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Vegan Metafactionalism

May 12th, 2019
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  2. Monfd
  3. There are no gods.
  4. Monfd
  5. It's fairly obvious.
  6. Monfd
  7. Pro-life people aren't for life.
  8. Monfd
  9. They typically wish to kill humans and their babies as long as they're in foreign countries.
  10. Monfd
  11. They typically kill untold amounts of non-humans because they find their flesh pleasant tasting.
  12. Monfd
  13. Why, then, do they call themselves pro-life when it's obviously a lie?
  14. 12:25 Monfd
  15. In addition to the above, they're usually so oblivious that they equate all life with just the few humans in their faction.
  16. Monfd
  17. They genuinely don't consider life forms in different shapes and different circumstances, i.e. they're not doing it on purpose.
  18. Monfd
  19. They're just relatively mindless ape automatons who are executing their programmed code of 'support the faction above all else' even if that code ends up killing their faction, species, or planet's biosphere in the long-term, e.g. climate change.
  20. Monfd
  21. What's the solution, then?
  22. Monfd
  23. The deployment of a newish political-scientific theory which accepts humans have multiple cognitive sub-species/cognitive clusters which differential powers granted to different clusters.
  24. Monfd
  25. Which is to say, and extension of veganism to human variation.
  26. Monfd
  27. Horses don't have a right to vote, as they aren't smart enough, but they have a right to not be torn limb from limb.
  28. Monfd
  29. Some human cognitive clusters should not have the ability to influence human society, but they can vote on some things.
  30. Monfd
  31. Humans don't yet know how to do the above differential rights system because they're not ethical enough.
  32. Monfd
  33. Such systems often devolve into 'my faction is one of the superior clusters, and my enemy factions are one of the lower clusters'.
  34. Monfd
  35. People who think that way must be placed in one of the lower clusters.
  36. tumble
  37. Your hierarchical system is unethically.
  38. tumble
  39. Unethical.
  40. Monfd
  41. Why?
  42. tumble
  43. Because it’s based on subjective factors.
  44. Monfd
  45. I'll note a few things at this point.
  46. Monfd
  47. 1 - We currently live in an unethical hierarchal systems.
  48. tumble
  49. The whole reason for veganism is based on the notion that humans aren’t superior to animals.
  50. Monfd
  51. 2 - Differential power in our current unethical systems is based on access to money and social connections -- both mechanisms typically supporting a small range of personalities that are probably not desirable for increased influence, e.g. psychopathy
  52. Monfd
  53. So, it's not whether this proposal of mine has problems, but whether it is *less objectionable* to our current system
  54. Monfd
  55. We need to be very mindful of our nature that tends to normalizes whatever reality we happen to currently be in
  56. Monfd
  57. tumble: Subjective and objective aren't especially defined concepts in my worldview
  58. Monfd
  59. I prefer 'harder and easier to measure'
  60. Monfd
  61. How much money you paid today to the political faction is easy to measure, as is your lineage
  62. Monfd
  63. How selfish, how intelligent, and how Kantian you are (for example) are harder to measure
  64. Monfd
  65. tumble: I agree with you that veganism is fundamentally rooted in important equality between humans and non-humans -- at least across some domains
  66. Monfd
  67. Peter Singer has proposed an rpg-like graph/perk system for assessing which organisms have which rights
  68. Monfd
  69. I definitely reject, as a vegan, that all organisms are equal in all regards
  70. Monfd
  71. That is obviously false
  72. Monfd
  73. The tiger is not as capable as humans of designing systems in which the human and tiger can co-exist, given tiger and human natures
  74. Monfd
  75. Humans will need to be in charge of that, and our job is to be good stewards and advocates for tigers
  76. Monfd
  77. Likewise, some humans cannot be in charge of some things. The smarter humans need to be good advocates for them, though
  78. Monfd
  79. A right-wing voter who is a conspiracy theorist must be blocked from guiding civilization
  80. Monfd
  81. They don't have valid political variation -- they have pathology
  82. Monfd
  83. And their programming is to spread their pathology to all areas of human existence
  84. Monfd
  85. The effect of their pathology spreading will be persistent warfare between factions, which, in the nuclear age, is unacceptable
  86. Monfd
  87. *No matter what the pathological person proclaims inn this context*, we must not allow them influence.
  88. Monfd
  89. We will make errors in our classification of minds. We will create suffering.
  90. Monfd
  91. The goal is to minimize suffering, while being mindful of rights of individual beings, given the power of contemporary human civilization
  92. Monfd
  93. It's a very hard problem. If we don't do it, our climate change (now largely a right-wing issue) will cause mass migrations which the xenophobia of right-wing governments won't tolerate, leading to fascism in our home nations, and massive warfare
  94. Monfd
  95. The EU strained under 3 million Syrian refugees and the US elected a dotard
  96. Monfd
  97. We are looking at forced migrations of 600 million in a few decades
  98. Monfd
  99. Human civilization will fail and the pathological right-wing minds will not save us in that fate
  100. Monfd
  101. We have to restrict their power now
  102. Monfd
  103. It's all fairly obviously, honestly
  104. Monfd
  105. The mathematics and biology show us that right-wing minds are an optimized cognitive solution given intense factionalism of our evolutionary past
  106. Monfd
  107. That optimized mind is anti-optimized in global civilization
  108. Monfd
  109. The reason they feel 'left out', en masse, is because they unconsciously perceive that modern society is already doing a portion of what I am advocating above
  110. Monfd
  111. They have existential dread because their patterns are no longer effective
  112. Monfd
  113. We can either box them, or they'll destroy us all just so they don't have to live in a world in which they watch the train of evolution disappear into the horizon
  114. Monfd
  115. Ultimately, don't worry about any of the above
  116. Monfd
  117. Humans are a very stupid species
  118. Monfd
  119. They don't do well planning at large scales
  120. Monfd
  121. What actually happens is they bump along, confusedly, towards crisis while bad actors with lots of power scheme for their own gain
  122. Monfd
  123. What will happen is that this time the catastrophe will be too large and we'll destroy human civilization, or people like Putin with AI-powered propaganda will successfully conquer the minds of sufficient humans to create a globally controlled society where pathological people like him prosper and almost all of us suffer
  124. Monfd
  125. So, instead of the vegan-inspired civilization where each being is allowed full expression of their identity, given stability of the system concerns, people like MBS who execute teenagers will have 74 yachts
  126. Monfd
  127. will dominate who regions of Earth. But, by all means, worry about the ethics of my proposed system
  128. Monfd
  129. That's easy. That's safe. What can be possibly do about MBS, Putin, and Xi Xinping
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