Bit ⚡ - Today at 5:59 AM
I mean it's not wrong. From what I've seen Forces is shaping up to be just Sonic Genrations with more bells and whistles not all of them good, eg the fact characters that chime in over your radio will not shut the fuck up during gameplay which is sure to make repeat runs very annoying. Where Genrations and Mania is just pick a level and GO.

Nicobee.e̢x͟͞ȩ - Today at 6:01 AM
Well people often wanted more story based elements in Sonic Games. That has been a consistent complaint and if a little dialogue here or there helps immerse the players I don't really mind. If we can get a story like Lost World's with a system like Generations I'll be happy

Bit ⚡ - Today at 6:04 AM
I don't mind the heavy story focus but the things they chime in to tell you I've seen so far don't even help you. Like Amy says in this one trailer about a mine cart twice but what she's saying adds nothing to the plot nor the level. If she was more like.

"Hey Rookie speed it up! They've got Sonic and we're going to need our star player to win this war. He's being tortured in the chamber up ahead, bring our boy home!"
Still a good video with the BBQ pit and all.

Nicobee.e̢x͟͞ȩ - Today at 6:05 AM
Yeah tis funny
Bit ⚡ - Today at 6:07 AM
The first thing my writing teacher told me was unless it advances the story, is a set up for a joke, world building or a character moment you cut it out.
When I'm fighting Eggman I don't need Tails chiming in with. "Sonic, watch out!"
When it should be. "Sonic I'm picking up a pattern in his machines movements. After the third attack it cools down to recharge, that's your moment to strike. Hit it hard Sonic & help Cream get those animals back to the forest."

Nicobee.e̢x͟͞ȩ - Today at 6:18 AM
Emotional responses have their place in dialogue my dude. The dialogue you proposed just comes off as mechanical and more like a tutorial than an actual character reaction

Bit ⚡ - Today at 7:01 AM
It is a video game. I'd call it less Emotional responses more useless exposition.
But that's just me.

Fun is Infinite - Today at 8:26 AM
an emotional reaction to something happening and shocking a character is not exposition
exposition is based on explaining or describing a plot element that was not naturally introduced

Bit ⚡ - Today at 8:54 AM
While I could have picked a better word It can be seen as pointless yammering none the less. The expoistive nature of statements like be careful over gameplay are themselfves expository in nature, with the current situation and or the chaircters feelings boiled down to a phrase to explain.

Fun is Infinite - Today at 9:11 AM
It's not, it's people talking to eachother, they tend to do that, at the level it's presented it's not excessive

Bit ⚡ - Today at 9:13 AM
It really is specifically if your playing the level over and over and the person you're controlling dosen't respond.
Not to mention 3-4 chars will be on the horn to you at one time.

Fun is Infinite - Today at 9:14 AM
Why are you repeating a level and expecting the same scripted dialog to not happen?>(edited)
sorry
typo
Also, another note, Video games are still a story telling medium, as such, there will be characters, they will have feelings, they will talk to one another, especially if there is a linear narrative
that's not stuff you get rid of "because vibeo james"
Also we are in a wildly unfitting channel for this

Bit ⚡ - Today at 9:18 AM
I liked Sonic Colors & Generations because level dialogue was optional by picking up the ?
In Forces they don't shut the hell up. Like Vector will be on the horn then for seconds later it's charmy and then Knuckles not adding anything of value to whats happening. Like Snake just carried on during gameplay I'd loose my mind.
Giving the player the option to pick up the phone would have been better. I only think it hurts Sonic because it's a game made to be replayed and speed run.

Fun is Infinite - Today at 9:19 AM
You can't really say that when all we've seen are excerpts from small portions of stages, they're likely highlighting moments of character dialogue just to show some of the interactions and personalities

Bit ⚡ - Today at 9:19 AM
You're going to be hearing those lines of A LOT

Fun is Infinite - Today at 9:20 AM
So what, characters talk, the Sonic franchise has never been a quiet and pondering game
We're not talking about fuckin' Dark Souls

Bit ⚡ - Today at 9:21 AM
My point was during cutsences and transitions fine, but during gameplay the constant chiming in is something the series has never had before.
Sonic Boom they never shut the hell up.

Fun is Infinite - Today at 9:22 AM
It's not really constant, each trailer only shows ONE or TWO short dialogue moments
plus you're fighting an invisible enemy here
we're talking about a game that isn't even out

Nicobee.e̢x͟͞ȩ - Today at 9:25 AM
Giving the option to pick up the phone would slow the game to a standstill
Fun is Infinite - Today at 9:25 AM
Especially in a game that has physically shown us its love of flow and speed

Nicobee.e̢x͟͞ȩ - Today at 9:25 AM
Metal Gear is a completely different beast my dude

Bit ⚡ - Today at 9:26 AM
I'm allowed to speculate besides Sega has burned me too many times before so I'll remain apprehensive until they prove me wrong. I just think IMO the voicing in over levels is stupid. It'll be Genrations but with too much dialogue that goes nowhere during gameplay. I've never been playing colors and gone "This needs Amy telling me about whats up ahead."

Fun is Infinite - Today at 9:27 AM
Speculate yes, but you're trying to bin the game entirely based on characters ... talking
You say that, yet mania and colors and  generations and many recent successes are in their wake and they seem to have their shit together

Bit ⚡ - Today at 9:27 AM
characters ... talking....saying nothing of value too many times during gameplay. In cutsences they can talk all they like.

Fun is Infinite - Today at 9:27 AM
That's entirely your opinion

Bit ⚡ - Today at 9:28 AM
Cause the last person who yammered over gameplay with terrible dialouge was called Omochao.

Fun is Infinite - Today at 9:28 AM
This is NOTHING remotely on par with Omochao
They talk less than Chief and Cortana yammering in Halo 1, yet nobody bitched about that in my presence

Bit ⚡ - Today at 9:28 AM
Hearing Knuckles, Then Vector, Then Amy THEN CHARMY all speaking within 12 seconds of eachother

Fun is Infinite - Today at 9:29 AM
And?

Nicobee.e̢x͟͞ȩ - Today at 9:29 AM
They are interacting with each other
They aren't going
"SONIC SONIC THERE IS A LINE OF SPIKES UP AHEAD"

Bit ⚡ - Today at 9:29 AM
Some of them are.

Fun is Infinite - Today at 9:29 AM
You complain about that, yet Metal Gear Solid has hour long conversations with two characters dropping exposition about shit that was never introduced into the plot until they brought it up and now have to explain it while being super awkward to eachother
And cutscenes that rival those moments

Bit ⚡ - Today at 9:30 AM
Like if Vector was talking to Kunx yeah fine, but all I've seen them all dropping shit on you.

Nicobee.e̢x͟͞ȩ - Today at 9:30 AM
Also you could be basing it on the first level of the game too, the recent gameplay trailer has no dialogue

Bit ⚡ - Today at 9:31 AM
Metal Gear's Codec scenes and cutsences can be skipped after you've seen them. Forces you'll hear this crap everytime you replay the level unless you mute the TV.

Fun is Infinite - Today at 9:31 AM
Listen, you don't have to like the game, but you're sounding like you're hunting for any reason to try and devalue it based more on an opinion and less on factual concerns. I think that's why I'm so worried about making a counter argument, which is hard because again. We're talking about something that hasn't even been released

Nicobee.e̢x͟͞ȩ - Today at 9:32 AM
I mean for all we know there will be an option to turn the voices off

Fun is Infinite - Today at 9:32 AM
Every time you repeat most any game it repeats the same shit, again my note about a game wit ha linear narrative and a set story, that's always going to happen
that's also likely
if you repeat a linear story and expect to not hear and see the same things,  then I don't think anyone here can help you

Bit ⚡ - Today at 9:34 AM
"But you're sounding like you're hunting for any reason to try and devalue it based more on an opinion and less on factual concerns."
Dude I've seen the trailers and it's present in them. How is my opinion of they'll repeat what they did in boom not a factual concern?

Fun is Infinite - Today at 9:34 AM
Trailers
not the game
This isn't Boom

Nicobee.e̢x͟͞ȩ - Today at 9:35 AM
To be fair Boom was a completely different studio

Bit ⚡ - Today at 9:35 AM
Half the fun of a hype of a game, is breaking it down and looking at the elements they feed you & Thus far every slice of gameplay has been full of these. I'm not arguing but I'm not going to be told my view are invalid either.

Fun is Infinite - Today at 9:37 AM
Listen you're gonna hear the same answers from me over and over, cus you're bringing up the same things over and over, I've made my points, I've presented my counter-argument, but I'm not gonna sit here for the next 2 hours and listen to you repeat the same things hoping I'll just give up for lack of resilience. You're the only one currently arguing against people speaking to one another in a video game. I haven't had a single issue with anything I've watched from the sonic youtube channel so far, hence Opinion, and when it becomes solely opinion, the arguements start to get pointless when they reach these sort of conundrums. You're bothered when the characters talk, I'm not, I can't force you to see it my way, but you also can't just tell me I'm wrong because you think differently
It's 6:37 AM for me right now, I havent even gotten up and gotten breakfast yet, and I'm getting stressed
I scarcely ever feel good about a game coming out, this one found my heart so well I actually fucking Pre-Ordered it, something I NEVER DO
and with that I'm dropping the gavel

Bit ⚡ - Today at 9:39 AM
You seem to be putting a whole lot of effort into a counter argument when it's just us discussing the finer points of when and where dialogue should or shouldn't be used. You're doing the same thing I am dude. I'm not repeating myself I'm bringing up finer points as a rebuttal that's how this works.
Also if you think opinion renders a discussion pointless then why are we even talking about this? Opinion is the best part of any discussion.

Fun is Infinite - Today at 9:44 AM
"the arguements start to get pointless when they reach these sort of conundrums." there's a threshold I mentioned
We've long reached it, I'm not gonna discuss it anymore right now
I havent had a chance to do any of my morning shit, so save it

Bit ⚡ - Today at 9:45 AM
" I can't force you to see it my way, but you also can't just tell me I'm wrong because you think differently" That's real rich when you said anything I say based on my opinion is invalid. Is the last thing I'll say on this. We're both guilty it's not one over the other.

Fun is Infinite - Today at 9:45 AM
Im  not the one saying that emotional responses are excessive
I'm not the one carrying on
I said we could agree to disagree yet you keep trying to bait it back int oaction
You're not invalid, nobody said you were
I'm saying it's pointless now because it just comes down to two opinions on two people who clearly have their minds set
so I'm not gonna fucking sit here and be talked down to because I admitted a fucking stalemate

Bit ⚡ - Today at 9:47 AM
Dude you literately said I'm wrong because of my opinion as if to just put an end to our talk. I was fine with hashing it out. If you've got shit to do just say, well man it's not the way I see it we'll pick it up later.

Fun is Infinite - Today at 9:48 AM
No, I didn't, I never said "you're wrong"
But I need to get other shit done

Bit ⚡ - Today at 9:48 AM
I don't have work until 1pm I've got time to kill. I was legit wanting to have a conversation.

Nicobee.e̢x͟͞ȩ - Today at 9:49 AM
Alright y'all chill out a bit
I think if you want to hash this out it can be done better preferably in voice where your words can't be misconstrued

Bit ⚡ - Today at 9:51 AM
The whole " You're sounding like you're hunting for any reason to try and devalue it based more on an opinion and less on factual concerns." Is basically a fuck you, the way your looking at it legit has no factual ramifications. I'm not making up the fact they have radio chatter during gameplay. Look anyway who cares it's just a feature in a game and you've got shit to do.

Nicobee.e̢x͟͞ȩ - Today at 9:51 AM
Bit dude
I just said enough
You don't need to get the last word in
I can tell at least Aaron is getting heated and I don't want a fight breaking out in the meme channel of all places

Bit ⚡ - Today at 9:53 AM
You said I shouldn't hold my tongue here, this is what you get. When I'm not thinking about peoples feelings and just want to talk about a point without any censorship. I'm starting to think there's a good reason I do that.

Nicobee.e̢x͟͞ȩ - Today at 9:55 AM
No it's fine that you have a disagreement but I also said to be mindful

Bit ⚡ - Today at 9:55 AM
Anyway I'm being That guy the one I usually end up banning for stirring up shit. So I'll bale out and you'll not have to worry about this again so no big.(edited)

Nicobee.e̢x͟͞ȩ - Today at 9:56 AM
I wont ban you over this (obviously) but I don't want y'all to have chips on your shoulders over a disagreement
i'm just trying to keep the peace
Consider me a reff not a censor you dig?

Bit ⚡ - Today at 10:02 AM
I was fine until I was told my opinion is equivalent of nonfactual stories. I mean I dunno about you but I wasn't imagining the radio chatter in the gameplay clips. That looked pretty factual to me. Anyway I'll leave as not to disturb the peace. I know what a pain in the ass it can be when these fights break out I've monitored way too many of these myself and I'm tired of having blows ups over wanting to discuss a feature. Even you and I do this on a smaller scale probably because I have very different tastes to most of you. Anyway no hard feelings to Arron still think he's a great guy, but if I hang around I can see more of this happening. Anyway I don't need to be in the discord to rp so peace.
You right click the icon right?