Rae4:34 PM
hi
hi guys
PhaZen4:35 PM
Hey
Triggirhape4:35 PM
So, I'm in the middle of typing a response to a potential client with Interr for some website work, so that's why I'm not just hoppign into voice.
Rae4:35 PM
i invited them
Triggirhape4:36 PM
But I'll wait for the remainders of the invitees.
Gearz4:36 PM
aight
nbd
PhaZen4:38 PM
Alright so, the general idea i think we have is to get the ball rolling on our new guild so we can be prepared for BFA.
Idk how serious inter was about giving up Hysteria and you guys didnt really comment so i felt like you didnt want to.
Which is completely fine.
Triggirhape4:41 PM
So, I was thinking about something that I assume is why you might be asking what you just asked Rae.  There's an issue with sitting around at 8:05 with 19 people in raid.  But now that the conversation has been had about Interr/Rae/Trigs goals (Though we've yet to get to talk directly to gearz, not that it is obviously a secret to him, but I think rae interr and I still need to have a private conversation with gearz and slowz sometime soon).

We need to recruit, and when I say we I guess I mean you guys and not we as in who's been an officer.

I don't think Rae or I are opposed to giving up Hysteria.  I do have different personal feelings about being just another casual in a guild than interr expressed, but it boils down to missing the convenience of free-for-all access to a gbank for personal use whenever I need.  And also being able to just !@#$ing kick some retard like I've been able to do for like 8 years straight now.
Gamble4:42 PM
I mean if you guys want to continue raiding we should be giving up the guild. To me us not wanting to raid always meant stepping down as officers if the guild had people still willing to run it
when minar quit he passed gm because we still wanted to raid
and thats what should be happening here
I feel like if the gbank is trigs issue just make a special rank for us and make 1 tab that only we have access to i dunno?
doesnt really matter to me
Triggirhape4:43 PM
That said, I know that rae and I weren't really ever planning to actually hand the keys over until we were actually done, which should be another 3-4 months.  But that runs afoul of maintaining the guild for that 3-4 months and building it up for BFA itself.
And I'm not stating that's some hard fact, just spilling out all the thoughts I've had.
Because I was thinking about that last night, and thinking about how it doesn't work with you guys continuing, and wantign to build something for BFA.
Rae4:44 PM
I of the same mind as trig concerning handing it over, gbank, etc. but i wasn't passing it on (if that's what i decided) until i was finished raiding
Gamble4:45 PM
I mean we're either done raiding now if u dont pass it on or u pass it on and let them build for BFA while we finish farmign argus
Rae4:46 PM
me, inter, trig, slowz and gearz need to have a conversation, with that said let's assume we're passing on the guild or w/e trigs right there needs to be recruitment, i'm assuming everyone still wants to kill argus again
and not just for slowz?
it's easily a thing to promote 2 people to officers and let them start building it up
Gamble4:47 PM
I just think its a bad idea for them to be recruiting for bfa and then all these new guys see the gm and 2 officers demoted right before bfa
Rae4:47 PM
i havent been in control of the raid team the entire time
Gamble4:47 PM
if we arent helping them with the guild anymore at this point
why do we need gm and officer status
Rae4:47 PM
i made a promise to minar, when i was handed the guild to be honest i promised him i would give it back and i never intended to do that because let's be honest he sucked
Gearz4:48 PM
apologies i just got back
Gamble4:48 PM
seems selfish to want to remain in control/power whatever you wanna call it until you quit if you already have quit on doing anything for the guild is what im saying. If you no longer have any plans to recruit or whatever I feel like now is the time
Rae4:49 PM
one reason i dont just go ahead and give it over is because people still ask me for things from the gbank, for their issues with other raiders, i dont do the raid team but i do their !@#$%^& HR crap when they get pissy with another raider
i have no issue handing it over is what i'm getting at
Gamble4:50 PM
which would and should no longer be your problem
Rae4:50 PM
yeah it never should been but thats what people do for some reason
even before i ever became gm or officer
PhaZen4:53 PM
So we've been discussing this alot recently(Gearz, Kontact and I) and i just want to let you guys know where we stand. Right now, we're thinking about 1-2 weeks starting our own guild or taking over Hysteria, not because any of you but we have to establish ourself and start recruiting for what we don't have. We all agree, keeping Hysteria would be far more beneficial than making our own, but also agree that it would have to be a complete transition of power in the guild, and soon. I completely understand that you guys are very sentimental towards the guild and you enjoy the benefits of being an officer of it. Which is why, me personally, just wanted to avoid asking you guys to do that, because it's bringing up an awkward conversation i could just avoid.
Gamble4:55 PM
What do you gain by holding it when we are done with progression and you wont be progression raiding anymore. Do you not see how it looks bad for new recruits if right before bfa launches 2 officers and the gm get demoted to casuals and are done raiding
Triggirhape4:56 PM
I'm not sure hwo the optics change between today or pre-patch.  Its the same either way, officers are doen raiding and stepping down when they quit raiding.
But that's not really relevant to the conversation either way.
Gamble4:56 PM
its different because those new players would be recruited into a guild run by them instead of us
and people may see leaders quitting at the end of the expansion and jump ship themselves
Triggirhape4:58 PM
I mean you'd have to be totally oblivious to not know that like this week too, but liek I said I don't think that's all that relevant to the conversation, just a scenario.
So far i've just been sharing my feelings.
And my thoughts obviously havn't been to far off, like I said starting this covnersation out I was pretty sure I'd arrived to some of the same conclusiosn they've been getting at.
And its really what phazen just said
Gamble4:59 PM
At the end of the day it boils down to this. Do you want hysteria to be done raiding in 2 weeks or do you want to farm until bfa with them leading the guild because thats the option
Triggirhape4:59 PM
rae and I aren't tot he same poitn as you
as far as letting go.
Gamble4:59 PM
so you would rather let the guild just die?
Triggirhape4:59 PM
You've been over it since we stopped ten man raiding.
Gamble4:59 PM
thats cool
Triggirhape4:59 PM
What?
I havn't said that at all.
Gamble5:00 PM
They are starting their new guild in 2 weeks or you guys are giving it up. Theyre not being unreasonable when they are the ones that have to run the guild from here on out
Triggirhape5:01 PM
I understand that, I don't think I've said one way or another what I've decided about that?  Just talked about what's been on my mind ragarding all this.
And wanted to see what had been on their minds.
KingKontact5:05 PM
I personally do not want you guys to feel forced to give up the guild, I think the main issue right now is that with the different trajetories in interest there are some conflicting opinions on the way it should play out, and where it will go from here.
the last thing i want to do/wanted to do was push someone into a place where they are uncomfortable, but the time has come/is coming for people to start making decisions for the next expansion.  we don't have the luxury (or curse) of time that was had in wod, we literally don't even have enough time to get everyone in raid an argus mount
Triggirhape5:07 PM
how the !@#$ am I supposed to ML one to myself if im not an officer
PhaZen5:07 PM
Regardless of what you guys decide to do, everyone enjoys raiding with you, and all of you would be given an opportunity to raid if you change your minds about raiding. Whether it's Hysteria or a new guild.
and if you choose to raid the rest of legion and not bfa, personally idc.
Triggirhape5:08 PM
Well that's the thing, like  I hadn't thought this this far through before when I said to myself "I want to be done", and I'd just started to think it through this far last night.  But like I'm not interested in not raiding until like its the actual expac.
At the very least, I want a mount, its why I mythic raid.
But I mean I'm just right now coming to terms internally that this is just how it is.
Gamble5:09 PM
is this the officer team btw then? kontact phazen gearz slowz?
PhaZen5:09 PM
slowz wont be
idk if kontact wants to be i havent asked him
Gamble5:10 PM
slowz doesnt want to be an officer anymore?
PhaZen5:10 PM
slowz is getting demoted
Triggirhape5:10 PM
We need to hand the guild over to a different team now if they want to keep the raid teaming going for the remainder of the expac and through BFA.
Gamble5:10 PM
by you 2 or because he wants to be?
PhaZen5:11 PM
Kontact said it the other day, slowz is a hard worker and will put in time for the guild, but he is not a good leader.
You guys might see it differently because you're officers as well. But as raiders, no one respected slowz in a raid leading role or anything he did as an officer.
Slowz told me that he didn't want to be an officer, but maybe a "healing officer"
aka assigning heals.
Gamble5:18 PM
I mean I don't think slowz would care at all not being an officer, but it just sounds !@#$ty saying hes getting demoted I guess. He gets overly frustrated, but people not respecting him is kinda bull %^&*
you can think hes not the best motivator and still respect him leading a fight and alll the work he put in behind it
PhaZen5:20 PM
I feel like he shouldn't be raid leading, i do respect the effort he has put into the guild and raids. But, i feel like you guys don't really know how the raiders feel about current officers.
Triggirhape5:21 PM
I think that statement can be more broadly put than that.  Everyone thinks soem !@#$ about everyoen in this guild.
PhaZen5:21 PM
You're right.
Triggirhape5:21 PM
YOu can go talk to 15 different people and get 15 different answers on whos bad/they dont like
Gamble5:21 PM
I just asked 15 people and they all said trig
KingKontact5:22 PM
same
PhaZen5:22 PM
🤔
Gamble5:23 PM
So let me ask you this then
was this new guild/hysteria under new leadership happening whether we commited to BFA or not?
just curious
Like if I said right now
I'm raiding in BFA and will committ to running the guild
I would be told no?
PhaZen5:25 PM
Can't say for sure, but it all started from you guys just not caring for the game anymore and to top it off, the 3 of you told us you're done with raiding.
this is my opinion
If you told us this now? i have no !@#$ing clue because we've already put alot of time into this new guild.
KingKontact5:26 PM
i will say personally if you had actually been committed to running the guild like you are capable of there would not have been descension
Gamble5:27 PM
a lot of time? we didnt say until last week we werent raiding in bfa
PhaZen5:27 PM
huh? i've known this for months.
Gamble5:27 PM
I'm not mad or anything this is all hyopthetical to me
PhaZen5:27 PM
at least a month
Gamble5:29 PM
At the end of the day its your guys' decisions to make on whos what in the new guild. I dunno if its gearz or phazen that is planning to be the GM
KingKontact5:35 PM
at the moment the tentative plan is to have phazen as gm, gearz and i as officers, and we're going to go from there
Rae5:48 PM
have any of you talked to slowz?
like does he know he'll be demoted?
i dont want to hand over the guild until i get a chance to talk with him
PhaZen5:50 PM
yea slowz and i already had a conversation
but it was about the new guild not staying in hysteria
Gamble5:51 PM
Are you open to us havign some m+ rank/!@#$ter rank whatever and having a gbank tab? just useful for m+ to have stuff stored in that we wouldnt want other raiders to take our stuff
cause thats what we're doing for bfa
we're playing and im pushing m+ hard
PhaZen5:51 PM
i personally don't care. i didn't pay for the bank tabs.
Rae5:53 PM
but you'll be gm and i'm assuming gearz would still be raid lead
PhaZen5:53 PM
qyrix or gearz
we havent had that convo
Gearz5:53 PM
the raider !@#$ tab is perfect to be transformed into M+ tab
same concept
Rae5:53 PM
i mean i didnt pay for the tabs either lol
Gamble5:53 PM
yeah i didnt think it would be a big deal
just makes it easier on us
cause im still gonna be playing
I just dont wanna commit to having to raid at certain days/times anymore
PhaZen5:54 PM
yea i mean if you guys want a personal tab no one else has access to idc
Gamble5:55 PM
I also demand a rank for apu to be unable to talk in gchat
actually put trig there too
i can get anything we need out for m+
and im tired of his !@#$
PhaZen5:56 PM
one thing you guys have to realize is we're going to be demoting players and inviting ones you may not like.
Gamble5:56 PM
I'm making rae demote me
you dont get the honor
PhaZen5:56 PM
lol
Rae5:57 PM
demoting him to rae's !@#$%
Gamble5:57 PM
I mean as long as its not shaly/olson idc
i already know u are inviting vorky
i think its a bad idea but not my call
Rae5:58 PM
agreed
he's a drama maker fyi
PhaZen5:58 PM
we know
vorkys main problem is slowz
and i already talked to both of them
Rae6:00 PM
no, vorky's main problem is he's a drama llama and it wouldn't matter if it was slowz or anyone else
Gamble6:00 PM
I mean that was the main problem that led to him leaving which if you recall we didnt kick him or force him to leave we wanted him to stay
PhaZen6:01 PM
rae he doesnt start !@#$ in his new guild, what do you make of that?
Gamble6:01 PM
didnt he get benched in the guild he transferred to?
Rae6:01 PM
i dont think he's been outted yet is what i think
PhaZen6:01 PM
Not talking about that guild
Gamble6:01 PM
or is he in a new one
Rae6:01 PM
or he's more sneaky about it
PhaZen6:01 PM
He's in a prog guild atm.
Rae6:02 PM
i've been in healer chat with him, he's whispered me before trying to "talk"
so that's what i make of it
he is a trouble maker, i'm not saying he's a bad healer, he's pretty damn good, i'm saying his attitude for other people sucks !@# sometimes
*toward not for
Gamble6:03 PM
Like I said though thats your guys' decision. Shaly/olson were the only 2 i ever really had a problem with
PhaZen6:04 PM
bro i think everyone can agree shaly and olson no matter how good they are, are not good for a guild.
KingKontact6:04 PM
shaly and olson will never be here
Gamble6:04 PM
idc if u inv vorky priest whoever i really dont have a problem with any of them
PhaZen6:04 PM
I'm not putting stake in priest or gambler.
if they want to join idgaf
Gamble6:07 PM
I would of said inu too but no one liked him so that was never happening
PhaZen6:07 PM
I'm sure you guys will get a kick out of our new hours
8:30PM-12:00PM Mon, Tues, Wed.
Rae6:08 PM
soooo you're actually starting at 9? :P
PhaZen6:08 PM
guess who else has those hours 🤔
Yea that's one thing rae that we're going to stress, is showing up 15 minutes before raid will get you a spot before anyone else.
And there will be a revolving door once we get established.
Gamble6:10 PM
yeah i mean if i wanted to raid this expansion i would of ended that !@#$ a while ago
PhaZen6:10 PM
Honestly, the guild has gotten lazy, and has been getting lazy for a few tiers.
Gamble6:11 PM
yeah which is why I need stop
If I'm not going to do that !@#$ cause i dont wanna raid i just need to step down and not raid
i didnt really wanna play legion but dh seemed fun and that drew me in
PhaZen6:13 PM
I'm not innocent either, i've been showing up at 8:00 or even after.
Alot of it does have to do with my dog, but some of it's not.
Rae6:25 PM
so hypothetical question
KingKontact6:25 PM
no soup
Rae6:25 PM
if its handed over in a week are you changing the raiding times instantly or changing them in bfa?
Triggirhape6:25 PM
or a third option, when you have the people who its an issue for repalced
Rae6:25 PM
i shouldnt say if
i should say when
i'm just waiting to talk to slowz at this point so he doesnt come back from china demoted and having to put vorky on ignore lol
Gamble6:27 PM
are u swapping to monday purely for qyr btw? cause that was widely agreed upon that everyone preferred thursday
Rae6:27 PM
^^
KingKontact6:27 PM
the raid times have been discussed extensively, and yes initially it was for qyrix
Rae6:28 PM
it was easier for a lot of people to make thursdays over mondays
Triggirhape6:29 PM
I'll always think the bigges thing for mon vs. thurs is that continuity of progression.
PhaZen6:29 PM
qyrix is the main reason for monday
maybe i should link you the discord so you can see how much we've already put into this guild.
Because you're going over stuff we've already touche don.
touched*
Triggirhape6:30 PM
Yeah, I mean, i wasn't meanign to get into your times
We were just wodnering for our own sakes
whent he transitionw ill happen
Rae6:30 PM
honeslty i'm not concerned with how much you've put into it, i'm just wondering when it'd be implimented
PhaZen6:31 PM
Basically it came between two times. 9:30-12:30 tues-thurs and 8:30-12:00 mon-weds
Either we lose cryll for monday because he works 24 hours that day(which he says he wont miss mondays...) or we lose ent, slowz and 1 other i can't think of.
Gearz6:32 PM
apu
PhaZen6:32 PM
yea apu
Gearz6:32 PM
cause he wants to play with his bro
Rae6:32 PM
if you impliment mondays as soon as you get the guild, it's not that i can't, its just really hard also idk about raiding until midnight tbh
so thats why i'm asking
if its something that'll happen right away or if its something for bfa
Gearz6:33 PM
yeah I was thinking about it myself when you said it
would prolly happen relatively quickly
so as to recruit for those times
PhaZen6:33 PM
yea it wouldn't make sense to keep the same times if we're inviting the people that we changed them for.
Gearz6:34 PM
as far as instantly that depends on 2-3 ppl
so it would either be right away or after a week or 2
Rae6:36 PM
Well Trig and I can say as our conclusion to this conversation that we understand and agree a transition needs to happen sooner rather than later.  We'd still like a week or so, I'd especially like to have a conversation with slowz without 500ms before I do anything.  But I can commit to having started a transition before the May 1st reset.
PhaZen6:38 PM
I think that's fair.
Triggirhape6:38 PM
I think you guys also get the beenfit of a few days of solidifying plans from this perspective, I imagine most of your plans should be easily adapted to transitioning hysteria to phazen versus starting a new guild.
But, I think there's also some things to hash out amongst everyone here.
So the time will let us do that
Gearz6:39 PM
I'm not sure his internet is that bad, since he is raiding
but aside from that I understand that having another reset is understandable
but starting the transition means?  just doing all of it
I was considering myself if we should give everyone a week or 2 notice
Triggirhape6:40 PM
It means promoting Phazen to GM of Hysteria
Gearz6:41 PM
oh okay was just clarifying whatcha meant by that
Triggirhape6:41 PM
Well and thats part of the time and one of the things we all need to hash out
is an announcment and when
im sure it sno secret to plenty
but i think its best to just put it forward with some thought
Gearz6:42 PM
Pretty sure only 2-4 ppl don't realize at this point
Triggirhape6:42 PM
rather than letting people get it all through the rumor mill, make for a cleaner thing and keeps people from getting skittish.  because the whole point of this is maintaining the raid, since that's all been our goal this whole time.
Gearz6:42 PM
Everythings basically ready to role outside recruiting for the future
Rae6:43 PM
oh idk if you guys plan on keeping zice, but last i talked to him he was making feasts for the guild and he'd grab mats off the AH and keep a tally and i'd just give his gold back to him once he hit a certain amount owed so you might want to check in with him on that
Triggirhape6:43 PM
also lets you guys go through with the time change in an orderly fashion
Rae6:43 PM
i know it at the start of argus he'd been talking mats with me
Gearz6:43 PM
yeah I've talked with him about cooking and what not, all of argus i had been either fishing for or buying DMF feasts
so he had some !@#$ saved up
Rae6:44 PM
need to see if he's owed for any mats he's bought
Gearz6:44 PM
in terms of mats that need to be repaid for which i can dew
i think he does have some amount yeah
Rae6:44 PM
well he'd just ask for it when he got around 100k worth
Gearz6:44 PM
don't think its a ton
PhaZen6:45 PM
If the concern is Zice, he's in.
Gearz6:47 PM
think it was moreso if he was owed for food mats
but yeah that will be sorted out
everything is mostly ready to go it's just wether or not we raid another lockout,  in terms of giving ppl a heads up
i think the new tanks really need to do the earlier bosses of mythic sooner rather than later, in terms of reclearing I think the focus was moreso going to be on stabilization initially and trialing a few people
stabilization includes the new times + leadership + gearing the alts/new mains as necessary for reclears
then it will get a lil more serious in terms of who is really going to go as hard as we would prefer from the amount that are coming from current raid
there may be some that were invited that think they want it, but don't realize the effort required and we will see how that goes
so yeah overall the focus is already on bfa and less on rekills and we're essentially ready to go
tbh when I was intially asked about reforming with the goal of going much harder for bfa, I was under the impression that you 3 wanted to kinda step away from mythic prog and do more M+ or other things in wow, so my intention had been to do some planning see what people i knew that might be interested in raiding a thicker schedule with different atmosphere
and then come tell yall about it, but apparently linkin or whoever said some !@#$ like day 2 of us looking into going harder for bfa
that being said a lot of people are already aware of the situation
and I'm good with saying something to the guild as a whole on discord and transitioning after this raid week or after next, that's my 2 cents
Gamble7:19 PM
How many people do u have ready to join outside of the guild?
Gamble7:25 PM
I guess I'm just concerned that I didnt think such a drastic transition was going to happen so fast. I had intended to raid the rest of the expansion because I and I assume a lot of the guild wanted to farm Argus
Argus being a non priority basically makes me unsure if i even want to raid right now