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> /u/MrKingOfNegativity apologies for the delay, let's finish this one up strong.

No need to apologize. Circumstances behind the delay were not your fault, and you still made it in spite of them. I can respect that.

Let's close this out with a bang.

## Last Points On the Speed Argument

> Jack's speed is high for the tier, that much should be known, what Jack is being shown doing here is not out of tier, especially for the reasons I’ve postulated.

You were the one who said (and then evidenced) that our tier-setter is tagged by bullets from a handgun. A gatling gun shoots at a monstrously faster RPM *and* fires bullets at a higher velocity. Because of that, being able to effortlessly and continuously deflect gatling fire with sword swings indicates *much* greater speed on the part of the feat-holder. That was my point; that you placed the tier-setter on one level and then placed your own character on a significantly higher level.

It's not a question of whether or not Jason possesses out-of-tier speed. It's a question of whether or not your argument is consistent enough to be taken at face value.

> I’m not arguing this feat, I never mentioned this feat, for the sake of the arguments I put out, this feat might as well not exist.

I don't think that matters in regards to the point raised. Your character, despite your stipulations, has a speed feat that is identical to the ones you claim are out-of-tier for mine. (Feats which I, myself, never mentioned in my argument either) If you wanted that feat excluded, you should have had it excluded. That you haven't means I can draw all of the comparisons I like when raising my point.

A point which still stands, by the way. If the high interpretation of Uber Jason's FTE feats puts him out-of-tier, then that goes double for the *conservative* interpretation of Mr. Green's feat that I linked.

## Mr. Green VS Uber Jason

> As for the landing part, I don’t know about you but [that looks like a *lot* of dirt, I don’t see any rock there at all, or anything that would be hard to displace](https://i.imgur.com/INAHJ4e.jpeg) (and before it's said, those rocks adjacent to the crater were obviously there before, due to how they are imbedded in the grass). I’m gonna say it, displacing a lot of dirt is not really a feat, and besides, [Mr. Green has already tanked something more impressive](https://gfycat.com/warpedamusedanemoneshrimp), and didn’t have to stop for a while to get up afterwards.

Displacing enough dirt to make a crater the size of a living room is definitely a feat. Dirt not being as solid as stone doesn't change that; this is like someone using the "brittle material" argument to claim that smashing an obsidian pillar is not a feat.

But since we're picking apart materials now, let's apply that to the piledriver feat. Freeze-framing [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVA5BPCDras&t=0m41s) tells us that Mr. Green's "base" is actually a hotel/resort. They're fighting on the hotel floors when that feat happens. What are hotel floors made out of?

According to [this source](https://parterreflooring.com/hospitality-flooring-101/)...
> Hotel floors can be made of many materials, including **wood, ceramic tile, vinyl or even concrete**. What is more important, however, is the durability of the chosen hotel flooring. With the amount of heavy foot traffic it will likely experience, **a material like LVT is better suited for hotel flooring**.

The only concrete we see comes from the last floor they fell through, so the rest of those were likely made of one of the weaker materials listed above. I'm not going to try and guess which one, because it doesn't make much difference; the feat isn't as impressive as you seem to think.

>But we’re arguing damage output right now for Mr. Green, so what does he have?
>
>[Here’s him throwing a large ladder hard enough to be embedded in the wall](https://gfycat.com/creamyeducatedharlequinbug)
>
>[Clashes with Mr. Red in a way that heavily damages the ground](https://gfycat.com/potablechiefauklet)
>
>Using that and [this](https://gfycat.com/lightnewleafcutterant), we can conclude that Mr. Red and Mr. Green are *extremely* equivalent in strength, and Mr. Red has…
>
>[Broke off a piece of catwalk and launched it extremely hard with his legs](https://gfycat.com/academicagileflyingfish)
>
>[Punching straight through the ground](https://gfycat.com/givingclosedbantamrooster)

All of that is unimpressive when compared to Uber Jason's durability. If the re-entry feat is not enough to indicate that, then:

* [A blast from explosive charges powerful enough to destroy a spacecraft's bridge tunnel](https://gfycat.com/illinformedhandmadelhasaapso) isn't enough to kill Uber Jason.
* [Uber Jason shoulder-ramming his lesser, fleshy counterpart through that metal wall I mentioned before](https://imgur.com/a/dnzKi) did not hurt either of them.
   * Using film showings to discredit this won't work; this version of fleshy Jason was stronger than his film counterpart, as he was [reconstructed using nanotech](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/xLxSdvphyfEINa0Pe0MBF7wA1EXu4WVsnHSWgKFDvzE6kt9Hl_8hy5Y4GdtmWMHyE7ejKOnEObsi=s16000), which is programmed to upgrade whatever tissues it reconstructs.
* [Two versions of Uber Jason brawl](https://pastebin.com/pdFparxh), taking hits from each other without stopping. Refer to the strength feats I listed off before; both of these two are capable of replicating them.

Mr. Green's strength is not enough to kill Jason with that alone. Trying to out-muscle him is going to be a losing battle, no matter how many clones are hitting him at once.

> It’s simple, it's shown that Mr. Green is capable of working with other clones in tandem, as if he can communicate with them remotely. This is further shown as later on, he’s shown weaving in sentences with his clones. Point is, he’s not gonna have any problem coordinating with his clones to say…

Let me go through these one by one.

> Throw him off the building

A character who has survived falling from space is not going to be hurt by being thrown off a building.

> Impale him on one of the nearby skyscraper lightning rods

I peeped this game faster than you could run it.

> Jason [can survive with his heart vaporized](https://pastebin.com/qdMfqq6Z) and regenerate from having multiple parts of his body (including the bulk of his head) [melted off by a laser](https://pastebin.com/qdMfqq6Z).

Impalement isn't going to kill or incap someone who can walk around with a giant hole where his heart used to be, and Jason is more than strong enough to snap a lightning rod so he can get back to moving again.

> Throw him into the water

Yeah, ah...

> Of special note: the city limits cannot be exited under any circumstance, with an invisible 'wall' preventing persons from exfiltrating the island; you're stuck on the island, for better or worse.
> *-OP fiat*

...you're not getting him into the water no matter how hard you toss him.

> Grab each limb and quarter him
> Pull off his head

These might actually work if Mr. Green or any of his clones had the strength to do so. Unfortunately, as I have evidenced above, they don't.

> Oh, right. Long-term endurance isn’t going to mean anything in this fight, since Jason is going to lose in less than a minute anyway. As shown before, **Mr. Green has him beat in literally every stat, save for a bit of durability**, and that stat won’t matter in the slightest since he’s going to be fighting 10+ Mr. Greens at once.

You haven't even tackled Jason's strength feats yet, much less proven that they're inferior to Mr. Green's. Durability has since been re-proven to be in Jason's favor, and...

Actually, that's about it. There's nothing left to even argue stats-wise except for speed.