[10:10:56] <penthief> Why is ##conservative shut down?
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[10:13:50] <Sliffy> because those channels usually devolve into racism and homophobia.
[10:15:53] <xeno> yawn!
[10:19:40] <xeno> Sliffy: I might overestimate humans, but IMO that's not necessarily a bad thing - with channels like that, people who feel a little sympathetic to those conservatives can
join the channel and be directly exposed to what kinda idiots they are
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[10:20:51] <Elegrant> don't overunderestimate
[10:20:56] <Sliffy> whatever.... i don't care. just noticed those topics tend to be a trend in conservative thinking.
[10:22:04] <xeno> Elegrant: can I missunderestimate?
[10:22:32] <justanotheruser> $cl
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[10:22:37] <Elegrant> xeno, you do not have to enjoy
[10:22:40] <justanotheruser> $ti us_political_brawl
[10:22:40] <IrcBook> Claim: us_political_brawl. Highest bid: None, lowest ask: 10.
[10:36:04] <justanotheruser> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/single-father-widower-thanks-colleagues-work-overtime-son-leukaemia-colleagues-donated-overtime-a8247421.html
[10:36:05] <subtitle> [ Widower father thanks colleagues who worked 3,000 hours of overtime so he could look after sick son | The Independent ]
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[10:42:18] <penthief> Why is ##liberal invite only
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[10:53:16] <becky> good morning
[10:53:39] <penthief> When did freesay have a campaign to shut down ##conservative and is this why it shut down?
[11:02:38] <becky> what
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[11:04:57] <xeno> penthief: ##liberal is invite only? That's ironic, or would have been if the irony wasn't overused already
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[12:14:21] <pnint2> morning
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[12:39:16] <Taev> man im really loving this german song
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[13:18:15] <CoCKGoBBLeR> Kim jong un visited by trump in a few weeks
[13:18:17] <CoCKGoBBLeR> Woww
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[13:48:37] <Taev> http://definition.org/vintage-sexist-ads/17/
[13:48:37] <subtitle> [ Vintage Sexist Ads: Real-Life Ads From the 'Mad Men' Era ]
[13:48:42] <Taev> wow that is disgusting
[13:48:48] <Taev> i cant even laugh at that
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[13:57:35] <Xenolith> luckily culture changes
[13:57:53] <Taev> bwahahah 1894 Advice to Young Brides - At this point, dear reader, let me concede one shocking truth. Some young women actually anticipate the wedding night ordeal with curiosity and pleasure! Beware such an attitude! A selfish and sensual husband can easily take advantage of such a bride. One cardinal rule of marriage should never be forgotten: GIVE LITTLE, GIVE SELDOM, AND ABOVE ALL, GIVE
[13:57:55] <Taev> GRUDGINGLY. Otherwise what could have been a proper marriage could become an orgy of sexual lust.  On the other hand, the bride’s terror need not be extreme. While sex is at best revolting and at worse rather painful, it has to be endured,
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[13:58:25] <ShakespeareFan02> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43352078
[13:58:26] <subtitle> [ Florida shooting: NRA sues as Florida enacts gun-control law - BBC News ]
[13:58:36] <Taev> oh noes sex is revolting
[13:58:38] <Taev> fuck the NRA
[13:58:49] <Taev> they should do the world a favor and shoot themselves
[13:59:49] <ShakespeareFan02> Taev: I would rather see someone sue the NRA
[14:00:20] <Taev> that would be interesting
[14:00:29] <Taev> sue them as culpable for enabling school shooters
[14:01:12] <ShakespeareFan02> My argument would be that they had the option to contest the new Flordia law at State level
[14:01:36] <ShakespeareFan02> But apprently want to take it Fedral to make a point
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[14:03:04] <ShakespeareFan02> Taev: My reasons for opposing for Flordia's gun control law would be that it increases risk in schools not diminishes it
[14:03:17] <ShakespeareFan02> which is different argument entirely
[14:03:22] <Taev> im against the arming the teachers part
[14:03:27] <ShakespeareFan02> Agreed
[14:03:27] <Taev> but that just says they can
[14:03:35] <Taev> not all schools will do it
[14:03:43] <Taev> and it was either that
[14:03:45] <Taev> or nothing
[14:04:01] <Taev> politics is the art of the possible and the NRA is making it all but impossible to get any real reform
[14:04:11] <Taev> Wayne LaPierre said "we hate freedom"
[14:04:18] <Taev> he s the NRA president
[14:04:21] <ShakespeareFan02> There will not be meaningful gun control in the US
[14:04:33] <ShakespeareFan02> until there's another 'spectacular' :(
[14:05:12] <Taev> probably not even then
[14:05:20] <ShakespeareFan02> Hopefully there will be shift in culture.
[14:05:42] <ShakespeareFan02> I've already heard that YouTube is pulling 'gun' related content because of advertiser pressure
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[14:09:27] <ShakespeareFan02> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43352073
[14:09:29] <subtitle> [ 'Pharma Bro' Martin Shkreli sentenced to seven years - BBC News ]
[14:09:53] <ShakespeareFan02> What a shame the forfieture didn't include his rights to the drugs that were being price hiked
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[14:14:20] <modulus> As someone pointed out, jack up the price of drugs people need to live, it's fine; mess with investors, and it gets real.
[14:14:53] <ShakespeareFan02> modulus: because if the investors are beign shafted it's immoral
[14:14:55] <ShakespeareFan02> ;)
[14:15:13] <ShakespeareFan02> Yes.. That's makes economic logic
[14:21:20] <_kmh_> beware of ze economic logic i say
[14:22:27] <coffeeguy> the story of robin hood doesn't end well in real life
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[14:23:19] <xeno> morning all
[14:23:34] <coffeeguy> Taev did you see this https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/03/09/police-respond-to-reports-of-gunfire-and-hostages-taken-at-california-veterans-home/?utm_term=.86fc9c812774
[14:23:35] <subtitle> [ Yountville veterans home: Gunman and 3 hostages dead after shootout - The Washington Post ]
[14:23:53] <xeno> _kmh_: economic logic?
[14:23:53] <coffeeguy> shooter was being treated there for ptsd
[14:24:21] <HypothesisFrog> Are we pro or anti gun?
[14:24:35] <xeno> _kmh_: I see economic principles, wishes and morality - but not much that would qualify as logic - in politics at least
[14:25:01] <xeno> _kmh_: it's just too unknown, too incomprehensible for the masses, and not beneficial for politicians to focus too much on
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[14:25:09] <HypothesisFrog> Is there a causal link to present day application of the second amendment?
[14:25:36] <coffeeguy> HypothesisFrog: are you Peacefrog?
[14:25:39] <xeno> HypothesisFrog: we are nothing - and IMO it's bad to say "we" when it comes to opinions, wishes or whatever
[14:26:20] <coffeeguy> we the people?
[14:26:27] <xeno> there's no we the people
[14:26:40] <ShakespeareFan02> I thought the second ammendment had a comma
[14:26:45] <HypothesisFrog> coffeeguy: I'm not that one. Why? Is he a really good home
[14:26:49] <coffeeguy> i think that line is in a famous usa docutment hehe
[14:26:52] <HypothesisFrog> Person?
[14:27:02] <xeno> coffeeguy: yeah, I know
[14:27:05] <kitties> https://www.yahoo.com/news/vladimir-putin-says-will-destroy-world-nuclear-weapons-russia-threatened-140107037.html
[14:27:06] <subtitle> [ Vladimir Putin says he will destroy the world with nuclear weapons if Russia is threatened ]
[14:27:20] <kitties> bluster?
[14:27:25] <kitties> or srs bsns ;__;
[14:27:28] <HypothesisFrog> xeno: sorry
[14:27:36] <xeno> coffeeguy: history is full of formulations like that - and sometimes (like in that document), they are useful - but in general, it's a misleading phrase
[14:28:07] <HypothesisFrog> Is anyone threatening Russia?
[14:28:33] * xeno shakes his fist in direction of Russia, stating "leave the kitties alone, or else..."
[14:28:35] <xeno> now there i s
[14:28:44] <coffeeguy> Putin just had a former spy poisoned maybe he's getting red phone calls
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[14:29:12] <HypothesisFrog> I imagine all the surrounding nations and former satellite states joining NATO is a bit threatening
[14:29:27] <ShakespeareFan02> coffeeguy: There's no conclusive evidence released, as the Uk authorities want to be really really sure
[14:29:42] <coffeeguy> aah ok ShakespeareFan02
[14:29:47] <xeno> HypothesisFrog: meh, all nations are theatened all the time
[14:30:16] <HypothesisFrog> coffeeguy: a former FSB guy, who defected, thinks that Putin wouldn't have been involved.
[14:30:20] <ShakespeareFan02> Putin's comment worrying as it is, isn;t too different from some of the language the UK was using when Trident renewal was an issue
[14:30:45] <HypothesisFrog> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-10/intellectual-property-theft-not-steel-and-aluminum-is-the-real-/9531176?pfm=ms
[14:30:46] <subtitle> [ Intellectual property theft, not metal, is the real trade war in US sights and it's a much bigger worry - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ]
[14:31:00] <ShakespeareFan02> The UK was at one point seriosuly considering using lo-yield nukes as a response against a state backed chemical attack by a Non nuclear state
[14:31:55] <ShakespeareFan02> Which is something I can't recall the US or Russia ever stating as potential doctrine
[14:32:10] <HypothesisFrog> A hypothetical state backed chemical attack or an actual one ShakespeareFan02 ?
[14:32:23] <ShakespeareFan02> HypothesisFrog: If there was an actual attack
[14:32:45] <ShakespeareFan02> Then the UK militatry would have had the option to use a single warhead
[14:32:46] <xeno> ShakespeareFan02: it's also redundant - I mean, what else would they have their largest thermonuclear weapons for?
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[14:32:58] <HypothesisFrog> Were they anticipating one?
[14:33:01] <ShakespeareFan02> ..against the capital of the rouge state concerned
[14:33:13] <ShakespeareFan02> HypothesisFrog: This was just post 9/11
[14:33:25] <HypothesisFrog> Wawkay
[14:34:53] <ShakespeareFan02> Previously the UK, had stated that a mass use of chemical warfare would be met with a proportionate response
[14:35:46] <HypothesisFrog> Nuclear weapons are pretty scary
[14:35:47] <ShakespeareFan02> Xeno: Trident's purpose is a 'detterent'
[14:36:04] <xeno> ShakespeareFan02: it's not deterring anything without a credible threat that it will be used
[14:36:12] <ShakespeareFan02> Quite
[14:36:15] <xeno> ShakespeareFan02: Putin saying so doesn't qualify as credible btw
[14:36:42] <xeno> ShakespeareFan02: typically you set up scenarios where you have no other choice to make such retaliations credible
[14:37:01] <HypothesisFrog> Russia must be such a shithole
[14:37:17] <ShakespeareFan02> Trident isn't much of a detterent according to some people though
[14:37:22] <xeno> ShakespeareFan02: it's why the US has placed a bunch of soldiers around in eastern Europe and such - human shields, so that if Russia attacks, too many Americans will die and public opinion will dictate a response
[14:37:23] <HypothesisFrog> No offence. I'm happy to be proven wrong.
[14:38:02] <HypothesisFrog> It's got the same GDP as Australia, but 10x the population
[14:38:28] <HypothesisFrog> So presumably, 1/10 the GDP per capita.
[14:38:55] <ShakespeareFan02> Trident works as a deterrence based on cold-war thinking
[14:39:20] <ShakespeareFan02> And to some extent might work against state-backed non-nuclear WMD threats
[14:39:22] <HypothesisFrog> The only reason it's a military superpower is because they spend 1/3 of their GDP on defence
[14:39:56] <ShakespeareFan02> However, fanatics don't necessarily conform to rational models
[14:40:55] <HypothesisFrog> It ranks 135 on the corruption performs
[14:41:22] <HypothesisFrog> Russia tasks 135 on the corruption index. Lower than Thailand.
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[14:42:05] <ShakespeareFan02> Arguably the PRC is more of a concern than Russia
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[14:42:29] <HypothesisFrog> It's a backward, corrupt, third world country with enough nuclear weapons to destroy the world multiple times
[14:43:05] <ShakespeareFan02> HypothesisFrog: Russia isn't Third world
[14:43:30] <xeno> HypothesisFrog: which way does the ranking go? immediately, it seems good to be low on a corruption ranking
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[14:44:45] <HypothesisFrog> Xeno,ok sorry. Ranking _worse_ than Thailand, which is 96
[14:45:20] <macrobat> putin telling oligarchs: I want half
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[14:46:28] <HypothesisFrog> ShakespeareFan02: it must be close. GDP per capita of $8000. Vietnam us $5000.
[14:47:51] <macrobat> in russia oligarchs, mafia, intelligence, and media melded
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[14:55:20] <ShakespeareFan02> macrobat: Well, in any corrupt system, everyone wants their cut
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[14:57:40] <macrobat> vertical integration of crime http://www.ecfr.eu/publications/summary/crimintern_how_the_kremlin_uses_russias_criminal_networks_in_europe
[14:57:42] <subtitle> [ Crimintern: How the Kremlin uses Russia’s criminal networks in Europe | European Council on Foreign Relations ]
[14:58:50] <kunwon1> pg penthief
[14:58:54] <kunwon1> stupid keyboard
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[14:59:50] <macrobat> they should have predictive, do-what-I-mean keyboards.
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[15:04:54] <baraba> kunwon1, can i ask a question without getting banned?
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