Refa - Today at 19:02
sup
Athena_57 - Today at 19:03
Hi
Refa - Today at 19:06
hello, former pupil
Athena_57 - Today at 19:06
Hi, I'll def talk to you soon, I'm currently talking to brook, could you wait a sec?
Refa - Today at 19:06
oh
yeah sure
ping me here when you're done
Athena_57 - Today at 19:11
@Refa I'm here
Refa - Today at 19:12
sup
now i'm talking to brook lol
Athena_57 - Today at 19:12
oh, I'll wait a sec then haha
Refa - Today at 19:19
okay, i'm here
Athena_57 - Today at 19:19
welcome back
Refa - Today at 19:20
so what pinged me about you earlier was you saying that you didnt want to vote elie or snike because they had enough pressure already
which seemed bad because you never really cared about if the wagon was popular in training
Athena_57 - Today at 19:20
Ah, that, you want me to clarify on that?
Refa - Today at 19:20
and they were ed1 wagons
ya
Athena_57 - Today at 19:21
Okay, my thinking there was
I have a very mild scumread on both
oh, my internet popped out there for a sec
in any case
the difference between them was very small
And I didn't have questions for either
So in order to make the decision
I wanted to evaluate the people voting for both
And see which I liked best
Since they were counterwagons in a way
I'd rather not be hopping back and forth
Refa - Today at 19:22
why were they counterwagons?
im confused
Athena_57 - Today at 19:23
Both good-sized wagons
How else would you define counterwagons?
Refa - Today at 19:23
counterwagons are defined by being made to oppose a main wagon
Athena_57 - Today at 19:23
oh, my bad
Refa - Today at 19:24
so they can't both be counterwagons, that doesnt make any sense
Athena_57 - Today at 19:24
I meant competing wagons
In any case, I saw no point in me voting for either at that point
Since the scumreads on both were very low
My vote for Marth earlier today was different
because I actually felt stronger about him then the others
Refa - Today at 19:25
yeah, that's what bothered me since it felt you were sitting on the sidelines without really commiting to an opinion
what was your marth vote again?
the reasoning, i mean
Athena_57 - Today at 19:26
A sheep on the "contradiction"
Refa - Today at 19:26
yeah, that's fine
Athena_57 - Today at 19:27
I actually have no clue what your current gamestance is (besides your scumread on me)
Refa - Today at 19:27
have you talked to marth/elie?
Athena_57 - Today at 19:27
yes to elie, no to marth
Refa - Today at 19:27
lemme look at the playerlist
Athena_57 - Today at 19:27
elieson was early on though
I got very ittle out of that conversation
He was basically odding along with my early gutreads
nodding*
Refa - Today at 19:29
lurkers: acid, blitz, dyachei, weapons
town: amp, brooklyn, evan, marth, sb, shinori, via
null: cam, eclipse (people have mentioned bad vibes so i need to look into her but i hate sf pm's), elie, euklyd, iris, omega, snike
scum: athena, killthestory
Athena_57 - Today at 19:29
Why KTS?
Refa - Today at 19:29
marth was a scumread for me too but that dissolved
Athena_57 - Today at 19:29
Do you think it's that bad?
Refa - Today at 19:30
idt its that bad in a vacuum
but in context, idt he's pushed anything for himself
which is what bothers me more
Athena_57 - Today at 19:30
I personally am very hesitant
to assign either town- or scumreads to people for doing dumb shit
Refa - Today at 19:30
ya
but not pushing anything despite doing all of that
is what bothers me
elie i can get the scumread of but i
dont feel as convinced because the earlier votes were crummy
Athena_57 - Today at 19:31
Do you mean just very fast?
Because I didn't hate them apart from that
Refa - Today at 19:32
er, i mean like
i didn't get or agree with the reasoning
behind the earlier votes on elie
which wouldn't bother me except most of the votes on elie
currently
are those earlier votes
i think marf's case has merit
Athena_57 - Today at 19:33
Regarding the lurkers in your list
Have you spoken to any?
Refa - Today at 19:39
oh i didnt notice ur question
no
hbu
Athena_57 - Today at 19:39
I've spoken to Blitz
Refa - Today at 19:39
they're lurkers because
Athena_57 - Today at 19:39
a few times
Refa - Today at 19:39
i havent heard people contacting any of them
oh?
how did that go
actually i heard people talking to acid
but nothing substantial apparently
Athena_57 - Today at 19:39
The first time he listed some things from me that pinged him
And I was like, that sure is a list of things I posted
But he didn't really have questions
Refa - Today at 19:40
owned tbh
Athena_57 - Today at 19:40
second time was after he mentioned he wanted to talk to me in chat
And I asked him about his reads and what he wanted to talk about
he said he didn't have much reads
nor anything to ask me
And I'm not sure
how much is him being busy (which he is)
how much is him being lost
how much is him being scummy
I think he's just lost/busy
Refa - Today at 19:42
yeah, he's 100% busy irl
its going to be hard reading him...
Athena_57 - Today at 19:43
From your townreads, I haven't spoken to either shinori or via
what gave you the townreads?
Refa - Today at 19:43
shinori is sheeped from brook
i still need to talk to him about his scumread on me
i'll be really mad if everyone scumreading me is town
via just based on thread content and general tone
Athena_57 - Today at 19:44
Like, I don't know him at all and you have way more experience playing with via
But compared to earlier games
I'm less convinced of the towniness
going off of in thread posts
like, still a null/townread
But not as "yeah of course" as before
Is that different in PM's?
Is that different in PM's?
Refa - Today at 19:48
no i haven't dm'd via much
i tried too yesterday but he
didn't really respond
it's not like a super strong townread but just someone i wouldnt lynch
today
Athena_57 - Today at 19:48
sorry about the double message btw, that wasn't me being impatient, my connection is just shaky
Refa - Today at 19:48
and i think via's alignment will be more obvious in dm's
ya i figured haha
Athena_57 - Today at 19:48
okay, that makes sense
Refa - Today at 19:49
okay so i think im getting sidetracked here
do you have any not-sheeped scumreads?
Athena_57 - Today at 19:50
Sort of, but not really
I have a gut scumread on omega
Refa - Today at 19:50
why that?
Athena_57 - Today at 19:50
but haven tbeen able to talk to him
So that's purely thread/gamechat
I felt he was laying it on way too thick with the selfvote and "someone vote me"
And he kept tossing around townreads for no real reason
It felt unnatural to me
Refa - Today at 19:51
aha
yeah, i could see that being wifom
Athena_57 - Today at 19:51
But that's a minor one
And people who have spoken to omega
have told me omega was towny over pms
So eh, I dunno
Refa - Today at 19:51
im null on him over my dms
Athena_57 - Today at 19:51
Someone I'd like to tlak to in any case
Oh, regarding Evan
I've dropped my scumread, but I haven't seen him be towny
What makes you townread him?
Refa - Today at 19:55
idk being real w/you here: the elie/snike sideline thing still read as weird to me just from how you worded it.  if you said "hey these guys are both equally scummy, so imma stay off" i'd be fine, but this just seems bad to me.  you cant really defend yourself much here, but idk i wouldnt vote you just for that but its frustrating to me.  also i agree w/sb in that ur thought progression seemed unnatural even tho you being defensive is NAI (so disagree w/him there). in general it seems like you're going for the biggest wagon which bothers me as well.
i dm'd him and his thought process seemed genuine
im going to cp those to brook and ask what she thinks cause she seems to be scumreading evan
but ya
Athena_57 - Today at 19:56
Oh sorry, I have to leave, I'll be back in a few hours
Refa - Today at 19:57
okay