13.33.32     Brandano | brb, I need to rebooth this machine
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 13.33.45        jammi | it'd also be neat to do things like respond to the tv remote volume buttons on the amp, since the connection is optical digital and the tv has no volume control authority over the amp
 13.34.10        jammi | kinda sucks to have a lot of remotes, but most of the universal ones suck as well
 13.34.26        jammi | and since cec is supposedly a solution for that as well, it'd be neat to use it
 13.35.11        jammi | Gragagrogog: dunno, I don't think my existing one lags any more than the old one, which didn't support any fanciness and was basically a hdmi monitor in my use
 13.35.45        jammi | meaning, I haven't really noticed any lagginess                                                                                                                                                                                                                     13.36.10        jammi | however, I skipped several generations of tv's in-between
 13.36.57        jammi | basically from first gen 1080p with hdmi to current
 13.38.33        jammi | 4k res and especially the deeper "hdr" color modes was the main incentive to upgrade, plus the old one's backlight didn't light up every time (and I replaced every cap on it)
 13.39.23  Gragagrogog | i didn't look into TVs for a few years, i currently own none, when i last checked a few they all has android-ish interface, slow as fuck input switching and a slight lag even in gaming mode...
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 13.41.22        jammi | input switching on all devices seem to take at least a second, including monitors
 13.41.33        jammi | probably a lot of handshake bullshit going on there
 13.41.53  Gragagrogog | i'm talking ~10s plus
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 13.42.03        jammi | and yet the display devices don't appear to be powerful enough to buffer them all and then just switch internally the output
 13.42.29        jammi | or the manufacturers just chose to save a penny there
 13.42.46  Gragagrogog | there are KVM systems which can do it faster but that's kinda pricey solution
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 13.43.20        jammi | my old tv had just two hdmi ports, so I used an external hdmi switcher (that had optical breakout as well, since that was lacking on the old tv as well)
 13.43.34        jammi | a chinese one, was maybe 20€ or so and 4 ports
 13.43.54        jammi | worked very well, and still works, but I haven't hooked it up
 13.45.00        jammi | also allowed to pass audio out when the tv was off, which is another thing that's clumsy to do with the current setup (there's support for turning the screen off and keeping the tv otherwise on, but it's buried behind several levels of menus)
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 13.46.37        jammi | lg, webos 3.5 on this one. I'd rather have had a panasonic without all the multimedia bullshit builtin, but there were no resellers and they're large and heavy enough devices that shipping from other countries wouldn't be feasible
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 14.03.47         axi_ | Half way through printing a box. On the first layer, the corners are curling away from the bed just a hair. Thoughts? Printing PLA @200C on a heated bed @50C with masking tape. Room ambient is around 23C.
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 14.04.14        jammi | hairspray, or less infill
 14.04.41        jammi | and add brims as well if you don't have any
 14.05.15            * | axi_ is tired and/or stupid.
 14.05.17         axi_ | Brims?
 14.05.19        jammi | the denser the large part is, the higher the contraction force it has when it shrinks (leading to curling), which is why less infill might help
 14.05.30         axi_ | AH gotcha makes sense
 14.06.11         axi_ | You'd think an engineer would have a basic understanding of thermodynamics :c
 14.07.02        jammi | better bonding with the bed helps to some degree as well, hence something like acrylate hairspray on glass works really well
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 14.07.37        jammi | but also provides the hairspray layer to break away from the glass
 14.08.23   fakenullie | hairspray is more useful for abs
 14.08.25        jammi | preventing stuff from sticking so well that they're unremovable without breaking the glass once they're printed, even when cooled down
 14.08.31   fakenullie | I think glue stick works better for pla
 14.08.55        jammi | fakenullie: works well enough and imho better, and much less of a mess
 14.09.12   fakenullie | axi_: do you have heater bead?
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 14.09.15   fakenullie | bed
 14.09.15        jammi | and if you apply it to clean glass, you get a really smooth and beautiful bottom layer
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 14.09.36        jammi | fakenullie: clearly, since he's set it at 50°C
 14.09.39   fakenullie | axi_: I'd try 60 or 70C
 14.09.55         axi_ | Right. I figured with the lower ambient, warming the bed a bit might help
 14.10.07         axi_ | But yeah I need to get a glass plate for the bed
 14.10.14   fakenullie | I think I've printed pla on 80C
 14.10.16         axi_ | Only have an aluminum heated bed for now
 14.10.24   fakenullie | oh, aluminum
 14.10.35   fakenullie | cut a glass
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 14.10.40   fakenullie | or use ikea mirror
 14.10.50        jammi | when you get the glass, turn the alu side to the bottom, and add some insulation
 14.10.51         axi_ | But with masking tape this time. I'm going to get glass and hairspray/gluestick
 14.10.56         axi_ | Gotcha
 14.11.06         axi_ | Thank you guys for the advice :)
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 14.11.13        jammi | and use some silicone pads between the pcb and glass
 14.11.34        jammi | like ones for to220 packages if you don't have anything else available
 14.11.49   fakenullie | I've never used silicon pads
 14.12.01        jammi | also, corner clamps for the glass rather than something that clamps it down
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 14.12.40        jammi | the latter may deform it and may not keep it in place well enough
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 14.15.11        jammi | btw; any thermistor calibration tips? I spent yesterday getting marlin configured and patched (replaced an old repetier on the melzi), and calibrating my thermistors against a known good thermocouple
 14.15.54        jammi | I got it spot on basically as far as thermistor vs thermocouple readings go, but when measuring actual inside-the-nozzle temps, readings are way off
 14.16.11        jammi | like, up to 10-15°C
 14.16.54        jammi | although it got better, like to the nearest 3°C or so after adding insulation on the hotend near the nozzle and thermistor
 14.17.28   fakenullie | could be control loop issues
 14.17.45   fakenullie | pid tuning
 14.17.47        jammi | no, just the nature of thermal conductivity and radiation
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 14.18.01        jammi | ran pid tuning after every change in the setup
 14.18.05        jammi | like always
 14.18.37     Brandano | back
 14.18.59     Brandano | jammi: I wish it actually worked, tbh. Does your printer have an enclosure?