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19:42		+++ ChanServ has given op to Trozett
19:42	Trozett	Unfortunately, only sovereign states are allowed to participate. Pagan, you may listen, but i request you do not speak, mainly because of the fact that you remain blocked and it will become confusing.
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19:43		AceProblemInspector attempts to figure out how to change his name
19:43	Trozett	it's /nick (name)
19:43	hurlingSultan	./nick <nam>
19:43	AceProblemInspector	thanks
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19:43		*** Pharmacy is now known as Proctor
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19:44	Trozett	----RP STARTS NOW.----
19:44	Trozett	Welcome to the general council, comrades of all nations.
19:44	Proctor	The pancakes are so boring.
19:44	Trozett	Today i will present for public debate the laws that the internal council has invented.
19:45	Trozett	Does any nation have some opening statements before i begin?
19:45	Yannar	I simply must get the recipe for this omlett
19:45	Yannar	That...was not my opening statement
19:46	Trozett	As no one seems to have a statement, I will begin the reading of the laws.
19:46	Proctor	I suppose the purpose of an opening statement is to make yourself sound fancy.
19:46	Yannar	But why sound fancy when you can BE fancy, I've always said
19:46	Cidellus	((I am watching too, as this phone is horrible for typing and I can't keep up))
19:47		*** Palamedes is now known as Nile
19:47	Trozett	1. No nation shall commit an act of genocide. Genocide is to be defined as the intentional massacre of citizens due to race, political beliefs, or other specific reasons.
19:47	Trozett	In summary, the singling out of any particular group with the intent of massacre.
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19:48	Rosalina	(just gonna sit in here so i can read later, dont expect much from me)
19:48	Trozett	Any objections to our first law?
19:48	Trozett	((sounds good))
19:48	Yannar	Sounds reasonable. Focusing one's efforts on a single data point can only provide skewed results.
19:48	Yannar	And yes that saying can apply in a number of ways, including this.
19:49	Trozett	Are there any further comments before I continue?
19:49	Proctor	Murdering personages for such petty reasons is a waste of men and money.
19:49	Proctor	Carry on.
19:49	Trozett	Very well, comrades.
19:50	Cidellus	sounds good to me. ((can't be assed to type in char))
19:50	Trozett	2. No nation shall use disease as a weapon against an enemy intentionally. This includes the launching of diseased items, corpses, etc. across the walls of an enemy encampment, fortress, or city, poisoning the water supply, and other such acts of indiscriminate violence.
19:51	Kestrel	((This one is the one I like least))
19:51	Trozett	((Provide valid reasons and it will be discussed.))
19:51	Cidellus	((you would))
19:51	Yannar	We have observed the natives of the surrounding isles use this tactic quite often.
19:51	Cidellus	((he isn't a valid representative, as he has no country))
19:52	Yannar	Countering such an attack seems to be well within the capabilities of the savages, even more so developed nations.
19:52	Trozett	((right, thought he was ix for a second.))
19:52	Kestrel	((I think its more humane than shooting a bullet though))
19:52	Proctor	Maybe one day, there will be a play featuring walking corpses that seeks to infect everyone and everybody.
19:52	Trozett	Madness, proctor.
19:52	Trozett	It would never work.
19:52	Kestrel	((brb making zombies))
19:52	Trozett	To comrade yannar: It is fixable, in some cases, but not so much in others.
19:53	Trozett	It depends on the disease. A disease from a foreign land can be particularly devastating.
19:53	Yannar	I suppose it would depend on the quality of the disease being carried in the corpses
19:53	Yannar	I agree with Mr. Trozett
19:53	Cidellus	((can't even read this. phone won't let me scroll... ))
19:53	Yannar	The level of the atrocity could very well depend on the level of the disease
19:54	Trozett	Furthermore, I see no honor in the act of throwing a corpse over a wall and hoping it kills someone. It is inhumane, it is dishonorable, and it is overall unneccessary.
19:54	Trozett	Are there any objections?
19:54	Proctor	I have no objections, but the intellectually-leaning fellows over there might have issues
19:54	Kestrel	((Cid, if you want I can send you the logs afterwards))
19:54	Trozett	Which fellows in particular?
19:54	Cidellus	and what of quicklime artillery shells? chemical weapons?
19:55	Trozett	Chemical weapons? My nation has encountered no such weapons thus far.
19:55	Trozett	((We havent had WW1 yet. And cinnamon oil is hardly distressing enough to make a law about.))
19:55	Yannar	I simply find it rash to ban all forms of a weapon simply because some forms are worse than others
19:55	Cidellus	((quicklime, IRL, has been used since medieval times))
19:55	Yannar	One could outlaw throwing rocks and then claim that bullets are rocks too
19:55	Trozett	((what does it do?))
19:56	Cidellus	((commonly not used due to how much it burns, and the wind factor))
19:56	Proctor	but oh, a bullet is faster than a rock
19:56	Trozett	Comrade, the point  of this law is that these sorts of weapons kill indiscriminately.
19:56	Cidellus	((burns and causes tremendous pain.))
19:56	Cidellus	((like uber-cinnamon))
19:56	Kestrel	((Ok, well I'm not going to argue cinnamon oil, i've given up there but still, better to outlaw before than after.))
19:56	Cidellus	((  ))
19:56	Trozett	Disease and poison kill women and children just as often as they kill children.
19:56	Yannar	Ah, I believe I see Mr. Trozett's argument now.
19:56	Trozett	*Soldiers
19:56	Trozett	not children
19:56	Trozett	excuse me, slip of the tongue.
19:57	Nile	((Trozett clearly plans to use child warriors against us all))
19:57	Trozett	((that's outlawed in law 5
19:57	Yannar	So, if a weapon can be targeted specifically to soldiers, if may be approved
19:57	Trozett	((i know i know its a joke)
19:57	Trozett	No, not quite.
19:57	Trozett	Because disease may spread, as well.
19:58	Yannar	Again I emphasize the weapon being specific to the soldiers and military installations
19:58	Kestrel	((so all these laws are set up from the only horrible war thus far, the one i started. nice,))
19:58	Yannar	Such as bullets
19:58	Trozett	This law is not one I think many of us who have seen the horrors of the revolution in Rultzven will be willing to budge on. We have seen the destruction an inability to remove corpses can cause. I do not wish to recall the seige of muskovitzia today though.
19:59	Cidellus	((you were a walking war crime))
19:59	Trozett	Moving on to chemical warfare: I agree with the comrade from cidel. It is worthy of being banned. I will bring this ammendment back to the internal council at our next meeting.
19:59	Proctor	Yay.
20:00	Cidellus	yay!
20:00	Trozett	It will be discussed before any particular ban is placed, though.
20:00	Yannar	Very well, I would appreciate having time to speak my mind on that particular matter
20:00	Trozett	I have heard vague rumors from the islands of such chemicals being used as well.
20:00	Trozett	but this will be continued later.
20:00	Trozett	Are there any final objections to law number two?
20:00	Kestrel	((yay, i don't have the urge to make chemical weapons out of monkey-feces any more.))
20:01	Yannar	The law is clearly defined and for the greater result.
20:01	Proctor	Yay.
20:01	Yannar	Mr. Proctor seems rather jubilant tonight
20:01	Trozett	Very well. we end the discussion of law number two.
20:01	Proctor	:|
20:01	Yannar	I stand corrected
20:02	Trozett	Law number three: Any enemy commander waving the white flag of unconditional surrender will be allowed such a surrender.
20:03	Yannar	I see nothing to debate here.
20:03	Trozett	Any other comments?
20:03	Rosalina	i think the wording should be a little different
20:03	Rosalina	as demonsul said
20:03	Rosalina	but otherwise the point is fine
20:03	Trozett	((We're in character ))
20:03	Proctor	I wonder what happens if people do the white-flag as a trap
20:03	Kestrel	((Yes, even I am in character))
20:03	Cidellus	taken as POWs in decent conditions...
20:03	Proctor	can't trust people I suppose
20:04	Yannar	That would rate an international atrocity, I would assume.
20:04	Rosalina	(is someone going to keep this and show it to sul?)
20:04	Kestrel	((I can do that, if you want. I have the logs
20:04	Trozett	((I will if we have it all in the record))
20:04	Kestrel	er, one sec
20:05	Trozett	Very well. Law number four: No enemy POW will be enslaved for any sort of forced labor. The burial of their own dead is still up for debate.
20:05	Yannar	Labor of one's own free will, however, is sanctioned?
20:06	Trozett	Yes. IHOP-sanctioned officials will be sent to pow camps regularly to check such conditions.
20:06	Trozett	Investigations will be held, etc.
20:06	Trozett	Any objections?
20:07	Kestrel	((Those should be officials from all the nations, just my opinion there))
20:07	Proctor	No concentrated POWs in camps, no slavery, et cetera
20:07	Yannar	This all sounds proper and moral and such.
20:08	Trozett	very well. We shall move on to our fifth and final law.
20:08	Proctor	Woot
20:08	Trozett	No nation shall conscript or otherwise recruit children under the age of 16 years to be a soldier.
20:08	Kestrel	((What about volunteers?))
20:09	Trozett	((No. You're the walking war  crime. Only you think this is acceptable. :|)
20:09	Kestrel	((If a 14 year old wants to fight for his country, shouldn't he be able to?))
20:09	Yannar	I feel the shoe-polishing servant has a small point.
20:09	Trozett	((No. He should not.))
20:09	Trozett	((Because he's a fourteen year old.))
20:09	Yannar	What of any volunteers who would not normally be accepted?
20:09	Cidellus	((that could be abused))
20:09	Trozett	No child under the age of sixteen.
20:09	Trozett	It is too easily abused.
20:10	Trozett	As goratina has demonstrated.
20:10	Yannar	Indeed
20:10	Cidellus	((governments could force them in and say they volunteered))
20:10		Proctor coughs
20:10	Yannar	I support Law 5
20:10	Trozett	Yes, comrade proctor?
20:10	Cidellus	I as well.
20:10	Proctor	Nothing
20:10	Trozett	Is something wrong, perhaps?
20:10	Proctor	No senor
20:11	Kestrel	((Officials can ask the individual. >.> Also what about children taking up arms in an unorganized fashion, none military?))
20:11	Trozett	Very well, if you're quite sure.
20:11	Yannar	Why, Mr. Proctor, your shoes appear below optimal in appearance.
20:11	Trozett	((It's called propaganda and brainwashing))
20:11	Proctor	My boots are fine
20:11	Yannar	Mr. Kestrel, would you be so kind as to assist Mr. Proctor by shining his shoes? There's a good lad.
20:11	Trozett	((It's a no. You're not even supposed to be commenting. Just observing. :|))
20:11	Yannar	Or you could shine mine. Either way
20:11		Kestrel shines all the shoes
20:11	Proctor	Nah, it's okay
20:11	Yannar	Whatever keeps you quiet.
20:11	Proctor	gah
20:12	Trozett	I move for the observer from the province of yurt kalan be removed from the room should such shoe-shining shenanigans continue.
20:12	Proctor	so
20:12	Proctor	age
20:12		Nile is a bit freaked out by this shoe thing
20:12	Kestrel	((just trying to help you cover all the bases))
20:12	Trozett	*move that
20:13	Yannar	How the hell did he move so fast?
20:13	Yannar	I second the motion
20:13	Trozett	Are all comrades in agreement?
20:13	Cidellus	aye
20:13	Cidellus	I am
20:13	Proctor	I fourth the motion
20:13	Trozett	Very well. This concludes the first general council of the International House of Peace.
20:13	Yannar	F=ma
20:14	Trozett	I wish all of you a good day. May fortune shine upon you.
20:14	Yannar	Sorry, that happens sometimes. My apologies.
20:14	Yannar	Thank you, sir.
20:14	Trozett	Pancakes are in the hall with vodka.
20:14	Proctor	Vodka pancakes