Ele vs KitFox - Round 1

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[02:16.07] Channel Created on: 04:14 22/10/2015
[02:16.53] <kitfox> Ele: hypothetical situation: suo closes a thread in discussion that he thinks should be closed
[02:16.58] <kitfox> Zelda doesn't like it
[02:17.02] <Ele> it's not discussion
[02:17.04] <Ele> it's TP
[02:17.05] <kitfox> Zelda reopens the thread
[02:17.06] <Ele> it's a paid board
[02:17.15] <kitfox> thanks for allowing me to finish
[02:17.25] <kitfox> Zelda reopens without attempting to speak with suo
[02:17.27] <kitfox> what happens to Zelda
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[02:17.57] <Ele> The difference is it's a different board
[02:17.58] <kitfox> the fact that it's paid has no bearing on your handling of the situation
[02:18.01] <kitfox> that's a poor argument
[02:18.03] <Ele> it does
[02:18.09] <Ele> now you're not hearing me out
[02:18.30] <Ele> we're paying for this shit
[02:18.31] <Ele> we have
[02:18.33] <Ele> much more of a say
[02:18.36] <Ele> in how that shit is run
[02:18.41] <Ele> and so
[02:18.44] <Ele> when someone does something
[02:18.50] <kitfox> elaborate on how tp being a paid board allows you to go directly against someone much higher than you in a disrespectful manner instead of trying to talk to them about it in private
[02:18.51] <Ele> that flies in the face of what was agreed
[02:18.52] <kitfox> I'll wait
[02:18.58] <Ele> well you didn't
[02:19.01] <Ele> you just typed all that shit
[02:19.03] <Ele> didn't you?
[02:19.07] <kitfox> I'm on a phone
[02:19.11] <kitfox> it would have come earlier
[02:19.15] <kitfox> if I had a fucking keyboard
[02:19.21] <kitfox> I'm waiting
[02:20.02] <Ele> If Tonakai wants to make a rule that from now there's no shitposting allowed in TP
[02:20.03] <Ele> lol
[02:20.07] <Ele> he can try and do that
[02:20.30] <Tonakai> hi
[02:20.33] <Ele> hi
[02:20.36] <Ele> is that what you want?
[02:21.07] <kitfox> I argued with tonakai before he did anything in your favor you stupid fuck
[02:21.16] <kitfox> I disagree with how he handled it
[02:21.26] <kitfox> but I also take issue with how you responded
[02:21.41] <kitfox> tonakai can vouch for that
[02:21.44] <Tonakai> hi
[02:21.49] <Tonakai> I can vouch
[02:22.07] <kitfox> I agree with you but the way you handled the situation is a strong example of why you are a shit mod
[02:22.10] <Ele> why?
[02:22.12] <kitfox> and why you need to be replaced
[02:22.15] <Ele> was I too salty in my response to faint?
[02:22.19] <kitfox> no
[02:22.23] <kitfox> you fucking dolt
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[02:22.33] <kitfox> 9:18 AM <kitfox> elaborate on how tp being a paid board allows you to go directly against someone much higher than you in a disrespectful manner instead of trying to talk to them about it in private
[02:22.36] <Tonakai> firstly, I'd prefer to talk about this stuff somewhere that isn't a public channel
[02:22.53] <kitfox> that is entirely my point
[02:23.09] <kitfox> the problem is how you responded
[02:23.15] <Ele> ok
[02:23.17] <kitfox> @ ele
[02:23.19] <Ele> i'll explain
[02:23.22] <Ele> it's Toriprime
[02:23.23] <kitfox> you can't.
[02:23.26] <Ele> we have fun there
[02:23.40] <Ele> 'bawwwww'
[02:23.40] <kitfox> it's not a justification for going against a ninja in a public manner
[02:23.42] <kitfox> you acted like an ass
[02:23.52] <kitfox> you can't justify your actions
[02:23.58] <Ele> I did
[02:24.03] <Ele> You can say it's not justifiable
[02:24.14] <kitfox> I'm sure it will hold up when your position is reviewed
[02:24.33] <kitfox> you could have just as easier queued tonakai he's always here
[02:24.36] <kitfox> hey man why close those
[02:24.40] <kitfox> can we talk about it
[02:24.43] <kitfox> but you decided to act a fool
[02:24.48] <kitfox> and just override him
[02:24.52] <kitfox> in a disrespectful way
[02:25.00] <kitfox> and there's no good justification for that
[02:25.02] <Gynx> i have a question about the tp drama
[02:25.06] <kitfox> yo
[02:25.14] <Ele> I know why he closed it, he didn't like the shitposts
[02:25.22] <Ele> that's a decision based on a whim
[02:25.24] <Gynx> the thread that was made to bash donkey, is that not against rule #1
[02:25.28] <Ele> that's not how Toriprime is run
[02:25.28] <kitfox> right can you not argue thet??
[02:25.30] <kitfox> that
[02:25.33] <Ele> you can say it was disrespectful
[02:25.40] <Gynx> yes or no
[02:25.57] <Gynx> considering the guy who was being bashed didnt want it to stay open
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[02:26.17] <Ele> If we're having a zone of the forums
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[02:26.35] <Ele> where we pay for it and we the users decide what sort of content we allow on it
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[02:26.41] <Gynx> are you going to answer my question
[02:26.43] <SrCheetah> Gynx: Moataz made that thread for some reason, idk, ask him
[02:26.44] <kitfox> you're not answering his question
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[02:27.00] <Ele> Sure, it's against a rule
[02:27.04] <kitfox> thanks
[02:27.06] <kitfox> case closed
[02:27.07] <Gynx> then why has it been opened
[02:27.14] <Ele> If we're having a zone of the forums
[02:27.19] <Ele> where we pay for it and we the users decide what sort of content we allow on it
[02:27.26] <Gynx> it's against the rules
[02:27.27] <Ele> then leave it up to us
[02:27.28] <kitfox> if someone who pays to view it is being harassed
[02:27.34] <Ele> don't go all sticky fingers over it
[02:27.35] <kitfox> do we have the right to defend them and close it
[02:27.45] <Gynx> you enforce them, you don't go above them
[02:28.01] <Ele> If Donkey really was concerned with is
[02:28.09] <Ele> he would've spoken to me and we would've sorted something out
[02:28.10] <kitfox> this is my point. you had the opportunity to speak directly to tonakai at any point and say hey man I disagree with you closing that can we discuss it
[02:28.13] <Ele> he knows me and he know he could do that
[02:28.41] <kitfox> I think the mistake you are making here ele is that you aren't the grandmaster of tp
[02:28.44] <kitfox> you're help
[02:29.18] <kitfox> you're welcome to dispute tonakais actions and argue against them on the proper platform
[02:29.27] <Gynx> i think "send this to hall of shame" was enough
[02:29.31] <kitfox> you are not welcome to disregard him entirely
[02:29.35] <Gynx> he shouldn't have to raise the issue again with you
[02:29.38] <kitfox> and do whatever the fuck you want
[02:29.58] <SrCheetah> Donkey isn't even in tb anymore .-.
[02:30.01] <Gynx> you can do what you want with tp so long as it is within the rules
[02:30.14] <Ele> Then you're going to have to delete every second post
[02:30.14] <Gynx> that thread broke rule #1, it stays closed.
[02:30.19] <Ele> because that's how TP is
[02:30.26] <Ele> that's how it's been
[02:30.33] <Ele> for the past half year
[02:30.38] <SrCheetah> That's how the majority of people chose it to be
[02:30.40] <Ele> all of a sudden it's a huge issue?
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[02:30.45] <SrCheetah> so why not leave it ?
[02:31.15] <Gynx> there's a difference between "banter" (for lack of a better word) and a thread bashing someone who is not okay with being roasted
[02:31.16] <Ele> all of a sudden threads need to be closed?
[02:31.23] <Gynx> don't roll them all into the same blanket
[02:31.35] <Gynx> do your job
[02:31.36] <Ele> Donkey didn't mind
[02:31.39] <Ele> I'm telling you that know
[02:31.46] <Ele> now
[02:32.04] <Ele> Donkey was chuffed for the attention
[02:32.16] <kitfox> 9:30 AM <Ele> all of a sudden it's a huge issue?
[02:32.18] <Gynx> im happy to change the closure of the thread if that is made apparent
[02:32.32] <kitfox> you are missing the point entirely
[02:32.37] <kitfox> over and over again
[02:32.38] <Gynx> currently all i have to go on is two posts that don't seem to be very happy about it at all
[02:33.35] <kitfox> do you think anyone would have a problem with this situation if you spoke to tonakai and you guys hashed it out in private and decided to reopen the threads
[02:33.41] <kitfox> ele
[02:34.07] <Ele> probably not
[02:34.08] <Ele> except faint
[02:34.16] <kitfox> the problem is you have no respect for anyone and see yourself as the grandmaster of tp
[02:34.19] <kitfox> and your word is final
[02:34.26] <kitfox> and that is incorrect as fuck
[02:34.39] <Ele> mate
[02:34.43] <kitfox> I'm not your mate
[02:34.44] <Ele> you see yourself as grandmaster of toribash
[02:34.52] <kitfox> I'm not even staff see
[02:34.55] <Ele> I know
[02:34.55] <kitfox> dude**
[02:35.01] <kitfox> I'm just calling you on your bullshit
[02:35.05] <kitfox> and you don't like it
[02:35.07] <Ele> I know
[02:35.08] <Ele> I'm saying
[02:35.10] <Ele> it's rich
[02:35.11] <Ele> coming from you
[02:35.41] <kitfox> waiting eagerly to hear why
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[02:35.50] <Ele> Because you're just as full of yourself
[02:36.13] <kitfox> elaborate
[02:36.29] <Ele> you think you're the hottest shit since James Dean
[02:36.39] <Tonakai> woah.
[02:37.08] <kitfox> so is this going anywhere
[02:37.10] <kitfox> or are you done
[02:37.35] <Ele> if you are
[02:37.49] <kitfox> no actually I'm not quite finished
[02:37.56] <Ele> then let's go mofo
[02:37.58] <kitfox> I was just waiting for you to get that off your chest
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[02:38.39] <literallyjamesdean> you know what's cooler than James dean
[02:38.59] <literallyjamesdean> being edgy like ele
[02:39.15] <Ele> coming from the edgemaster himself
[02:39.17] <literallyjamesdean> fuck authorityyyyy
[02:39.51] <Ele> You're all people
[02:40.00] <Ele> you're no better than anyone else
[02:40.04] <literallyjamesdean> I'm not a part of this systemmmm
[02:40.06] <literallyjamesdean> rebelllllll
[02:40.13] <literallyjamesdean> WITH A REBELLLL YELLLL
[02:40.24] <Ele> yeh good one
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[02:40.31] <kitfox> ele, man of the people
[02:40.48] <Ele> Yeah, well, someone's gotta fight for the little guy
[02:41.07] <kitfox> you're fuckin delusional
[02:41.19] <kitfox> you can't put a coherent argument together so you move to insult me
[02:41.20] <Ele> against the big scary NOopoly
[02:41.25] <kitfox> TOP KEK
[02:41.31] <kitfox> ILLUMINOTY
[02:41.57] <Gynx> yeah we all get along really well and agree on everything
[02:42.01] <Gynx> its awesome
[02:42.02] <kitfox> if you saw how much arguing happened between members of NO at the higher level you'd never jokingly say that again
[02:42.13] <kitfox> and it speaks to your complete ignorance of what's happening around you
[02:42.48] <Gynx> also the fact that almost all of the upper NO staff had their positions before they joined the clan lol
[02:42.59] <kitfox> Gynx: but but muh memes
[02:43.35] <Gynx> its funny because when people complain about the NOlluminati i have to remind them i made that meme >:)
[02:44.01] <Ele> did I say illuminati
[02:44.07] <Ele> or did I say monopoly
[02:44.14] <Ele> NO does have a monopoly on power
[02:44.18] <Ele> that's not disputable
[02:44.27] <Ele> or
[02:44.32] <kitfox> lol
[02:44.35] <Ele> do you not understand what monopoly means?
[02:44.49] <Gynx> no sorry i dont understand
[02:44.52] <kitfox> your mistake here is believing that we agree on everything
[02:44.54] <Gynx> pls tell
[02:45.20] <Tonakai> this is one of those moments where I'm unsure if what is said is spoken in a serious tone or not
[02:45.25] <kitfox> we are in the same clan but that doesn't mean our views or opinions are the same
[02:45.30] <kitfox> Tonakai: he's serious
[02:45.35] <Ele> kitfox
[02:45.35] <Gynx> (i was being sarcastic tho)
[02:45.36] <Tonakai> I don't believe it
[02:45.39] <Ele> what are you on about?
[02:45.41] <Ele> where did I rant
[02:45.44] <Tonakai> Ele, calm down
[02:45.47] <Ele> about everyone in no aggring?
[02:45.58] <kitfox> 9:44 AM <Ele> NO does have a monopoly on power
[02:45.59] <Ele> agreeing?
[02:46.09] <Ele> It does
[02:46.11] <kitfox> what exactly was the point of this
[02:46.19] <kitfox> sure by the numbers, yes
[02:46.23] <Ele> yes
[02:46.24] <kitfox> but what significance does that hold
[02:46.27] <kitfox> is my point
[02:46.37] <Ele> well
[02:46.38] <Ele> I said
[02:46.47] <Ele> fight against the big scary noopoly
[02:46.49] <Ele> which
[02:46.53] <Ele> you recognised as a joke
[02:46.57] <Ele> as it was intended
[02:46.57] <Ele> so
[02:47.00] <Ele> what
[02:47.02] <Ele> is your point?
[02:47.08] <Ele> or
[02:47.09] <kitfox> is this a joke exchange
[02:47.23] <kitfox> because I'm not fuckin joking
[02:47.29] <kitfox> I'm taking you seriously
[02:47.41] <kitfox> if you aren't taking yourself seriously stop wasting my fucking time
[02:47.52] <kitfox> you can't defend your actions
[02:47.54] <kitfox> end of story
[02:48.04] <Ele> I've already defended them
[02:48.06] <Ele> It's a board for the people
[02:48.09] <Ele> don't fuck with teh people
[02:48.12] <Ele> that's my defense
[02:48.16] <Ele> you can say to me
[02:48.17] <kitfox> Gynx: have you seen enough
[02:48.19] <Ele> fuck you, you're fired
[02:48.22] <Ele> whatever
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[02:48.59] <Gynx> i already closed the thread and made my decision clear to tp
[02:49.04] <Gynx> this is all peripheral
[02:49.46] <SrCheetah> Gynx: If someone had a REAL problem with a thread he should contact a mod, the board is like this because this is what we wanted
[02:50.14] <SrCheetah> And Donkey didn't really mind that thread
[02:50.23] <Gynx> i can't know that
[02:50.32] <Gynx> so i have to make a decision based on what i do know
[02:50.40] <Gynx> which is that he doesnt look like he didnt mind it
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[02:50.50] <kitfox> BUT MUH FIVE DOLLARS
[02:51.00] <kitfox> MUH PEOPLE
[02:51.34] <Ele> that's a good message to send to people that are considering buying TP kitfox
[02:51.37] <Ele> yeah
[02:51.41] <Ele> you'd make a great community manager..
[02:51.49] <kitfox> kek
[02:51.58] <SrCheetah> But Gynx, if you're going like that, you're going to get tired of removing ''faggot'' or ''get cancer'' posts
[02:52.14] <kitfox> gonna get metrics for how many people own tp vs how many post
[02:52.14] <Gynx> i dont care about those
[02:52.16] <kitfox> and laugh at you
[02:52.25] <Gynx> because the majority of the time you play it back and forth
[02:52.27] <Gynx> donkey did not
[02:52.31] <kitfox> SrCheetah: if they're directed
[02:52.31] <kitfox> ye
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[02:56.06] <SrCheetah> ＋http://forum.toribash.com/showthread.php?t=528879&page=2，
[02:56.08] <SrCheetah> Check that
[02:56.14] <SrCheetah> Donkey's post
[02:56.19] <SrCheetah> He asked for it ._.
[02:56.49] <Ele> lol
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[02:58.43] <Gynx> why did it take this whole conversation and then some to get that in the open
[02:59.08] <kitfox> again
[02:59.10] <kitfox> missing the point
[02:59.20] <Ele> kitfox
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[02:59.23] <Ele> give it up
[02:59.41] <kitfox> ＋https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/8FBbAKuM/IMG_2898.PNG，
[02:59.46] <SkulFuk> all i see are people trying to lay claim to land belonging to the evil overlord
[02:59.53] <Gynx> you did handle this wrongly, ele
[03:00.05] <Ele> I shoulda spoken to Tonakai first
[03:00.07] <Ele> I'll accept that
[03:00.13] <Ele> I shouldn't have had to in the first place
[03:00.18] <Gynx> the proper way to do it would be explaining why it wasnt against the rules and linking that thread
[03:00.20] <Ele> He never should have closed those threads
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[03:00.24] <SrCheetah> Skulfuk: nah, they're battling for the legendary sword
[03:00.30] <kitfox> Ele: WE DONT DISAGREE WITH THAT
[03:00.36] <kitfox> how thick can you be
[03:00.38] <kitfox> I agree with you
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[03:00.45] <kitfox> I agree tonakai should have not touched it
[03:00.48] <Ele> Kitfox
[03:00.50] <Ele> Did I not just say
[03:00.51] <kitfox> I argued with him a full day ago
[03:00.54] <kitfox> about exactly that
[03:00.56] <Ele> that I accept that I shoulda spoken with him first?
[03:01.02] <kitfox> do you?
[03:01.09] <kitfox> it took an hour for that?
[03:01.24] <Ele> calm down kitfox
[03:01.25] <Ele> you're angry
[03:01.33] <kitfox> k man good read
[03:01.36] <kitfox> have a good one
[03:01.41] <Ele> yeah
[03:01.42] <Ele> mate
[03:01.44] <SrCheetah> I just remembered about that Donkey post and linked it, did I send something important ? .-.
[03:01.45] <Ele> you too
[03:03.38] <kitfox> 9:35 AM <Ele> i'll have you know I rule at moderating
[03:04.04] <Ele> whadda ya want me to say
[03:04.06] <Ele> after you say
[03:04.13] <Ele> "You suck at moderating'
[03:04.14] <Ele> with no context?
[03:04.54] <kitfox> 9:00 AM <kitfox> Ele: you fucking suck at moderating
[03:04.57] <Rai> "when i was 15 i remember my highschool sweetheart broke up with me and i thought my life was ruined!
[03:04.58] <Rai> "
[03:05.11] <kitfox> I linked a thread you closed in discussion about someone asking for help
[03:05.29] <Ele> thread didn't belong there
[03:05.34] <Ele> thread didn't belong in support
[03:05.37] <kitfox> didn't move it, didn't attempt to resolve, just closed
[03:05.39] <Ele> didn't belong anywhere so it was closed
[03:05.52] <kitfox> a brand new member asking a simple question
[03:05.55] <kitfox> rapid threads
[03:05.59] <kitfox> beginner sanctuary
[03:06.05] <kitfox> nah close it and be a dick to the kid
[03:06.14] <kitfox> 9:00 AM <kitfox> Ele: you fucking suck at moderating
[03:06.18] <kitfox> was the context
[03:06.22] <Ele> 'why did I get quitted for spamming, I didn't spam blerh'
[03:06.25] <kitfox> and you knew that
[03:06.27] <Ele> no information
[03:06.29] <Ele> no screens
[03:06.30] <Ele> no nothing
[03:06.33] <kitfox> it's a simple question
[03:06.41] <kitfox> usually caused by massive server lag
[03:06.52] <kitfox> someone immediately answered his follow up thread in BS
[03:07.01] <kitfox> so apparently you're incorrect about needing additional info
[03:07.11] <Ele> dude
[03:07.16] <Ele> do I mod support?
[03:07.19] <Ele> or do I mod discussion?
[03:07.21] <Ele> I don't play the game.
[03:07.35] <kitfox> nope which is why you shouldn't be decided what is or what is not a good support question
[03:07.55] <kitfox> and you should have asked someone where it would fit if you weren't clear
[03:08.03] <kitfox> so that you knew for next time
[03:08.08] <kitfox> because that's how modding works
[03:08.12] <kitfox> 9:00 AM <kitfox> Ele: you fucking suck at moderating
[03:08.20] <kitfox> hence my comment yesterday
[03:08.22] <Ele> yeah?
[03:08.25] <Ele> fuck you too
[03:08.25] <kitfox> yep.
[03:08.28] <kitfox> thanks
[03:08.32] <kitfox> solid argument sir
[03:08.56] <Ele> it's a flawless argument
[03:09.47] <kitfox> thank you for demonstrating how incompetent you are in real time
[03:09.56] <kitfox> so I don't have to labor over a post explaining it
[03:10.01] <Ele> I'm just over talking with you man
[03:10.04] <Ele> you just jab and jab and jab
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[03:10.25] <GigaPad> ello
[03:10.32] <kitfox> why wouldn't I? I'm the hottest shit since James Dean
[03:10.32] <GigaPad> vibe is official
[03:10.36] <SrCheetah> Gigapad: You're on war territory
[03:10.38] <Ele> exactly
[03:10.40] <kitfox> GigaPad: grats
[03:10.43] <GigaPad> youre not kitfox
[03:10.50] <kitfox> ?
[03:10.51] <Fear> lol
[03:11.01] <Rai> yea
[03:11.04] <kitfox> are you disputing my coolness
[03:11.05] <Rai> the kitfox i know is nice
[03:11.06] <Tonakai> isn't vibe a super old clan?
[03:11.07] <Rai> and not a fag like you kitfox
[03:11.14] <kitfox> HEY
[03:11.15] <SkulFuk> hotter than satan's bollocks
[03:11.16] <kitfox> FEELINFS
[03:11.21] <GigaPad> shut up Tonakai
[03:11.23] <kitfox> SkulFuk: winky face
[03:11.23] <Rai> fuck your feelings
[03:11.29] <SrCheetah> tonakai: I think it used to be a clan, died, then we got the name
[03:11.38] <Tonakai> I see
[03:11.41] <kitfox> that explains a lot
[03:11.43] <Tonakai> makes sense
[03:11.46] <Fear> they're cool though
[03:11.59] <GigaPad> SkulFuk thanks
[03:12.23] <GigaPad> for making me realize how shitty my pc is
[03:13.16] <kitfox> wat
[03:13.19] <kitfox> context
[03:13.23] <Sparky> we were called ROUG but like
[03:13.30] <Sparky> that was 2k13
[03:14.19] <Fear> what does roug even mean
[03:14.57] <Sparky> Revolution of ultimate gamers
[03:15.00] <Sparky> don't judge ay
[03:15.04] <Sparky> that was 2013
[03:15.26] <Sparky> we beat Rawr and thought we were unstoppable
[03:15.43] <Fear> the pinnacle of toribash
[03:15.55] <Sparky> they either weren't trying, or jsut got extremely unlucky