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[15:26] <@Wackd> HeyHR. Hey max
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[15:26] <maxwellelvis> Hello.
[15:26] <@Wackd> Hey Tagg.
[15:26] <TaggIRC> Afternoon
[15:26] <@Wackd> A great evil has been reawakened.
[15:27] <@Wackd> nomuru2d got unbanned from TV Tropes.
[15:27] <maxwellelvis> Damnit.
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[15:27] <@Wackd> On the bright side, max, that means you probably have a shot.
[15:27] <maxwellelvis> Iiiiii don't think so.
[15:28] <@Wackd> It's been like a year, and it was a year and a half for him, and he was waaaaaaaaaay worse than you.
[15:28] <MousaThe14> That Campbell thing you said was hilarious, your teacher is.... I dunno, clueless?
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[15:28] <@Wackd> I don't think he pays attention to his own lectures half th time.
[15:28] <maxwellelvis> My politics seem to be at the exact opposite of Fighteer's, and I'd had like two strikes before getting banned at that time.
[15:28] <InbarFink> Hi there!
[15:28] <maxwellelvis> Hi there.
[15:28] <maxwellelvis> We're filling up quick today.
[15:28] <@Wackd> I blame the Gravity Falls quote.
[15:29] <MousaThe14> You got in a thing with Fighteer?
[15:29] <maxwellelvis> Two Thanksgivings ago.
[15:29] <maxwellelvis> 2014.
[15:29] <MousaThe14> Ah
[15:29] <@Wackd> How many strikes did nom have?
[15:29] <@Wackd> I kinda wanna check.
[15:29] <maxwellelvis> I got banned for getting mad in the Dragon Age thread.
[15:29] <ahr> also it's not only how worse you were
[15:29] <ahr> but the ratio
[15:29] <ahr> and what you did specifically
[15:29] <MousaThe14> Yeah, getting mad is a frequent one
[15:30] <ahr> nomuru2d, last I checked, only started to spiral once gg became a thing
[15:30] <maxwellelvis> A few hours after I appealed, Fighteer told me I wasn't the kind of person they wanted around the forums anymore.
[15:30] <MousaThe14> Exactly
[15:30] <MousaThe14> That was Nomuru's descent into awful
[15:30] <ahr> meanwhile I once cursed someone out directly on a thread, and didn't even get a suspension
[15:30] <maxwellelvis> Especially since this was my third strike.
[15:30] <MousaThe14> He's dead to me now 8D
[15:31] <InbarFink> What are you talking about?
[15:31] <@Wackd> Nomuru2d had TWENTY-SEVEN THUMPS.
[15:31] <ahr> that's it?
[15:31] <@Wackd> How many did you accumulate, max
[15:31] <maxwellelvis> A lot more than that.
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[15:31] <@Wackd> More than twenty-seven?
[15:31] <ahr> twenty seven isn't a lot
[15:31] <ahr> if you're a long term troper
[15:31] <@Wackd> The mod who banned nom seems to think it is.
[15:32] <ahr> especially if any of those were otc tropes
[15:32] <MousaThe14> Could be for minor stuff like being off topic
[15:32] <ahr> yeah
[15:32] <MousaThe14> Like in the  gender Roles in fiction thread
[15:32] <@Wackd> Oh, okay, it's RECENT thumps.
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[15:32] <ahr> plus previous offenders are way more likely to get rebanned
[15:32] <ahr> the leash is shorter
[15:32] <ahr> so to speak
[15:32] <Zarek> Hello!
[15:32] <MousaThe14> I got a few thumps because we went from gender to race in the topic
[15:32] <@Wackd> And they were apparently ALL for name-calling and "disruptive and rude behaviour that only drag down the level of conversation in the threads where you participate".
[15:32] <MousaThe14> It was no big
[15:32] <InbarFink> Oh, Zarek!
[15:32] <maxwellelvis> And I'd been banned in the past, at least once for completely legitimate reasons.
[15:33] <MousaThe14> Of course.
[15:33] <InbarFink> What happened to Lord Doomsunggles?
[15:33] <Zarek> Me!
[15:33] <Zarek> We died before he did. For all we know, he lives on.
[15:33] <MousaThe14> Hey Zarek
[15:33] <InbarFink> The most important info I've recived today
[15:33] <InbarFink> LONG LIVE LORD DOOMSNUGGLES
[15:34] <@Wackd> For those just joining us: nomuru2d has been unbanned from TV Tropes.
[15:34] <maxwellelvis> So yeah, chances are I'm never getting unbanned.
[15:34] <Zarek> Ah.
[15:34] <@Wackd> No harm in trying, max
[15:34] <InbarFink> Who's nomuru2d?
[15:34] <Zarek> ...we, uh. We don't like him, right?
[15:34] <MousaThe14> Nomuru got unbanned?!
[15:34] <MousaThe14> Is that what's going on?
[15:34] <ahr> yeah I follow the editbanned thread fairly closely
[15:34] <maxwellelvis> I think there is harm, Wackd.
[15:34] <@Wackd> nomuru2d was a guy we used to like and then GamerGate happened and made how fucking awful he is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more obvious.
[15:35] <MousaThe14> First of all I didn't know he was banned I made the reasonable assumption that we were too liberal for him and he left voluntarily
[15:35] <maxwellelvis> The mods in the appeals thread made it clear that they don't think I can be trusted to behave anymore.
[15:35] <Zarek> Woah, those happened at the same time? Jeez, my perspective of time is really warped.
[15:35] <@Wackd> That's what they said about nom, too.
[15:35] <maxwellelvis> Yeah, but my assholery wasn't always restricted to the forums.
[15:35] <@Wackd> Pulled the whole "if you were running a forum and someone else pulled this shit would you unban them" argument.
[15:36] <ahr> it helps that nom has been fairly polite on the edit banned thread
[15:36] <InbarFink> What caused the unban?
[15:36] <ahr> from what I can tell
[15:36] <ahr> in terms of appeals, he's been running a better one
[15:37] <Whowho> I've never recieved a ban on TV Tropes,and yet I've broaken so many rules, and often in contexts where it's clear I know I'm breaking the rules.
[15:38] <@Wackd> I too have never been banned.
[15:38] <@Wackd> Gotten a few thumps, though. I think I'm still in the single digits on those.
[15:38] <ahr> I am easily in double digits
[15:38] <Zarek> I'm a naturally anti-conflict person so. I think I maybe got, like, one thump? Can't remember what it was for.
[15:38] <ahr> but I've been on the forums since I was 16, and I'm 22 now
[15:38] <InbarFink> I haven't been banned, but I'm not really active
[15:38] <maxwellelvis> I also had probably over a hundred thumps.
[15:38] <MousaThe14> I don't get banned from anything
[15:38] <InbarFink> I didn't even know Thumps are a thing
[15:38] <MousaThe14> But that's because I'm s meek submissive rules dude
[15:39] <MousaThe14> I don't rock boats, I am the boat
[15:39] <ahr> see I'm surprised I haven't been banned
[15:39] <Whowho> Yeah, see I would easily understand people considering me and Wack'd 'Potential problem forum users' but not AHR in the least.
[15:39] <ahr> because I've been in a lot of argumetns with people over the years
[15:39] <ahr> but then again I've also defended the mods a lot
[15:39] <maxwellelvis> Because I'm a very confrontational person in a forum it seems.
[15:39] <ahr> like one time when madrugada was around she pmed me to personally thank me for defending them
[15:39] <MousaThe14> Yeah, Wack'd has a temper thing when social justice is involved. No offense man but your passive aggression is not subtle, you worry me sometimes
[15:39] <Whowho> That's nice AHR
[15:40] <TaggIRC> I've only gotten thumped once, and that was just for being offtopic.
[15:40] <ahr> yeah no, I appreciated because I was always under the impression madrugada was annoyed by me
[15:40] <InbarFink> In good TV Tropes news: "Chara is a girl because their realtionship with their adoptive sibling is TOO DEEP to be just friends" has being removed from the Undertale fanon entry
[15:40] <TaggIRC> Even though in my... less enlightened days I said things that would've gotten me banned now.
[15:40] <MousaThe14> Gross
[15:40] <Zarek> I try to not be passive aggressive but I fail like a motherfrudger.
[15:40] <ahr> because the fact of the matter is I basically grew up on tv tropes
[15:40] <MousaThe14> And stupid. What kind of entry is that
[15:40] <ahr> I have passive aggression down to an art
[15:41] <ahr> the key is to do it so you can always claim plausible deniability
[15:41] <ahr> and ignorance
[15:41] <maxwellelvis> Am I the only one here who has been banned then?
[15:41] <InbarFink> When TV Tropes does something that annoys me, I tend to just angrly glare at it, and bitch about it here
[15:41] <ahr> seems so
[15:41] <Whowho> I have a habbit of dictating the flow of threads; double posting, intentionally taking threads off topic, and keeping them off topic, raising problem topics of discussion, not disengaging with conversations while the thread asks for it to stop.
[15:42] <Whowho> And yet I've never been thumped, and I feel like that's a little un fair considering what other people get thumped for.
[15:42] <ahr> whowho: part of it is the attitude behind it
[15:42] <ahr> and what threads they are
[15:42] <ahr> like they go way more easy on yackfest threads
[15:42] <TaggIRC> I've double posted more than once in OTC, but I have the advantage of the things I double post for being actually relevant.
[15:42] <Zarek> I've gotten into arguments on TVT before but never anything that got VISIBLY heated. I got heated in a fight with Fighteer (heh) in the D&D thread but I don't know how VISIBLY heated I was. Like, I tried to at least type calmly.
[15:42] <ahr> otherwise I'd have been able to get a thump for one of the annoying assholes on it
[15:43] <MousaThe14> Max, I don't think you understand, I am a meek, practically lifeless mofo
[15:43] <ahr> oh damn
[15:43] <MousaThe14> I cannot get banned from anything
[15:43] <ahr> I've gotten you mad
[15:43] <ahr> what does that make me
[15:43] <ahr> the great buttons pusher
[15:43] <ahr> the supreme antagonizer
[15:43] <ahr> evil ahr incorporated
[15:43] <InbarFink> The person who edited that, also seem to have make "THE FANDOM IS PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE THEY HAVE TOO MANY POCs IN THE HUMAN AUS AND THE SEXUALITY HEADCANONS DON'T MAKE SENSE" a bit less hateble, but not by much
[15:43] <MousaThe14> Oh no I get mad very easily but I can manage that in a way so I don't get ban-worthy
[15:43] <TaggIRC> ^
[15:43] <InbarFink> At least the words "Special Snowflakes" were removed
[15:44] <maxwellelvis> I don't have that, Mousa.
[15:44] <ahr> ah s'fair
[15:44] <Zarek> Inbar: why were they there AT ALL?
[15:44] <ahr> I am basically good until I explode
[15:44] <ahr> but I've been able to lengthen my time until explosion
[15:44] <InbarFink> I dunno!
[15:44] <MousaThe14> I mean AHR used to annoy the hell out of me.
[15:44] <Whowho> I had one hed ache inducing conversation in the Undertale Thread recently, talking about why it's weirdthat the thread is so militant on insisting that it doesn't matter what gender identity Frisk have,
[15:44] <ahr> and figured out tactics to get visceral satisfaction and not come off as an ass
[15:44] <MousaThe14> But we were kids and pieces of crap
[15:44] <ahr> that we were
[15:44] <InbarFink> I'm always afriad of being pulled into an edit war
[15:44] <MousaThe14> We are now grown pieces of crap
[15:44] <ahr> that we are
[15:44] <Whowho> And I couldn't convince peoplethat non-binary people weren't the agressors in this flame war.
[15:44] <InbarFink> So I don't wanna touch that shit
[15:45] <Zarek> I'm pretty sure I used to be a bit of a dick in the Doctor Who thread.
[15:45] <maxwellelvis> They will never admit that in this sort of argument.
[15:45] <maxwellelvis> I was a dick in that thread, I think that's how I got banned once.
[15:45] <@Wackd> If you don't want to be marginalized it's YOUR FAULT AND YOU SHOULD SUCK IT UP
[15:45] <@Wackd> WHAT DO YOU MEAN I'M AGGRESSIVE I WAS FINE UNTIL YOU CAME IN WITH YOUR "TREAT ME LIKE A PERSON" BULLSHIT
[15:46] <TaggIRC> The Race thread makes me a second away from exploding sometimes, but I remember that if I do explode I'll be considered the "Bad Guy TM" and get pointlessly thumped.
[15:46] <Zarek> You have impressive self-control, Tagg. I am not that good.
[15:46] <Whowho> Like, people were saying the nb section of the undertale fandom was toxic, and i sked them what potential for toxisity such a small and outgunned subdeomgraphic could actually do;
[15:46] <Whowho> And the responce was;
[15:46] <Zarek> I stay WAY away from the OTC.
[15:46] <ahr> I mostly just remind myself that for its crap, tvt is still better than other places, and at least you can argue some of the more nitty gritty details
[15:46] <ahr> so long as you avoid the big concepts
[15:47] <Whowho> It would be bad for binary people to shut down other people for ignoring their identities, so it must be bad for nbs to do it too.
[15:47] <maxwellelvis> It's not the same tho.
[15:47] <TaggIRC> Yeah well I had to learn it in meatspace because when I was a kid I'd actually try hitting people in meatspace when they made fun of me or otherwise pissed me off in just the right way.
[15:47] <InbarFink> UUUUUURGH
[15:47] <Whowho> And, ehhh, I think that's true on some level, but it requires yu to be 'colour blind' and ignore the context of the situation.
[15:47] <ahr> watching the undertale thread now
[15:48] <ahr> this'll be fun
[15:48] <Zarek> Everything is equal! Everything should be treated the same! I should get a cast on my unbroken arm just like that dude over there got a cast on his broken arm! Why's he got special treatment just because his arm's broken?! I thought this was AMERICA.
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[15:48] <Whowho> This is why I identify as a femenist and not a equalitarian.
[15:48] <TaggIRC> But unlike back then, I can actually seriously hurt someone now, so I have to be remember not to lose it.
[15:49] <InbarFink> I think my thing is... I know I can be aggresive and argumantive like hell when I wanna, so nowadays I just avoid any confertaion before I hulk out
[15:49] <CorvusAtrox> Greetings
[15:49] <TaggIRC> Hey Crow.