Mimicry is the Highest Form of Flattery

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*** Topic is: <Gnar> I was wrong all along, you guys. I'm sorry. The GOP is a group of mentally deficient assclowns.
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*** Channel created on Tue Nov 27 08:27:45 2012
<Keakua> I think this community has become an unhealthy example of the Regressive Left.
<Fearful> Republicans introduce healthcare replacement bill called 'World's Greatest Healthcare Plan of 2017’
<Fearful> are you fucking kidding me....
<Fearful> I really need to leave to a better country
<Keakua> That's a reasonable idea.
<Keakua> America has become a really bad country.
<Keakua> Too many religious people seems to be one of the primary causes.
<Keakua> The history of slavery and racism, and their long effects, seem to be another important cause.
<Fearful> Keakua: it's somehow a third world country that's considered a first world country
<Fearful> i realize what piece of shit it has become
<_OldSchoo> well, that's because the massive wealth disparity makes it appear as though on average people are well off
<Keakua> Fearful, I don't know that the data supports "third world".
<Keakua> Our rankings are generally from 20-45th.
<Fearful> Keakua: a first world country supports health care a right
<Keakua> So, worst of the West to Mexico levels.
<Fearful> Keakua: a first world country doesn't say let people die in the street
<Fearful> a first world country actually has better life
<Keakua> I don't think "first world" is well-defined.
<Fearful> we're only number one in a few things Keakua
<fieryUSA> i don't even understand what the 'regressive left' is.  just saying something doesn't make it true.  you know, kind of like claiming to be wiretapped, without having any evidence whatsoever.
<_OldSchoo> but your liberties!
<Keakua> The concept of First World originated during the Cold War and included countries that were generally aligned with the West and opposed to the Soviet Union during the Cold War (including all NATO countries). Since the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, the definition has instead largely shifted to any country with little political risk and a well functioning democracy, rule of law, capitalist economy, economic stability and high standard of living. Various ways in which modern First World countries are often determined include GDP, GNP, literacy rates and the Human Development Index.[1] In common usage, "First World" refers to the rich nations of the world.[2]
<Fearful> country that spends more than 20+ countries including russia and china
<Fearful> combined
<Fearful> more prisoners per capita
<Fearful> we're number one there
<Keakua> I agree the truth value of your previous claims is true.
<Keakua> I prefer my description of "worst of the West to semi-unstable countries like Mexico"
<fieryUSA> yeah yeah yeah, blah blah blah, the left spends too much time whining about transgender 'rights'.  their errors in what a 'right' should be, pales in comparison to rights being removed, from sharia law republicans.
<Keakua> fieryUSA: do you think the conversation you had yesterday about involuntary immigrants was an example of the regressive left?
<fieryUSA> nope.  because that has NOTHING to do with being 'regressive'.  it is only dialogue.  not action.
<Keakua> fieryUSA: do you recall how the conversation ended?
<Fearful> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-healthcare-plan-worlds-greatest-2017-obamacare-repeal-repl...
<|Ael|> Republicans introduce healthcare replacement bill called 'World's Greatest Healthcare Plan of 2017’ | The Independent ( http://tinyurl.com/glb2zet )
<Keakua> One of the channel moderators banned a large subset of California Comcast users from the room.
<fieryUSA> of for fucks sake.
<fieryUSA> oh
<Fearful> lol
<Fearful> don't you love republicans fieryUSA ?
<Fearful> i don't directly blame them
<Fearful> they're only representatives
<Fearful> I blame the constituents
<Fearful> :)
<Keakua> It's not quite that simple.
<fieryUSA> the representatives are the leaders of the constituents, when they want to be.
<Keakua> As gerrymandering and corporate influence means they're only partially understood as representatives of dumb Americans.
<Keakua> fieryUSA: are you on board with the Enlightenment?
<Keakua> I can be more specific.
<Keakua> Do you think truth claims have at least a partial dimension of truth/falsity outside of their social reception or impact on existing social structures?
<Keakua> Or, do you think that the truth/falsity of claims is evaluated in a competitive game between warring faction who attempt to control the narrative.
<fieryUSA> and "Keakua"....I DIDN'T FUCKING BAN YOU.  stop whining to me about that shit.
<Keakua> fieryUSA: it was never claimed you banned me.
<fieryUSA> no you just constantly whine about it to me
<Keakua> You're indicating "whine" is an important word for you.
<Keakua> An attempt to frame your opponent as a child who makes prima facie ridiculous claims.
<Keakua> (Some might call that a pre-Enlightenment orientation)
<fieryUSA> you're indicating you are a moron, trapped in a thesaurus' body.
* Keakua notes to the audience he has descended into literal, repeated ad hominems
<AndroidUS> hehe
<Keakua> fieryUSA: in my opinion, your debate skill, which was previously at 'moderate', has become markedly worse in the last few months
<fieryUSA> nobody gives two shits about your ego driven attempts to make yourself sound smart.  and if you were actually smart...you might GET that.
<Keakua> Perhaps the psychological trauma many of us have experienced in Trump's transition and post-inauguration period has caused this.
<Keakua> I don't enjoy seeing you like this, fieryUSA.
<Keakua> It is relatively hard to distinguish your current debate level from Trump supporters.
<Keakua> Your 'arguments' are just literal, repeated ad hominems.
<Keakua> Maybe you should tell me to 'get over it', in regards to the conversation.
<Keakua> Oh, wait, you already did.
<Keakua> "stop whining to me about that shit."
<Keakua> Perhaps repeated contact with the drivel of Trump supporters, and their apparent inability to experience shame in response to the dearth of their argumentation has persuaded you to mimic their conversational style.
<fieryUSA> wow.  you are like, still whining.
<Keakua> You are indicating that you map a large subset of points and behaviors into the word "whine".
<Keakua> Like the person who uses curse words for a large subset of their vocabulary, such a limited palette must, inevitably, lead to miscommunication as nuance and hue is lost.
<fieryUSA> mainly towards you.  the only other person i use that word so much with, is trump.
<Keakua> Do you perceive ad hominems as the height of disdain?
<Keakua> I'd consider that a pre-Enlightenment viewpoint.
<Keakua> Maybe you should come up with a clever alliteration using my nickname to really shame me.
<Keakua> Krazy Keakua, perhaps.
<Keakua> Well, I put you on ignore, fieryUSA
<Keakua> Again, I think it's unfortunate to see somebody with an IQ around the 125 level mimicking Trump supporters communication styles
<Keakua> I'll make a promise to you, though
<Keakua> I promise to never abandon the core principles of Western thought or culture with you
<Keakua> I'll always defend your right to free speech, I'll argue against all content-bans you may experience, and I'll always try to give you my intellectual best, even when you confront me with novel viewpoints that may challenge or contradict long-held beliefs
<Keakua> I'll apply to you and your communications the methodology of science and abandon any and all belief, no matter how sacred, if the data you present indicates that is what I must do
<Keakua> - The Intellectual's Oath, cantata XVII
<Keakua> I just realized you did a version of the Trump supporter's plain talk fallacy
<Keakua> Or the straight shooter fallacy when describing the mushy soup that is Trump's worldview
<Keakua> Allow me to quote you directly
<Keakua> "<fieryUSA> you're indicating you are a moron, trapped in a thesaurus' body."
<Keakua> You used proficiency in language as a weapon, as something to hang around somebody's neck
<Keakua> I hope you'll reflect on that post the next time you hear a Trump support extoll the virtue of the Republican healthcare plan as they note it's literally the "World's Greatest Healthcare Plan"
<Keakua> Tell them about the importance of language and how its usage shapes our perceptions of our world, other people, and our self
<Keakua> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke5Mr5eCF2U
<|Ael|> Authentic Frontier Gibberish - YouTube
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*** Topic is: <Gnar> I was wrong all along, you guys. I'm sorry. The GOP is a group of mentally deficient assclowns.
*** Topic set by [email protected] [Wed Feb 15 03:44:32 2017]
*** Channel created on Tue Nov 27 08:27:45 2012
<Keakua> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHJbSvidohg
<|Ael|> Blazing Saddles... You know, morons. - YouTube
<Keakua> The topic is a keen piece of leftist argumentation.
<Keakua> Very proud.
<Keakua> It's funny because I bet some of you imagine that the only person who could say "leftist" is somebody on the right.
<Keakua> On the Political Compass quiz I scored between Bernie Sanders and Noam Chomsky.
<Keakua> laceless, have you ever wondered if you being obsessed with me is a way your brain is trying to navigate some of the trauma accrued by your stalking incident.
<Keakua> Because it seems you're repeating the behavior that harmed you.
<Keakua> It reminds me of when Milo, who was sexually molested by a priest, argued some relationships between boys and men can be beneficial for the boy.
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*** Topic is: <Gnar> I was wrong all along, you guys. I'm sorry. The GOP is a group of mentally deficient assclowns.
*** Topic set by [email protected] [Wed Feb 15 03:44:32 2017]
*** Channel created on Tue Nov 27 08:27:45 2012
<Keakua> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2572709/
<|Ael|> Childhood victimization and lifetime revictimization
<Keakua> "Abused and neglected individuals reported a higher number of traumas and victimization experiences than controls and all types of childhood victimization (physical abuse, sexual abuse, and neglect) were associated with increased risk for lifetime revictimization. Significant group (abuse/neglect versus control) by gender and group by race/ethnicity interactions were found. Childhood victimization increased risk for physical and sexual assault/abuse, kidnapping/stalking, and having a family friend murdered or commit suicide, but not for general traumas, witnessing trauma, or crime victimization."
<Keakua> "kidnapping/stalking"