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- Monfd
- There are no gods.
- Monfd
- It's fairly obvious.
- Monfd
- Pro-life people aren't for life.
- Monfd
- They typically wish to kill humans and their babies as long as they're in foreign countries.
- Monfd
- They typically kill untold amounts of non-humans because they find their flesh pleasant tasting.
- Monfd
- Why, then, do they call themselves pro-life when it's obviously a lie?
- 12:25 Monfd
- In addition to the above, they're usually so oblivious that they equate all life with just the few humans in their faction.
- Monfd
- They genuinely don't consider life forms in different shapes and different circumstances, i.e. they're not doing it on purpose.
- Monfd
- They're just relatively mindless ape automatons who are executing their programmed code of 'support the faction above all else' even if that code ends up killing their faction, species, or planet's biosphere in the long-term, e.g. climate change.
- Monfd
- What's the solution, then?
- Monfd
- The deployment of a newish political-scientific theory which accepts humans have multiple cognitive sub-species/cognitive clusters which differential powers granted to different clusters.
- Monfd
- Which is to say, and extension of veganism to human variation.
- Monfd
- Horses don't have a right to vote, as they aren't smart enough, but they have a right to not be torn limb from limb.
- Monfd
- Some human cognitive clusters should not have the ability to influence human society, but they can vote on some things.
- Monfd
- Humans don't yet know how to do the above differential rights system because they're not ethical enough.
- Monfd
- Such systems often devolve into 'my faction is one of the superior clusters, and my enemy factions are one of the lower clusters'.
- Monfd
- People who think that way must be placed in one of the lower clusters.
- tumble
- Your hierarchical system is unethically.
- tumble
- Unethical.
- Monfd
- Why?
- tumble
- Because it’s based on subjective factors.
- Monfd
- I'll note a few things at this point.
- Monfd
- 1 - We currently live in an unethical hierarchal systems.
- tumble
- The whole reason for veganism is based on the notion that humans aren’t superior to animals.
- Monfd
- 2 - Differential power in our current unethical systems is based on access to money and social connections -- both mechanisms typically supporting a small range of personalities that are probably not desirable for increased influence, e.g. psychopathy
- Monfd
- So, it's not whether this proposal of mine has problems, but whether it is *less objectionable* to our current system
- Monfd
- We need to be very mindful of our nature that tends to normalizes whatever reality we happen to currently be in
- Monfd
- tumble: Subjective and objective aren't especially defined concepts in my worldview
- Monfd
- I prefer 'harder and easier to measure'
- Monfd
- How much money you paid today to the political faction is easy to measure, as is your lineage
- Monfd
- How selfish, how intelligent, and how Kantian you are (for example) are harder to measure
- Monfd
- tumble: I agree with you that veganism is fundamentally rooted in important equality between humans and non-humans -- at least across some domains
- Monfd
- Peter Singer has proposed an rpg-like graph/perk system for assessing which organisms have which rights
- Monfd
- I definitely reject, as a vegan, that all organisms are equal in all regards
- Monfd
- That is obviously false
- Monfd
- The tiger is not as capable as humans of designing systems in which the human and tiger can co-exist, given tiger and human natures
- Monfd
- Humans will need to be in charge of that, and our job is to be good stewards and advocates for tigers
- Monfd
- Likewise, some humans cannot be in charge of some things. The smarter humans need to be good advocates for them, though
- Monfd
- A right-wing voter who is a conspiracy theorist must be blocked from guiding civilization
- Monfd
- They don't have valid political variation -- they have pathology
- Monfd
- And their programming is to spread their pathology to all areas of human existence
- Monfd
- The effect of their pathology spreading will be persistent warfare between factions, which, in the nuclear age, is unacceptable
- Monfd
- *No matter what the pathological person proclaims inn this context*, we must not allow them influence.
- Monfd
- We will make errors in our classification of minds. We will create suffering.
- Monfd
- The goal is to minimize suffering, while being mindful of rights of individual beings, given the power of contemporary human civilization
- Monfd
- It's a very hard problem. If we don't do it, our climate change (now largely a right-wing issue) will cause mass migrations which the xenophobia of right-wing governments won't tolerate, leading to fascism in our home nations, and massive warfare
- Monfd
- The EU strained under 3 million Syrian refugees and the US elected a dotard
- Monfd
- We are looking at forced migrations of 600 million in a few decades
- Monfd
- Human civilization will fail and the pathological right-wing minds will not save us in that fate
- Monfd
- We have to restrict their power now
- Monfd
- It's all fairly obviously, honestly
- Monfd
- The mathematics and biology show us that right-wing minds are an optimized cognitive solution given intense factionalism of our evolutionary past
- Monfd
- That optimized mind is anti-optimized in global civilization
- Monfd
- The reason they feel 'left out', en masse, is because they unconsciously perceive that modern society is already doing a portion of what I am advocating above
- Monfd
- They have existential dread because their patterns are no longer effective
- Monfd
- We can either box them, or they'll destroy us all just so they don't have to live in a world in which they watch the train of evolution disappear into the horizon
- Monfd
- Ultimately, don't worry about any of the above
- Monfd
- Humans are a very stupid species
- Monfd
- They don't do well planning at large scales
- Monfd
- What actually happens is they bump along, confusedly, towards crisis while bad actors with lots of power scheme for their own gain
- Monfd
- What will happen is that this time the catastrophe will be too large and we'll destroy human civilization, or people like Putin with AI-powered propaganda will successfully conquer the minds of sufficient humans to create a globally controlled society where pathological people like him prosper and almost all of us suffer
- Monfd
- So, instead of the vegan-inspired civilization where each being is allowed full expression of their identity, given stability of the system concerns, people like MBS who execute teenagers will have 74 yachts
- Monfd
- will dominate who regions of Earth. But, by all means, worry about the ethics of my proposed system
- Monfd
- That's easy. That's safe. What can be possibly do about MBS, Putin, and Xi Xinping
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