The grandeur of 'YangGang'

han--
YangGang! Get that 1k tonight Iowa
Sooner
yet he's been one to advance denying it
infspire
han--: Yang stated he would pardon Trump.
infspire
How do you feel about that?
infspire
I consider it instantly disqualifying.
han--
he said he might and did you read his reasoning?
13:33 Sooner
my question is: why does experience in the relevant field or profession matter in every facet of life except political office?
han--
“If you look at history around the world, it's a very, very nasty pattern that developing countries have fallen into, where a new president ends up throwing the president before them in jail,” Yang said on ABC’s “This Week.”
han--
“That pattern unfortunately makes it very hard for any party to govern sustainably moving forward with a sense of unity among their people,” he continued. “And so to me, America should try to avoid that pattern if at all possible.”
infspire
I did read his reasoning.
infspire
I thought it was terrible.
Sooner
the extreme lack of experience and qualification is what people wanted and we get trump
infspire
han--: In the United States, how many American presidents have we thrown in jail?
infspire
It's exactly zero, right.
han--
lack of experience mixed with extremely poor judgement is a bad combo
infspire
And so the US has no problem whatsoever -- from the actual data -- of over-punishing its politicians.
infspire
Do you agree?
Sooner
I mean, hell, I'd want a dog walker I hired to have at least walked a dog sometime in their life!
han--
right but he doesn't want that pattern to begin infspire
infspire
Noam Chomsky argued in 1990 that all post-war presidents would be executed if the Nuremberg Laws were applied to them.
infspire
han--: Would you agree our system is extremely biased towards not holding politicians for their crimes?
Sooner
yet we want a president who has never served in public office?
infspire
That is, the exact opposite of the fear Yang expressed in his sentiment.
infspire
Trump, for example, should obviously have already been indicted by federal court during his presidency.
infspire
That's not remotely a close call.
infspire
And he wasn't, because he's not being held accountable.
Sooner
the Senate is not a real jury
infspire
So, I agree there is one pattern in the world in some countries of over-punishing their former politicians -- true.
Sooner
and House impeachment is not a real indictment
infspire
There is another pattern of politicians absolutely getting away with every fucking thing under the Sun.
infspire
Which is where we're at.
infspire
In that context, to be concerned with excessive punishment of an obviously guilty president who has committed treason is 100% indefensible.
infspire
And it shows Yang is not up to taking the stances necessary to defend this nation's values.
infspire
In 2020, when Yang made that comment, American democracy has essentially collapsed, there's absolutely no rule of law for our top leaders, and we arguably have a monarch.
infspire
So says historian Jon Meacham.
infspire
To do what Obama did and just move the fuck on is incredibly damaging.
infspire
And is part of the reason why we got Trump.
Sooner
the absolute only thing to hold trump accountable would be the justice system (once Barr is gone)
infspire
A lot of the people attacking our country's values in the Trump administration should have been held accountable in the Obama administration.
infspire
But he literally gave a fucking pass on torturers because "they were under tremendous pressure".
Sooner
Manchin says he believes there is bipartisan support for censure of the president’s actions. “His behavior would not go unchecked by the Senate”
Sooner
bullshit Joe
infspire
That reasoning is used absolutely nowhere in a just society.
Sooner
Manchin
infspire
Trump will dramatically amplify his attacks on our country at this point.
Sooner
Manchin: "a bipartisan majority of this body would vote to censure"
Sooner
GOP senators have been rejecting this idea today.
Sooner
how many times can this asshat have it so wrong?
Sooner
censure? so he may vote to acquit thinking they'll vote on censure?
Sooner
god he's pathetic
Sooner
yeah Joe, we'll see that vote, sure
infspire
Manchin is a fuck up.
Sooner
all lies
Sooner
BLoomberg never asked for a damn box
Sooner
but that doesn't matter if trump goes around saying it
Sooner
Bloomberg won't be the nominee, but I hope he donates all that money to who is
Sooner
at this point I seriously doubt trump can live in NYC again
Sooner
and yes I'm talking about next January
han--
Rush Limbaugh just added an asterisk to the phrase "Fuck Cancer"
Sooner
like I said, good for him that he could afford the best health insurance
Sooner
it'd be great if everyone could
Sooner
yet he and people on that side have tried like hell to deny it
infspire
I look forward to Rush Limbaugh's death.
infspire
He is a bad person whose chief activity as a human for the last three decades has been to hurt millions of people.
infspire
Imaging that 'decency' requires you ignore that fact is an incredible form of gaslighting.
infspire
Right now there are thousands of people in detention facilities who are suffering more than Limbaugh.
Sooner
what I'm saying is the benefit he enjoys to have the best health care, he's fought like hell to deny others who can't afford it get access
infspire
Imagining*
infspire
Sooner: Of course that is true, as he is a bad person.
infspire
If the world looked like how he wanted it, not only would they not hope for speedy recoveries for their enemies, but they'd actively kill them.
infspire
It is not decent to wish such a person well.
infspire
"Well, this person is a guard at Auschwitz and has murdered a few dozen people this week, but I want to be decent, so get well soon, Nazi"
Sooner
Joe Manchin says he remains "undecided" on whether he will vote to acquit
Sooner
yeah, the gop senators won't go for a censure vote either
Sooner
fool's errand
Sooner
censure does nothing but just puts a label that he was censures...which they won't allow
Sooner
censured*
han--
if the dems trade something for censure...
Sooner
this is going nowhere
han--
pass the gop budget for a censure!
Sooner
uh no
Sooner
the son of a bitch should be convicted and removed
han--
he should be, but...
Sooner
but they won't
infspire
han--: Did I convince you with my argument?
infspire
You stopped responding.
infspire
Why don't we ever deserve a politician who says, "I'm gonna hold those sons of bitches accountable for every crime they did."
infspire
Warren has gone in that direction.
Sooner
lol if they shoot down witnesses....no way in hell they'll allow a censure vote
infspire
If politicians start going to jail, han--, future politicians will be less likely to engage in criminal behavior.
Sooner
well some have gone to jail, even lately
han--
nah you just type too much
han--
YangGang is coming for you
han--
1k/month defeats all rational arguments
Sooner
Ford pardoned Nixon, and Ford never won an election for president
13:58 han--
im going to take a 3 month sabattical and sell cars temporarily once everyone gets their 1k
infspire
han--: I put you on ignore, as you just revealed yourself to be pretty dumb.
infspire
Typing "YangGang" when a substantive view of your candidate is challenged with an extremely cogent argument reveals the entire movement is empty.
infspire
I mean, how dumb do you have to be to be attracted to a candidate because they're a rhyme phrase involved.
infspire
That's like literally 3-year old behavior.