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  1. AAM - Today at 8:58 PM
  2. is there a definite answer whether demon blades is better than getting prepared? so many conflicting statements flowing around? sorry if this has been answered million times
  3. Pawkets - Today at 9:13 PM
  4. there is a definite answer but it doesn't consist of "x>y"
  5. demon blades is slightly better or at least equal if you use blur offensively as much as possible
  6. the more crit you have, the better it gets
  7. but, that's for long encounters
  8. in dungeons you will not be able to reach maximum momentum uptime anyway
  9. not in combat for long enough at a time and there's stretches of time between combat no matter how fast you are
  10. Martin - Today at 9:16 PM
  11. Just wondering, i got a sephuz's secret... is it worth it to drop master of the glaive for unleashed power for heroics/mythic dungeons considering haste seems to be the worst stat?
  12. Pawkets - Today at 9:16 PM
  13. so maybe demon blades is better because the loss in momentum uptime isnt really felt the way it is in raids
  14. on the other hand, you have to deal with super unreliable fury generation
  15. which means using eye beam when you want to can be a royal pain in the ass
  16. and when packs can last seconds with how much damage we do that is not a small problem
  17. wordup - Today at 9:17 PM
  18. yeah I agree, a definitive answer on one > other is very hard to quantify given that different fight durations and archetypes are at play
  19. which dungeons dilute a lot
  20. Pawkets - Today at 9:18 PM
  21. basically try both, they both have merit
  22. prepared also has its problem of getting the buff reliably with how small some monsters are can be a pita
  23. wordup - Today at 9:18 PM
  24. they both have as many downsides as upsides in dungeons
  25. so it's almost to the point where preference reigns
  26. Lanyx - Today at 9:19 PM
  27. but you'll use vengeful reatreat anyway doesn't matter if prepared or not
  28. in case you'r playin' momentum which u should
  29. wordup - Today at 9:19 PM
  30. yes, but you'll do it less frequently without prepared
  31. Jinivus - Today at 9:19 PM
  32. Definitely finding the same. DB/Nemisis to come out on top myself on both short and long fight Sims at least with my gear(47% Crit)
  33. Pawkets - Today at 9:19 PM
  34. no, that's not the problem at all
  35. reread what I said
  36. you always get momentum when you use VR
  37. with prepared you only get the buff when its AoE hits something
  38. and its AoE radius is 5 yards
  39. so if you dont take prepared, you have the liberty to run out a little more not caring about whether VR hits
  40. in order to minimize lost GCDs
  41. but with prepared, you can't because getting the prepared buff is more important
  42. Lanyx - Today at 9:21 PM
  43. sure, but in boss fights that won't happen (incase you'r not retarded)
  44. AAM - Today at 9:21 PM
  45. alright, well thanks for the constructive answers, right now I'm only basing this on my 5 man runs, where there definitely is a lot of downtime, and keeping momentum up as much as possible is a bit of a challenge itself
  46. wordup - Today at 9:21 PM
  47. that's fair, I haven't ran into that as much vs. trying to minimise the jump distance on the smaller dungeon hitboxes but the radius makes sense
  48. Pawkets - Today at 9:22 PM
  49. okay but trash is like 75% of the dungeon?
  50. AAM - Today at 9:22 PM
  51. true
  52. Pawkets - Today at 9:22 PM
  53. and every time you dont get the prepared buff your talent is a dead talent
  54. so if you do that a lot, it is definitely worse than demon blades
  55. AAM - Today at 9:23 PM
  56. I've tried both, and definitely more used to demon blades, but the general assumption would be that the more crit you have, the stronger demon's blades becomes as a T2 talent choice
  57. Lanyx - Today at 9:23 PM
  58. keeping momentum up in trash isn't really that neccesary, just need to buff the right abilitys and you'r fine mostly. will change with mythic+10 or so
  59. AAM - Today at 9:24 PM
  60. I feel like they could have made the momentum buff last a bit more, 4 sec seems a bit limited
  61. wordup - Today at 9:24 PM
  62. I don't see how it isn't necessary to optimise your short term damage buff that interacts so well with burst AoE in trash
  63. Pawkets - Today at 9:24 PM
  64. I dont even understand what you're arguing, we're talking about which talent is better not whether or not you need prepared to clear a dungeon
  65. Prepared constrains the way you can use VR. If you have to VR closer to the mob in order to activate the talent, then that means you could easily be losing 2-5% more GCDs than if you had demon blades and just VRd from further away
  66. in the context of talent balance that is not a small consideration
  67. Lanyx - Today at 9:27 PM
  68. You'r right, but it won't happen in Raidboss Fights that you miss prepared.
  69. 5 Dungs is different of course
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