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- I'm suspicious of ethical thought experiments like the Trolley problem, because intuitive ethics is the result of many adaptations across many organisms over a long period of time responding to a large amount of situations. The Trolley problem springs forth, ex nihilo, and asks us to consider updating our entire policy regarding a very large range of situations without a robust mathematical framework of 1) the lon
- EonEcho
- g-term outcomes of such a policy, 2) externalities of this new policy, 3) how this policy is vulnerable/hackable/exploitable by bad actors which is a *must* in a evolutionary, competitive system.
- TrollT
- Here's a better evaluation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_morality
- TrollT
- "Darwin suggests sympathy is at the core of sociability and is an instinctive emotion found in most social animals. "
- TrollT
- and
- TrollT
- "Mankind is a social animal, and has inherited its moral traits through the evolution of morality. As Darwin notes, the moral difference between mankind and animals, however, is "certainly one of degree and not of kind."[8] Emotions such as remorse, regret or shame one may feel, stem from human's incessant reflection on past experiences and preoccupation with the judgement of others.[9]"
- TrollT
- So these are inferred or derived from an observation of natural principles (laws).
- TrollT
- They aren't dictated from a religion or derived within a religion ostensibly from a deity.
- Arcainel
- Their moral values are more affected by their dogmatic knowledge or their personal beliefs, whereas atheists’ moral values are more affected by written professional codes and laws or their background
- EonEcho
- It's important to remember that humans appear to overvalue their approach to calculations or intelligence, often going to far as to posit conscious intelligence is the only type of intelligence, even though evolution has built machines far more complex than conscious human intelligence has so far, while human conscious intelligence has been reasonably shown to be lacking in its memory capacity to simultaneously co
- EonEcho
- nsider many different variables, which are necessarily included through direct causality in an evolutionary system like brain evolution, and they're not effective and doing time-based rollouts of their dynamic models under variable conditions.
- TrollT
- Of course to argue that 'atheists do XYZ' or don't do them is fatuous.
- EonEcho
- So, the Trolley problem should be received with extreme skepticism, in my view.
- TrollT
- That's the best presentation i can provide at this point in time.
- EonEcho
- I think what I just said is the best thing I've ever read on the Trolley problem.
- EonEcho
- I'm proud.
- EonEcho
- It takes intellectual courage to be suspicious of a construct repeatedly leveraged by philosophers.
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