Bundy and the Green River Killer (2019)

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Hey, let me get those.

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It's okay.

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No, it's cool, I got it.

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Thanks.

5
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Yeah, thank you.

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So, uh, you girls
at the University?

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Yeah.

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Most of the people in here are.

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You're kinda outta the
usual age range, no?

10
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Yeah, well, uh,
I'm not a student.

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You don't say?

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I did go to university,

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in Washington, in the late '60s.

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Washington? What are
you doing out here?

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Traveling.

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So, uh, you girls in a sorority?

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Yeah.

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Which one?

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Why do you wanna know?

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Just making conversation.

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We're in Chi Omega.

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Nice.

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Listen, we were
just heading home.

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We were?

25
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Uh, it was nice to meet you.

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You girls won't stick around?

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I'm buying.

28
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No, that's fine.

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Thanks again.

30
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Margaret?

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Lisa?

32
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So, what have we got?

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Female.

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I'd say she's about 16 or 17.

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Christ.

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Ligature marks
around the throat,

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no defensive wounds
on the hands,

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maybe she was taken by surprise.

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Perhaps approached from behind.

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She's been in the
water for a while.

41
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Hey.

42
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Hey, honey.

43
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Oh.

44
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Tough day, huh?

45
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You could say that.

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Deb home?

47
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Yeah, she's upstairs.

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Tell her dinner will
be ready in half hour.

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Yeah?

50
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Hey, Dad.

51
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Hey, how was school today?

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Ah, you know, the usual.

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A main course of
government propaganda

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with a side of condescension.

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You don't say things like
that to your teachers, do you?

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No.

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I toe the line like a good girl.

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Thank you.

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You okay, Dad?

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Um, yeah, yeah, I'm fine.

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Your mother said dinner
will be ready in half hour.

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Cool, thanks.

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Mm, that's nice.

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It's so good.

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Water?

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- Mm.
- Did you make this

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from the box again?

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- How did you know?
- 'Cause it's really good.

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Cheeky.

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And it's better than
your other one.

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- Don't be so cheeky.
- Better than my other one?

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Mm-hmm.

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I don't know.

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So...

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Mm-hmm?

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What's happened today?

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Well, you've got a funny
story about Mrs. Appleby,

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don't you?

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I think she stole the
other neighbor's baby.

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What?

81
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Yeah, 'cause I heard crying
coming from her house.

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Maybe it was her granddaughter.

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Hello?

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It's Tom, sorry
to bother you at home,

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but you need to hear this.

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What is it?

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We found three more.

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Three more?

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Bodies.

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In the Green River.

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The ligature marks to the neck

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are consistent with an
approach from behind.

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All the victims share
the same features,

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the ligature marks,

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no defensive wounds
to the hands or arms,

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all had recently had sex.

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Both the missing women
worked as prostitutes.

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They were last seen at the
SeaTac strip, near the airport.

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Looks like we have a
serial killer on our hands.

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This isn't random opportunism.

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If all the victims share
the same profession,

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the killer's
cruising prostitutes.

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These women came
with him willingly.

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He may well be a regular
down on the strip.

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Considering the lack
of defensive marks

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and recent sexual activity,

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the women could've been
killed post-coitus,

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or even mid-coitus.

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Clear signs of
sexual motivation.

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We've had calls from the press.

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This is gonna be big news.

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You wanna handle the briefing?

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Sure.

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Have you
put any surveillance

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on the SeaTac strip?

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No, not at this stage.

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How many officers have you
put onto the task force?

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Um, that number I cannot
tell you right now.

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We'll get back to you on that.

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How much is this
going to cost the taxpayer?

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I can't answer that.

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Next.

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Is there any truth to the rumor

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that the police are not
taking this seriously

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because it involves prostitutes?

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No, there
is no truth in that.

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Anyone else?

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Well, do you have any suspects?

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No, no, no.

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Are we done?

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Thank you for coming.

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Thank you.

133
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Yeah.

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Detective Richards?

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Yes.

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I'm Bob Keller,

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I work with the FBI
Behavioral Science Unit.

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Come in.

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So, what brings
you to Green River?

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I saw the press conference.

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I thought maybe I could help.

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You gonna help me improve
my public relations skills?

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You know what we do at the
Behavioral Science Unit,

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Detective Richards?

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I'm vaguely familiar.

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Call me David.

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Okay, David.

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We develop and provide
programs of training,

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research, and consultation

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in the behavioral
and social sciences

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for the FBI and law
enforcement community.

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If you don't catch
this killer quick,

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dealing with the press
isn't gonna get any easier.

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Well, I've set up a task force,

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led by myself and
Detective Tom Johnson.

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We've had confirmation
all of the victims

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frequented an area
known for prostitution.

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It's likely the killer is
a regular visitor there,

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so we're staking it out, as
well as the Green River itself.

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But it may make it easier to
identify the killer's habits

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if we formed a
psychological profile.

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And that's something
I can help you with.

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Sure.

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Have you ever had
any direct experience

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with a serial killer,

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beyond just consulting
on the case files?

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I have.

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Back in '74, I was a rookie
detective in King County.

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Two girls disappeared from
Lake Sammamish State Park

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and several of us were assigned

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to assist the Issaquah Police.

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I became part of a task force.

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We identified Ted Bundy

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as the main suspect
in the murders.

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You came face to face with him?

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Yeah,

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I sat in on one of
his first interviews

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after he was arrested.

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What was he like?

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On the surface, very
articulate, always polite.

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In many ways, he reminded
me of a politician.

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Smart appearance

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and he knew how to dance
around the tough questions

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and divert the conversation
towards his own agenda.

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But you saw through it?

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I realized I had a nose
for this kind of thing.

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I knew the moment he sat
down in that interview room,

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he was wearing a mask of sanity.

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I saw the truth
behind those eyes.

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He's on death row now, right?

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Yeah.

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Actually, I've interviewed him
several times

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since he was convicted.

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There are lots of murders
he hasn't confessed to

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and bodies which
we never recovered.

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I think he will only
give up the information

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if he can get
something out of it,

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like a reprieve from execution.

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Ironically, for a man who dealt
out so much death to others,

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he fears dying.

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So, what are your
thoughts on this one, Bob?

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Can you help us build a profile?

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I'd say so.

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Obviously, the first
determination

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is that these murders

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were very likely the
work of one person.

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The same modus operandi
was employed in each death,

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and body clusters often suggest

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that one individual
is responsible.

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He has familiarity
with the Green River

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and surrounding area.

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This suggests a local man.

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He was likely raised in a
family with marital discord

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and physically and
emotionally abused.

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Possibly even strict religious
or puritanical morals

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imposed by one or both parents.

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I'd say he's currently between
his mid-20s and mid-30s.

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Given that all
the victims so far

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have worked in prostitution,

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we can assume that the killer

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has frequented the red light
district for sexual encounters

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which didn't always
end in murder.

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However, there will
likely be self-loathing

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as a result of these encounters,

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and it may trigger his
deep-seated hatred of women.

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Murderers who strangle often
speak of an intimate connection

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they feel with the
victim as they die.

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It's twisted to you and I,

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but this man may feel
at his most alive

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when he's causing death.

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That's why I know
he'll strike again.

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Every day, he deals with
the scars of childhood,

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poor relationships, and a
generally unremarkable life.

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That buzz he gets from killing,

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he'll seek it out at every
opportunity available to him.

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Strangulation,
same as the others.

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How old is she?

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I'd say she's in her 30s.

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They've all varied in age.

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It's clear that isn't a
factor when selecting victims.

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I bet this one
works the strip too.

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She's been posed
very deliberately.

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There's fish and a wine
bottle entwined with her body.

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They weren't placed by accident.

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He didn't do that with
any of the other victims.

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Could be some kind
of religious motive?

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That ties in with the
strict religious parents

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you mentioned in
the briefing, Bob.

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Could be,

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could also be game-playing.

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How do you mean?

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He watches the news
like everybody else,

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he could be sending us a message

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or having a personal
joke on our expense.

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She was stripped
naked like the others,

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but they found her dress

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just a few yards
down the riverbank.

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We bagged it and took it in.

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No sign of any
other items so far.

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Is he getting sloppy?

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Maybe.

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Or, like I said,
he's taunting us.

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Catch me if you
can, so to speak.

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Do you
have any suspects?

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Out of the way, please.

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Have you
made any arrests?

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No comment.

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Nothing to say at this stage.

269
00:19:48,655 --> 00:19:50,021
How many
more are gonna die?

270
00:19:50,023 --> 00:19:50,888
Out of the way, please.

271
00:19:50,890 --> 00:19:51,622
Excuse me.

272
00:19:51,624 --> 00:19:52,223
Excuse me.

273
00:19:57,330 --> 00:19:59,797
In Seattle,
another grim discovery today

274
00:19:59,799 --> 00:20:03,301
that could be connected to the
string of Green River murders

275
00:20:03,303 --> 00:20:05,570
that have shaken
that West Coast city.

276
00:20:05,572 --> 00:20:08,573
Explorer scouts today
found a fourth skull

277
00:20:08,575 --> 00:20:10,541
off in a wooded
area outside of town

278
00:20:10,543 --> 00:20:13,878
where three other skeletons
were discovered this weekend.

279
00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,782
Most of the victims have
been young prostitutes.

280
00:20:17,850 --> 00:20:21,052
So, Sandra, how did
you and Dave meet?

281
00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:23,854
We actually went to
the same high school,

282
00:20:23,856 --> 00:20:25,690
but we didn't really meet there.

283
00:20:25,692 --> 00:20:29,126
I used to see her in the
stands at the football games.

284
00:20:29,128 --> 00:20:30,328
I found it quite distracting,

285
00:20:30,330 --> 00:20:33,397
pretty sure I missed a few
catches because of her.

286
00:20:33,399 --> 00:20:35,199
Yeah, right.

287
00:20:35,201 --> 00:20:39,737
Anyway, um, I worked after
school at the local library,

288
00:20:39,739 --> 00:20:41,939
my mom worked there for
years, so she got me a job.

289
00:20:41,941 --> 00:20:43,708
It was just around the
corner from my house,

290
00:20:43,710 --> 00:20:47,745
so I'd go in every day after
school,

291
00:20:47,747 --> 00:20:48,946
check out some books.

292
00:20:48,948 --> 00:20:52,717
I'd find pretty much any
excuse to talk to her.

293
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,153
About... after two months,

294
00:20:56,155 --> 00:20:59,757
Dave had this huge
stack of overdue books.

295
00:20:59,759 --> 00:21:02,727
I liked talking to him, so
I didn't wanna remind him,

296
00:21:02,729 --> 00:21:05,896
and, um, then he
realized on his own

297
00:21:05,898 --> 00:21:08,766
and brought in this
big stack of books.

298
00:21:08,768 --> 00:21:11,102
And I told him I would
get rid of the fees

299
00:21:11,104 --> 00:21:14,305
if he took me out to
dinner, which he did,

300
00:21:14,307 --> 00:21:16,207
and here we are.

301
00:21:16,676 --> 00:21:18,109
What a great story.

302
00:21:18,578 --> 00:21:20,011
Are you married, Bob?

303
00:21:20,413 --> 00:21:21,646
I was...

304
00:21:22,115 --> 00:21:23,447
to Kathleen.

305
00:21:24,350 --> 00:21:27,818
She died a year ago, cancer.

306
00:21:27,820 --> 00:21:31,055
Oh, god, I'm so sorry.

307
00:21:40,500 --> 00:21:41,632
Hey, Deb?

308
00:21:43,303 --> 00:21:44,969
What was that about?

309
00:21:44,971 --> 00:21:45,836
I don't know.

310
00:21:45,838 --> 00:21:47,772
Do you want me to
go talk to her?

311
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:48,906
No,

312
00:21:48,908 --> 00:21:49,940
no,

313
00:21:49,942 --> 00:21:51,142
I'll go.

314
00:21:51,644 --> 00:21:53,144
Excuse me.

315
00:21:58,985 --> 00:22:00,184
What?

316
00:22:02,088 --> 00:22:03,387
You okay?

317
00:22:03,389 --> 00:22:05,156
Not really.

318
00:22:05,558 --> 00:22:07,858
Have I done something wrong?

319
00:22:11,531 --> 00:22:16,600
I'm sorry, it's just, I
was at a party earlier,

320
00:22:16,602 --> 00:22:19,337
some guys started saying things.

321
00:22:19,639 --> 00:22:21,205
About what?

322
00:22:22,942 --> 00:22:24,075
You.

323
00:22:24,577 --> 00:22:26,410
What did they say?

324
00:22:28,915 --> 00:22:30,414
They said everyone in town

325
00:22:30,416 --> 00:22:32,783
knows you're
messing up the case.

326
00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:35,052
Some of them said
that their parents

327
00:22:35,054 --> 00:22:38,889
watch you on the news
and call you names.

328
00:22:39,058 --> 00:22:40,858
What kinda names?

329
00:22:40,860 --> 00:22:44,195
They say you
don't have any balls,

330
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:50,234
and that you're too weak
to catch the killer.

331
00:22:55,108 --> 00:22:57,408
I'm sorry you had to hear that.

332
00:22:58,478 --> 00:22:59,677
I know it's not your fault,

333
00:22:59,679 --> 00:23:02,346
I'm sorry for getting
mad, it's just--

334
00:23:02,348 --> 00:23:06,317
You have every
right to be annoyed.

335
00:23:06,753 --> 00:23:10,354
It's my job, you
didn't ask for this.

336
00:23:11,824 --> 00:23:14,925
It's not just your job
though, is it, Dad?

337
00:23:16,596 --> 00:23:18,429
What do you mean?

338
00:23:18,865 --> 00:23:19,930
It's your life.

339
00:23:19,932 --> 00:23:22,566
You and your mother are my life.

340
00:23:22,568 --> 00:23:23,667
But we have to share you

341
00:23:23,669 --> 00:23:27,571
with all of the criminals in
this little part of the world.

342
00:23:27,974 --> 00:23:30,508
They get more of
your time than we do.

343
00:23:30,510 --> 00:23:35,346
I'm sorry, Deb, I'll try to
make more time for us.

344
00:23:37,216 --> 00:23:38,449
Okay.

345
00:23:39,352 --> 00:23:40,618
Okay.

346
00:23:52,565 --> 00:23:54,498
He's been
called the Green River Killer

347
00:23:54,500 --> 00:23:57,401
ever since the first
bodies, five of them,

348
00:23:57,403 --> 00:23:58,702
were pulled from this river.

349
00:23:58,704 --> 00:24:02,339
You know, this issue with the
press isn't gonna go away.

350
00:24:02,341 --> 00:24:04,375
I didn't have any
new information,

351
00:24:04,377 --> 00:24:07,311
there was no point
talking to them.

352
00:24:07,513 --> 00:24:09,580
But we did get
something new today.

353
00:24:09,582 --> 00:24:10,915
Nothing to leak
to the press yet,

354
00:24:10,917 --> 00:24:13,217
but it could change how
you deal with the media.

355
00:24:13,219 --> 00:24:16,520
The posing of the body
with the wine and the fish?

356
00:24:16,522 --> 00:24:17,321
Yeah.

357
00:24:17,323 --> 00:24:19,657
That wasn't part of
his modus operandi

358
00:24:19,659 --> 00:24:21,125
with previous victims.

359
00:24:21,127 --> 00:24:23,494
That was his way of
engaging with us,

360
00:24:23,496 --> 00:24:25,262
or, more to the point, you.

361
00:24:25,264 --> 00:24:28,466
It's like he's saying, "This
is my banquet, Detective."

362
00:24:28,468 --> 00:24:32,570
You really think he sat at
home watching the news reports?

363
00:24:32,572 --> 00:24:33,437
Of course.

364
00:24:33,439 --> 00:24:36,507
Narcissism is one of the
symptoms of psychopathy,

365
00:24:36,509 --> 00:24:37,975
that's the dichotomy.

366
00:24:37,977 --> 00:24:39,877
Damaged self-esteem
on the one hand,

367
00:24:39,879 --> 00:24:44,648
but also a grandiose sense of
self-importance on the other.

368
00:24:44,650 --> 00:24:46,350
In the killer's head,

369
00:24:46,486 --> 00:24:49,587
this murder spree may
be the ultimate game.

370
00:24:49,589 --> 00:24:51,155
Now you're his main opponent.

371
00:24:51,157 --> 00:24:54,592
Sun Tzu, the Chinese general
who wrote "The Art of War",

372
00:24:54,594 --> 00:24:58,863
he said, "If you're
far from your enemy,

373
00:24:59,065 --> 00:25:01,565
"make him believe you're near."

374
00:25:04,437 --> 00:25:06,437
Just something to keep in mind.

375
00:25:16,349 --> 00:25:19,583
As you know, we've
discovered another body.

376
00:25:19,585 --> 00:25:22,753
I won't be taking
any questions today,

377
00:25:22,755 --> 00:25:25,022
I just came to say one thing.

378
00:25:25,124 --> 00:25:28,192
I wanna talk directly
to the killer.

379
00:25:33,799 --> 00:25:35,799
I know you're out there,

380
00:25:36,469 --> 00:25:38,202
watching this,

381
00:25:38,638 --> 00:25:41,572
I don't need profilers
and psychiatrists

382
00:25:41,574 --> 00:25:45,676
to tell me you're a
sick son of a bitch.

383
00:25:45,678 --> 00:25:47,311
You're not even a man,

384
00:25:47,313 --> 00:25:50,548
I doubt you have the
equipment for it.

385
00:25:50,850 --> 00:25:52,449
You're a demented pervert

386
00:25:52,451 --> 00:25:54,418
who doesn't deserve to
breathe the same air

387
00:25:54,420 --> 00:25:58,222
as the people you have
so callously murdered.

388
00:25:59,058 --> 00:26:01,959
You are gutless, pathetic,

389
00:26:01,961 --> 00:26:03,060
and when your luck runs out,

390
00:26:03,062 --> 00:26:05,396
and make no mistake, it will,

391
00:26:05,398 --> 00:26:07,298
I'll be right there
to take you down,

392
00:26:07,300 --> 00:26:09,700
you got that, you
piece of?

393
00:26:09,702 --> 00:26:12,570
That's a promise from me to you.

394
00:26:14,941 --> 00:26:15,739
Thank you.

395
00:26:19,679 --> 00:26:20,544
Hey, slugger.

396
00:26:20,546 --> 00:26:21,712
How was school today?

397
00:26:21,714 --> 00:26:22,947
Good.

398
00:26:23,215 --> 00:26:24,281
He made you this.

399
00:26:24,283 --> 00:26:26,050
...Began in
the summer of 1982,

400
00:26:26,052 --> 00:26:27,651
and since then, an
army of detectives

401
00:26:27,653 --> 00:26:29,853
and a multimillion-dollar
computer system

402
00:26:29,855 --> 00:26:31,922
have been unable to
track the killer.

403
00:26:31,924 --> 00:26:32,823
Thank you.

404
00:26:32,825 --> 00:26:34,558
It is a familiar routine,

405
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,393
for the Green River Task
Force sifting through

406
00:26:36,395 --> 00:26:37,995
any remaining
evidence on the site

407
00:26:37,997 --> 00:26:41,865
where someone had stumbled
across human remains.

408
00:27:00,686 --> 00:27:02,853
Your office forwarded this.

409
00:27:04,857 --> 00:27:06,924
You haven't been demoted
to mailman already,

410
00:27:06,926 --> 00:27:07,891
have you, Tom?

411
00:27:07,893 --> 00:27:09,593
If we don't
catch this prick soon,

412
00:27:09,595 --> 00:27:10,995
maybe I will be.

413
00:27:24,543 --> 00:27:26,510
Oh my god.

414
00:27:29,849 --> 00:27:31,215
Dearest Bob.

415
00:27:31,217 --> 00:27:33,984
It has been the better
part of two years

416
00:27:33,986 --> 00:27:35,552
since we've corresponded,

417
00:27:35,554 --> 00:27:38,622
and I must admit,
I've missed it.

418
00:27:38,624 --> 00:27:40,190
I've followed,
with great interest,

419
00:27:40,192 --> 00:27:43,727
the case of "The Riverman",
and see from the news reports

420
00:27:43,729 --> 00:27:47,364
that you are advising
the task force.

421
00:27:47,366 --> 00:27:49,400
I recently saw a press
conference

422
00:27:49,402 --> 00:27:51,135
with Detective Richards.

423
00:27:51,137 --> 00:27:54,271
Not the usual police
officer, is he?

424
00:27:54,273 --> 00:27:57,775
He seems to be taking
it quite personally.

425
00:27:58,077 --> 00:27:59,176
As you know,

426
00:27:59,178 --> 00:28:04,348
I have some experience in The
Riverman's field of expertise.

427
00:28:04,350 --> 00:28:06,884
I believe I can help you.

428
00:28:07,086 --> 00:28:08,585
If you have the
time to visit me,

429
00:28:08,587 --> 00:28:12,389
along with Detective
Richards, please do.

430
00:28:12,725 --> 00:28:15,325
Time for me is running out,

431
00:28:15,327 --> 00:28:18,996
I would like to make
use of what remains.

432
00:28:18,998 --> 00:28:24,601
Kind regards, your old
friend, Theodore Bundy.

433
00:28:26,906 --> 00:28:29,373
David, your thoughts?

434
00:28:29,375 --> 00:28:32,242
Well, the key question is,

435
00:28:32,244 --> 00:28:34,845
could he actually help
the investigation,

436
00:28:34,847 --> 00:28:38,549
or would he be leading
us on some circle jerk

437
00:28:38,551 --> 00:28:40,417
for his own amusement?

438
00:28:40,753 --> 00:28:43,387
He has an agenda,
he always does.

439
00:28:43,389 --> 00:28:46,156
What's his agenda
here? To buy time?

440
00:28:46,158 --> 00:28:47,257
Yeah, I'd say so.

441
00:28:47,259 --> 00:28:50,961
Like he says in his letter,
time is running out for him.

442
00:28:50,963 --> 00:28:52,563
He'll do everything he can

443
00:28:52,565 --> 00:28:54,264
to court favor with
the authorities

444
00:28:54,266 --> 00:28:56,800
and get a reprieve
from execution.

445
00:28:58,204 --> 00:29:02,673
What's it like coming face to
face with someone like that?

446
00:29:02,675 --> 00:29:05,843
Maybe you need to
find out for yourself.

447
00:29:05,845 --> 00:29:06,844
At some point,

448
00:29:06,846 --> 00:29:09,012
you're gonna be face to face
with the Green River Killer.

449
00:29:09,014 --> 00:29:10,948
After you meet Ted Bundy,

450
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:14,017
evil will no longer
be a mystery to you.

451
00:29:22,695 --> 00:29:23,894
What?

452
00:29:23,996 --> 00:29:27,131
Two days talking to
a madman in Florida?

453
00:29:27,133 --> 00:29:29,967
Don't you have enough
to deal with right now?

454
00:29:30,269 --> 00:29:32,336
It might be a complete
waste of time,

455
00:29:32,338 --> 00:29:36,673
or it could help with the
investigation, who knows,

456
00:29:36,675 --> 00:29:39,910
but we have no suspects yet,

457
00:29:39,912 --> 00:29:42,613
I have to try everything I can.

458
00:29:45,251 --> 00:29:48,051
I just worry about
you, that's all.

459
00:29:48,654 --> 00:29:50,320
It'll be fine.

460
00:29:51,457 --> 00:29:52,689
Come here.

461
00:30:06,071 --> 00:30:07,871
Where are you going?

462
00:30:08,007 --> 00:30:09,506
I've got a few errands to run.

463
00:30:09,508 --> 00:30:13,143
Well, you know you're
looking after Adam tonight.

464
00:30:14,313 --> 00:30:15,846
How come?

465
00:30:18,250 --> 00:30:22,986
I've got a dinner with
Amy and the girls.

466
00:30:25,491 --> 00:30:28,859
It's her birthday, I told
you about this weeks ago.

467
00:30:32,598 --> 00:30:34,364
What's the matter?

468
00:30:37,102 --> 00:30:39,236
What's the matter?

469
00:30:42,141 --> 00:30:44,341
I've got something
important to do.

470
00:30:44,343 --> 00:30:46,376
It's been playing
on my mind all week,

471
00:30:46,378 --> 00:30:49,446
I need to take
care of it tonight.

472
00:30:49,548 --> 00:30:53,283
Come on, Gary, I
had my plans first.

473
00:30:53,285 --> 00:30:54,351
If you have to leave the house,

474
00:30:54,353 --> 00:30:56,687
can't you take Adam with you?

475
00:31:08,434 --> 00:31:10,067
I guess so.

476
00:31:11,070 --> 00:31:12,369
Thank you.

477
00:31:14,573 --> 00:31:16,773
I'll be home around 11.

478
00:31:17,910 --> 00:31:19,142
Alright.

479
00:31:57,182 --> 00:31:58,849
Dad, where are we going?

480
00:31:58,851 --> 00:32:03,453
I gotta pick up a friend of
mine, drop her off somewhere.

481
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:39,556
Hello, Bob.

482
00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:41,992
Ted.

483
00:32:57,242 --> 00:32:58,842
Long time no see.

484
00:33:00,045 --> 00:33:01,678
It's been a while.

485
00:33:02,748 --> 00:33:06,717
And this must be the
famous Detective Richards.

486
00:33:19,565 --> 00:33:22,866
As always, Ted, we'll
be recording this.

487
00:33:23,569 --> 00:33:24,935
Of course.

488
00:33:29,375 --> 00:33:33,877
It's the 2nd of September,
approximately 9:30 p.m.,

489
00:33:33,879 --> 00:33:35,912
at Florida State Prison.

490
00:33:35,981 --> 00:33:38,749
This is a tape-recorded
interview with Bob Keller,

491
00:33:38,751 --> 00:33:41,451
David Richards, and Ted Bundy.

492
00:33:42,354 --> 00:33:45,789
So, Ted, would
you like to begin?

493
00:33:46,091 --> 00:33:47,758
Well, this is just

494
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:52,029
sort of a spontaneous
dialogue we're having here.

495
00:33:52,031 --> 00:33:55,999
I'm not approaching it
in any organized fashion.

496
00:33:56,168 --> 00:34:00,003
I don't even know if I can
be of any real assistance.

497
00:34:00,005 --> 00:34:01,972
You're the detectives after all.

498
00:34:01,974 --> 00:34:05,242
We'd value any
insights you may have.

499
00:34:06,545 --> 00:34:08,645
Well, did you bring a
copy of the case file?

500
00:34:08,647 --> 00:34:12,449
Um, I'm not sure it would
be ethical to give you--

501
00:34:12,451 --> 00:34:13,984
It's fine.

502
00:34:45,317 --> 00:34:48,952
The Riverman enjoys easy prey.

503
00:34:49,388 --> 00:34:50,554
The victims?

504
00:34:50,556 --> 00:34:51,354
Yes.

505
00:34:51,356 --> 00:34:54,224
Prostitutes are low risk.

506
00:34:54,226 --> 00:34:55,826
Not many people would miss them.

507
00:34:55,828 --> 00:34:59,496
Who would you consider
to be high-risk prey?

508
00:34:59,932 --> 00:35:02,265
Well, people who
work normal jobs,

509
00:35:02,267 --> 00:35:05,335
have families, social circles,

510
00:35:05,337 --> 00:35:07,537
people who are noticed.

511
00:35:09,041 --> 00:35:09,973
You know,

512
00:35:09,975 --> 00:35:11,942
with all the slasher movies
being made at the moment,

513
00:35:11,944 --> 00:35:15,612
you should stake out the car
parks of the movie theaters.

514
00:35:15,614 --> 00:35:19,382
I am sure you'd find many
serial killers of the future,

515
00:35:19,384 --> 00:35:23,487
people who go to those films
to fuel their fantasies.

516
00:35:23,722 --> 00:35:26,723
When I was a kid, I just
had the detective magazines.

517
00:35:26,725 --> 00:35:28,024
I don't think staking out

518
00:35:28,026 --> 00:35:30,594
thousands of movie
theaters is practical,

519
00:35:30,596 --> 00:35:32,195
given the limited
numbers of police

520
00:35:32,197 --> 00:35:34,364
we can assign to the case.

521
00:35:34,666 --> 00:35:35,565
Perhaps not.

522
00:35:35,567 --> 00:35:38,168
But you could stake
out his old dump sites.

523
00:35:38,170 --> 00:35:40,837
You mean where he
left the bodies?

524
00:35:40,839 --> 00:35:42,005
Yes.

525
00:35:42,007 --> 00:35:43,306
He'll return to them.

526
00:35:43,308 --> 00:35:46,042
He's going back to
check out the scene

527
00:35:46,044 --> 00:35:48,078
and see the
condition of the body

528
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:49,446
after it's been
there for a while,

529
00:35:49,448 --> 00:35:54,784
for, uh, well, whatever kick
he might get out of that.

530
00:35:54,786 --> 00:35:56,153
Necrophilia?

531
00:35:56,321 --> 00:35:57,888
Look, what he's
doing is not normal,

532
00:35:57,890 --> 00:36:01,024
so you can't apply
normal standards to it.

533
00:36:01,026 --> 00:36:04,895
He might just drive by, see if
the scene is being disturbed,

534
00:36:04,897 --> 00:36:07,597
if the body has been discovered.

535
00:36:07,766 --> 00:36:09,166
Well, if it hasn't,

536
00:36:09,168 --> 00:36:12,335
well, he might wanna
take it all in again.

537
00:36:16,241 --> 00:36:20,544
Would he go back to a site
after we've discovered it?

538
00:36:20,679 --> 00:36:21,478
Oh, no.

539
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,347
At that point, he wouldn't
touch it with a 10-mile pole.

540
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:28,018
Why do you think
guys like him kill?

541
00:36:29,054 --> 00:36:33,089
Well, there's a certain
aspect of possessiveness

542
00:36:33,091 --> 00:36:34,891
in serial killing.

543
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,960
I think that's one
way of describing it,

544
00:36:36,962 --> 00:36:38,195
well, in rather bland terms,

545
00:36:38,197 --> 00:36:40,931
but a possessiveness
where the corpse

546
00:36:40,933 --> 00:36:44,834
might easily be as important
as the live victim,

547
00:36:44,836 --> 00:36:47,137
in some respects.

548
00:36:47,139 --> 00:36:49,639
What I mean is,
a possessiveness,

549
00:36:49,641 --> 00:36:53,176
an ownership, a
taking, if you will,

550
00:36:53,178 --> 00:36:55,745
and that's part of the syndrome.

551
00:36:55,747 --> 00:36:57,447
And I think that's one
of the reasons why,

552
00:36:57,449 --> 00:36:59,749
in some cases, not
all, certainly,

553
00:36:59,751 --> 00:37:03,486
but he might be intending
to return to the scene,

554
00:37:03,488 --> 00:37:06,723
interact with the
body in some way.

555
00:37:08,994 --> 00:37:11,027
According to the time of death,

556
00:37:11,029 --> 00:37:14,130
all these murders
happened on a weekday.

557
00:37:14,132 --> 00:37:15,198
What does that tell you?

558
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,968
Well, he obviously prefers
to troll on a weekday.

559
00:37:17,970 --> 00:37:21,071
He might have other
commitments of the weekend,

560
00:37:21,073 --> 00:37:23,406
people he's close to, perhaps.

561
00:37:23,408 --> 00:37:24,874
You think he has family?

562
00:37:24,876 --> 00:37:26,443
Oh, possibly.

563
00:37:28,113 --> 00:37:30,747
What'd you mean by "troll"?

564
00:37:30,949 --> 00:37:33,750
Well, it's what he does.

565
00:37:33,752 --> 00:37:35,285
Watching,

566
00:37:35,721 --> 00:37:36,786
waiting,

567
00:37:36,788 --> 00:37:38,655
selecting.

568
00:37:39,024 --> 00:37:41,358
He knows his hunting ground.

569
00:37:41,893 --> 00:37:42,792
Hey, Julie.

570
00:37:42,794 --> 00:37:44,394
Hey.

571
00:37:44,396 --> 00:37:45,328
This is my son.

572
00:37:45,330 --> 00:37:48,198
You remember, I showed you
a picture of him before.

573
00:37:49,001 --> 00:37:51,201
Oh, sure, yeah.

574
00:37:51,570 --> 00:37:54,337
So, what's the deal here?

575
00:37:54,339 --> 00:37:56,172
You want the kid to watch?

576
00:37:56,174 --> 00:37:57,907
'Cause I'm in to that.

577
00:37:58,076 --> 00:37:58,842
No.

578
00:37:58,844 --> 00:38:00,977
I didn't plan on
bringing him along,

579
00:38:00,979 --> 00:38:03,346
but his mother had to go out.

580
00:38:03,949 --> 00:38:05,815
I figured we'd go to the woods

581
00:38:05,817 --> 00:38:07,751
and he could wait in the car.

582
00:38:07,753 --> 00:38:09,152
I'll be quick.

583
00:38:09,521 --> 00:38:11,888
Sure, I remember.

584
00:38:13,625 --> 00:38:14,824
Get in.

585
00:38:14,893 --> 00:38:17,093
He targets his prey.

586
00:38:17,095 --> 00:38:20,263
He plans what he wants
to do in his mind,

587
00:38:20,265 --> 00:38:22,966
down to the smallest detail.

588
00:38:23,101 --> 00:38:24,234
By the time he closes in,

589
00:38:24,236 --> 00:38:27,537
it's almost like it's
already happened.

590
00:38:40,485 --> 00:38:41,851
Okay,

591
00:38:42,654 --> 00:38:44,521
this is far enough.

592
00:38:46,258 --> 00:38:47,857
You got the money?

593
00:38:57,035 --> 00:39:00,337
So, how do you wanna do this?

594
00:39:01,506 --> 00:39:05,241
That tree over
there, bend over it.

595
00:39:16,188 --> 00:39:19,989
He's played it out in
his mind so many times.

596
00:39:19,991 --> 00:39:21,658
But when the time is right,

597
00:39:21,660 --> 00:39:23,326
and he swoops on his chosen one,

598
00:39:23,328 --> 00:39:27,464
well, then it's like
the spider and the fly.

599
00:39:27,466 --> 00:39:30,734
Fantasy finally becomes reality.

600
00:39:30,736 --> 00:39:32,902
And speaking of fantasy,

601
00:39:32,904 --> 00:39:35,004
well, that's what normality is.

602
00:39:35,006 --> 00:39:37,273
What's normal for the spider,

603
00:39:37,275 --> 00:39:41,277
well, it can seem
like chaos to the fly.

604
00:40:48,914 --> 00:40:51,214
Did she get home okay?

605
00:40:53,018 --> 00:40:54,417
Yeah.

606
00:41:03,662 --> 00:41:06,029
Can you go there, Detective?

607
00:41:08,233 --> 00:41:09,032
Where?

608
00:41:09,034 --> 00:41:13,503
Inside his mind,
think like he thinks.

609
00:41:13,505 --> 00:41:15,538
I'm not sure I can.

610
00:41:16,274 --> 00:41:17,640
Oh, you can.

611
00:41:17,742 --> 00:41:22,912
We all have that coldblooded,
primal instinct within us.

612
00:41:23,048 --> 00:41:26,349
Whether you wanna
touch upon your own is...

613
00:41:26,585 --> 00:41:28,918
well, that's another story.

614
00:42:59,044 --> 00:42:59,909
Hello?

615
00:42:59,911 --> 00:43:01,945
Dave, it's Tom.

616
00:43:01,947 --> 00:43:02,979
What is it?

617
00:43:02,981 --> 00:43:04,681
We've found another body.

618
00:43:05,584 --> 00:43:06,783
Shit.

619
00:43:06,985 --> 00:43:09,552
I thought we had our guys
staking out the Green River?

620
00:43:09,554 --> 00:43:10,920
We didn't find it there,

621
00:43:10,922 --> 00:43:14,123
this one was found in a
woodland near Long Avenue.

622
00:43:14,125 --> 00:43:16,526
Definitely him though, same M.O.

623
00:43:16,528 --> 00:43:18,661
You tell the press yet?

624
00:43:18,663 --> 00:43:19,596
No.

625
00:43:19,598 --> 00:43:21,264
I've only just ordered the
forensics team down there.

626
00:43:21,266 --> 00:43:22,231
Call it off.

627
00:43:22,233 --> 00:43:24,534
- What do you mean?
- Tell the team to back off,

628
00:43:24,536 --> 00:43:27,170
leave the site just
as it was found.

629
00:43:27,172 --> 00:43:28,605
Don't tell the press,

630
00:43:28,607 --> 00:43:30,773
don't tell anyone
in the department

631
00:43:30,775 --> 00:43:31,908
who doesn't already know.

632
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:35,545
Leave the body exactly
where it was found, Tom.

633
00:43:35,814 --> 00:43:37,146
Why?

634
00:43:37,148 --> 00:43:38,781
Bundy said the
killer will return

635
00:43:38,783 --> 00:43:41,017
to where he dumped the bodies.

636
00:43:41,019 --> 00:43:42,185
If you leave this body there

637
00:43:42,187 --> 00:43:43,820
and he doesn't see
anything on the news,

638
00:43:43,822 --> 00:43:46,322
he might think it's not
been discovered yet.

639
00:43:46,324 --> 00:43:48,658
Then he'll go back.

640
00:43:48,660 --> 00:43:51,094
That's when we'll be
staking out those woods.

641
00:43:51,096 --> 00:43:53,696
Okay, I'll go
myself with Kavanagh.

642
00:43:53,698 --> 00:43:55,465
No, no, I'll go with you,

643
00:43:55,467 --> 00:43:57,667
I'm heading to the
airport right now.

644
00:43:57,669 --> 00:44:00,670
I'll be back in a
few hours, yeah?

645
00:44:00,672 --> 00:44:01,804
Got it.

646
00:44:01,806 --> 00:44:03,006
Bye.

647
00:44:23,495 --> 00:44:25,395
Flying solo today, Bob?

648
00:44:25,397 --> 00:44:29,732
Detective Richards had to
travel back to the Green River.

649
00:44:29,734 --> 00:44:32,435
Have they found another body?

650
00:44:37,342 --> 00:44:42,111
Well, I hope the information
I gave yesterday was helpful.

651
00:44:42,113 --> 00:44:43,079
It was.

652
00:44:43,081 --> 00:44:45,415
And since you're
in a helpful mood,

653
00:44:45,417 --> 00:44:49,185
I thought today we could
discuss a different subject.

654
00:44:49,187 --> 00:44:50,953
What's that?

655
00:44:50,955 --> 00:44:52,588
You know, Ted,

656
00:44:52,657 --> 00:44:55,558
there are still five cases
we're concerned about,

657
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,629
missing girls,
Washington and Utah.

658
00:45:00,932 --> 00:45:02,298
Okay.

659
00:45:02,300 --> 00:45:06,469
Well, maybe we can
talk about that.

660
00:45:06,938 --> 00:45:08,638
I guess it depends.

661
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:09,405
On what?

662
00:45:09,407 --> 00:45:12,375
Did you speak to the
attorney general?

663
00:45:12,811 --> 00:45:14,210
I spoke to him last night.

664
00:45:14,212 --> 00:45:17,914
I told him you'd been
receptive to our questioning.

665
00:45:17,916 --> 00:45:19,549
But truth be told, Ted,

666
00:45:19,551 --> 00:45:21,951
he knows there are a lot
of families out there

667
00:45:21,953 --> 00:45:23,886
that need closure.

668
00:45:23,955 --> 00:45:26,322
But before we get down to that,

669
00:45:26,324 --> 00:45:29,659
has the attorney general
discussed in firm terms

670
00:45:29,661 --> 00:45:35,164
what the outcome of these
conversations could be for me?

671
00:45:35,333 --> 00:45:38,334
He said any information
you can provide

672
00:45:38,336 --> 00:45:40,503
which can give the
families closure

673
00:45:40,505 --> 00:45:43,139
will be given the
greatest consideration

674
00:45:43,141 --> 00:45:44,340
when discussions take place

675
00:45:44,342 --> 00:45:47,744
about the implementation
of the death penalty.

676
00:45:48,313 --> 00:45:50,179
Okay.

677
00:45:50,181 --> 00:45:51,447
Good.

678
00:45:52,016 --> 00:45:54,650
Well, I'm sure you know, Bob,

679
00:45:54,652 --> 00:45:57,754
it all began in
Washington state.

680
00:45:58,156 --> 00:45:59,288
That's where I was living,

681
00:45:59,290 --> 00:46:02,492
where I grew up as a
kid and a young man,

682
00:46:02,494 --> 00:46:04,260
where those kinds of impulses

683
00:46:04,262 --> 00:46:09,398
which ultimately led to the
violent behavior were born.

684
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:10,600
Yeah.

685
00:46:12,036 --> 00:46:15,304
This is where I'm
a little, um...

686
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,307
The presence of the
officer down here,

687
00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:21,344
well, it's a little unnerving.

688
00:46:21,346 --> 00:46:24,514
Some of this stuff I don't
mind talking about because,

689
00:46:24,516 --> 00:46:27,683
well, he wouldn't know
it from Adam, but,

690
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,219
well, I can write it down,

691
00:46:30,221 --> 00:46:33,823
or whisper it to you, whatever.

692
00:46:36,294 --> 00:46:37,560
Okay.

693
00:46:55,346 --> 00:46:57,380
Can you hear that?

694
00:46:59,184 --> 00:47:00,783
Yeah, I can hear it.

695
00:47:00,919 --> 00:47:06,022
I just wrote down the
name Joanne Dawkins.

696
00:47:07,225 --> 00:47:08,424
So...

697
00:47:09,260 --> 00:47:13,262
the Dawkins girl's
head was severed

698
00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:19,035
and taken up the road
about 25-50 yards

699
00:47:19,037 --> 00:47:21,804
and then buried in a location

700
00:47:21,806 --> 00:47:24,740
about 10 yards west of the road

701
00:47:24,742 --> 00:47:29,011
on a rocky hillside
in Washington.

702
00:47:32,550 --> 00:47:34,350
Did you hear that?

703
00:47:35,019 --> 00:47:36,285
Yeah.

704
00:47:39,023 --> 00:47:42,992
Lord knows what the little
creatures up there did to it,

705
00:47:42,994 --> 00:47:45,895
what those animals
would have done.

706
00:47:45,964 --> 00:47:48,531
Well, I can draw you a map
to where you can find it,

707
00:47:48,533 --> 00:47:49,398
if you like.

708
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,001
Thank you, that
would be helpful.

709
00:47:52,003 --> 00:47:55,872
But first, how did
you encounter her?

710
00:47:56,007 --> 00:47:59,408
Oh, I was making my
way up an alleyway,

711
00:47:59,410 --> 00:48:03,246
with my briefcase,
using crutches,

712
00:48:03,548 --> 00:48:06,749
and a young woman
was walking down.

713
00:48:07,085 --> 00:48:10,253
I saw her walk around the
north end of the block

714
00:48:10,255 --> 00:48:12,421
and into the alleyway.

715
00:48:12,891 --> 00:48:13,923
She stopped for a moment

716
00:48:13,925 --> 00:48:17,493
and then kept on
walking down toward me.

717
00:48:17,929 --> 00:48:18,961
About halfway,

718
00:48:18,963 --> 00:48:20,763
I encountered her

719
00:48:20,832 --> 00:48:23,933
and asked if she'd help
carry my briefcase,

720
00:48:23,935 --> 00:48:25,401
which she did,

721
00:48:25,403 --> 00:48:29,071
and we went back
up the alleyway.

722
00:48:29,307 --> 00:48:31,540
Across the street,
we turned right,

723
00:48:31,542 --> 00:48:36,579
on the sidewalk outside the
old fraternity house there.

724
00:48:36,581 --> 00:48:38,481
We rounded the
corner on the left

725
00:48:38,483 --> 00:48:41,050
and headed north on 47.

726
00:48:41,052 --> 00:48:42,418
About halfway up the block,

727
00:48:42,420 --> 00:48:44,420
there used to be
this old parking lot,

728
00:48:44,422 --> 00:48:49,125
which they'd made out of the
burned-out buildings there.

729
00:48:49,627 --> 00:48:52,094
So what happened when
you rounded the corner?

730
00:48:52,096 --> 00:48:54,463
Oh, we went into
the parking lot.

731
00:48:54,465 --> 00:48:55,598
When we reached my car,

732
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,801
I knocked her unconscious
with a crowbar.

733
00:48:58,803 --> 00:49:00,336
Where'd you have that stashed?

734
00:49:00,338 --> 00:49:03,806
Hidden behind the
rear wheel of the car.

735
00:49:04,342 --> 00:49:05,474
Did she see it?

736
00:49:05,476 --> 00:49:06,442
No.

737
00:49:06,444 --> 00:49:10,513
There were some handcuffs
along with the crowbar.

738
00:49:10,515 --> 00:49:15,051
I handcuffed her, put her in
the passenger side of the car,

739
00:49:15,653 --> 00:49:17,153
and drove away.

740
00:49:40,378 --> 00:49:41,844
Dave.

741
00:49:43,281 --> 00:49:44,981
Over there.

742
00:49:51,489 --> 00:49:52,989
Wait.

743
00:49:57,395 --> 00:49:58,561
Wait.

744
00:50:04,535 --> 00:50:05,835
Let's go.

745
00:50:07,405 --> 00:50:08,904
Don't fucking move!

746
00:51:25,450 --> 00:51:26,782
Put the fucking gun down now!

747
00:51:26,784 --> 00:51:29,418
Now put your hands on
your head and back away!

748
00:51:30,354 --> 00:51:35,991
Freeze!

749
00:51:35,993 --> 00:51:39,562
Society wants to
believe it can identify

750
00:51:39,564 --> 00:51:43,432
bad or harmful individuals,

751
00:51:44,001 --> 00:51:45,968
but it's not practical.

752
00:51:45,970 --> 00:51:49,472
The truth is, people who
indulge in this sort of thing,

753
00:51:49,474 --> 00:51:53,976
well, they look just
like everyone else.

754
00:51:53,978 --> 00:51:57,446
Their subconscious might
be a raging inferno,

755
00:51:57,448 --> 00:52:02,118
but you'd never tell,
they blend in so well.

756
00:52:02,787 --> 00:52:06,188
This is what it
comes down to, Bob,

757
00:52:06,357 --> 00:52:09,191
we serial killers,

758
00:52:09,460 --> 00:52:11,894
we're your sons,

759
00:52:11,896 --> 00:52:14,063
your husbands,

760
00:52:14,565 --> 00:52:16,465
we're everywhere,

761
00:52:17,335 --> 00:52:23,572
and there will be more of
your children dead tomorrow.

762
00:52:27,178 --> 00:52:29,545
All of
us on this earth

763
00:52:29,547 --> 00:52:32,381
know that there
is a time to live

764
00:52:32,383 --> 00:52:34,650
and that there is a time to die,

765
00:52:34,652 --> 00:52:39,288
yet death is always a
shock to those left behind.

766
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,161
Jesus, Dad, you scared me.

767
00:52:45,163 --> 00:52:48,063
I didn't realize
anyone else was up.

768
00:52:48,065 --> 00:52:49,398
Sorry.

769
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,333
Struggling to sleep?

770
00:52:52,069 --> 00:52:52,868
Yeah.

771
00:52:52,870 --> 00:52:54,703
I have a big test
at school tomorrow,

772
00:52:54,705 --> 00:52:57,773
and no matter how
hard I hit the books,

773
00:52:57,775 --> 00:52:59,909
I just, I don't feel prepared.

774
00:52:59,911 --> 00:53:03,012
You'll do great, you always do.

775
00:53:14,625 --> 00:53:16,792
Hey, take a seat,

776
00:53:17,562 --> 00:53:19,128
watch some TV.

777
00:53:24,902 --> 00:53:26,135
The funeral over,

778
00:53:26,137 --> 00:53:29,405
the saddened group
left the graveside.

779
00:53:39,717 --> 00:53:43,953
Deb, you know I
love you, don't you?

780
00:53:44,021 --> 00:53:47,923
Sure, Dad, I
know, I love you too.

781
00:53:47,925 --> 00:53:51,060
I'm very proud of you,
you know that, right?

782
00:53:51,062 --> 00:53:53,829
You got some
whiskey in that cup?

783
00:53:54,098 --> 00:53:56,265
No, it's just tea.

784
00:53:56,701 --> 00:53:59,768
Then what's with all
the declarations?

785
00:54:02,106 --> 00:54:04,740
I just want you to know
how much you mean to me,

786
00:54:04,742 --> 00:54:06,075
that's all.

787
00:54:07,945 --> 00:54:09,578
You're sweet, Dad.

788
00:54:10,681 --> 00:54:13,249
But I better get back to bed,

789
00:54:13,317 --> 00:54:15,150
see if I can get some sleep.

790
00:54:15,152 --> 00:54:16,919
Okay, sweetheart.

791
00:54:16,921 --> 00:54:17,686
Goodnight.

792
00:54:17,688 --> 00:54:20,189
Goodnight.

793
00:54:33,104 --> 00:54:35,271
Where were you on June 17th?

794
00:54:36,974 --> 00:54:39,775
I had to take my
truck to the shop.

795
00:54:40,645 --> 00:54:44,113
Have you ever cruised
the SeaTac strip?

796
00:54:44,115 --> 00:54:47,149
I'm, I'm not familiar
with that place.

797
00:54:47,551 --> 00:54:49,918
His name is Gary
Ridgway.

798
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:51,720
He was picked up for
attempting to solicit

799
00:54:51,722 --> 00:54:56,892
an undercover police officer
posing as a prostitute in May.

800
00:54:56,894 --> 00:54:59,361
Tom got a hunch
and ran his record.

801
00:54:59,363 --> 00:55:02,931
He was accused of choking
a prostitute in 1980,

802
00:55:02,933 --> 00:55:04,466
near the SeaTac strip.

803
00:55:04,468 --> 00:55:06,635
At the time, he
pleaded self-defense,

804
00:55:06,637 --> 00:55:10,839
after claiming the woman bit
him, and he got released.

805
00:55:10,841 --> 00:55:14,009
One of our officers stopped and
questioned Ridgway last year

806
00:55:14,011 --> 00:55:17,546
while he was in his
truck with a prostitute.

807
00:55:18,015 --> 00:55:19,281
They also approached this guy

808
00:55:19,283 --> 00:55:23,352
in connection with the
kidnapping of Marie Olsen.

809
00:55:23,554 --> 00:55:24,553
Ridgway was questioned,

810
00:55:24,555 --> 00:55:27,056
but not enough evidence
to make an arrest.

811
00:55:27,058 --> 00:55:30,259
Has anyone questioned the
sex workers on the strip?

812
00:55:30,261 --> 00:55:32,161
Several prostitutes saw a man

813
00:55:32,163 --> 00:55:33,429
matching Ridgway's description

814
00:55:33,431 --> 00:55:36,799
regularly cruising the
strip in the past two years.

815
00:55:36,801 --> 00:55:41,337
Now he works at that
factory down in Bellevue,

816
00:55:41,339 --> 00:55:42,404
painting trucks,

817
00:55:42,406 --> 00:55:44,573
so he would pass that
strip almost daily

818
00:55:44,575 --> 00:55:46,575
on his way to and from work.

819
00:55:46,577 --> 00:55:48,243
Sarah Edgar.

820
00:55:48,846 --> 00:55:51,280
I've never heard of her.

821
00:55:51,649 --> 00:55:53,115
So what's your next move?

822
00:55:53,117 --> 00:55:56,018
I think we should get him
to take a polygraph test.

823
00:55:56,020 --> 00:55:59,855
You know those things can't
be considered 100% accurate.

824
00:55:59,857 --> 00:56:00,789
Yeah, I know,

825
00:56:00,791 --> 00:56:03,292
but I need something
more than circumstantial

826
00:56:03,294 --> 00:56:04,660
if I'm gonna convince the chief

827
00:56:04,662 --> 00:56:07,162
there's a case to be made here.

828
00:56:07,231 --> 00:56:09,698
Do you think he's the killer?

829
00:56:10,401 --> 00:56:13,869
Something in my
gut tells me he is.

830
00:56:14,772 --> 00:56:17,239
Then do what you have to do.

831
00:56:24,548 --> 00:56:27,483
Is your name
Gary Leon Ridgway?

832
00:56:27,918 --> 00:56:29,251
Yes.

833
00:56:31,222 --> 00:56:34,790
Have you ever
cruised the SeaTac strip?

834
00:56:34,792 --> 00:56:36,058
No.

835
00:56:36,127 --> 00:56:39,428
Have you ever
hired a prostitute?

836
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:40,896
No.

837
00:56:46,103 --> 00:56:49,071
Did you know Julie Kakova?

838
00:56:49,273 --> 00:56:50,406
No.

839
00:56:54,745 --> 00:56:56,912
Did you kill her?

840
00:56:57,348 --> 00:56:58,514
No.

841
00:57:05,923 --> 00:57:06,855
He passed.

842
00:57:06,857 --> 00:57:08,924
He fucking passed.

843
00:57:09,794 --> 00:57:10,859
Ridgway?

844
00:57:10,861 --> 00:57:11,994
Yeah.

845
00:57:13,197 --> 00:57:15,063
You know we got nothing
on this guy now.

846
00:57:15,065 --> 00:57:18,634
We executed a search warrant
on his home, turned up nothing.

847
00:57:18,636 --> 00:57:20,936
The forensics team
test this guy?

848
00:57:20,938 --> 00:57:22,237
They took everything from him,

849
00:57:22,239 --> 00:57:24,573
saliva, piss, the whole shebang.

850
00:57:24,575 --> 00:57:25,674
There's nothing conclusive

851
00:57:25,676 --> 00:57:27,409
to link him to any
of the crime scenes.

852
00:57:27,411 --> 00:57:28,644
Shit.

853
00:57:30,514 --> 00:57:32,314
We gotta let him go.

854
00:58:37,314 --> 00:58:40,315
46
bodies found since 1982.

855
00:58:40,317 --> 00:58:41,650
There have been
several suspects,

856
00:58:41,652 --> 00:58:44,653
but a case can't be
made against any of 'em.

857
00:58:44,655 --> 00:58:48,557
$15 million of
public funds spent.

858
00:58:48,626 --> 00:58:52,761
As of today, the Green River
Task Force will be dismantled.

859
00:58:52,763 --> 00:58:56,298
We simply can't continue
spending this kinda money

860
00:58:56,300 --> 00:58:57,699
and allocating
this much manpower

861
00:58:57,701 --> 00:59:01,470
to an investigation which
has yielded no results.

862
00:59:01,572 --> 00:59:06,141
I know you were expecting
this, and I hope you accept it.

863
00:59:06,677 --> 00:59:08,043
It's over, Dave.

864
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,480
Respectfully, sir,

865
00:59:12,883 --> 00:59:14,950
it'll never be over.

866
00:59:17,855 --> 00:59:20,055
A sad
and ugly chapter

867
00:59:20,057 --> 00:59:21,390
will end tomorrow morning

868
00:59:21,392 --> 00:59:24,192
as notorious serial
killer Ted Bundy

869
00:59:24,194 --> 00:59:27,529
is set to die in
Florida's electric chair.

870
00:59:27,531 --> 00:59:29,264
Officially, Bundy's
execution will be for

871
00:59:29,266 --> 00:59:33,302
the kidnap and murder of
12-year-old Caroline Keach,

872
00:59:33,304 --> 00:59:38,106
but he was also found guilty
of two additional 1978 slayings

873
00:59:38,108 --> 00:59:42,678
and is suspected in
20-40 other homicides,

874
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:43,812
at least 23 of which

875
00:59:43,814 --> 00:59:45,514
he has confessed to law
enforcement officials

876
00:59:45,516 --> 00:59:48,350
in the past few years.
Faced with execution

877
00:59:48,352 --> 00:59:51,086
after nearly a decade
of court appeals,

878
00:59:51,088 --> 00:59:54,823
Bundy has attempted to
trade confessions for time

879
00:59:54,825 --> 00:59:55,891
to give lawmen details

880
00:59:55,893 --> 00:59:57,426
of all of the murders.

881
00:59:57,428 --> 01:00:00,562
The Florida governor refused
to make such a trade.

882
01:00:00,564 --> 01:00:05,100
Bundy is scheduled to
be executed at 7:00 a.m.

883
01:00:11,442 --> 01:00:13,208
Bob.

884
01:00:13,877 --> 01:00:15,043
Ted.

885
01:00:16,313 --> 01:00:18,981
You know, I could still
provide information.

886
01:00:18,983 --> 01:00:22,784
I've remembered things that
might help the families.

887
01:00:22,786 --> 01:00:24,653
I know you're hoping
for a phone call,

888
01:00:24,655 --> 01:00:27,990
but I don't think it'll come.

889
01:00:28,892 --> 01:00:32,561
Many feel justice is
being served tomorrow.

890
01:00:33,864 --> 01:00:35,230
What about you, Bob?

891
01:00:35,232 --> 01:00:38,634
Do you think justice
is being served?

892
01:00:39,703 --> 01:00:42,471
I'm not here to
pass judgment, Ted.

893
01:00:43,340 --> 01:00:45,474
Well, then why are you here?

894
01:00:45,542 --> 01:00:48,710
I'm interested in your
thoughts on something.

895
01:00:49,947 --> 01:00:51,480
What's that?

896
01:00:53,517 --> 01:00:55,651
Why'd you go down this road?

897
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:58,186
Well, everyone asks that.

898
01:00:58,188 --> 01:01:02,424
Yeah, but you never really
answered it before, have you?

899
01:01:03,594 --> 01:01:05,193
What's the point?

900
01:01:06,630 --> 01:01:09,531
Help people understand perhaps.

901
01:01:09,667 --> 01:01:12,768
Maybe I can give you
a little insight too.

902
01:01:12,770 --> 01:01:13,769
Maybe the truth is

903
01:01:13,771 --> 01:01:17,673
I don't have an answer
to your question.

904
01:01:19,109 --> 01:01:20,308
Whenever I'm interviewed,

905
01:01:20,310 --> 01:01:24,413
people always ask, do I feel
guilt for what I've done?

906
01:01:25,449 --> 01:01:26,581
Guilt...

907
01:01:28,152 --> 01:01:29,751
it's an illusion,

908
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:33,321
a mechanism of social control.

909
01:01:33,323 --> 01:01:37,726
It's very unhealthy, does
terrible things to the body.

910
01:01:38,896 --> 01:01:41,229
What about when you
were young, Ted?

911
01:01:41,231 --> 01:01:44,066
What was your emotional
state of mind?

912
01:01:44,702 --> 01:01:45,967
Confusion.

913
01:01:46,437 --> 01:01:51,073
I could never understand what
made people want to be friends,

914
01:01:51,075 --> 01:01:54,543
or what made people
attracted to one another,

915
01:01:54,545 --> 01:01:59,948
or what underlays
social interactions.

916
01:02:00,617 --> 01:02:02,584
I'd watch people

917
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:05,754
and see them feel,

918
01:02:07,491 --> 01:02:11,426
but, I don't know, I
could never be like them.

919
01:02:11,428 --> 01:02:16,231
Do you remember the first
time you felt the urges?

920
01:02:16,967 --> 01:02:18,967
I certainly fantasized.

921
01:02:18,969 --> 01:02:22,904
Well, as a young
boy of 12 or 13,

922
01:02:22,906 --> 01:02:26,141
I'd encountered
soft-core pornography,

923
01:02:26,143 --> 01:02:31,413
outside the home, local
drug or grocery stores.

924
01:02:31,749 --> 01:02:32,748
Young boys,

925
01:02:32,750 --> 01:02:37,686
they explore the sideways and
byways of their neighborhood.

926
01:02:37,788 --> 01:02:41,823
And in our neighborhood, people
would dump their garbage,

927
01:02:41,825 --> 01:02:43,325
and from time to time,

928
01:02:43,327 --> 01:02:45,427
we'd come across books

929
01:02:45,429 --> 01:02:49,531
of a more graphic nature,

930
01:02:49,533 --> 01:02:52,968
detective magazines and so on.

931
01:02:53,303 --> 01:02:54,936
Well, I wanna emphasize this,

932
01:02:54,938 --> 01:02:58,340
the most damaging
kind of pornography,

933
01:02:58,342 --> 01:03:01,243
I'm talking from real
personal experience here,

934
01:03:01,245 --> 01:03:07,649
is the kind which involves
violence and sexual violence.

935
01:03:07,885 --> 01:03:10,118
The wedding of those two forces,

936
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:13,355
as I know only too well,

937
01:03:13,357 --> 01:03:14,556
well, it brings about behavior

938
01:03:14,558 --> 01:03:17,826
that is too terrible
to describe.

939
01:03:18,095 --> 01:03:20,829
When did fantasy
become a reality?

940
01:03:22,166 --> 01:03:23,031
As a teen,

941
01:03:23,033 --> 01:03:25,967
I was dealing with
very strong inhibitions

942
01:03:25,969 --> 01:03:29,237
against violent and
criminal behavior

943
01:03:29,239 --> 01:03:31,206
that had been conditioned

944
01:03:31,208 --> 01:03:34,209
and bred into me
by my environment,

945
01:03:34,211 --> 01:03:38,814
the neighborhood,
schools, church.

946
01:03:39,283 --> 01:03:43,518
It's a very difficult
thing to describe,

947
01:03:43,687 --> 01:03:46,521
the sensation of
reaching a point

948
01:03:46,523 --> 01:03:52,327
where I knew I couldn't
control it anymore.

949
01:03:52,529 --> 01:03:56,565
The barriers I had
learned as a child

950
01:03:56,567 --> 01:03:58,433
were not enough to hold me back

951
01:03:58,435 --> 01:04:02,871
from seeking out and
harming somebody.

952
01:04:04,007 --> 01:04:08,577
How did you feel the first
time you committed a murder?

953
01:04:08,812 --> 01:04:14,282
Even all these years later,
it's difficult to talk about.

954
01:04:14,284 --> 01:04:16,384
Reliving it through talking is,

955
01:04:16,386 --> 01:04:17,786
well, difficult,
to say the least,

956
01:04:17,788 --> 01:04:21,790
but I want you to
understand what happened.

957
01:04:23,026 --> 01:04:27,028
It was like coming out of some

958
01:04:27,965 --> 01:04:32,100
horrible trance or dream.

959
01:04:32,469 --> 01:04:35,103
I can only liken it
to being possessed

960
01:04:35,105 --> 01:04:39,107
by something so awful and alien,

961
01:04:39,109 --> 01:04:40,242
and then the next morning,

962
01:04:40,244 --> 01:04:41,810
waking up and remembering
what happened,

963
01:04:41,812 --> 01:04:45,580
and realizing that, well,
in the eyes of the law,

964
01:04:45,582 --> 01:04:48,216
and certainly in
the eyes of God,

965
01:04:48,218 --> 01:04:50,485
you're responsible.

966
01:04:51,088 --> 01:04:55,156
Possession is an
interesting word.

967
01:04:55,158 --> 01:04:59,327
What I did, it was like
possessing them, physically,

968
01:04:59,329 --> 01:05:03,798
as one might possess
a potted plant,

969
01:05:04,501 --> 01:05:06,268
or a painting,

970
01:05:06,570 --> 01:05:08,470
or a horse,

971
01:05:08,472 --> 01:05:12,774
owning, as it were, this person,

972
01:05:12,976 --> 01:05:18,413
and then taking
ownership of the remains.

973
01:05:19,116 --> 01:05:21,950
But when I'd wake
up in the morning

974
01:05:22,686 --> 01:05:25,787
and realize what I'd
done with a clear mind,

975
01:05:25,789 --> 01:05:31,960
with all my essential ethical
and moral feelings intact,

976
01:05:32,763 --> 01:05:35,997
well, it absolutely
horrified me.

977
01:05:37,467 --> 01:05:40,669
The feelings of pleasure
derived from what you did

978
01:05:40,671 --> 01:05:43,872
clearly outweighed any
feelings of being horrified,

979
01:05:43,874 --> 01:05:46,474
because you repeated it so much.

980
01:05:48,011 --> 01:05:48,877
Maybe so.

981
01:05:48,879 --> 01:05:51,746
Also, when you compare
people to possessions,

982
01:05:51,748 --> 01:05:56,284
well, I think it's hard to
believe that you felt anything,

983
01:05:56,286 --> 01:05:57,686
certainly if in your mind,

984
01:05:57,688 --> 01:06:00,956
people are no different
to material things.

985
01:06:03,961 --> 01:06:05,927
What's your point, Bob?

986
01:06:06,196 --> 01:06:08,229
I've spoken to your family,

987
01:06:08,231 --> 01:06:09,364
quite in depth, actually,

988
01:06:09,366 --> 01:06:11,666
and they were very candid.

989
01:06:11,735 --> 01:06:12,968
I don't know if you know this,

990
01:06:12,970 --> 01:06:15,570
but your aunt has a very
interesting memory of you

991
01:06:15,572 --> 01:06:17,939
from when you were
three years old.

992
01:06:17,941 --> 01:06:19,207
And what's that?

993
01:06:19,209 --> 01:06:22,444
She recalled waking
up from a nap one day

994
01:06:22,446 --> 01:06:23,678
at your grandparents' house

995
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:27,749
to find herself surrounded
by knives from the kitchen.

996
01:06:27,751 --> 01:06:32,954
You were stood by your
aunt's bed, smiling.

997
01:06:32,956 --> 01:06:35,357
Well, I can't
say I remember that, Bob,

998
01:06:35,359 --> 01:06:38,293
so I'll have to take
her word for it.

999
01:06:38,295 --> 01:06:41,529
If it's true, it's very
telling, don't you think?

1000
01:06:41,531 --> 01:06:42,530
How so?

1001
01:06:42,532 --> 01:06:44,899
Well, in my line of work,

1002
01:06:44,901 --> 01:06:45,800
I'm always asked

1003
01:06:45,802 --> 01:06:49,037
"is serial killing down
to nature or nurture?"

1004
01:06:49,272 --> 01:06:50,438
That incident with your aunt

1005
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:52,607
would suggest it's
down to nature,

1006
01:06:52,609 --> 01:06:55,810
that you were born with
a darkness inside of you.

1007
01:06:55,812 --> 01:06:57,545
But the thing is this,

1008
01:06:57,547 --> 01:06:59,514
there are many people out there

1009
01:06:59,516 --> 01:07:02,217
who are born with
darkness inside of them,

1010
01:07:02,219 --> 01:07:04,719
there are many people
who suffer violence

1011
01:07:04,721 --> 01:07:07,655
or have terrible things
happen to them as kids,

1012
01:07:07,657 --> 01:07:11,159
but they don't all grow
up to be serial killers.

1013
01:07:11,228 --> 01:07:15,030
Is this going somewhere, Bob?

1014
01:07:15,799 --> 01:07:19,267
It's like the parable
of the two wolves.

1015
01:07:19,269 --> 01:07:21,236
And what's that?

1016
01:07:21,238 --> 01:07:23,138
A father is talking to his son,

1017
01:07:23,140 --> 01:07:27,242
and he says there are
two wolves inside of us,

1018
01:07:27,244 --> 01:07:28,810
always at battle.

1019
01:07:28,812 --> 01:07:32,280
The good wolf represents
things like kindness,

1020
01:07:32,282 --> 01:07:33,415
bravery, and love.

1021
01:07:33,417 --> 01:07:38,553
The bad wolf represents things
like greed, hatred, and fear.

1022
01:07:38,555 --> 01:07:41,823
The son stops and thinks
about it for a second,

1023
01:07:41,825 --> 01:07:44,959
and then looks at
his father and says,

1024
01:07:44,961 --> 01:07:46,728
"Which one wins?"

1025
01:07:46,730 --> 01:07:52,834
And the father quietly
replies, "The one we feed."

1026
01:07:56,006 --> 01:08:00,241
And I guess you think I
fed the bad wolf, right?

1027
01:08:00,477 --> 01:08:01,476
Yeah.

1028
01:08:01,478 --> 01:08:02,577
Is it nature or nurture?

1029
01:08:02,579 --> 01:08:05,814
A little of both for sure,
but the bottom line is this,

1030
01:08:05,816 --> 01:08:10,151
we all have a choice about
the person we become.

1031
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:13,354
We create our own reality.

1032
01:08:17,694 --> 01:08:21,362
Ted Bundy, the
notorious serial killer,

1033
01:08:21,364 --> 01:08:23,398
died today in the electric chair

1034
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:26,534
after a night of
weeping and praying.

1035
01:08:51,261 --> 01:08:53,361
Let me do that.

1036
01:08:54,831 --> 01:08:55,997
So,

1037
01:08:56,166 --> 01:09:00,001
your first press conference
as the new chief.

1038
01:09:00,937 --> 01:09:01,836
You nervous?

1039
01:09:01,838 --> 01:09:04,405
Almost 20 years of
dealing with the press,

1040
01:09:04,407 --> 01:09:06,174
you get used to it.

1041
01:09:06,443 --> 01:09:07,475
I'm proud of you.

1042
01:09:07,477 --> 01:09:10,145
You deserve this, and
you've worked hard for it.

1043
01:09:10,147 --> 01:09:11,779
I couldn't have
done it without you.

1044
01:09:11,781 --> 01:09:15,550
Mm, behind every great
man is a great woman.

1045
01:09:15,552 --> 01:09:17,485
I know it's a cliche,

1046
01:09:17,487 --> 01:09:19,154
but it's true.

1047
01:09:20,524 --> 01:09:21,956
We're a team.

1048
01:09:21,958 --> 01:09:25,326
This isn't just my
achievement, it's ours.

1049
01:09:26,062 --> 01:09:28,196
Can I confess something?

1050
01:09:28,798 --> 01:09:29,998
Yeah.

1051
01:09:31,535 --> 01:09:33,001
I'm relieved.

1052
01:09:33,003 --> 01:09:33,768
You are?

1053
01:09:33,770 --> 01:09:36,638
Mm-hmm, a desk job gets
you off the streets,

1054
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,541
which means I'm gonna
sleep better at night

1055
01:09:39,543 --> 01:09:42,043
knowing you'll be safe.

1056
01:09:47,217 --> 01:09:48,650
What's wrong?

1057
01:09:48,652 --> 01:09:50,084
Nothing.

1058
01:09:51,121 --> 01:09:51,986
There you go.

1059
01:09:51,988 --> 01:09:53,388
Thanks, honey.

1060
01:10:13,777 --> 01:10:17,478
You've faced much
criticism over the years

1061
01:10:17,480 --> 01:10:22,283
for your failure to apprehend
the Green River Killer,

1062
01:10:22,285 --> 01:10:26,921
how do you think the
victims' families might feel

1063
01:10:26,923 --> 01:10:31,159
watching your career go
from strength to strength

1064
01:10:31,161 --> 01:10:34,329
while the person who
murdered their daughters

1065
01:10:34,331 --> 01:10:36,164
is still at large?

1066
01:10:36,766 --> 01:10:37,999
Yes,

1067
01:10:38,001 --> 01:10:42,770
I've spent almost two
decades haunted by this.

1068
01:10:42,906 --> 01:10:46,074
My career has progressed, yes,

1069
01:10:46,243 --> 01:10:49,010
but it hasn't stopped
the nightmares.

1070
01:10:49,012 --> 01:10:55,416
My arrest and conviction rate
is the highest on the force,

1071
01:10:55,752 --> 01:10:57,285
but there is not a day goes by

1072
01:10:57,287 --> 01:11:01,789
when I don't think about
the one that got away

1073
01:11:02,459 --> 01:11:04,993
and all the pain he caused.

1074
01:11:07,764 --> 01:11:09,831
Which is why today,

1075
01:11:10,300 --> 01:11:11,933
I am announcing

1076
01:11:11,935 --> 01:11:15,069
that I will be reforming
the Green River Task Force.

1077
01:11:17,507 --> 01:11:20,174
Considerable resources
will be diverted

1078
01:11:20,176 --> 01:11:21,643
to resuming the investigation,

1079
01:11:21,645 --> 01:11:24,912
and I will be personally
overseeing it.

1080
01:11:24,914 --> 01:11:28,983
I want the victims'
families to know one thing,

1081
01:11:29,052 --> 01:11:33,521
I will not rest until the
killer is behind bars.

1082
01:11:47,604 --> 01:11:49,537
You saw the conference on TV?

1083
01:11:49,539 --> 01:11:50,672
I did.

1084
01:11:50,774 --> 01:11:53,574
I know you wanted
me to play it safe

1085
01:11:53,576 --> 01:11:54,976
and stay behind a desk,

1086
01:11:54,978 --> 01:11:59,180
but I just can't
let this one go.

1087
01:11:59,683 --> 01:12:05,620
You gave years to this,
I saw what it did to you,

1088
01:12:05,622 --> 01:12:06,554
I'm worried.

1089
01:12:06,556 --> 01:12:08,156
I just gotta get back out there

1090
01:12:08,158 --> 01:12:09,857
and nail that son of a bitch.

1091
01:12:09,859 --> 01:12:11,059
And you think if you find him,

1092
01:12:11,061 --> 01:12:13,828
you're gonna not
be haunted anymore?

1093
01:12:13,830 --> 01:12:17,932
I don't know, but this
isn't just about me.

1094
01:12:17,934 --> 01:12:21,169
You gave your life
to public service,

1095
01:12:21,171 --> 01:12:24,205
you don't owe anyone anything.

1096
01:12:26,209 --> 01:12:31,879
If we'd have lost Deb, you'd
want justice, wouldn't you?

1097
01:12:31,881 --> 01:12:33,314
Yes, of course,

1098
01:12:33,316 --> 01:12:38,119
but you being a martyr
doesn't do anyone any favors.

1099
01:12:38,121 --> 01:12:41,522
When the case was active,
you were here physically,

1100
01:12:41,524 --> 01:12:43,925
but your mind was miles away.

1101
01:12:43,927 --> 01:12:45,293
Is it a good thing for you

1102
01:12:45,295 --> 01:12:46,961
to fight for other
people's families

1103
01:12:46,963 --> 01:12:48,763
when your own has
to suffer for it?

1104
01:12:48,765 --> 01:12:52,967
You know I love you, but
this is how I was made,

1105
01:12:52,969 --> 01:12:55,269
this is what you married.

1106
01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:58,840
Well, if you've
made up your mind,

1107
01:12:58,842 --> 01:13:03,778
I guess there's nothing
else for me to say.

1108
01:13:07,751 --> 01:13:09,550
Well, do you support me?

1109
01:13:10,687 --> 01:13:12,954
I can't do this without you.

1110
01:13:15,058 --> 01:13:19,093
I'll always be by your
side, you know that.

1111
01:13:19,829 --> 01:13:21,162
And I hope when
you find this guy,

1112
01:13:21,164 --> 01:13:25,833
you get the inner peace
that you're seeking.

1113
01:13:40,450 --> 01:13:42,350
One of the victims,
Marsha Intola,

1114
01:13:42,352 --> 01:13:45,853
the one who was posed with
the fish and the wine...

1115
01:13:45,855 --> 01:13:46,654
Yeah?

1116
01:13:46,656 --> 01:13:49,123
She was stripped
naked like the others,

1117
01:13:49,125 --> 01:13:50,958
but there was a
dress found nearby

1118
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:53,194
which was identified as hers.

1119
01:13:53,196 --> 01:13:55,363
There was a semen sample
taken from the dress.

1120
01:13:55,365 --> 01:13:59,333
We also recovered semen
from several of the victims.

1121
01:13:59,335 --> 01:14:02,236
I know we established
many years back

1122
01:14:02,238 --> 01:14:04,939
that the samples were
all from the same man,

1123
01:14:04,941 --> 01:14:07,408
we just did not
have the technology

1124
01:14:07,410 --> 01:14:09,944
for a more detailed DNA profile.

1125
01:14:09,946 --> 01:14:12,113
So what can we do now?

1126
01:14:12,115 --> 01:14:15,516
Our advances mean that the
sample from the discarded dress

1127
01:14:15,518 --> 01:14:18,219
will stand strong
against the suspects

1128
01:14:18,221 --> 01:14:19,454
we have on our database.

1129
01:14:19,456 --> 01:14:21,889
We should also be
able to get matches

1130
01:14:21,891 --> 01:14:26,394
on the semen samples retrieved
from the other victims.

1131
01:14:27,130 --> 01:14:28,396
Okay.

1132
01:14:28,832 --> 01:14:30,331
Let's get it done.

1133
01:14:44,681 --> 01:14:46,280
These are the results?

1134
01:14:46,549 --> 01:14:47,682
The same guy's DNA matches

1135
01:14:47,684 --> 01:14:50,451
every sample recovered
from the victims.

1136
01:14:50,553 --> 01:14:53,554
I don't even need to open this.

1137
01:14:55,959 --> 01:14:58,459
It's Gary Ridgway, isn't it?

1138
01:15:17,714 --> 01:15:19,514
Let's go get him.

1139
01:15:47,076 --> 01:15:48,776
Put your hands
in the air.

1140
01:15:48,778 --> 01:15:53,281
One false move and I'll put
two in the back of your head.

1141
01:15:53,283 --> 01:15:56,551
Slowly, put your hands
behind your back.

1142
01:16:03,893 --> 01:16:05,626
Gotcha, asshole.

1143
01:16:14,437 --> 01:16:16,070
In the early 1980s,

1144
01:16:16,072 --> 01:16:18,806
the area around the Green
River, south of Seattle,

1145
01:16:18,808 --> 01:16:19,907
was the site of one of

1146
01:16:19,909 --> 01:16:21,475
the most gruesome
serial-killing sprees

1147
01:16:21,477 --> 01:16:22,677
this country has ever seen.

1148
01:16:22,679 --> 01:16:24,712
At least 49 women, police say,

1149
01:16:24,714 --> 01:16:26,380
mostly prostitutes and runaways,

1150
01:16:26,382 --> 01:16:28,783
disappeared or
were found murdered

1151
01:16:28,785 --> 01:16:30,318
along this stretch of water.

1152
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:32,920
Gary Leon Ridgway,
now in custody,

1153
01:16:32,922 --> 01:16:34,288
was a prime suspect back then,

1154
01:16:34,290 --> 01:16:37,792
but police didn't have enough
evidence to make a solid case.

1155
01:16:37,794 --> 01:16:39,727
Now, new technology, police say,

1156
01:16:39,729 --> 01:16:40,962
has linked Ridgway's DNA

1157
01:16:40,964 --> 01:16:42,997
with DNA found on three of
the Green River victims,

1158
01:16:42,999 --> 01:16:47,101
while other evidence, police
say, ties him to a fourth.

1159
01:16:47,103 --> 01:16:48,202
A team of scientists

1160
01:16:48,204 --> 01:16:51,038
spent more than 800
hours on the lab work.

1161
01:16:55,244 --> 01:16:58,846
They got you chained up
pretty good there, don't they?

1162
01:17:00,383 --> 01:17:01,349
Yeah.

1163
01:17:01,351 --> 01:17:02,817
They must be concerned about

1164
01:17:02,819 --> 01:17:06,020
whether or not you're
gonna run off, huh?

1165
01:17:07,757 --> 01:17:08,656
I guess so.

1166
01:17:08,658 --> 01:17:10,858
You wouldn't
do that, would you?

1167
01:17:11,728 --> 01:17:13,194
Not this time.

1168
01:17:20,670 --> 01:17:22,803
Give us a minute, will you, Tom?

1169
01:17:22,805 --> 01:17:24,171
Sure.

1170
01:17:33,016 --> 01:17:36,517
I'm the lead investigator
on this case.

1171
01:17:37,654 --> 01:17:38,452
I know.

1172
01:17:38,454 --> 01:17:40,421
That means you and
I must've stood

1173
01:17:40,423 --> 01:17:42,923
in a lot of the same places.

1174
01:17:43,426 --> 01:17:45,559
I think we stood in every place.

1175
01:17:45,561 --> 01:17:47,762
What do you think about that?

1176
01:17:47,897 --> 01:17:51,532
You were on one side,
I was on the other.

1177
01:17:51,834 --> 01:17:56,671
Where I killed them, you were
the one who recovered them.

1178
01:17:57,540 --> 01:17:58,939
Now,

1179
01:17:58,941 --> 01:18:00,441
finally,

1180
01:18:00,443 --> 01:18:01,676
we meet.

1181
01:18:01,678 --> 01:18:02,910
Yeah.

1182
01:18:04,380 --> 01:18:07,882
I've been working on
this case a long time.

1183
01:18:08,751 --> 01:18:12,586
Looks like I've caused
you a few gray hairs.

1184
01:18:13,423 --> 01:18:18,392
So, Gary, you've been
pretty forthcoming so far,

1185
01:18:18,594 --> 01:18:21,929
but do I know everything
there is to know?

1186
01:18:22,031 --> 01:18:24,532
Yeah, I'm not holding
anything back.

1187
01:18:26,636 --> 01:18:28,069
Can you really
look me in the eye

1188
01:18:28,071 --> 01:18:31,639
and tell me you're not
holding anything back?

1189
01:18:36,612 --> 01:18:39,947
I haven't been, um,

1190
01:18:39,949 --> 01:18:40,848
you know--

1191
01:18:40,850 --> 01:18:44,885
Wait a minute, your eyes
are going back and forth.

1192
01:18:47,423 --> 01:18:48,989
I'm not lying to you.

1193
01:18:48,991 --> 01:18:50,591
Yes, you are.

1194
01:18:51,060 --> 01:18:52,960
The thing is, Gary,

1195
01:18:52,962 --> 01:18:55,596
you and I can be enemies

1196
01:18:56,199 --> 01:18:58,299
or we can be buddies,

1197
01:18:58,668 --> 01:19:00,935
that's your choice.

1198
01:19:00,937 --> 01:19:02,870
If you're gonna
keep lying to me,

1199
01:19:02,872 --> 01:19:04,805
then we'll be enemies.

1200
01:19:05,141 --> 01:19:08,642
So, what you gonna do?

1201
01:19:10,780 --> 01:19:12,713
I don't know what you want.

1202
01:19:12,715 --> 01:19:14,615
The bodies.

1203
01:19:17,787 --> 01:19:20,154
There are more, aren't there?

1204
01:19:24,961 --> 01:19:26,160
Yes.

1205
01:19:27,797 --> 01:19:32,600
So, how are we
gonna work together?

1206
01:19:33,136 --> 01:19:36,036
You want me to tell
you where they are?

1207
01:19:36,038 --> 01:19:37,304
Yes.

1208
01:19:37,707 --> 01:19:40,808
We're gonna find every
last one of them.

1209
01:19:46,649 --> 01:19:47,882
Alright.

1210
01:19:49,552 --> 01:19:52,953
My memory is hazy, but I'll try.

1211
01:19:52,955 --> 01:19:54,221
Yes, you will.

1212
01:20:19,015 --> 01:20:22,616
We should've gotten some
champagne to celebrate.

1213
01:20:22,618 --> 01:20:26,787
That's alright, I'm just happy
to be here with you both.

1214
01:20:26,956 --> 01:20:28,856
How do you feel, Dad?

1215
01:20:28,858 --> 01:20:30,157
Relieved.

1216
01:20:30,393 --> 01:20:34,662
But the hardest part
of it all... memories.

1217
01:20:34,664 --> 01:20:38,833
You'll get some closure now
that you've caught the guy.

1218
01:20:41,070 --> 01:20:45,439
Yeah, Dad, it's finally over.

1219
01:21:41,864 --> 01:21:44,565
Bob, what you doing here?

1220
01:21:44,567 --> 01:21:47,434
Thought I'd pay you a visit
given the recent headlines.

1221
01:21:47,436 --> 01:21:51,105
I stopped by the house,
Sandra said you might be here.

1222
01:21:51,107 --> 01:21:53,007
It's good to see you.

1223
01:21:53,075 --> 01:21:54,508
Been a while, huh?

1224
01:21:54,510 --> 01:21:55,943
Yeah, it has.

1225
01:21:55,945 --> 01:21:58,178
I think congratulations
are in order.

1226
01:21:58,180 --> 01:22:00,114
Oh, it was a team game,

1227
01:22:00,116 --> 01:22:01,582
you were part of that team,

1228
01:22:01,584 --> 01:22:03,817
you should give yourself
a pat on the back.

1229
01:22:03,819 --> 01:22:07,688
I think we can all be thankful
for the advances in DNA.

1230
01:22:07,690 --> 01:22:09,189
True.

1231
01:22:09,191 --> 01:22:11,258
So, what now?

1232
01:22:11,260 --> 01:22:12,726
Time to move on.

1233
01:22:12,929 --> 01:22:17,431
Ridgway's behind bars,
the healing can begin.

1234
01:22:19,468 --> 01:22:24,338
You know, there's one
thing I keep asking myself.

1235
01:22:24,340 --> 01:22:27,408
How do we stop this thing
from happening again?

1236
01:22:27,410 --> 01:22:28,542
There are a multitude of things

1237
01:22:28,544 --> 01:22:30,644
we could do to
make a difference,

1238
01:22:30,646 --> 01:22:34,214
greater education from
a psychology standpoint,

1239
01:22:34,216 --> 01:22:37,618
spotting the warning signs
of psychopathy early on.

1240
01:22:37,620 --> 01:22:40,287
From a law enforcement
standpoint, we have

1241
01:22:40,289 --> 01:22:42,823
advances in DNA
and a better network

1242
01:22:42,825 --> 01:22:45,793
of communication
between the agencies.

1243
01:22:46,028 --> 01:22:50,798
But, maybe I'm getting
soft in my old age,

1244
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:52,566
I just can't help
thinking about it

1245
01:22:52,568 --> 01:22:54,835
from a philosophical standpoint.

1246
01:22:55,237 --> 01:22:56,236
I'm intrigued.

1247
01:22:56,238 --> 01:22:59,907
Well, if those of us who are
positive in our intentions

1248
01:22:59,909 --> 01:23:01,976
spread enough love and light,

1249
01:23:01,978 --> 01:23:03,877
maybe there won't
be so much darkness

1250
01:23:03,879 --> 01:23:05,012
for evil to maneuver in.

1251
01:23:05,014 --> 01:23:08,182
I never had you down
as an idealist, Bob.

1252
01:23:08,184 --> 01:23:10,017
I never used to be.

1253
01:23:10,019 --> 01:23:12,987
But the times, they
are a changing.

1254
01:23:13,622 --> 01:23:15,022
You know what?

1255
01:23:20,329 --> 01:23:22,563
I think you're right.