warn you, also I wanted to use Bruhaha nick out of this
[23:31:31] <Lurker6*> logs
[23:32:42] <|343373|> ?
[23:33:23] <Lurker6*> https://linx.li/sp6wkb22.txt
[23:33:56] <Lurker6*> i asked him about links you posted, he denied being involved in pi.mobi or 432
[23:34:1*] <Lurker6*> but he would deny it even if he would be involved anyways
[23:35:05] <Lurker6*> although i dont think he is involved in any of those zwo, he is always signing his own puzzles with gHOST3301, he calls himself "messager"
[23:35:28] <Lurker6*> "messenger"
[23:41:07] <Lurker6*> he didnt say he solved LP but he is saying he is posting "clues", he dosnt say if clues are towards LP solution though, jsut vague statements about "find the path"
[23:47:03] <|343373|> Sorry, Im slightly pissed at the way you made it sound... :/
[23:50:02] <Lurker6*> i appologize but i had to tell him why i was asking him questions, so i said that somebody is saying gHOST might be involved in432 and pi.mobi
[23:50:20] <|343373|> I didint say I was sure about it
[23:50:27] <|343373|> when I told about it to you
[23:50:41] <|343373|> It seemed like he made it
[23:51:08] <Lurker6*> and i called your patterm approach "troll attempt" since i dont know how should i call it until i figure out if it leads to LP solution or not
[23:54:15] <Lurker6*> but i havent gave up on it just yet, i just havent spent any time on this in past week or so
[23:55:22] <Lurker6*> i need to get back on those ^ v shifts
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[00:05:50] <|343373|> Sorry, normally I dont care about how Im presented or talked about behind my back, but in this case it somehow managed to touch me. (sorry I lost my mood atm)
[00:07:16] <|343373|> Thanks :/
[00:07:37] <|343373|> (about just now on the channel)
[00:0*:47] <Lurker6*> sorry again
[00:10:12] <Lurker6*> looks like gHOSt have been accused of being PM of 432 or 3302 few times before, and he acts like he doestn like it
[00:10:13] <|343373|> Its okay..
[00:10:43] <Lurker6*> but on the other hand he is using clear references to cicada and 3301 in his puzzles and even his nick...
[00:10:56] <Lurker6*> not sure why he exxpects people not to think he is somehow related
[00:15:02] <|343373|> And he was on guard when I came with the 7 / 7 = ? question because you said 7/7 there, so Im not sure if he actually answered it or it was a coincidence of periods(.) "......"
[00:28:01] <Lurker6*> not sure about number of ...., seems he just type random number of dots each time
[00:28:21] <Lurker6*> but he had said few interesting things like
[00:28:22] <|343373|> Didnt seem that way
[00:28:24] <|343373|> but maybe
[00:2*:4*] <Lurker6*>  " I will not help or give any hints on anything related to this puzzle .  I only give hints or help on my own accord at random times over the past years . "
[00:30:57] <Lurker6*> he does try to act like knows a bit more than other do, but this isnt surprizing from guy who likes puzzles in general
[00:31:20] <|343373|> The question is how much he knows...
[00:31:51] <|343373|> Now I cant find out if he's on the the rules page or not, since he's fully on guard against me now...
[00:31:52] <|343373|> ol
[00:32:02] <|343373|> lol
[00:33:38] <Lurker6*> <gHOST3301> "he claims that 432 is part of clues from 3301 about solution of LP"......Well this I could see , due to the very similar method's used to get the data and degree of output information given .
[00:33:43] <Lurker6*> > similar method's
[00:33:46] <Lurker6*> i dont know
[00:34:20] <|343373|> He most likely solved atleast abit
[00:35:06] <Lurker6*> he sounds lots like you do, vague and mysterious, which makes it hard to tell if it is sincere and true or not
[00:35:28] <Lurker6*> i dont know if you solved anything either
[00:35:41] <|343373|> Yup, and how he's on guard against us, gg lol
[00:36:06] <|343373|> now*
[00:36:20] <Lurker6*> my vstance comes from solvers community which was based on sharing of knolwdge and openly talking about solutions with clear  explanations of every step of the puzzle
[00:37:48] <Lurker6*> so i dont like your or his way of that mysterious shenanigans, i am for transparency at all costs
[00:38:10] <|343373|> If he's at the rules page or had any time of contact with 3301 then I understand why he's acting like that, since I do have rule lines I must not cross..
[00:38:30] <|343373|> Sorry :/
[00:3*:21] <Lurker6*> i can understand that if LP explicitly says that nothing from it can be shared, you respect that and dont want to share any of it
[00:3*:27] <|343373|> any type*
[00:40:08] <Lurker6*> but i hard it find to believe that most of the people who found solution of at least part of LP would not share it with others
[00:40:47] <Lurker6*> in my opinion most poeople would rush to wikia and reddit as soon as they would decode 3 words from a page
[00:41:11] <|343373|> If they rules didnt say I couldnt share and if I havent finished LP (getting to that rules page) I wouldve been able to talk almost openly about what I found etc...
[00:43:40] <Lurker6*> thats part of my point, why you or anybody else didnt start talking about cipher key before you got to the rules page? i know some poeple want to solve it by themselves before they publish any results
[00:44:10] <Lurker6*> but most of us in solvers comunity start sharing solution as soon as we see it leads somewhere
[00:44:16] <|343373|> Well... I didnt see the need to share it back then.. the first hour after getting 0-57 (which werent publicly released back then yet) I already managed to find the solution for 00-14.jpg :/
[00:44:22] <Lurker6*> but i cant expect everyone to act like this ofcourse
[00:46:01] <|343373|> And they were clear about wanting ppl to work alone when they gave the 00-74 on that page...
[00:4*:08] <|343373|> There was nothing about not sharing results etc, and just said to work alone... But because I was able to solve it by myself I didnt see the need to share it back then.. and then when I got to rules page I couldnt already..
[00:50:04] <|343373|> (While solving it I thought it was a race again)
[00:50:56] <Lurker6*> so you alone solved first 17 (solved) pages and then next 14 (unsolved) pages in an hour?
[00:51:24] <|343373|> first 17 long before that
[00:51:34] <Lurker6*> or did i understand you wrong when you said that you got 0-74 pages all at once and you got them in parts as we did?
[00:52:08] <|343373|> then the first hour after I found 0-57 I found the method to solve 0-14
[00:52:21] <|343373|> then took me few days for the next one
[00:53:08] <|343373|> Its not that hard overall.. you're just looking at it wrong
[00:54:52] <|343373|> the first 17 and the 0-57 were released at different times, when they game the 00-74 they had the first 17 in them already, but the first 17 were there before the 00-74 update
[00:55:01] <|343373|> they gave*
[00:56:01] <Lurker6*> i need to finish that ^ v pattern you posted as proof first, then i need to check that same ^ v thing would work on first 17 pages
[00:56:12] <|343373|> first 17 at the end of 2013, then it suddenly turned into 00-74 after some months
[00:57:58] <Lurker6*> although i am not entirely sure how decryption would work even if you know the ^v pattern, since for example 2^ in base 10 can mean shift for 2, 11 or 20 in base30, and thats not even including all the possibilites where one number in pattern can be sum of two shits for two runes standing next to each other
[00:58:00] <|343373|> 00-16 turned into 00-74 after some months
[00:58:40] <|343373|> dont look at the ^ v for the first 15 pages
[00:58:5*] <|343373|> just find the pattern and use it.
[00:5*:38] <|343373|> the mod2* shifting pattern will mod* into a pattern you know...
[01:00:13] <|343373|> I cant say more than that...
[01:02:01] <Lurker6*> i have been looking at that before, didnt found any pattern though
[01:02:20] <Lurker6*> DIUINITY
[01:02:20] <Lurker6*> 23^6v 10^1*v 1^28v 10^1*v *^20v 10^1*v 16^13v 26^3v
[01:02:20] <Lurker6*> 5  6   1  1  1  1   1  1  *  2  1   1   7  4   8 3
[01:02:20] <Lurker6*> FIRFUMFERENFE
[01:02:20] <Lurker6*> 2*^2*v 10^1*v 4^25v 2*^2*v 1^28v 1*^10v 2*^2*v 18^11v 4^25v 18^11v *^20v 2*^2*v 18^11v
[01:02:20] <Lurker6*> 2  2    1  1  4  7  2  2   1  1   1  1   2  2   *  2  4  7   *  2  *  2   2  2   *  2
[01:06:31] <Lurker6*> and that atbash works completely differently since it is monoalphabetic and pattern of /14 needs to be applied to gematria not to runes in ciphertext as with polyalphabetic cipher in previous two examples
[01:07:30] <Lurker6*> brb
[02:06:1*] <|343373|> Whats did you set as the server? Mine keeps either not finding or refusing connection lol
[02:07:20] <Lurker6*> Host: cfyfz6afpgfeirst.onion
[02:07:20] <Lurker6*> Port: 6667
[02:07:20] <Lurker6*> Connection is already encrypted by Tor, so do NOT enable additional SSL for the connection.
[02:07:37] <Lurker6*> dissable ssl
[02:07:44] <|343373|> Weird its rejecting or not finding it.. lol
[02:0*:00] <Lurker6*> and you have to proxy it, 127.0.0.1 and port *150, if you are using default tor settings
[02:0*:21] <Lurker6*> maybe you dont have proxy settings right
[02:11:48] <|343373|> wait what proxy type?
[02:11:5*] <Lurker6*> socks 5
[02:18:18] <|343373|> Connection refused LOl
[02:23:37] <Lurker6*> hmm... and you have tor browser/boundle running right?
[02:23:45] <|343373|> yeah
[02:23:47] <|343373|> lol
[02:25:18] <Lurker6*> i dont know specifics about your client, but as i said mine for some reason demands to restart it before you I connect to newly created onion server IRC network
[02:25:58] <|343373|> kk Ill try again later, thanks
[02:26:20] <Lurker6*> but for all clients it should work if you use add: cfyfz6afpgfeirst.onion port: 6667 ssl: OFF  proxy: localhost or 127.0.0.1 port: *150
[02:28:16] <Lurker6*> maybe you have tor on poet *050 not on *150
[02:28:23] <|343373|> I think I know whats the problem, Ill try fix it later, thanks anyway lol
[02:28:45] <Lurker6*> its on *150 only if you use tor browser it hink, linux versions are still on *050 iirc
[02:33:32] <Lurker6*> you can try cyberguerilla one to check if only Anarplex server rejects your connection
[02:34:06] <Lurker6*> CyberGuerrilla 6dvj6v5imhny3anf.onion port:66*7 SSL:ON proxy:127.0.0.1 port:*150
[02:34:13] <Lurker6*> that one also works for me
[22:3*:0*] * |343373|: No such nick/channel
[00:00:00] - {Day changed to *. avgust 2016}
[05:41:25] <Lurker6*> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbyc*JW3vtk
[05:41:25] * |343373|: No such nick/channel






Aug 03 2016 16:31:42	<|343373|>	Btw you dont believe me about the 3301 public puzzles starting back in 2011? :)
Aug 03 2016 16:33:23	<brotherBox>	its not like i disbelieve
Aug 03 2016 16:33:34	<brotherBox>	but i have never seen anything credible that supports that
Aug 03 2016 16:33:3*	<|343373|>	3301 have not chosen the year to begin the public puzzles randomly, and I am sure you are aware that they do not make mistakes in their plans. Look whats 1033 Dec to Octal.
Aug 03 2016 16:33:51	<brotherBox>	they do make mistakes
Aug 03 2016 16:34:22	<|343373|>	They do but not of the timing kind...
Aug 03 2016 16:34:35	<brotherBox>	i really dont care about numerical coincidences, if you show me a cicada message or something from 2011 this entire thing looks different
Aug 03 2016 16:34:53	<brotherBox>	but assertions arent going to demonstrate anything
Aug 03 2016 16:35:43	<brotherBox>	also nothing about the tonus from 2012, the first puzzle that is documented, speaks to there having been previous puzzles
Aug 03 2016 16:36:20	<brotherBox>	look back to the reddit phase of the puzzle, there is a doormat image saying "Welcome", and they give instructions that from this point onwards they would sign their communications
Aug 03 2016 16:36:37	<|343373|>	They had us all(the 2011) create pgp key back on 4th~5th of jan 2012, so there was no pgp sign back in 2011
Aug 03 2016 16:36:57	<brotherBox>	then you have a really hard time proving that
Aug 03 2016 16:37:12	<brotherBox>	and if experience is any guide you are either wrong, mistaken or trolling
Aug 03 2016 16:37:5*	<brotherBox>	so by basically having said that there is no hard proof, i fail to see why you even bring it up
Aug 03 2016 16:3*:02	<|343373|>	Then I guess its just another "numerical coincidence" to you :)
Aug 03 2016 16:3*:12	<brotherBox>	this is not about what i believe
Aug 03 2016 16:3*:26	<brotherBox>	this is about what you believe and more/most importantly, why you believe it





<Fu-Xi> 7 / 7 = ?
<amone> @wa 7/7
<amone> !wa 7/7
<TaiiwoBot> 7/7
<TaiiwoBot> 1
<TaiiwoBot> one
<TaiiwoBot> *
<Fu-Xi> 7 / 7 = ? (other than 1)
<amone> <TaiiwoBot> *
<brotherBox> Fu-Xi: that is complete nonsense
<brotherBox> wasnt that said in a forum thread
<brotherBox> well, 7/7 = 1 there is no question about t
<brotherBox> *it
<brotherBox> there is just no other real solution
<brotherBox> Fu-Xi: https://github.com/AceLewis/my_first_calculator.py/blob/master/my_first_calculator.py
<TaiiwoBot> ^ my_first_calculator.py/my_first_calculator.py at master · AceLewis/my_first_calculator.py · GitHub https://tinyurl.com/zokgl6k ^
<ComicSys> hola
<ComicSys> I have returned
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<brotherBox> 7 / 7 = ?
<dude12312414> I think 7 / 7 = ?Ż??? ?Ż)
<dude12312414> ?Ż??? ?Ż) ?Ż??? ?Ż) ?Ż??? ?Ż) ?Ż??? ?Ż) ?Ż??? ?Ż) ?Ż??? ?Ż) ?Ż??? ?Ż) ?Ż??? ?Ż) ?Ż??? ?Ż) ?Ż??? ?Ż)
<dude12312414> ehh
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<bigfuxer> {"total_hosts":152144,"clients":104,"unscanned_hosts":103837,"scanned_hosts":48307}
<bigfuxer> scanning all prime ports + range from last years boxes
<brotherBox> damn
<brotherBox> i didnt know you were doing that
<brotherBox> that is some grade a autism and i am very impressed
<bigfuxer> haha.. yeah.. please don't get the impression it's only me.. the other guys just aren't as verbose ;)
<bigfuxer> nap at beach now.. cya
<amone1> lazy bigfuxer
<glyph_> hEre cOME DaT BOI
<glyph_> O SHIT WADDUp
<windweht> ?
<windweht> sorry?
<glyph_> memes
<glyph_> ok bois
<glyph_> lets solve this shit u kno
<windweht> if it where that easy...
<windweht> u kno XD
<rmartins> there was a guy in the comment section of "2016 puzzle" page
<rmartins> that came up with some interesting results while trying vigenére
<glyph_> well vignére sounds like a nice idea
<glyph_> we just have to know the shift values if that was the answer
<glyph_> u know
<glyph_> boi
<brotherBox> hi
<windweht> :)
<windweht> hi
<brotherBox> windweht: thats a very german nick
<windweht> yes it is
<brotherBox> zumal es so stürmisch ist
<glyph_> BROTHERBOXXXXXXX
<glyph_> ich bin sehr scheisse
<brotherBox> i know im hot shit but not even i deserve that many X's
<brotherBox> glyph_: i am inclined to agree
<windweht> yes, you do
<windweht> at leas 3
<windweht> *least
<glyph_> brotherbox sounds like some deep web incest video
<glyph_> perfect timing
<windweht> viel besser
<brotherBoXXX> glyph_: i used to have the nick brother
<brotherBoXXX> but on freenode it wasnt available when i registered my nick
<glyph_> :((
<brotherBoXXX> so i went with brotherBox because who knows
<brotherBox> geht ne
<glyph_> is there any progress or everything's dead
<windweht> no and no
<rmartins> http://uncovering-cicada.wikia.com/wiki/2016_Puzzle#comm-text-23006
<TaiiwoBot> ^ 2016 Puzzle - Uncovering Cicada Wiki - Wikia ^
<brotherBox> windweht: what do you know
<brotherBox> actually
<brotherBox> that sounds rather promising
<glyph_> dat boi
<brotherBox> in fact
<brotherBox> if that is true it sounds rather brilliant
<brotherBox> >i have to admit, i tried to reproduce this using your method and this is not at all what i got. sorry.
<glyph_> what are you talking bout boi
<brotherBox> what rmartins just posted
<glyph_> gonna take a look u kno
<glyph_> "Cicada_Solver and XDDD dude"
<glyph_> damn the XDDD dude sounds like a nice guy
<brotherBox> i dont read wiki comments
<glyph_> part of the post
<glyph_> anyway sounds like a nice idea
<brotherBox> that post sounds great
<brotherBox> but it couldnt be reproduced apparently
<rmartins> brotherBox: yeah, I didnt try to reproduce either
<rmartins> but it looked interesting
<glyph_> cummies
<brotherBox> yes
<glyph_> grimestep and crack
<glyph_> is the shit i drop
<glyph_> bois
<Fu-Xi> The primes are sacred, totient function is sacred, 3 6 * 7 are the secret, 3301 is the lock, 7/7 is the key..The primes are sacred, totient function is sacred, 3 6 * 7 are the secret, 3301 is the lock, 7/7 is the key.. :o
<brotherBox> Fu-Xi: are you the guy in the /x/ threads
<Fu-Xi> what threads?
<brotherBox> the ones on /x/
<Fu-Xi> sec brb
<brotherBox> because i see this 3 6 * 7 crap everywhere
<brotherBox> and when someone asks whats it supposed to mean its all "u have to figure it out yourself LOL"
<brotherBox> it retarded
<Fu-Xi> oh wow those hints were given already ;) hmm yeah you could say its me :D -takes credit-
<brotherBox> yeah whats the deal with that
<Fu-Xi> I cant tell you more than what was told already sorry :o
<brotherBox> you know what you look like right
<Fu-Xi> mhm
<brotherBox> without anything to back up your claims you're frankly just annoying
<Sssooooouuul> yeah dude
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<Sssooooouuul> any hints really becuase we dont trust people much anymore
<brotherBox> the thing is, if you convince me there's anything to it, quite a few people will open up to your thoughts
<brotherBox> Sssooooouuul: you're here for like 15m
<brotherBox> the way things are you sound like a self-important roleplayer. it doesnt need to be theat way
<brotherBox> *that
<Fu-Xi> There are rules to how it works, the way you look at things is important, if I give you an answer to something it might make you unable to find the right way/angle of looking at "everything"..
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<brotherBox> who opped me
<windweht> :D
<brotherBox> i stepped down
<brotherBox> Fu-Xi: the problem is your incomplete approach
<brotherBox> what you're doing is teasing at a solution and people dont like to be baited into giving attention. if you kept silent it would be okay and if you talked frankly it would be okay
<Sssooooouuul> so i assume 7/7 is a reference to the bible
<Sssooooouuul> because seek and you will find or whatever it is
<Fu-Xi> no its purely number
<brotherBox> in my humble submission it is made up shit
<Fu-Xi> and nature of how laws work
<brotherBox> Fu-Xi: are we speaking of / in terms of division
<Fu-Xi> Okay, are you willing to lose your chance of getting the right angle of approach to things by getting the proof?
<Fu-Xi> yes brotherbox
<Sssooooouuul> of i thought the slash was seperation
<windweht> not that 7 / 7 != 1 stuff again...
<brotherBox> Fu-Xi: my angle can be corrected, i correct my perspectves many times a day
<Fu-Xi> no its actual division like 4/2 = 2
<Sssooooouuul> ok
<brotherBox> a proof is the ultimate demonstration that what you're saying is right
<brotherBox> after a successful proof you are almost impervious to criticim
<windweht> "ULTIMATE TRUTH IS THE ULTIMATE ILLUSION"
<Fu-Xi> yes i can provide you with one but it will make it very hard for you to find the right approach to things yourself after you see the proof
<Sssoul> Fu can you give us an example and still make it comprehendable how you got there
<Fu-Xi> the main point is for you to be able to find it yourself
<Sssoul> Like tell us what to look at, what perspective to start at
<iIIustrious> what's the trollin today lads
<brotherBox> to stay in the spirit of the new radiohead album https://boards.4chan.org/mu/thread/64687867
<TaiiwoBot> ^ /mu/ - RADIOHEAD LEAK GET IT NOW - Music - 4chan ^
<brotherBox> err
<brotherBox> https://i.4cdn.org/mu/1462727703123.png
<TaiiwoBot> ^ Image of: person(**%) sport(68%) ^
<brotherBox> >sport
<brotherBox> thom is not a sport
<brotherBox> he is a next level autist
<iIIustrious> lol
<Fu-Xi> the most hint i can give is that you need to look into te nature of the numbers.. one way of looking at the nature of them is to use digital root or mod*
<Fu-Xi> the
<brotherBox> Fu-Xi: i have never heard of anyone describing nature of numbers even remotely in terms of mod *
<Fu-Xi> nature of the laws behind the numbers. numbers are symbols for(and describing) a small portion of the rules by which the universe works
<windweht> It helps to see the digital root of a positive integer as the position it holds with respect to the largest multiple of * less than it. For example, the digital root of 11 is 2, which means that 11 is the second number after *. Likewise, the digital root of 2035 is 1, which means that 2035 - 1 is a multiple of *. If a number produces a digital root of exactly *, then the number is a multiple of *.
<iIIustrious> what an excellent list of random bullshit that is
<brotherBox> windweht: thats more musings on divisibility of numbers
<Fu-Xi> base10 goes from 0 to *, 11 is the 2 of the 2nd cycle
<brotherBox> rather than factoring in mod *
<Fu-Xi> well of the first cycles actually because 2 is of the 0th cycle
<brotherBox> Fu-Xi: you are inconsistent
<Fu-Xi> 0 is nothing, * is the biggest/perfect number of base10.
<brotherBox> how do you define perfect
<Fu-Xi> most complete number
<brotherBox> because there is a definition for a perfect natural number
<Sssoul> perfect factor i assume
<Fu-Xi> theres no digit higher than * in a base 10
<brotherBox> in fact, 6 is the only perfect number < 10
<brotherBox> as the sum of its divisors equal to itself
<Fu-Xi> once it becomes * when you multiply it it will stay * forever
<brotherBox> Fu-Xi: give an example
<Sssoul> um no
<Sssoul> 1* mod 10 is * multiply by 2 then its 8
<Fu-Xi> * *x = *
<Sssoul> not true though
<Fu-Xi> theres no 10th digit in base10
<Sssoul> 0-*
<brotherBox> Fu-Xi: thats right, when the overflow happens
<brotherBox> i fail to see the relation to anything
<Sssoul> * ,1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 when you mutiple * x 2
<Fu-Xi> 0 = nothing, * = everything, 10 = 1 of 2nd set and 0 of first set
<brotherBox> Fu-Xi: whats with all the numbers in between
<brotherBox> what are they
<iIIustrious> this sounds like facebookers kind of "deep" so far lol
<Fu-Xi> you can simplify base10 to the digits 1-* and a 0(nothing)
<Fu-Xi> they have their own behavior
<Fu-Xi> their own nature/laws by which they work
<Guest37686> lol Fu-Xi sounds like total BS to me
<Guest37686> Anyway guys picking up on the link posted earlier: http://uncovering-cicada.wikia.com/wiki/2016_Puzzle#comm-text-23006
<TaiiwoBot> ^ 2016 Puzzle - Uncovering Cicada Wiki - Wikia ^
<Sssoul> yeah dude
<Fu-Xi> .. im very tempted to explain it to you but i have to choose my words carefully to not say things that will ruin your path..
<Sssoul> show us how it works
<Guest37686> If you decode page 55 using the key "THEMAP" as stated then the first characters that come out are "ASIGNG" like the poster stated
<Guest37686> That does seem promising
<Guest37686> If you repeatedly apply the key you get ASIGNGEWCSFSAEXIAIOBSPMRYAPPORVSSHOEABCSNGMEOTMHRYHTHNAOPAECTHFNGCOIATNGCOEEMTHFIVEAYVNGPO
<bigfuxer> Fu-Xi, don't explain.. we'll figure it out.. just translate 1 sentences (> 4 words) of the still encrypted text... betcha you can't :)
<Sssoul> because right now all you say is base ten which gets rid of gematria value
<Sssoul> yeah fu first three words pages 0
<Fu-Xi> I can show you if you are willing to lose % of being able to find the right own angle of approach to things and also give me your word that you will not show that proof to anyone else, nor talk about it, until you find how it works completely
<Guest37686> "its words are the map, their meaning is the road, and their numbers are the direction"
<bigfuxer> sure.. go ahead..
<Guest37686> are these directions for implementing the cipher somehow?
<brotherBox> Guest37686: that doesnt seem like much tbh
<brotherBox> though
<brotherBox> im not sure if its coincidence this sequence actually produces a few legibile words
<Sssoul> only thing i think the 2016 post said is the numbers are the direction
<Sssoul> with the fib spirals and mobius loops
<brotherBox> APPROV, FIVE
<iIIustrious> it's vigenere though
<brotherBox> thats just me thguoh
<Guest37686> I lost the word boundaries in that, I'll change the program so you can see boundaries
<iIIustrious> you could use a jumble of letters like that to make it say actually anything you want
<brotherBox> iIIustrious: we have no conclusive proof it absolutely is vigenere
<Guest37686> The best thing is that A SIGN G... is split up
<brotherBox> its likely yes
<iIIustrious> no, the thing that guy is doing is vegenere though
<Guest37686> @iIllustrious I agree, it could be coincidental. I'm writing a program to check the combinations
<brotherBox> i fail to see the point of contention
<iIIustrious> using his method I could post a sequence that makes the entire primus say "brobox is a gerfag" over and over
<brotherBox> iIIustrious: it wouldnt even be wrong
<Guest37686> @iIllustrious I don't think you understand the method used
<iIIustrious> so his random jumble having some real words in it is meaningless unless there's logic to how it happened
<Guest37686> We are using "THEMAP" as a key
<Guest37686> Adding the values of those letters to the values of the runes
<Guest37686> We can't just make it say anything
<iIIustrious> I know
<iIIustrious> I read it
<iIIustrious> he's using themap because he found a coincidence in the text
<iIIustrious> there's every likelihood that whatever the actual key is will contain the phrase
<Guest37686> No because the picture says "its words are the map"
<iIIustrious> or at least similar letters near where they end up in there
<Guest37686> I agree that the rest of his message is just coincidental though
<brotherBox> can we try to offset THEMAP with preceding or following nullshifts
<iIIustrious> but over all it gives us nothing we didn't have before on it's own, other than that the key may or may not contain some where in it, themap
<brotherBox> just for curiosities sake
<Guest37686> @brotherBox I'm working on it
<iIIustrious> if it's only giving us partial words it has to be part of a larger key, or is coincidental
<brotherBox> iIIustrious: partial decryptions can be useful though and i wouldnt discard this particular method of cribbing
<windweht> brotherBox: "APPROV, FIVE" not APPORV?
<Guest37686> We could perform statistical tests to work out the probability that such a partial decryption would occur
<brotherBox> windweht: i might have made a mistake
<brotherBox> im just a box after all
<Guest37686> The stuff after "A SIGN G" can be discarded, I just repeatedly applied "THE MAP" key when I believe something more subtle must be done
<iIIustrious> and by more subtle, you mean have the actual key
<Guest37686> Perhaps something involving the: "its words are the map, their meaning is the road, and their numbers are the direction"
<Guest37686> Perhaps those instructions tell us how to modulate the key
<iIIustrious> if you want an approach, use parts of every sentance that cicada's used the words the map in, and crib drag over the primus
<brotherBox> i wouldnt even say that modulating the key is hopeless
<iIIustrious> the one that gives the most words can be looked in to
<brotherBox> it would have to be well defined
<brotherBox> as the more we tinker with the process the less verifiable things may become
<Guest37686> Yes
<Guest37686> But let's say that "its words are THE MAP" literally tells us the key
<Guest37686> "their numbers are THE DIRECTION" could have a similar literal meaning
<Guest37686> I'll look into that possibility
<brotherBox> i was thinking that too
<Guest37686> I guess though that we didn't have that message back in 2014, is that right?
<Guest37686> In which case this line of thought is probably wasted
<brotherBox> i cursed there is no "blablabla is the key" message from 3301
<brotherBox> Guest37686: we didnt
<Sssoul> wait
<Sssoul> the lp is the map
<Sssoul> wait what is the thing
<Sssoul> the words are the map
<Sssoul> meaning is road so maybe we combine those two
<Sssoul> and go in the direction of the numbers
<brotherBox> Guest37686: i dont believe its wasted tbh
<brotherBox> the fact that we solved the last decrypted page first makes me feel we've been approaching this the wrong way
<Guest37686> @brotherBox but if we did need to use that info, Cicada would hardly have given people the LP to solve in 2014 without it
<brotherBox> but then again it might have been manufactured that way
<brotherBox> Guest37686: im not so sure about that
<brotherBox> it might be that other section or puzzles of the liber were intended to be solved first which reference the map
<brotherBox> or in general the contents of the jan 16 message
<Guest37686> Yes
<brotherBox> (or rather the other way around but you get the idea)
<Guest37686> In which case page 55 would be a good candidate for decryption
<Guest37686> being the page before 56 and 57, and having the tree logo
<brotherBox> what im saying is, its not entirely implausible
<brotherBox> i have no evidence for my idea however
<brotherBox> i never got warm to the idea that the tree has any meaning
<Guest37686> Well I'm going to write a program that's gonna brute force the hell out of this idea.
<windweht> hmm
<windweht> first
<windweht> ahh nevermind
<brotherBox> Guest37686: do tell when you need help
<Guest37686> @brotherBox cheers. I only very recently got into this mystery so I might need some help with the history
<Guest37686> And I don't want to bark up a tree that's already been tried.
<brotherBox> err
<brotherBox> in fact i would want you to
<Guest37686> so I'm gonna try things against page 55 individually and then page 40 to page 55
<brotherBox> let us know how that goes
<iIIustrious> I note the 7/7 people went quiet as soon as we actually started talking about solutions :P
<brotherBox> iIIustrious: i believe its just one person
<brotherBox> ive seen him on /x/
<iIIustrious> yeah me too
<iIIustrious> I thought it was a joke on /x/
<iIIustrious> just good memeing
<brotherBox> it comes from a forum
<brotherBox> people have been buying into that stuff
<brotherBox> >7
<brotherBox> >suddenly mod*
<iIIustrious> lol
<Sssoul> i know right
<brotherBox> let me look for a 3301 thread
<iIIustrious> it might have got pruned, if it was still up they'd probably just keep trolling there
<brotherBox> no its still there
<brotherBox> https://boards.4chan.org/x/thread/17660686/cicada3301
<TaiiwoBot> ^ /x/ - cicada3301 - Paranormal - 4chan ^
<Fu-Xi> sorry I was talking to sssoul
<Fu-Xi> :o
<Fu-Xi> sssoul keeps getting clues out of me :/ I should probably leave here before I end up giving a critical hint lol
<bigfuxer> yeah you should..
<bigfuxer> also listen to this song on you way out :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqYD1vUkVz0
<TaiiwoBot> ^ Lag Wagon - Alien 8 (Reissue) - YouTube ^
<Fu-Xi> kk I feel like I can give you this much actually brb
<Fu-Xi> the first few pages have the first pattern then the rest start changing their encryption
<Fu-Xi> you were supposed to find that the first pages have a pattern that follows in the rest as an encryption yourself.. telling you of it is too much already..
<Fu-Xi> you start finding the pattern with 1 5 7 4 4 3 4 6 ......
<Fu-Xi> im not telling you where though
<Fu-Xi> look carefully with the mindset of trying to find a pattern and youll find it
<Fu-Xi> connect it all together to find how that pattern works and what makes it
<Fu-Xi> then how it changes on the 2nd and 3rd etc pages
<Fu-Xi> find connection between the pattern and translated letters
<Fu-Xi> red words/titles are the keys to the pattern too
<Fu-Xi> every "Know This" is what links the pattern together to find the next one, which will allow you to decrypt the pages upto the next set of numbers/magic square.
<Fu-Xi> this is the first "magic square" simplified:
<Fu-Xi> 2 3 8 5 6
<Fu-Xi> 6 1 4 5 *
<Fu-Xi> 1 2 1 2 1
<Fu-Xi> * 5 4 1 5
<Fu-Xi> 6 5 8 3 2
<EmberCrest> Fu-Xi: Slow down buddy
<Guest37686> brotherBox: Not much luck with the program so far
<Guest37686> I'm beginning to believe it was just coincidence that THE MAP and those letters produced A SIGN...
<Guest37686> With word spaces added it's A SIGNG EW CS FSAEXIAI OBSPMR YA PPORVSSHOEABCS NGMEOTM HRYH THN AOPAECTHF NGCOIATNGC OEE MTHFIVEA YVNG POP
<Guest37686> SIGNG: not promising
<EmberCrest> Fu-Xi: where'd you get the sequence 1, 5, 7, 4, 4, 3
<EmberCrest> etc.
<Guest37686> One angle which prob. should be tried is to do with the word lengths
<Fu-Xi> bravo
<Fu-Xi> -claps-
<EmberCrest> Bravo to whom?
<EmberCrest> Guest?
<Guest37686> For instance EW CS - how much possible two consecutive two letter words are there? AT AN, TO AN ...?
<Fu-Xi> actually nvm... lol i think he was talking about something else
<EmberCrest> Fu Xi: How are we supposed to find which one is "know this"
<Guest37686> TO US, IN US, IN AN, UP TO
<Fu-Xi> Know This is always before a magic square
<Fu-Xi> the pages without much encryption changing have 2 squares for you to find how it works
<Fu-Xi> it allows you to find the next encryption
<EmberCrest> the NEXT one?
<Fu-Xi> for the next pages
<Sssoul> im back
<Sssoul> whats new
<EmberCrest> SO that's the first set of encrypted letters for the next few pages, in other words.
<Fu-Xi> no
<Fu-Xi> but its a link to how to find it
<EmberCrest> the fuck
<Fu-Xi> link as in it allows you to understand how to find the encryption
<EmberCrest> huh.
<Sssoul> please elaborate
<EmberCrest> Scroll up^
<Sssoul> i dced for a bit and lost some messaged
<Sssoul> *messages
<Sssoul> is it just how hte key is the word length
<EmberCrest> I didnt see a dc bro I think you got it :)
<brotherBox> yeah
<brotherBox> either you timed out or you didnt
<bigfuxer> Fu-Xi, so.. following your logic the koan p06-p0* (complete LP) should be direct translation.. how come then it's encrypted with a caeser cipher?
<brotherBox> if you didnt timeout TCP makes sure you get the msgs
<Fu-Xi> ill just paste it again... dont tell them about the numbers thing that i explained though, kk sssoul?
<bigfuxer> also.. you are aware that there are no maguc squares in the remaining LP?
<EmberCrest> Fu-Xi: What, so you'll tell HIM valuable info that you wanna leave out for us.
<mustermann> what did I miss?
<Fu-Xi> no, I offered to tell you earlier, you didnt msg me ^^ the price for it is that you lose chance of getting the right approach angle yourself(which is the whole point of it, if you cant find it yourself you cant solve the later parts)
<iIIustrious> literally nothing mustermann
<mustermann> good
<mustermann> :D
<brotherBox> mustermann: lots of claims
<Fu-Xi> kk sec ill paste the thing i pasted here earlier
<EmberCrest> what I don't..what the hell lol.
<brotherBox> you wont
<brotherBox> Fu-Xi: you will put it in a bin
<Fu-Xi> the first few pages have the first pattern then the rest start changing their encryption
<Fu-Xi> you were supposed to find that the first pages have a pattern that follows in the rest as an encryption yourself.. telling you of it is too much already..
<Fu-Xi> you start finding the pattern with 1 5 7 4 4 3 4 6 ......
<Fu-Xi> im not telling you where though
<Fu-Xi> look carefully with the mindset of trying to find a pattern and youll find it
<Fu-Xi> connect it all together to find how that pattern works and what makes it
<Fu-Xi> then how it changes on the 2nd and 3rd etc pages
<Fu-Xi> find connection between the pattern and translated letters
<Fu-Xi> red words/titles are the keys to the pattern too
<Fu-Xi> every "Know This" is what links the pattern together to find the next one, which will allow you to decrypt the pages upto the next set of numbers/magic square.
<Fu-Xi> this is the first "magic square" simplified:
<Fu-Xi> 2 3 8 5 6
<Fu-Xi> 6 1 4 5 *
<Fu-Xi> 1 2 1 2 1
<Fu-Xi> * 5 4 1 5
<Fu-Xi> 6 5 8 3 2
<iIIustrious> there's really only one logical reason these people come here and half post steps to follow with no reason or evidence
<iIIustrious> and it's that they are too stupid or too lazy to turn their ideas in to work on the actual pages
<iIIustrious> if it was solved, it would be posted here or the person who solved it would be moving on to other steps
<EmberCrest> yeah, at least some of us have the decency to come into this channel and not work.
<iIIustrious> not trolling around the /x/ thread and the channel for attention
<iIIustrious> so don't take these people as having a solution, take them as afraid of doing the work
<Fu-Xi> oh Im at the 3rd step past the book already, dont worry about it :o
<brotherBox> Fu-Xi: post the decryption of an irrelevant page
<brotherBox> + which page number it is
<ComicSys> hi
<EmberCrest> its not like any of us are following your logic anyways.
<Fu-Xi> they are all relevant
<brotherBox> Fu-Xi: then the least relevant
<brotherBox> thats the last thing im going to say on that matter
<Fu-Xi> it would be giving you the encryption code... lol
<brotherBox> Fu-Xi: it would give us one
<EmberCrest> Fu-Xi: how. your process doesn't make sense.
<EmberCrest> Fu-Xi: at most this would clarify, and we would still have to work to figure shit out.
<ComicSys> Fu-Xi, isn't that a section called: "KNOW THIS"
<brotherBox> you talk like a fag and your shits all retarded and what you say is dildos
<EmberCrest> Fu-Xi: You're like a child on the playground saying "I know what the answer is, but I'm not telling."
<brotherBox> and im done with this
<ComicSys> lmao brobox
<ComicSys> you should have ended that with: "I'm here all week!"
<Fu-Xi> dont try to bait me :o there are only 2 more encryption patterns that werent solved publicly, i cant give you a completed toy, you gotta build it yourself
<mustermann> only 2??
<ComicSys> oh, so brobox, I started doing krypton
<ComicSys> I'm working on level 3
<brotherBox> let me look what that is
<EmberCrest> Fu-Xi: Bait you? Your method doesn't make any sense and you're acting like it's ourfault.
<ComicSys> http://overthewired.blogspot.com/2013/05/krypton-level-3.html
<TaiiwoBot> ^ Over the wire: [Krypton]. Level 3 https://tinyurl.com/zkaasu* ^
<ComicSys> yea
<brotherBox> oh yeah
<iIIustrious> that you're still holding on to this is actually hilarious
<ComicSys> who, me, or Fu-Xi
<EmberCrest> I still have faith in him, but only because this place is a desert of ideas.
<EmberCrest> In that the ideas are the sand. There's so much to search, and **% of it is just dirt.
<brotherBox> EmberCrest: drinking radioactive water in the desert kills you immediately instead of in a few hours
<Sssoul> i still believe in my ideas i just need the time to work on them
<Fu-Xi> I solved it without anyone giving me as many hints at Ive given you already, infact I had to find it all myself. =.= so dont even start... LOL
<ComicSys> honestly searching through the dirt for ideas can be fun
<Sssoul> alright fu xi
<EmberCrest> Fu-Xi: I'm starting to doubt that.
<Sssoul> tell me this
<Sssoul> how did you get this idea
<Sssoul> to do all this shit
<Sssoul> were you even in the 2012 brood
<Sssoul> hmmmm
<brotherBox> Fu-Xi: then there is a huge discrepancy between experience and your story because usually, quality of expression correlates with skill
<iIIustrious> no one thinks you've solved shit fu-xi, we get 5 or 6 of you a week claiming this stuff
<EmberCrest> Fu-Xi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Bix44C1EzY
<TaiiwoBot> ^ Congratulations!!!! - YouTube ^
<iIIustrious> usually more beleivable because it makes a logical sense
<brotherBox> and for as much as you claim proficiency your explanations and your outlines only display confusion
<ComicSys> All I've solved is how to open the m&ms pack
<ComicSys> and levels 1+2 of krypton
<brotherBox> ComicSys: dont solve it with solutions
<brotherBox> thats stupid
<ComicSys> yeah, I should have solved it with scissors
<iIIustrious> tl;dr post a decrypted page or stop trolling around
<ComicSys> who, me? I'm not trolling
<brotherBox> ComicSys: this is not about you
<ComicSys> oh ok
<brotherBox> ComicSys: no, but with analysis
<mustermann> Fu-Xi "every "Know This" is what links the pattern together to find the next one, which will allow you to decrypt the pages upto the next set of numbers/magic square."
<mustermann> but...
<brotherBox> ComicSys: http://practicalcryptography.com/cryptanalysis/
<TaiiwoBot> ^ Practical Cryptography ^
<mustermann> there are only 2 magic squares in LP
<ComicSys> thanks
<ComicSys> with krypton levels, there seem to be more than one way to do it
<ComicSys> python script
<EmberCrest> I sincerely hope he doesn't think the first part of the LP is what we're stuck on lol.
<mustermann> XD
<brotherBox> ComicSys: its whatever helps you
<mustermann> Fu-Xi "the first few pages" what pages are you refering to? link? page no?
<Sssoul> and the troll is gone once we question
<Sssoul> waiting to think of more bs
<Sssoul> hes caliming he solved 2011 and that he never got in the brood
<iIIustrious> >2011
<brotherBox> >2011
<iIIustrious> LMAO
<brotherBox> haha
*iIIustrious hat Fu-Xi aus #cicadasolvers hinausgeworfen (gtfo).
<brotherBox> #rekt
<EmberCrest> man what
<EmberCrest> what motivates people to come in here..
<EmberCrest> and spout off bullshit ideas that seem to have SOME theme
<brotherBox> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXLgz3wH2n8
<TaiiwoBot> ^ Why would they do that - just go on the internet and tell lies - YouTube ^
<EmberCrest> yet are completely pulled out of their ass.
<mustermann> that does not help
<EmberCrest> ye but I mean like, if someone is actually into the puzzle, why would they come up with something that may end up distracting us
<ComicSys> without looking, I'm assuming it's the dude in the scream mask
<EmberCrest> if it actually seemed to make sense.
<mustermann> no it didnt
<brotherBox> ComicSys: i dont believe so
<iIIustrious> I think we'd recognize him
<iIIustrious> maybe not
<iIIustrious> I hope we wouldn't
<brotherBox> i would
<brotherBox> he would probably be much more hateful to me
<brotherBox> that dude hates my ass lmao
<ComicSys> true
<EmberCrest> because you called him out for being the 12 year old he is?
<mustermann> EmberCrest: "At this point, our story takes a darker turn. Our elite IRC group of 8 people deceived the rest, and led them on a wild goose chase. We created a branch off the puzzle, and led them solving unsolvable things. We distracted them so we would progress and they would not. We’re sorry to announce that, but it’s a necessary part of the story."
<mustermann> src: https://bernsteinbear.com/blog/cicada
<TaiiwoBot> ^ 3301 | Maxwell Bernstein ^
<EmberCrest> Oh my fucking god
<EmberCrest> Craig Wright was enough for one week of internet lunacy.
<EmberCrest> oh wait
<EmberCrest> I dont get this..
<mustermann> what?
<Sssoul> the tor hidden service was the brood
<mustermann> some say...
<mustermann> Fu-Xi "the first few pages" what pages are you refering to? link? page no?
<EmberCrest> is this fake or something
<mustermann> whatM
<mustermann> ?
<EmberCrest> bernsteinbear's blog lol.
<Sssoul> no it was the 2011 puzzle
<Sssoul> its legit
<mustermann> I don't think so? or what do you mean by "fake"
<EmberCrest> been a while since I read through the whole 2011 puzzle
<mustermann> 2011?
<EmberCrest> yeah.
<mustermann> ???
<mustermann> I heard there was 2011, but no info about it
<mustermann> don't you mean 2012?
<Sssoul> yeah 2012 sorry
<mustermann> shit :(
<mustermann> I hoped for something new :D
<brotherBox> the liber primus might be a decoy
<brotherBox> i dont believe it however
<brotherBox> thats just my opinion and doesnt need to mean anything
<mustermann> decoy?
<mustermann> but...
<mustermann> is there any other solid lead?
<mustermann> and if it is a decoy, why would they remind us to decrypt?
<mustermann> speaking of this, there are a few other unsolved "riddles"
<dude12312414> I'm gonna make an experiment
<mustermann> but noone seems to care :D
<dude12312414> don't believe whatever I say next
<dude12312414> Guys I solved the Liber Primus. You need to use Ramanujan sums. The only hint I can give you is to understand the scriptures of Crowley.
<mustermann> oh, it worked
<mustermann> sheeeeet
<mustermann> *sweeet
<dude12312414> ok done you may choose to believe whatever I say from now on
<mustermann> thanx for the hint
<mustermann> whoa I can read the complete LP now :D
<dude12312414> But for real... the Liber Primus does have some interesting patterns which make it unlikely to be a decoy in my opinion
<dude12312414> The distribution of pairs of runes and the repetition of the string " DJU BEI A "
<mustermann> name some?
<dude12312414> and also the lack of F's occuring at the end of short words in pages 0-15
<dude12312414> you can count them, you'll see there's less 2-rune words ending in F in those pages than ending in any other letter
<dude12312414> but it's not enough to get much more useful information...
<mustermann> Fs are somehow special
<mustermann> maybe becouse it's gematria value is even?
<mustermann> *because
<dude12312414> yeah but in a different way from the previous cases. They often didn't encrypt F's. But in pages 0-15, it's very likely they encrypted them, and even avoid outputting F's
<mustermann> 0-15 ends with the mayfly right?
<mustermann> and after that comes the 4x4 "fib spiral"
<dude12312414> the only thing I can claim is that the cipher does indeed change between pages, and some pages do encrypt F's unlike p.56. And also it's probably not just a Vigenere.
<dude12312414> and it's not by any means a proof, just evidence pointing towards it
<dude12312414> also probably not random junk or OTP either
<dude12312414> so if it's a decoy, they'd have to make some effort to come up with those "patterns", or be kinda lucky
<dude12312414> (or unlucky, depending on the perspective)
<dude12312414> brotherBox: i'm actually serious about the F thing (and I think wetsand came up with the pairs and "DJU BEI" stuff)
<brotherBox> what F thing
<brotherBox> you mean that upon F we skip or what
<dude12312414> count all words of length two between pages 0-15. Among them, count those ending in F, those ending in U, TH, O, etc.
<dude12312414> There are 0 ending in F between pages 0-15
<dude12312414> compared to about 3 for the rest
<Sssoul> when you say 15
<Sssoul> you mean 15.jpg right
<dude12312414> skipping F's appears very unlikely, as the words IF and OF would show up presumably
<dude12312414> there is a total of 117 2-rune words between those pages so it's not a super small sample in my opinion
<dude12312414> (heck even p.56 had a 'OF')
<ComicSys> I have a question, but I'm afraid it will come off as incredibly stupid
<brotherBox> ComicSys: go ahead
<ComicSys> I get that people are decrypting it, but
<dude12312414> !wa 117/2*
<ComicSys> I get this feeling that people are expecting it to decrypt to english
<TaiiwoBot> 117/2*
<TaiiwoBot> 117/2* (irreducible)
<TaiiwoBot> 4.03448275862068*6551724137*3103448275862068*6551724137*310...
<brotherBox> if you ask you're stupid for a moment, if you dont ask you're potentially stupid for a lifetime
<TaiiwoBot> 4.03448275862068*6551724137*310^_ (period 28)
<TaiiwoBot> 4 1/2*
<ComicSys> wouldn't it be something else?
<TaiiwoBot> More: https://tinyurl.com/zgdg2*j
<brotherBox> ComicSys: it could
<dude12312414> so on average you'd expect around 4 words ending in each letter
<brotherBox> though we have no indication that another language is being used
<dude12312414> (yeah in theory they could have come up with a new language or made contrived texts a-la George Perec
<dude12312414> but that'd be unfair
<brotherBox> ComicSys: perhaps its arrogance to assume its english
<EmberCrest> Not really.
<iIIustrious> I think the evidence points to english
<brotherBox> however the idea that this effort is mostly based on the english language has never been contested
<EmberCrest> It's just logical: everything else they've written has been in English.
<EmberCrest> Including the Liber.
<EmberCrest> The first pages of the Liber, I mean.
<brotherBox> im not even a native english speaker but its just the lingua franca of the internet
<EmberCrest> Indeed.
<EmberCrest> HTTP Headers are in english.
<dude12312414> also that can be slightly inferred from the punctuation. They used apostrophes, also said apostrophies always show up where english contractions would make sense
<brotherBox> dude you are so smart
<brotherBox> why wont you have my children :(
<dude12312414> i'd prefer your gf's children :P
<EmberCrest> forgot about that.
<brotherBox> dude12312414: we broke up
<iIIustrious> >implying brotherBox's not female just because brother
<dude12312414> yeah true
<dude12312414> I should apoogize
<brotherBox> haha yeah im actually a girl
<dude12312414> *apologize
<brotherBox> you shitlords have been misgendering me
<brotherBox> brb posting about it tumblr
<dude12312414> >implying i'm a dude because it's in my name
<iIIustrious> get misgendered nerd
<brotherBox> "cicada community exposed for mysogynistic shitlords"
<brotherBox> i need new headphones
<brotherBox> dude12312414: whats with the numbers after your nick anyway
<brotherBox> is there a meaning behind them
<dude12312414> i'd like to sound interesting and say there is one
<dude12312414> but no
<dude12312414> just random typing
<brotherBox> how do you remember it
<dude12312414> well for one my client autoconnects
<dude12312414> also it's not too hard to remember really
<dude12312414> 1,2,3 1,2,4 1,4
<brotherBox> arch linux is a meme
<dude12312414> arch linux?
<mustermann> is it?
<Fu-Xi> sssoul
<mustermann> Fu-Xi "the first few pages" what pages are you refering to? link? page no?
<dude12312414> in some country it is now 10:33
<dude12312414> well fuck
<mustermann> thats true at least once every hour, no?
<dude12312414> yeah lol
<dude12312414> so you get to celebrate this pretty often
<mustermann> mount -o remount,rw Fu-Xi
<dude12312414> cat Fu -Xi
<mustermann> phew
<brotherBox> >cat
<mustermann> I made a map for 2014, only 2013 remained
<brotherBox> >Xi parameter
<mustermann> *is left
<dude12312414> yeah shouls have put a \ there
<Sssoul> he refers to the liber primus page as 0
<Sssoul> so theres 0-74
<dude12312414> interesting way to discover someone's keyboard layout: study their typos
<mustermann> Sssoul: but the first few pages are solved
<Fu-Xi> the encryption pattern for the rest starts in those
<mustermann> oklemmecheck
<mustermann> what wa steh pattern again?
<mustermann> 1, 1, 3...
<Sssoul> and what do we do with this pattern
<torman> On the page titled The End, has there been any progress on finding the onion page from the hash
<Sssoul> no
<dude12312414> apparently people have been running onion harvesters
<dude12312414> but nothing was found (or at least publically disclosed :P)
<mustermann> eng, reversed Gematria, eng, Ving (DIVINITY) forward Gematria, fwd Gematria, Shift 3 down reversed Gematria, fwd Gematria, Ving (FIRFUMFERENFE) forward Gematria, fwd Gematria
<Fu-Xi> find the patterns and how they work with the magic squares, 2nd magic square will allow you to find the pattern for the first 15 pages of the 58 pages
<mustermann> that was used
<mustermann> I dont see a pattern here
<Sssoul> hes a troll
<Sssoul> he has no proof and is secretive
<dude12312414> where did 15 come from? i'm actually curious, is there a specific reason why you say first 15 pages?
<Fu-Xi> starting 16th page you use the new magic square
<bigfuxer> which is not a magic square..
<mustermann> 1 sec ill tell in pm
<amone> why pm?
<amone> hello bigfuxer
<bigfuxer> hola
<amone> beering it on the beach huh?
<Sssoul> hey
<Fu-Xi> it is actually, theres a pattern to the set of numbers there
<amone> good finding Fu-Xi -you reinvented the wheel
<bigfuxer> sigh.. rly?
<amone> lol bigfuxer
<Sssoul> so fu xi
<Sssoul> if you know the book
<Sssoul> what does the matrix on 15 mean
<Sssoul> Fu answer me one question
<Sssoul> if you answer ill believe you ok
<mustermann> dude12312414: there
<Sssoul> k fu xi
<Sssoul> 1 question
<Sssoul> and your a god
<mustermann> Sssoul I doubt he will...
<brotherBox> Sssoul: stop it
<brotherBox> he's milking you for attention
<Fu-Xi> in a simplified way, the matrix on page 15 is:
<Fu-Xi> * * 8 5
<Fu-Xi> 2 [5] 4 3
<Fu-Xi> 3 * 2 6
<Fu-Xi> 7 * 6 2
<Sssoul> fu xi
<Sssoul> how did you find this out on your own
<Sssoul> what made you think about this
<mustermann> how's it 4x4? O_o
<mustermann> ohntat
<mustermann> *sat
<mustermann> *dat
<mustermann> errr
<mustermann> ah that matrix
<mustermann> whooo, you can add digits...
<mustermann> that's impressive
<Sssoul> i know
<Sssoul> i want to be him
<mustermann> any other flicks?
<Sssoul> now can we get to actual solving
<Fu-Xi> its not a not complete magic square
<mustermann> hmm
<bigfuxer> dude12312414, bot will alert here if hash is found.. if you want any info besides that i'm happy to share :) also we agreed to not disclose found onions to not harm ppl..
*ChanServ gibt Channel-Operator-Status an shadowwalker
<Sssoul> bug wait you have a onion basher
<Sssoul> you testing every onion site...
<bigfuxer> well the ones we collected yes
<mustermann> Sssoul they are collecting HS addresses, not hashing all
<brotherBox> i would assume those things are very related
<Fu-Xi> ? ? ? ? ?
<Fu-Xi> ? * * 8 5
<Fu-Xi> ? 2 [5] 4 3
<Fu-Xi> ? 3 * 2 6
<Fu-Xi> ? 7 * 6 2
<mustermann> okok
<mustermann> gimme a break
<Sssoul> do you?
<dude12312414> tbh the pattern in the matrix of p.15 was already found... it's that spiral abs(3301 - Fibonacci(Primes(n))) stuff
<amone> ^^
<torman> so the hash is sha512?
<dude12312414> (which I must say is already a bit too crazy for me lol, but is actually true)
<brotherBox> torman: that or whirlpool
<dude12312414> or my daddy's own rolled hashish
<brotherBox> those are the only widely used hashes of that size
<dude12312414> speaking of typos...
<dude12312414> brotherbox you using QWERTZ keyboard?
<brotherBox> i do
<dude12312414> https://www.google.ca/search?q=keyboard+layouts&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjM34vQzsvMAhXlDMAKHXQcAI4Q_AUIBygB&biw=1440&bih=700#tbm=isch&q=german+keyboard+layouts
<brotherBox> im a gerfag
<TaiiwoBot> ^ https://tinyurl.com/got8sg4 ^
<mustermann> Fu-Xi last column first number is 0?
<brotherBox> dude what
<dude12312414> i was not actually aware that these layouts existed lol
<dude12312414> ?
<SSSpoooul> ok did i crash
<mustermann> Fu-Xi last column first number is 0? yes or no?
<SSSpoooul> whatd i miss
<SSSpoooul> my session got invalid or some shit
<mustermann> or 6?
<Fu-Xi> * or 0 ^^
<SSSpoooul> yo are we still taking the troll serious or no
<ComicSys> lmao
<SSSpoooul> alright now lets get to legit theories
<mustermann> *???
<mustermann> i have 0
<mustermann> interesting
<Fu-Xi> yes
<Fu-Xi> * can be used a 0 too btw, when you try to find the correct one, not simplified
<mustermann> so
<mustermann> given it is a square as Fu-Xi proposed
<mustermann> I think the complete simplified (digitally rooted??) square would be
<mustermann> 5 4 2 5 03 * * 8 5 2 2 5 4 3 5 3 * 2 6 1 7 * 6 2
<mustermann> shit
<mustermann> 5 4 2 5 0
<mustermann> 3 * * 8 5
<mustermann> 2 2 5 4 3
<Fu-Xi> 5 4 2 5 *
<Fu-Xi> 3 * * 8 5
<Fu-Xi> 2 2 5 4 3
<Fu-Xi> 5 3 * 2 6
<Fu-Xi> 1 7 * 6 2
<Fu-Xi> is correct
<mustermann> jupdat
<Fu-Xi> now find the not simplified one
<mustermann> interestingly its digits add up to 7
<ComicSys> I have a really weird idea about the second page of chapter 1
<ComicSys> in the "know this" section
<mustermann> ahm
<Fu-Xi> but really you first need to find the pattern in the first 16 original pages and link them to the magic square there and the 2nd one to read the first 15 pages of the 58 pages
<mustermann> and what about the 7x7 square?
<ComicSys> I actually don't have a linke to the square
<ComicSys> however, I had a weird idea just about the one particular section of the page
<mustermann> tell it, quick
<ComicSys> well, I was thinking, it might be music related
<ComicSys> I thought it might be something to be decrypted, but then I thought about it, and listened to each number played back on a metrenome
<mustermann> as bpm vales?
<mustermann> values
<ComicSys> yea
<mustermann> ahm
<ComicSys> I know it's a weird idea
<ComicSys> probably incorrect, but just something I was thinking about
<ComicSys> I know that there were potential translations with words, but I don't know
<mustermann> Fu-Xi: wait a sec, diagonals wont add up to 7
<mustermann> unlike at the other squares
<Fu-Xi> because the original numbers are a test too
<mustermann> pls also note that the other squares were symmetrical
<Fu-Xi> thats why i said first solve the other pages
<mustermann> they are
<mustermann> solved
<Fu-Xi> the 15 of 58?
<Fu-Xi> you use the one on page 16 of the original ones to solve 0-15 of 58
<mustermann> and the one on page 5 was (?) used for the first 16 pages?
<mustermann> (the square with runes in it)
<Fu-Xi> correct, thats to understand how it works
<mustermann> wtf
<Fu-Xi> you do the rest based on that example
<Fu-Xi> you mean page 3 btw, not 5 right?
<Fu-Xi> the one on page 3 along with the first 16 pages are used to understand how to use the magic square to decrypt the runes
<Fu-Xi> 16 original
<Fu-Xi> pattern in page 02 to page 16 and magic square from page 03
<mustermann> no, page 5
<mustermann> https://github.com/rtkd/idkfa/blob/master/assets/liber-primus-complete/05.jpg
<TaiiwoBot> ^ https://tinyurl.com/z5qm7fw ^
<mustermann> the 16 orig seems to be decrypted without using the square
<Fu-Xi> you have them in the wrong order
<Fu-Xi> warning goes before the welcoming
<SSSpoooul> http://cicada3301.org/liber/
<SSSpoooul> thats the order of the pages
<Fu-Xi> ^correct
<mustermann> ?
<mustermann> ???
<mustermann> the same order
<mustermann> ahha
<mustermann> see
<mustermann> warning-wisdom-welcome?
<ComicSys> the amass great wealth part is from buddhism
<SSSpoooul> yes
<ComicSys> the first page is kind of hypocritical
<ComicSys> the testing the knowledge, finding your truth, and yet, not being able to edit the book
<Fu-Xi> actually that part is a lie
<Fu-Xi> the 3rd matrix is incomplete and you need to change few numbers there as well as add few
<SSSpoooul> the third matrix is a fib spiral
<SSSpoooul> your subtract the numbers from 3301
<mustermann> you are referring them as matrices...
<Fu-Xi> but the message/meaning of it and the way it works doesnt change.
<mustermann> noted
<mustermann> but why are you helping?
<mustermann> oh, bad question
<mustermann> game rule?
<Fu-Xi> I finished 2011 and 2012 and both said to wait and to not lose the approach to things.. then from there they started preparing the book, on 3rd step after the book on youre supposed to look for them by giving hints that dont go over the lines stated on a page in the deepweb lol
<Fu-Xi> that pages gets updated every once in a while on how much information can be given... I mightve went over the line slightly though :/
<mustermann> 2011?
<SSSpoooul> THERE WAS NO 2011
<ComicSys> but the deep web hash on the last page didn't work
<ComicSys> there was no page attached to it
<Fu-Xi> there was a 2011 too
<Fu-Xi> it hashed to that page, not that hash is the page
<Fu-Xi> and the hash is incomplete too
<Fu-Xi> 2011 was a small test, it didnt blow up like the 2012 one so only few noticed it
<ComicSys> the only thing close is if you used the first letter on the next page
<ComicSys> and it led to some instar emergence crap, so it's likely not that
iIIusionaliII hat Fu-Xi aus #cicadasolvers hinausgeworfen (Fu-Xi).
<iIIusionaliII> I'm bored
<iIIusionaliII> and 2011 is troll
<ComicSys> lmao
theplainone golf clap
<ComicSys> indeed
<ComicSys> lmao
<ComicSys> ...aaaaaaand he's back
<Fu-Xi> the address you form by the end of the book can be confirmed using the hash. (thats what hey meant) on the page theres an explanation, aswell as rules.
<Fu-Xi> they
<ComicSys> I don't see it
iIIusionaliII setzt einen Bann auf Fu-Xi!@
*iIIusionaliII hat Fu-Xi aus #cicadasolvers hinausgeworfen (actually get fucked).
<mustermann> ?
<ComicSys> ...aaaaaaaaaaaaaand he's gone
<ComicSys> :)
<iIIusionaliII> every time I'm on freenode again I have to remember how to ban here lol
<ComicSys> lmao
<iIIusionaliII> that looks right
<iIIusionaliII> brotherBox help
<ComicSys> FLAWLESS VICTORY
<ComicSys> FATALITY
<mustermann> it was not so bad...
<ComicSys> INDEEEEEEEED
<mustermann> I hope he comes back
<iIIusionaliII> well he can't now, that he's banned lol
<iIIusionaliII> why?
<iIIusionaliII> he's been trolling in here for hours
<mustermann> :(
<mustermann> gave me ideas
<mustermann> for example thet crazy squsre thing he explained
<mustermann> actually kinda worked
<iIIusionaliII> "worked" or actually achieved something lol
<mustermann> I dont know enough math to tell
<mustermann> but if you solve the thing first for the 4 rows, than the columns
<mustermann> the first line is
<mustermann> 5 4 2 5 *
<iIIusionaliII> and?
<mustermann> sums up to 25
<mustermann> which sums to 7
<iIIusionaliII> again, and?
<iIIusionaliII> the whole point of them using the gematria, the entire way along, is properties like these
<mustermann> the other squares have the same property
<mustermann> dont get it
<mustermann> I dont get
<iIIusionaliII> I absolutely believe that they add to 7, that's not a suprising quality, and has been observered in other squares
<iIIusionaliII> but upon finding that, he brought it here in the hopes he could bait everyone in to believing that means he's accomplished something
<iIIusionaliII> and getting them to do any actual work for him
<iIIusionaliII> or
<iIIusionaliII> just to troll
<iIIusionaliII> either way he had nothing new or interesting that wasn't total bs
<mustermann> maybe you are right
<marcusw> new rule
<marcusw> +o are always usually right
<mustermann> xd
<ComicSys> hmmm
<ComicSys> well yeah, marcus, illusionaliII and brobox are usually on point
<SSSpoooul> yeah
<SSSpoooul> he was fishy and bull from start
<brotherBox> hm
<brotherBox> i disagree
<brotherBox> for the sole purpose of pragmatism
<brotherBox> nobody should blindly trust ops (or former ops)
<brotherBox> and i believe its valuable to allow and encourage a plurality of opinions to keep each other in check

https://linx.li/qrn7jxvw.txt  log

http://pastebin.com/W2BSUKEa 343373s new clues and discussion 13th july 2016

http://pastebin.com/W2BSUKEa this is log from two days ago when he posted that 4x4 magic square, few people tried to figure out how it all works but we didnt get any conclusion

https://7a350*0f.io/topic/16/irc-cicadasolvers-08-05-2016-user-fu-xi


https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/1760066*/#17613881
http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/17688885/#176*0822
http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/17660686/#17664223
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/17561815/#17564188

check 7/7=? sharade, this one is harder to disprove http://pastebin.com/UGS4RcCZ
http://pastebin.com/4wF1YgU1 magic squares

http://imgur.com/a/MajQU Digital roots and reciprocals of primes

some say that 3301 backwards sounds like "no worries here" http://vocaroo.com/i/s0n7OwKyWSfw http://archive.4plebs.org/x/search/text/Scienta%20Sanctor/
http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/171*3651/#171*3782
http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/17020660/#q17020660
http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/171*52*1/#q171*52*1

 000001CD 00000118 00002242 00000F8* 0001D7D6 0001DAB1 000078D1 00007E40 00024A6D 00024B72
 461      280      8770     3*77     1207*0   121521    30*2*   32320    150125   150386

 <|343373|> 3301 back in 2014 created another puzzle on the deepweb to help solve the Liber Primus, Im surprised you guys still havent found it, nor made any connections after my hints either... :/
-*- Profetul is going to call it a night ...
<onecool> |343373|: stop trolling
<marcusw> for the record every single thing |343373| is a lie
<marcusw> which would be fine but they're not even funny or interesting
<marcusw> they're just stupid
<|343373|> 2016 message was a hint to that one puzzle too btw.. Im not trolling
<ether8unny> then show us the money
<marcusw> either you give proof or someone is gonna end up kicking you for breaking the no roleplaying rule
<Kitter_> Seems legit
<marcusw> again
<ether8unny> Kitter_, what seems legit
<Kitter_> That something as overlooked along the way
<onecool> which puzzle?
<onecool> please say pi.mobi
<onecool> please
<onecool> so i can ban you
<marcusw> lmao
<marcusw> same goes for that secret college or whatever you were calling it
<|343373|> 432, not pi LOL
<ether8unny> 432?
<marcusw> there were a few days where a significant portion of the traffic was |343373| using a bunch of different nicks to talk up this mysterium college or something
<ether8unny> youre kissing right>?
<ether8unny> youre kidding right>?
<marcusw> *kitting
<ether8unny> 432 doesnt show any releation to cicada
<onecool> 7 / 7 = ?
<onecool> 7 / 7 = ?
<onecool> 7 / 7 = ?
<onecool> 7 / 7 = ?
<ether8unny> its interesting and all that
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<onecool> 7 / 7 = ?
<ndiddy> 1
<|343373|> I only have and ever used 2 usernames here, this and the one I share with my friend("Fu-Xi")
<marcusw> if I prove you wrong can I ban you?
<brotherBox> marcusw: yes you can
<|343373|> Prove me wrong about what?
<marcusw> ok one sec
<ether8unny> you know that 432 has been around for fucking ever, though, i assume?
<|343373|> 432 was released in the 2nd half of 2014 as far as I know
<brotherBox> marcusw: i never had that impression tbh
<ether8unny> wasnt there also something linking an old cicada solver with the creation of the 432 stuff as well? or is that just coming from nowhere in my head
<ether8unny> late 2014, is when it originated
<ether8unny> it's also very pi.mobi.... like when the creator flips out and decides to dox one of its solvers
<ether8unny> in fact, it also uses the 'seek and it shall be found'
<ether8unny> phrase...
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<|343373|> As far as I know, the 432 puzzle was used only as a hint to Liber Primus the rest was just cover up and decoy..
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<marcusw> oh god dammit
<marcusw> the hidden college shit was sir_phobos aka babyman aka blvk_crvpt
<marcusw> but |343373| did tell me a bunch of fake info about 3301 before they found out I knew it was bullshit
<|343373|> ??
<marcusw> which is how I got them confused lmao
<|343373|> If you mean the puzzles starting in 2011 then you should check whats 1033 dec to oct
<marcusw> 2016-05-27 1*:07:28     |343373|        what is going on with them? are you in contact still? (or are you at the rules page too?) how long do I wait? Im tired of givin hints and of 7/7=? that im not allowed to explain... this is really stupid
<|343373|> Because I wasnt sure
<|343373|> Took my chance to try talk to you
<marcusw> then you posted a bunch of fake screenshots of you having the 3301 privkey
<marcusw> but didn't sign anything with it
<|343373|> not 3301
<marcusw> and then you deleted them from the image host a few hours later to get rid of the evidence
<marcusw> I don't have a cached copy so I guess it worked
<|343373|> I just said they had us make a key on 4th to 5th of jan 2012
<|343373|> It was my key, not 3301 O.o
<marcusw> I don't believe you
<ether8unny> ^^
<ether8unny> seconded
<|343373|> What is 1033 decimal to octal?
<brotherBox> |343373|: we talked about this too, and i asked you why you believe that, if you are not lying, you talked to cicada in 2011
<brotherBox> literally nobody gives a shit about numerical games
<|343373|> Not talked
<brotherBox> it demonstrates nothing
<marcusw> |343373| has been shopping their story around with many of the ops for most of the summer
<|343373|> I never had any direct contact with them
[01:37:2*] <|343373|> 1764 may or may not be related to goya btw :)

http://432hunabku.referata.com/wiki/The_Second_Lesson
http://highexistence.com/topic/want-your-fucking-mind-blown/