Trump is guilty of genocide for his handling of COVID-19

soHeavy
i'm not defending him, i'm pointing out how hypocritical your bitching is
xsnlx
no, it's not, Fauci has spoken
xsnlx
when you react 2 months too late, this is what it looks like
21:12 Raven`X
Detail it exactly, how is it hypocritical?
xsnlx
#Rerun
21:13 xsnlx
bbl y'all
soHeavy
it's hypocritical because he's retroactively claiming trump should have done things that two months ago he would have claimed were fascist, racist, xenophobic, blah blah blah
xsnlx
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/29/opinions/coronavirus-personal-protective-equipment-obeidallah/index.html
xsnlx
doh
21:14 EonEcho
soHeavy: I'm putting you on Orange Alert.
soHeavy
travel ban? nationwide shutdown? defense production act?
21:14 EonEcho
Details matter.
21:15 EonEcho
soHeavy: What is your typical name in this community?
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EonEcho
You should be advised that entering a community, without reputation, and immediately espousing on political topics is one of the primary signals for propaganda.
EonEcho
Especially when those views defend the actions of right-wing political leaders.
soHeavy
again, i'm not defending our current clown president
soHeavy
he's handled this horribly, but so has the media and the WHO and just about everyone else
soHeavy
they're all complicit in this fuck up
EonEcho
The standard for POTUS is much higher than for the media.
xsnlx
yes, we agree he's handled this horribly
EonEcho
Trump has handled coronavirus at a genocidal level.
xsnlx
ok, gtg
EonEcho
Which should result in his immediate arrest.
EonEcho
The WHO made some important mistakes.
EonEcho
Their holding back on the pandemic classification was probably criminal.
soHeavy
see? perfect example of how ridiculous trump criticism is...genocide????
EonEcho
Correct.
EonEcho
Genocide.
soHeavy
you just throw out words as if they have no meaning
EonEcho
soHeavy: I am one of the best philosophers you'll ever meet in your lifetime.
EonEcho
soHeavy: Your response is invalid.
EonEcho
Would you like to see a valid response?
EonEcho
"On what basis can Trump's actions be considered genocide?"
soHeavy
genocidal fascist racist sexist xenophobe trying to shut down globalism!
EonEcho
Typing four question marks is disqualifying.
EonEcho
soHeavy: I have moved you to Red Alert.
soHeavy
*two months later* Y ISN'T TRUMP WHSHUTTING DOWN THE COUNTRY AND CLOSING THE BORDER?????
EonEcho
soHeavy: I put you on ignore.
EonEcho
The ignore never expires.
EonEcho
Proximate cause: Repeated usage of multiple question marks in textual communication which is disqualifying in intellectual discussion.
EonEcho
The United Nations Genocide Convention, which was established in 1948, defines genocide as "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such" including the killing of its members, causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group, deliberately imposing living conditions that seek to "bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part", pre
EonEcho
venting births, or forcibly transferring children out of the group to another group.[4][5][6]
EonEcho
Here is a brief exposition on why Trump is guilty of genocide in the context of COVID-19.
deusexb
you would have to prove "intent to destroy" beyond a reasonable doubt to get a conviction
deusexb
I think it's more a matter of criminal negligence, personally
EonEcho
deusexb: I fundamentally do not support current criminal justice legal theory when the crime is against large groups of people using stochastic methods.
21:23 EonEcho
Our current criminal justice doesn't know how to handle these situations circa 2020.
EonEcho
I agree that in the current criminal justice system it's likely it would be classified as criminal negligence.
EonEcho
Here is why I think that is wrong:
deusexb
sure, but a conviction requires utilizing existing penal code. otherwise we are just philosophizing, which is fine.
EonEcho
It is 1980. You are a medical professional responsible for safely transferring blood from one patient into another. You've taken various professional oaths. You are required to competently exercise your duties vis-a-vis blood transfusion. HIV is spreading on Earth, but that is not broadly known. You have no ethical or legal duties to screen your blood for HIV.
EonEcho
deusexb: Philosophy is superordinate to law.
EonEcho
Especially in the context of situations claimed to be poorly covered by existing legal systems.
EonEcho
It is 1982. There are reports of a new disease spreading in the gay community. You have heard of some members of your professional class attempting to develop tests for the pathogen, but there's no consensus. You have no legal duties, but perhaps an ethical one to keep current on research pertaining to this novel pathogen.
EonEcho
It is 1986. HIV has been identified. It is known to be transferred via blood. There are sufficient blood screening mechanisms in place. You forget to run this protocol for one patient. You are guilty of a professional violation and can reasonably be held accountable through a civil law mechanism.
EonEcho
It is 1994. Knowledge of HIV is widespread through human communities. All blood transfusion systems have been screening for HIV for many years. You intentionally do not screen blood for one patient because you think it's a "hoax" and the numbers of HIV will "soon be close to zero".
EonEcho
You can be held criminally responsible. If the patient dies from HIV, you may be charged with murder.
EonEcho
It is 2020. You have taken an oath of office for the President of the United States. It is the most powerful position in the American system, thereby carrying with it the most stringent violations of oath of office. You are brief by medical and national security experts, repeatedly, for years, that a pandemic is extremely threatening and may kill hundreds of thousands or millions of Americans. All of your actions are viol
EonEcho
ative of medical and national security professional obligations.
EonEcho
A pandemic occurs. You are again brief, repeatedly, on the deadliness of this pandemic. You do not take appropriate steps under your professional obligations to secure the American people from this pandemic. You call it a hoax. As a result, not one patient dies from HIV -- which is clearly a murder violation under pre-existing criminal law -- but hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths.
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EonEcho
Now, perhaps that's merely mass murder. But murder at that scale is not just mass murder under pre-existing, post-WW2 era law, e.g. the Geneva Accords, the Tokyo Trials, and the Nuremberg Trials.
EonEcho
Furthermore, the pandemic especially targets one group of people more than others -- the elderly. You are advised on this matter. You publicly organized and push for a policy that encourages everybody to act in a way that will spread the pandemic. Your agents explicitly argue for elderly humans to sacrifice their lives for your policy.
EonEcho
That is extremely clearly genocide.
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EonEcho
I am sorry that as Americans so many of you are so psychologically abused for so many decades by our failed culture that you think that is somehow less severe than the single act by the physician intentionally not screening for HIV in 1994.
EonEcho
There's no question Trump is guilty of genocide.
EonEcho
You should be immediately arrested and tried for crimes against humanity.
EonEcho
If found guilty, he should spend the rest of his life in prison or be executed.
EonEcho
It's wild to me that one can arrive at that argument with an extremely basic extension of reasoning on other matters, such as the physician example, and then think only that such violations are criminal negligence.
EonEcho
Hold humanity in higher regard. Value your lives more. Expect more from your leaders.
deusexb
I agree that in this day and age, with the amount of information available to the US government and numbers of people paid to plan and execute emergency response plans, there is no excuse for this kind of thing to happen
deusexb
a navy captain would run drills to make sure his crew knew how to handle an emergency
EonEcho
Our leaders are going to keep doing these sorts of things until there are severe consequences for them.
deusexb
if the captain doesnt prepare his crew. it's his fault when a mistake is made
EonEcho
Imagine a captain who got 300k soldiers killed because he repeatedly violated advice from all experts.
deusexb
the captain would be dragged in front of the board of inquiry and likely disciplined with confinement and dishonorable discharge if somebody got killed due to his negligence