Objectivity

[2013-01-26 16:25:21] <ladyxzeus> we're always discussing if we are being objective or not
[2013-01-26 16:25:25] <ladyxzeus> i think it's kind of silly
[2013-01-26 16:25:36] <Orion1> it's just rookies
[2013-01-26 16:26:14] <Orion1> a lot of this kids haven't had any philosophy courses yet I'm guessing.
[2013-01-26 16:26:18] <lpf> we have to put rookies in the right path lol.
[2013-01-26 16:26:32] <Orion1> here here
[2013-01-26 16:26:57] <lpf> maybe that's where articles of reference would help.
[2013-01-26 16:27:16] <Orion1> I second
[2013-01-26 16:27:19] <ladyxzeus> people fail to understand that you will ALWAYS be subjective
[2013-01-26 16:27:20] <lpf> also, surprising as it sounds, they don't teach how to think in philosophy courses in france
[2013-01-26 16:28:05] <lpf> ladyxzeus, that argument doesn't work when you see objectivity and subjectivity as shades of gray.
[2013-01-26 16:28:49] <ladyxzeus> your objectivity will always be based on what YOU know and what YOU feel
[2013-01-26 16:29:09] <ladyxzeus> because you don't know everything
[2013-01-26 16:29:17] <ladyxzeus> and are different from everybody else
[2013-01-26 16:29:28] <ladyxzeus> if the world was objective we would not have opinions and everyone would be the same
[2013-01-26 16:29:54] <lpf> no- because there are many different opinions doesn't mean they all are equally valid or subjective.
[2013-01-26 16:30:13] <ladyxzeus> so you're implying there are opinions more valid than others
[2013-01-26 16:30:20] <lpf> naturally.
[2013-01-26 16:30:21] <ladyxzeus> and that is inherently and morally wrong
[2013-01-26 16:30:32] <lpf> no, i don't believe this.
[2013-01-26 16:30:44] <ladyxzeus> when we are evaluating something that can be proved through a scientifical method
[2013-01-26 16:30:49] <lpf> let me give you a fine example.
[2013-01-26 16:30:51] <ladyxzeus> which is the case of art in general
[2013-01-26 16:31:02] <ladyxzeus> there will always be opinions
[2013-01-26 16:31:31] <ladyxzeus> and none is better than the other, because they all depend on who views it
[2013-01-26 16:31:35] <lpf> if a person says clannad is bad because 'it is a poor introduction to van dine's detective fiction', his opinion is more subjective than many because it is biased by specific expectations that stem from his mindset, not the anime's first episode.
[2013-01-26 16:31:58] <ladyxzeus> but it's valid
[2013-01-26 16:32:07] <lpf> it's only valid for the person themselves.
[2013-01-26 16:32:15] <ladyxzeus> does not matter, it's valid
[2013-01-26 16:32:31] <ladyxzeus> if there was a quantitative method to evaluate art
[2013-01-26 16:32:34] <ladyxzeus> things could be unvalid
[2013-01-26 16:32:35] <lpf> no, stop thinking black and white.
[2013-01-26 16:32:36] <ladyxzeus> since there's not
[2013-01-26 16:32:38] <ladyxzeus> everything counts
[2013-01-26 16:32:43] <lpf> it's valid, but less than other opinions.
[2013-01-26 16:32:44] <ladyxzeus> i'm not thinking black and white
[2013-01-26 16:32:49] <ladyxzeus> i'm thinking PINK
[2013-01-26 16:33:08] <ladyxzeus> validity is not quantitative.....
[2013-01-26 16:33:11] <lpf> you dismiss everything as equally subjective and valid because there is no 100% objectivity.
[2013-01-26 16:33:25] <ladyxzeus> validity is not 50 shades of grade
[2013-01-26 16:33:28] <ladyxzeus> it's valid or not valid
[2013-01-26 16:33:38] <ladyxzeus> *gry
[2013-01-26 16:33:40] <lpf> that's not PINK thinking.
[2013-01-26 16:33:41] <ladyxzeus> *grey xD
[2013-01-26 16:33:46] <lpf> that's black and white
[2013-01-26 16:33:54] <ladyxzeus> no, really, what i'm saying is how science works
[2013-01-26 16:33:57] <ladyxzeus> when you validate a study
[2013-01-26 16:34:01] <ladyxzeus> the result is valid or not valid
[2013-01-26 16:34:05] <ladyxzeus> not "somewhat valid"
[2013-01-26 16:34:16] <ladyxzeus> or "valid but less valid than the other"
[2013-01-26 16:34:48] <lpf> if you can't live with this without paralleling it with hard science, replace valid by legitimate.
[2013-01-26 16:35:08] <ladyxzeus> it's the same
[2013-01-26 16:35:24] <lpf> well, fine.
[2013-01-26 16:35:34] <ladyxzeus> there are not "maybe it's legitimate depending on how we look at it"
[2013-01-26 16:35:38] <ladyxzeus> it's quantitative
[2013-01-26 16:36:16] <lpf> i don't have anything to add so stick to your opinion if i did not provide enough support in your view.