Randy Credico "Live on the Fly" From London (09/05/2017)

Supplemental document for: "Theory that Roger Stone's back channel to Wikileaks was Randy Credico", link: https://wakelet.com/wake/2d352ae9-febe-44a1-a7bb-51674a2e4bf5

Transcript of relevant portion of "Live on the Fly Hosted by Randy Credico", Credico's part was recorded live from London after meeting with Julian Assange. Broadcast date: September 5, 2017.

Reggie Johnson is the station engineer. Lionel [Michael Lebron] is a long-time friend and associate of Credico.

Excerpt runs from 0:44 to 30:10.

File link: https://www.mediafire.com/file/g34jmeagxl5ey4d/wbai_170905_170002randyCrelof%20-%20day%20Credico%20had%20lunch%20with%20Assange.mp3

[show's theme, "The Third Man" theme by Anton Karas, fades out]

RANDY CREDICO
Alright. Well. Can you hear me, alright, Reggie?

REGGIE JOHNSON
I can hear you fine, there...Randy Credico.

CREDICO
Okay...I wanted to hear a little bit more of that music, but uh I'm getting a little nervous here, I'm calling in from London, folks. I have a packed show, and in case I fade out, Lionel will take over for me, but we'll keep calling back. I'm actually in London, I was in Scotland...Scotland for a couple of days...

JOHNSON
Wow.

CREDICO
You know our good friend, Reggie...uh Craig Murray, and his lovely wife, Nadira. [JOHNSON: Mmmmhmmm.] Who, both have been on my show, recently...Craig is the former U.K. ambassador to Uzbekistan, and his wife, Nadira is the film-maker, from Uzbekistan. I just had, probably the most refreshing two days of my life, in Edinburgh. What a beautiful city, the nicest people in the world.

JOHNSON
Nice.

CREDICO
And I'm serious. What a friendly city, to all. To all. And I gotta say, thank you very much Craig Murray, and Nadira Murray. For putting me up- I can't imagine anybody- Can you imagine that, two days putting up with me? [JOHNSON laughs] Can you imagine with my crazy, mental disease, that somebody put me up for two days? They were fantastic. Craig showed me around the city, showed me around uh this wonderful place where Adam Smith, and the fathers of the Scottish Enlightenment, which was the main Enlightenment [JOHNSON: Mmmhmmm] in Europe, in the 18th century. I guess, 17th century maybe. But David Hume said 17th century. It was so beautiful, these castles! And he's giving me the history of that city, and the friendliest people you have ever met, on the planet. [inaudible] in New York. So, on Saturday night, with Professor Kerr, who used to be a- E.U.- We're going to have him on the show, uhhhhhhhhhh- What do you call it, E.U. representative, Senator, or he was in the - He was in the parliament, E.U. parliament. Parliamentarian. So, once at Iowa State, he once did a year there [Credico often speaks disjointedly and the line shorts out sometimes - it's unclear why this sentence is so choppy]. And his lovely friend, Anna, and _the kid_, their kid's the most brilliant kid I've ever- He's eight years old, [JOHNSON laughs] and his vocabulary is like, double mine. So, between Craig, and his lovely wife, and the kid, was the most, the most interesting three days, or two and a half days - for them, it was probably very difficult, being around me [JOHNSON laughs]. But uh- But I gotta tell ya, Reggie, the dinner the- [line shorts out]

JOHNSON
Hello, Lionel? I mean, hello, Randy? [pause] Well, we have Lionel on the line. Just in case something like this to happen there. So: hey there, Lionel. Why don't you take it away?

LIONEL
Well, I'm standing by, and Reggie, of course, this is one of the dubious aspects of live radio, but as Randy was speaking, he was dealing with Mr. Assange and others, and I don't want to, in any way, steal the thunder from his important, important message. But there is something very very dangerous, that's going on in this country. And that is a war against, not Julian Assange, not Wikileaks, but against journalism. And we have to remind ourselves-

JOHNSON
And we have Randy back on the air right now.

CREDICO
And we have me back on. I didn't get to introduce you.

LIONEL
It doesn't matter, Randy, proceed, I'm standing by, think of me-

CREDICO
But I want to tell you, I want to introduce you, because just one- And you're probably going to have to take it from here. I want to give him, just one thing about. There's a lot of stuff I want to talk to you about, uh regarding Wikileaks. Because I had lunch today with Julian Assange. It was two and a half hours, and I am more committed to his cause, I learned so much. And anyone that meets him, that meets Julian Assange, one on one, will be the most...vivacious, uh unrelenting supporter of Julian Assange. What a brilliant and great man, of great sacrifice. I must tell you that, uh Lionel. What he has gone through. He is a journalist. As you said, he is a journalist. And he's a journalist that may piss people off, he's pissed people off around- And that's the difference between him...are you there still, Lionel?

LIONEL
I'm here, sir.

CREDICO
Alright, so- We were talking about this today, alright, it was just an informal conversation. It was nothing there- It was just an informal conversation, we had lunch and- Just, you know, talking. And, the difference was, I was trying to tell him, you're like the abolitionist journalists, and he said- "No, wait a second. Not really. Because abolitionists had people that supported them." Now, what he does - he may piss off people on the left, or right, Democrats, Republicans. Because he is a journalist, and his job is a journalist, is to _report_. He gets information, he puts it out there, and it may anger of various _crew_ of different entities [sic]. And that's the difference between him and an abolitionist or journalist, who only takes one side. He's not taking a side, here. You don't know if he's left or right, if he's conservative, Democrat or Republican, he's just a journalist, and he does what a journalist is supposed to do. Which is to give out information. You get that? [pause] Lionel?

LIONEL
I understand it exactly. And what people, they must understand, is that this latest attempt...by basically, adopting, in the last paragraph of the Intelligence Authorization Act, IAA, approved last month. The last sentence, was this kindof thorough way, comment as to Wikileaks, being a quote "non-state hostile intelligence service" - this is from Mike Pompeo. This is what's been called the Pompeo-

CREDICO
It's the exact same language, right?

LIONEL
That is exactly-

CREDICO
See, he [Assange, presumably] told me today, that it comes from a woman that used to work for the NSA, or for the CIA, that they grabbed the language from her, this woman that's like, is completely mad. She comes up with that language, she says, if you look it up, this woman, William says, Wikileaks is a hostile intelligence uh state controlled, or non-state controlled, but does work with state actors. The exact language that Pompeo used, and then they plagiarize- The House plagiarize or the Senate plagiarizes that language, and puts it into a bill- This is Orwellian. Am I not correct to say it's Orwellian?

LIONEL
Well, I think it's even worse than that. It's beyond that. What it does, is it mirrors the language of Mike Pompeo. In fact, I believe Mr. Assange, himself, called it "the Pompeo doctrine". Listen, Randy: I don't want to, just tell me, I know you're in a tight schedule, what is the difference-

CREDICO
No no, stay around with me, I'm gonna keep you around here. I'm gonna- I want you to stick around here, because this phone may die on me, I may- I want you to stick around. But I'm gonna talk about that, a little bit at length. I just want to, before I do that, I want to say, I'm in London, I'm at a place called the Z Hotel, and the Z Hotel, there's eight of them here, and...they gave me, they gave me an upgrade the other day, sixteen- two thousand dollar mattresses. It's so cheap to stay here. I mean, it really is so reasonable. I'm on a two thousand dollar mattress. You know how they talk about MyPillow [patented product]? Forget about MyPillow. This is the first time I've had a great night's sleep, and I sound like that guy from MyPillow [presumably, Mike Lindell, the head of the company], and I wake up eight hours, ten hours later, but it is absolutely the finest hotel I've been in. If you're in London, they are in Piccadilly, they are in SoHo, they are in Leicester Square, they're in Glasgow, they are in downtown London, I stayed at the downtown London one the other day. And the people are from Poland, they're from Italy, the women here are just- I spoke to a guy today, he says, this is the finest hotel, the people are the nicest. And I gotta tell ya something, Lionel, not [only] are they nice here, the _city_ is so civilized. I'm in subways, today, and yesterday, and people come up to you, who work there, and they tell you, which subway to take - it's called the tube or the underground. Which one to take, they actually break out a map, and they have people- They don't have that in New York. They don't even have subway clerks. They have...subway assistants here. That tell you exactly where to go, where to put the money in, take this line, the Piccadilly line, to the central line, or the other line, and you get down, like today, I went to Knightsbridge, which is where Assange is at the Ecuadorian embassy, I stopped at Harrods, I was with Emmy [Emmy Butin, long-time activist and supporter for Assange] and her friends, the vigil afterwards. For two and a half hours of light conversation today [with Assange], uh it was like something out of a Plato dialogue, with Socrates. That's how brilliant Julian Assange is. How important he is. And I really renewed my energy for him [sic]. And I got it from Craig Murray the other day too. Craig Murray, and his wife, Nadira, they treated me so nicely, and Murray, this is what I want to talk to you about, is that. Murray put out an article today, about North Korea ["Deterrence Believers Shoud Cheer the North Korean Bomb" link: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/09/deterrence-believers-shoud-cheer-north-korean-bomb/ ]. And you've been talking about North Korea, too, about this is not some like, Third World country, militarily. Right?

LIONEL
Oh, absolutely not.

CREDICO
Are you with me?

LIONEL
It might be-

CREDICO
I want to get to that in one minute, yes, that's another thing I want to talk to you about. Just one more comment, I want to thank the people next door, for giving this electronic cigarette, which I got next door here, uh on Fleet Street. And uh, it's Bill Kunstler's birthday, toda- not birthday, he died on this day, September 5th, Labor Day, 1995. And I'm kinda dedicating the show, and I know that you are a fan of his, and I think that, that we'll play something, Lionel, we'll come back, we'll talk about Kunstler, talk about Julian Assange, and we'll talk about North Korea, and all that. Can you just listen to this one little uh piece of uh- In case I fade out, you'll take over the show. But do you have that ready to go uh-

JOHNSON
Got it ready. Yeah, it's ready to go.

CREDICO
Alright, so, Lionel, this is a two minute pastiche, from the documentary by his two kids ["William Kunstler: Disturbing the Universe" imdb link: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1074194/?ref_=nv_sr_2 ], and we'll come back with you on the other side. Alright?

JOHNSON
Here we go.

[clip from "Disturbing the Universe", about the most abhorrent, unjust, and genocidal acts justified through the excuse of the law]

CREDICO
Wow. How great is that Lionel? You've worked the criminal justice system, is he on point there, Bill Kunstler?

LIONEL
Who...is...his...peer..._today_? Who is-

CREDICO
I don't know. Because we don't have anybody like him.

LIONEL
No, it does not exist. You know, it's so sad, Randy, that you have to spend so much time- Think about this: your show, is nothing but an exposition, and an exploration of the obvious. The obvious rights that we have, protections that we should have, what journalism is. What the constitution is. Think about it. It's sad...one day, you know you will have succeeded, when people say, "Yes, Randy, _we know_." And then you can go back to- Playing music, or poetry, or- It's sad, we have to remind ourselves, I can't say this enough. Julian Assange is a journalist. The New York Times took information that was _stolen_! Pentagon Papers, _stolen_. And given to the New York Times. They had absolutely one hundred percent right to do it. That's what journalists do. As long as you are not involved in the illegal taking or purloining or manucaption or retrieval or whatever, of the item. Once it is given to you, my god, it is called whistleblowing. We have legislation that actually rewards whistleblowers. With monetary damages. If you can show that you saved the government money, and how do you think these people do this? _By leaking_. It's called Wiki_leaks_, not Wiki_hacks_. And the reason why you have to both dismiss him and charge him [Assange], is that if there was not someone, if the Russians were not involved in the DNC leaks - which they were not...and as he was as close to you can possibly get, to say it was not _we_, _we did not do this_, but if it's, you name it, there was a certain Seth Rich argument that was out there [LIONEL was a very strong proponent of this foul lie], but either way, if you destroy the Russian narrative, there goes that story. Then that means that Hillary Clinton lost on her own. That means that there's no [CREDICO says something inaudible over this] sanctions, that the grand jury falls, everything. It's all predicated upon Wikileaks being the actor. And if they're not the actor, there goes the story. It's easy. It's obvious.

CREDICO
Well uh well, you're absolutely right there, but what I don't understand is, there are a lot of people who don't like Trump, whether you- For better or worse, I'm not a fan of his, but that's not the reason why he won. They want...as we know, we heard it from Bernie Sanders, is that [does the sub-standard Sanders impression that some family member annoys you with] "the Republicans didn't win this election, the Democrats lost this election," because they had a horrible candidate. Someone that couldn't beat Barack Hussein Obama, with those three names, in this racist country that we have, that that guy could beat Hillary Clinton, showed what a weak candidate she was.

LIONEL
But it also goes to show you that, remember: what do we want? When I say _we_, it's not the United States. It's not us, it's not Main Street, it's nooooo- It's either Deep State, a word that's being far too overused, call it Deep State, Shadow Government-

CREDICO
Yes, I know. You're right. It is being overused. It's getting hacky, right?

LIONEL
But understand a couple of things - look at North Korea, as an example. Always ask yourself this question: what is it that we want from these people? The only time the press, who are the apparatchiks of the government, of Wall Street, of globalist financiers, the only time we mention a particular country, is when we want something they've got. Now, what would happen right now? What's the big deal with North Korea? There is right now the Silk Iron Road. Trans-Asia Railway Agreement. You know that we have an overabundance of energy - oil, natural gas, fracking, coal - we are just busting at the seams. And the last thing that Wall Street, Goldman Sachs, and others, everyone - is North Korea to be in the _coal_ production. As an example. And what would have helped out that? This wonderful railroad. The Iron Silk Road. Approved by the U.N. in 2009. And China signed on, it was actually- Think about it. Think North Korea, South Korea together. Siberia, China, _Russia_. Oh no, we can't have that. We can put a stop to it by ratcheting up the _warrrrr_ in the Korean Peninsula. Having war games in South Korea. THAAD missiles. Ratchet it up- Since 1945, this garrisoned country has never known peace. This is by design. And what do the mainstream media do?

CREDICO
Right. It's all because of the arms industry? Is it the arms industry? Is it Wall Street, that combo? That drives our foreign policy?

LIONEL
Absolutely. The military industrial complex. Of course. But also energy-

CREDICO
And that's why the Deep State becomes hackneyed, but it's absolutely the right term-

LIONEL
It is.

CREDICO
-industrial complex.

LIONEL
Look at Russia!

CREDICO
You take a look at what's going on in China- What about China? They make all this noise about China having these islands, in the _China_ sea. It's the South China Sea. It's not the South Japanese Sea. It's the South China Sea. Do you know there are four hundred bases that surround China and their only economic viability is through the East? It's not through the West. The west part of China is desert. The east part is where the financial center is, and the agrarian center is. And they need Shanghai and those ports, and those seas...do you know there are countries that surround China, that are friendly to the U.S.? We are being bellicose to _them_. And, you know, that may sound like I'm being anti-patriotic, but I'm just being honest here. [inaudible]

LIONEL
Why is that being anti-patriotic? And by the by-

CREDICO
Well, because-

LIONEL
You know, we never- No, we never understood Vietnam. Never understood the power of that, of these ragtag people walking around with a bag of rice, and a rifle, and a pajama. C'MON! We could- We're the U.S. of A.! You know, that North Korea might be the third or the fourth largest military in the world, next to us, by the way. We've got about one point five million- They have one point _two_ million. There's only 25 million people in the country. You know that the- the average length, military service is not one year. Not two years. _Ten years_! They've got the largest paramilitary outfit in the world! And since 1945-

CREDICO
What about their history? Or go back to the- You wrote about this, about this history, I heard you talking about this. About how North Korea was pounded with- With tons of napalm, prior to the armistice, which was never a peace agreement, it was an armistice, and they've never had a peace treaty there.

LIONEL
Right.

CREDICO
Can you expand on that?

LIONEL
Since 1910. From the Japanese, who basically- They have been under- They have been occupied, colonized- Let me tell you, let me just explain one thing. In their- You're in London, right now. You can go up to people and say, "What did the bombing of World War II- How has that affected you?" When you're in the tube next time. This is where they went to survive. It's in their DNA.

CREDICO
Right.

LIONEL
It's burned in.

CREDICO
You could actually survive there. You could cook an egg on the ground. It's that clean [talking about London's subway].

LIONEL
[pause - this tangent seems to have thrown him] But- But- This is a part of who they are. In North Korea, they- If I showed you, or you looked at pictures, of North Korea, after that war, it looked like Hiroshima. I mean- I mean, it's-

CREDICO
Right.

LIONEL
Curtis LeMay said there's- It's like a briquet. There's nothing there. This is what's on their mind. We have been rattling sabers. And, by the way, Bill Clinton - as horrible as he is, in '94, he sat down and made a deal. No plutonium. End your plutonium dealings, we will end your mid- mid-range, long-range ballistic missiles, we will sign non-aggression treaties with you, we're going to do this. Look what William Parry wrote about this. Guess who comes in then. George W. Bush. The "Axis of Evil". Iran, Iraq, and _North Korea_?! It's like picking North Dakota! They're saying, "What did we have to do with 9/11?" Because they're always in the mix. And it's never about stability, it's about geo-positioning. What do we want? Why do- Why does Wall Street, Goldman Sachs, why do these people benefit? Doesn't make anybody safe.

CREDICO
[pause] Yes. You make sense there...on top of that, Craig Murray wrote an article the other day, Craig Murray dot org dot UK, read his article about North Korea...North Korea ummm people who are against nuclear war, should be cheering the fact that the mutual assured deterrent [sic - he means mutual assured destruction, that both players will be destroyed in a nuclear exchange, because both have nuclear weapons], that North Korea poses right now, and the fact that they have a nuclear weapon, means that we won't use a nuclear weapon. They won't use a nuclear weapon, in fact there's a balance of nuclear assured destruction, that's out there. Yes, he says, people that are peaceniks like myself should be cheering the fact [laughs] that North Korea will not be the next Iraq. It won't be the uh the playground for a bunch of military uh bombing and uh and invasions and uh that kind of stuff, because they have this nuclear weapon. Now, by saying that, it's probably treasonous, for me to say that, but is there any- Anything to that? In your estimation?

LIONEL
There's nothing treasonous about it. There's nothing treasonous. Let me go back and just repeat something. Bill Clinton would have cinched this. Look- Look what he did with Northern Ireland. This would have been done. But the neo-cons came in under George W. Bush, and the first thing they did was- Now, you know one of the things, Randy, we never go back and understand how these people feel. We've never bothered to understand what do they feel. Prior to the 1960s, North Korea was humming. Oh, and by the way, let me just tell you something: North Korea's been called the garrisoned country. It is a big mountain. That's all it is. And it has been, since 1945, they have hangars...missile silos...dormitories...barracks...hospitals...you name it. To be ready for that war. They may- It may not be nuclear [gives it the Texas pronunciation], as George W. would say, but what it will be is they can say, "I can unload a firestorm of artillery, that your THAAD missiles can't stop. Watch what I do. You got me, Seoul? You're ready for this one? If you wanna do this-" Remember the movie, "Jack Reacher"? I know it was corny, but Tom Cruise has this line in there, he says, "Remember, you wanted this, okay!" And John Kasich, actually said one time, that our military special forces, our Special Ops, are so good, that we can march into Pyongang, and take this guy?! What kind of a dreamworld are you living? They had-

CREDICO
No, they are trained well, fortified, right? They are pretty well fortified- Fortified, and you really don't want to play with them. The best thing to do right now, is to negotiate and get over the testosterone, forget about it, it's not going to happen, and if Iraq was in the same shape as North Korea, in 2003, they had a nuclear weapon, we wouldn't have invaded them and there wouldn't one million dead today.

LIONEL
That's exactly right.

CREDICO
We're talking with Lionel. We're talking with Lionel, Lionel is the- He's a legal and media critic, you can read his columns, see him on youtube, you can see him on RT, you can hear him on 970 radio, he's all over the map. I want you to stick with me, Lionel, I'm gonna get Bob Gangi [was running in the Democratic primary for mayor] on the phone, here, can you stick around?

LIONEL
I'll be standing by.

CREDICO
Alright, just stick around, because I want you to stick around, particularly...for Barrett Brown as well, is going to come on. Barrett Brown is going to come on, and there was another subject there, to talk about, Kunstler, we talked about North Korea, we talked about Assange, any last thoughts about the situation with Julian Assange is in?

LIONEL
I'm going to say this one more time - he is a journalist, he is a hero. And this is a man who, by the way - let me repeat this, very carefully, listen to me: he only released that which was given to him, which is _true_. It's not his opinion. What's bothersome, is people say "Hey! Why did you release those files, which were true-" Don't give me this national security business. This was true! And if we had a media that had teeth, that had a backbone, and a _pair_, they would have done this _for us_. But we don't have-

CREDICO
BUT WHY DON'T THEY DO THAT, LIONEL! Why isn't it-

LIONEL
Because they have been bought and sold.

CREDICO
-coming out in support of a fellow journalist?

LIONEL
Because they're not journalists! They're bought and sold. They're Ted Baxters, puppets, echo chamber cookie cutter playbook apparatchiks. You know, they joke about Pravda and Tass, my god, they're the- They're the choir boys for Goldman Sachs, or whoever's in charge. And let me also say, you don't have to like Trump, Trump has no friends. Nobody. Nobody. I know he's boorish. I didn't vote for him. I voted for myself. This is not about Trump.

CREDICO
I did to. I voted for you. [LIONEL laughs; CREDICO voted for Jill Stein]

LIONEL
And I voted for you for mayor. But wait - we cancelled that out. But the point is, is that what Julian Assange is, is a journalist. You don't have to be on 8th Avenue in a glass building, that's empty, that nobody can afford anymore, you don't have to be the New York Times. In 1971, the Supreme Court said: New York Times can publish the Pentagon Papers. Julian Assange is the New York Times, is the Washington Post. Is _whatever_. You don't need a license. Roger Ailes said: "You only need a license to cut hair." Period.

CREDICO
[laughs] We're talking with my good friend and uh great wordsmith uuuuh the great- Lionel...Lionel, I'm gonna play this song, we're gonna play a couple of versions, of "Big Bad Bill", and we'll be back with mayoral hopeful Bob Gangi, right after we play about a minute of this. About a minute of it, okay, there, Reggie?

JOHNSON
[pause] Alrighty.

[music plays]