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  1. Jan 19 17:21:27 <Sparkler> https://ronxgr5zb4dkwdpt.onion/1343194
  2. Jan 19 17:21:30 <MuckBot> Derpibooru image #1343194: [URL: https://derpibooru.org/1343194 ] [Rating: safe] [Artist:Unknown] [Score: ▲1/▼0=1(100%)] [Tags: artist needed, bubble wrap, micro, oc, oc:tinisparkler, paper clip, thimble]
  3. Jan 19 17:26:15 * Tuuc has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 50.1.0/20161208153507])
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  5. Jan 19 17:54:28 * AndChat|25625 (AndChat2562@Pony-0j4.shm.187.128.IP) has joined
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  7. Jan 19 17:56:47 <Sparkler> https://ronxgr5zb4dkwdpt.onion/1343203
  8. Jan 19 17:56:50 <MuckBot> Derpibooru image #1343203: [URL: https://derpibooru.org/1343203 ] [Rating: safe] [Artist: princrim] [Score: ▲2/▼0=2(100%)] [Tags: micro, oc, oc:starburn, oc:tinisparkler, toothpick]
  9. Jan 19 17:57:41 * R3nny has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
  10. Jan 19 18:01:11 <Nebbie> Sparkler, a word of wisdom: don't upload DNP stuff. We ban you for that.
  11. Jan 19 18:01:25 <Sparkler> huh?
  12. Jan 19 18:03:08 <Nebbie> Derpibooru site staff being "we".
  13. Jan 19 18:03:35 <Sparkler> I don't get it
  14. Jan 19 18:03:49 <Scythe_the_batpony> Sparkler is tini fencing horse!
  15. Jan 19 18:06:08 * WuBzY has quit (Connection closed)
  16. Jan 19 18:06:30 * WuBzY (wubzy@wubz.that.is.all) has joined
  17. Jan 19 18:16:04 * Sombra (Iceman@Darkhorse21) has joined
  18. Jan 19 18:22:04 <Sunrise_Flare> wat
  19. Jan 19 18:22:37 <Sunrise_Flare> don't upload DNP stuff. We ban you for that.
  20. Jan 19 18:22:42 <Sombra> How many grizzly bears have you fought?
  21. Jan 19 18:22:47 <Sunrise_Flare> that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard lol
  22. Jan 19 18:23:07 <Sunrise_Flare> isn't derpibooru just a site to share pictures of cartoon horses?
  23. Jan 19 18:25:34 <SunsetShimmer> I feel like it's just a derp thing to say
  24. Jan 19 18:25:57 <Nebbie> Such a site would rather abide by artist wishes on art and not run immediately afoul of the law while at it. DNP lists are a necessary evil.
  25. Jan 19 18:27:12 <Sunrise_Flare> alright, so what is dnp?
  26. Jan 19 18:27:34 <Nebbie> Do Not Post.
  27. Jan 19 18:27:47 <GyroTech> DNPs for commissioned artwork though is incredibly dumb
  28. Jan 19 18:28:09 <Nebbie> When you get a commission, you tell the artist to transfer rights and you get them saying so in writing somewhere.
  29. Jan 19 18:28:36 <Sombra> How exactly do you get "artist rights" by uploading something onto the internet?
  30. Jan 19 18:28:51 <Sombra> Don't you need to contact the copyright breau or something?
  31. Jan 19 18:29:08 <Nebbie> You don't do that, you put is into a bind with legal/ethical technicalities and we end up with serious problems.
  32. Jan 19 18:29:12 <GyroTech> Nah copyright is inherrent in creation
  33. Jan 19 18:29:20 * LegionRed has quit (Quit: Worst quit message, ever.)
  34. Jan 19 18:29:32 <Nebbie> The copyright bureau is only for the registered stuff, R in a circle
  35. Jan 19 18:29:41 <Nebbie> C in a circle is automatic.
  36. Jan 19 18:29:58 <Nebbie> TM is also automatic, R is its registered version IIRC
  37. Jan 19 18:30:00 <Sombra> So just drawing something and uploading it, you have a C around your stuff
  38. Jan 19 18:30:10 <GyroTech> dont even need to upload it
  39. Jan 19 18:30:15 <Nebbie> Yes, and you can say all rights reserved even, etc.
  40. Jan 19 18:30:48 <GyroTech> Though I've filed gyro at the copyright office :P I've got the cert and everything.
  41. Jan 19 18:30:56 <Sombra> So does that mean you have rights to sue someone and have the probability in your favor to win?
  42. Jan 19 18:31:41 <GyroTech> So without registration you get damages, with registration you can get punitive fines.
  43. Jan 19 18:31:46 <Nebbie> This is how US copyright law works, yes, Sombra.
  44. Jan 19 18:31:56 <GyroTech> thats basically the mane difference between registering or not
  45. Jan 19 18:32:23 <Sombra> I'm not familiar with copyright laws
  46. Jan 19 18:32:33 <Nebbie> Gyro's thing gets more complicated because character designs I think fall more under trademark law. It's a bitch to deal with people "owning" an OC design.
  47. Jan 19 18:32:39 <GyroTech> Nebbie: nope!
  48. Jan 19 18:32:47 <GyroTech> they are still undercopyright :D
  49. Jan 19 18:33:00 <Sombra> I mean since ponies are all based off of lauren fausts design (IE property of hasbro) I'm pretty sure no one has any rights to them.
  50. Jan 19 18:33:05 <GyroTech> nope!
  51. Jan 19 18:33:09 <GyroTech> styles cant be copyrighted
  52. Jan 19 18:33:13 <Sombra> OC or otherwise, unless they are different enough to be called a different design,
  53. Jan 19 18:33:16 <Nebbie> That's where things get into a tangle to start with, Sombra.
  54. Jan 19 18:33:36 <GyroTech> OCs are actually fine, as long as you dont use anything in them that's inherently pony
  55. Jan 19 18:33:41 * Nicktendonick (Nicktendoni@Pony-77jca1.res.bhn.net) has joined
  56. Jan 19 18:33:45 <GyroTech> they cant come from 'equestria' for exmaple
  57. Jan 19 18:34:41 * LegionRed (LegionRed@The.DragonHorse.DraconisEquus) has joined
  58. Jan 19 18:35:36 <GyroTech> But you can only copyright a character to the extent they are developed as well. There are a couple pretty good case laws...I got into a dispute with a derpi admin over this one
  59. Jan 19 18:36:31 <GyroTech> https://derpibooru.org/meta/should-commissioners-be-able-to-issue-takedowns/post/1919208#post_1919208
  60. Jan 19 18:36:37 <GyroTech> some info sourced with caselaw
  61. Jan 19 18:36:53 <GyroTech> THe actual nebulous thing is if /you/ did not draw your OC first
  62. Jan 19 18:37:22 <Sunrise_Flare> OK so
  63. Jan 19 18:37:24 <GyroTech> The artist who does owns the copyright to the design in that case
  64. Jan 19 18:37:32 <Sunrise_Flare> how can you tell those are DNP posts?
  65. Jan 19 18:37:55 <GyroTech> you're supposed to have the list memorized or smth >.>
  66. Jan 19 18:37:56 <Nebbie> >shopping out a sig, uploading as "artist needed" when it's your own fukking OC
  67. Jan 19 18:37:57 <MuckBot> fucking*
  68. Jan 19 18:37:58 <Nebbie> wew lad
  69. Jan 19 18:38:17 <Nebbie> No, you're supposed to ctrl+f it for artist name when uploading
  70. Jan 19 18:38:25 <Nebbie> We can understand if the artist is under a different name.
  71. Jan 19 18:38:42 <Nebbie> We are not so understanding when we know you're intentionally trying to get stuff past us that you know is against the rules.
  72. Jan 19 18:39:22 <Sunrise_Flare> reminds me of that guy who goes into thrift shops and finds beautiful donated landscape pictures, paints over the artist's signature and writes "Adolf Hitler" there instead lol
  73. Jan 19 18:40:11 <Shamon> He doesn't paint over them though? Least I dont think he does
  74. Jan 19 18:40:37 <Sunrise_Flare> I think he does
  75. Jan 19 18:40:40 * NexusOfConcordia has quit (Quit: Byeeeee~ My Skype is d4sh1te. Online there 100% of my free time. Just sayin'.)
  76. Jan 19 18:40:45 <Sunrise_Flare> he definitely replaces the signature with Hitler's
  77. Jan 19 18:41:58 * Nicktendonick shitposts - http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/629/331/176.gif
  78. Jan 19 18:42:28 <Nicktendonick> (annoyed, because Know your meme still doesn't have the story on this image)
  79. Jan 19 18:43:07 * SunsetShimmer has quit (Quit: Staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay freeeeeeeesh!~)
  80. Jan 19 18:44:55 <GyroTech> Though correct me if I'm wrong Nebbie, but you have safeharbor unless an artist literally takes down an image, so there arent even really that many legal techicalities on your end.
  81. Jan 19 18:45:06 <GyroTech> since its user hosted content
  82. Jan 19 18:45:30 <GyroTech> by having a DNP you actually put yourself at greater jeopardy, sinc eyou put yourself in the realm of offering curated content
  83. Jan 19 18:45:46 <GyroTech> Since, I believe that loses you safe harbor
  84. Jan 19 18:47:17 <Nebbie> What form of safe harbor?
  85. Jan 19 18:47:36 <GyroTech> Legal, from the hosting copyright content standpoint
  86. Jan 19 18:47:44 <GyroTech> since vimeo got burned for exactly that
  87. Jan 19 18:49:15 <Nebbie> That's DMCA safe harbor, it doesn't apply to a site hosted in France
  88. Jan 19 18:49:46 <GyroTech> I suppose yes thats true.
  89. Jan 19 18:50:25 * Changeling_Nightmares (Surreal@Cutest.Floofy.Changeling.Batpone) has joined
  90. Jan 19 18:51:51 <GyroTech> I thought that was worked into treaties, but I dont know my law well enough to know if that's the case.
  91. Jan 19 18:52:32 <Nebbie> Nope
  92. Jan 19 18:52:54 <Nebbie> The EU has its own thing and actually has some stuff that's a bit strict atm thanks to a silly ruling on links to infringing stuff.
  93. Jan 19 18:53:01 <Eventide> Scythe_the_batpony: http://i.imgur.com/CbJzo7N.png
  94. Jan 19 18:53:57 <Nebbie> Also uh
  95. Jan 19 18:54:00 <GyroTech> Ahhh I see, the DMCA is an implimentation of the WIPO treaty. It may be implimented differently in other places.
  96. Jan 19 18:54:20 <Nebbie> Gyro Tech is a registered copyright. Of NabCo http://nabcoentrances.lanexdev.com/
  97. Jan 19 18:54:35 <GyroTech> Yep!
  98. Jan 19 18:54:41 <GyroTech> Thats fine though
  99. Jan 19 18:54:57 <GyroTech> You mean registered trademark I assume
  100. Jan 19 18:55:21 <GyroTech> Which is fine, different spheres can have te same name without being infringing
  101. Jan 19 18:55:32 <Nebbie> No, registered copyright
  102. Jan 19 18:55:50 <Nebbie> actually, hold on
  103. Jan 19 18:55:54 <Nebbie> gotta chekk something
  104. Jan 19 18:55:55 <MuckBot> check*
  105. Jan 19 18:56:00 <GyroTech> you cant copyright a phrase :P
  106. Jan 19 18:56:17 <Scythe_the_batpony> Eventide: pfffffff
  107. Jan 19 18:56:18 <Shamon> Yes you can!
  108. Jan 19 18:56:22 <Shamon> Like react
  109. Jan 19 18:56:28 <Shamon> :3
  110. Jan 19 18:56:46 <GyroTech> You can trademark a phrase
  111. Jan 19 18:56:50 <Nebbie> Gyrotechnix is copyright, Gyro Tech isn't.
  112. Jan 19 18:57:05 * Changeling_Nightmares is now known as Filly_Nightmares
  113. Jan 19 18:57:33 <Nebbie> There's no registered copyright for a GyroTech, unless I'm missing something.
  114. Jan 19 18:57:46 <Eventide> when Nebbie told me he was dealing with someone posting DNP I was like
  115. Jan 19 18:57:51 <Eventide> "what are the odds it's gyro"
  116. Jan 19 18:57:54 <Eventide> turns out it's 100%
  117. Jan 19 18:58:04 <Nebbie> And Sparkler
  118. Jan 19 18:58:18 <Eventide> gyro was more likely
  119. Jan 19 19:00:40 <Shamon> As long as it's in your own words
  120. Jan 19 19:01:56 * IronMustang has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
  121. Jan 19 19:03:08 * IronMustang (SplitSecond@Pony-fjir2i.nqdo.kvg7.0600.2601.IP) has joined
  122. Jan 19 19:03:21 * IronMustang is now known as Pony_23299
  123. Jan 19 19:07:15 <Eventide> anyway, here we witness GyroTech being a shitlord
  124. Jan 19 19:07:18 <Eventide> :P
  125. Jan 19 19:07:23 * Storm_Bringer has quit (Quit: Stormy went on a Adventure, he will return someday.)
  126. Jan 19 19:08:48 <GyroTech> Grumble grumble snitch in OOC
  127. Jan 19 19:09:57 <Eventide> https://derpibooru.org/1339212?scope=scpee93e34c89ef8797b41014c2511f4b18ef88c8950
  128. Jan 19 19:09:59 <MuckBot> Derpibooru image #1339212: [Rating: safe] [Artist: digital--quill] [Score: ▲19/▼0=19(100%)] [Tags: gay, griffonized, groupshot, oc, oc:gyro feather, oc:gyro tech, oc only + 10 more]
  129. Jan 19 19:10:05 <Eventide> I like how Gyro's posting incomplete pictures
  130. Jan 19 19:10:47 <Eventide> and he's not even in it
  131. Jan 19 19:10:47 <Eventide> kek
  132. Jan 19 19:10:50 <GyroTech> Most artists post thier initial sketch for YCH's. That was as initail as I could get it
  133. Jan 19 19:11:11 <GyroTech> I was hoping to drum up a couple more slots. Anyways he is in the top right, sketched in.
  134. Jan 19 19:11:30 <Eventide> uh huh
  135. Jan 19 19:11:36 <Eventide> you're just looking to bloat your tag up
  136. Jan 19 19:11:53 <GyroTech> Ehh nah It can be removed and I dont give a shit after tomorrow.
  137. Jan 19 19:12:01 * Sunrise_Flare pokes her hooves together
  138. Jan 19 19:12:10 <Sunrise_Flare> my uh... my tag has a new picture senpai...
  139. Jan 19 19:12:44 * Pony_23299 has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
  140. Jan 19 19:13:27 <Fluttershi> look how many my pony has https://derpibooru.org/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&sbq=fluttershy
  141. Jan 19 19:13:30 <Fluttershi> lul
  142. Jan 19 19:13:47 <Eventide> that appears to be an oc called "fluttershy"
  143. Jan 19 19:13:53 <Eventide> totally different
  144. Jan 19 19:14:12 <Sunrise_Flare> how do you tag a picture as not sasfe?
  145. Jan 19 19:14:24 <Nebbie> well
  146. Jan 19 19:14:29 <Nebbie> you start by not tagging it as sasfe
  147. Jan 19 19:14:32 <Nebbie> then you upload it.
  148. Jan 19 19:14:43 <Eventide> I mean
  149. Jan 19 19:14:50 <Eventide> you could also tag it "dangerous"
  150. Jan 19 19:14:51 <Eventide> c:
  151. Jan 19 19:15:15 <Nebbie> dagnerous, Eventide.
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