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  1. PHNX | Arcanus: Hey fellas, I'm an old friend of Kowz, don't come on here much, but he suggested I do this
  2. [2:44 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: I'm giving buildcrafting a shot, starting it now and should be done before the next league
  3. [2:44 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: It's barely past the concept stage rn but here's the thread
  4. [2:44 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2256135
  5. Path of Exile
  6. Forum - Ranger - [3.6] Split Arrow Raider, First time let's do thi...
  7. Path of Exile is a free online-only action RPG under development by Grinding Gear Games in New Zealand.
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  9. [2:44 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: Any feedback would be much appreciated!
  10. [3:20 PM] Linaxx: @PHNX | Arcanus right off the bat
  11. [3:20 PM] Linaxx: in the offense you say you're okay with doing ele damage with avatar of the veil
  12. [3:20 PM] Linaxx: and you're wanting to go pure phys
  13. [3:20 PM] Linaxx: so just use a phys conversion
  14. [3:21 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: :naruhodo:
  15. [3:21 PM] Linaxx: lightning for shock = more damage, fire for ignite = damage over time, cold for slows/freezes which make it so porcupines don't blow up and no bodies for detonate dead
  16. [3:21 PM] Linaxx: there are plenty of ways to achieve this using hatred, anger etc
  17. [3:21 PM] Linaxx: or items/uniques/flasks
  18. [3:22 PM] Linaxx: at level 20 hatred converts 36% of phys damage as extra cold
  19. [3:23 PM] Linaxx: that way you can focus on pure phys
  20. [3:23 PM] Linaxx: and get your ele damage conversions from other things, like gems etc
  21. [3:24 PM] Linaxx: that way your avatar of the veil is using the phys conversion to cold as the extra ele damage
  22. [3:25 PM] Linaxx: aka you get 40% more of that 36% conversion
  23. [3:25 PM] Linaxx: @PHNX | Arcanus does that make sense?
  24. [3:28 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: Hella
  25. [3:29 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: Was already thinking of running lightning dmg
  26. [3:31 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: How should I handle crit then?  I was planning on running nocrit phys
  27. [3:31 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: Not sure if there are options for converting damage there
  28. [3:33 PM] Linaxx: there are
  29. [3:34 PM] Linaxx: you can use physical to lightning support
  30. [3:34 PM] Linaxx: where 50% of phys damage is converter to lightning and you gain 10-29% physical as extra lightning damage
  31. [3:35 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: Right but doesn't shock only proc on crit?
  32. [3:35 PM] Linaxx: and with quality you get 0.5%
  33. [3:35 PM] Linaxx: extra of both
  34. [3:35 PM] Linaxx: "ou can also gain chance to shock via gear or the passive skill tree. By default, only lightning damage is able to inflict shock, but certain equipment such as The Three Dragons can change which damage types are able to inflict shock. Additionally, shocked ground inflicts shock without dealing damage."
  35. [3:36 PM] Linaxx: https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/The_Three_Dragons
  36. Path of Exile Wiki
  37. The Three Dragons
  38. The Three DragonsGolden MaskQuality: +20%Evasion: 115Energy Shield: 22Requires Level 35, 40 Dex, 40 Int+(26-30)% to all Elemental ResistancesYour Fire Damage can Shock but not IgniteYour Cold Damage can Ignite but not Freeze or ChillYour Lightning Damage can Freeze but not Sh...
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  40. [3:36 PM] Linaxx: you could use lightning damage to freeze instead of shock
  41. [3:36 PM] Linaxx: or fire to shock
  42. [3:36 PM] Linaxx: or cold to ignite with this item
  43. [3:38 PM] Linaxx: critical strikes are just a 100% chance of shock
  44. [3:39 PM] Linaxx: so you could just conductivity and some skill tree passives for a % shock chance
  45. [3:39 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: I checked my passive tree, shock nodes are waaaaaaaaaaaay outta the way
  46. [3:39 PM] Linaxx: if you use innervate support skill and a curse on hit set up with conductivity
  47. [3:40 PM] Linaxx: you could get a 34% chance to shock
  48. [3:40 PM] Linaxx: you could also chuck in ele prolif
  49. [3:40 PM] Linaxx: for an extra 20%
  50. [3:40 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: Hmmm
  51. [3:40 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: I like where this is going
  52. [3:41 PM] Linaxx: that way you can go full phys with lightning conversion and using all of the above you have a 54% chance to shock
  53. [3:41 PM] Linaxx: with any hit
  54. [3:41 PM] Linaxx: not just a crit
  55. [3:41 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: Thanks for the suggestion, I'mma look into that more
  56. [3:42 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: You'd be doing me a huge solid if you copied/pasted this info to a reply on the thread
  57. [3:42 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: That way all the info is centralized
  58. [3:43 PM] Linaxx: mmk
  59. [3:43 PM] Linaxx: also
  60. [3:43 PM] Linaxx: if you want to go full lightning conversion
  61. [3:43 PM] Linaxx: there is a way to get practically 100% to lightning
  62. [3:43 PM] Linaxx: using a vessel of vinktar flask and a watchers eye that has 25-40% of phys converted to lightning while affected by the wrath aura
  63. [3:44 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: The eye sounds hella expensive
  64. [3:44 PM] Linaxx: it can be yes
  65. [3:45 PM] Linaxx: but even without it
  66. [3:45 PM] Linaxx: you can use stormcharger boots for 30%
  67. [3:45 PM] Linaxx: phys to lightning support gem for 50
  68. [3:45 PM] Linaxx: and vessel of vinktar for 20
  69. [3:45 PM] Linaxx: and boom there's 100%
  70. [3:46 PM] Linaxx: stormcharger boots also have 15-25% increased effect of shock and 50% increased shock duration
  71. [3:46 PM] Linaxx: and vessel has 20% of lightning damage leeched as life
  72. [3:46 PM] Linaxx: so your leech would be insane if you had high phys to convert to lightning
  73. [3:46 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: Prolly gonna be running darkray vectors for boots
  74. [3:47 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: +move speed per FC
  75. [3:48 PM] Linaxx: well you're starting out ranger
  76. [3:48 PM] Linaxx: don't really need the extra ms from frenzy
  77. [3:48 PM] Linaxx: just use quicksilver and the ms from boots/passives
  78. [3:48 PM] Linaxx: you'll still be plenty fast. and bow skills have really good movement skills
  79. [3:48 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: that and it's +1 to max FC
  80. [3:48 PM] Linaxx: you can easily get more fc with passives
  81. [3:49 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: I already have all 3 nodes on the grid
  82. [3:49 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: :LUL:
  83. [3:49 PM] Linaxx: i'd rather have +1 fc from nodes
  84. [3:49 PM] Linaxx: and keep the duration
  85. [3:49 PM] Linaxx: than take the duration hit from darkrays
  86. [3:49 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: I feel like all the bonuses I'm netting to duration justifies
  87. [3:49 PM] Linaxx: but in the end it's up to you. i'm just giving you suggestions on phys to lightning
  88. [3:49 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: rn I have double duration
  89. [3:49 PM] Linaxx: take it as you will
  90. [3:50 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: so 40% off of that is manageable
  91. [3:50 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: but again thanks super super much for the tips
  92. [3:50 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: Imma look into lightning conversion
  93. [4:27 PM] Eagle3o: Curious why youre against crit?
  94. [4:32 PM] Eagle3o: Going raider, you honestly dont need much duration for FCs
  95. [4:33 PM] Eagle3o: 210% life is a little overkill for life on a raider bow build if youre not going HC
  96. [4:34 PM] Eagle3o: lioneyes is an option to pick up the juicy claw nodes
  97. [4:37 PM] Eagle3o: crit would honestly just make your life easier
  98. [4:45 PM] Eagle3o: blast rain is an option for single target
  99. [4:45 PM] Eagle3o: honestly, you dont need frenzy in any kind of setup as a raider
  100. [4:45 PM] Eagle3o: the curse totem just sounds clunky to me
  101. [4:48 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: I mostly wanted to try the new support gem, seemed like it wouldn't be too bad a fit
  102. [4:48 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: As for crits, honestly no specific reason, I guess I just wanted to keep things as simple as I could
  103. [4:48 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: Went for 210 since I'm bad
  104. [4:49 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: Blast rain sounds sick for ST
  105. [4:49 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: Elaborate more on the "you don't need frenzy"
  106. [4:49 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: You mean the skill?
  107. [4:49 PM] Eagle3o: yea
  108. [4:50 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: Yeah I hella didn't wanna use that
  109. [4:50 PM] Eagle3o: not necessary for raider
  110. [4:50 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: I ran it once before to manage FC gen
  111. [4:50 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: It was super klunky
  112. [4:50 PM] Eagle3o: if you wanted to be hipster could do mirror arrow CoH
  113. [4:51 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: So you think the 20% from the first node is enough to keep charges up?
  114. [4:51 PM] Eagle3o: yea
  115. [4:51 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: :thumbsup:
  116. [4:51 PM] Eagle3o: odds are youre gonna have blood rage
  117. [4:51 PM] Linaxx: ^
  118. [4:51 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: Riiiiight
  119. [4:51 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: Forgot about blood rage
  120. [4:51 PM] Eagle3o: and on bosses, you should have enough attack speed for you to generate em fast enough
  121. [4:52 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: Thanks again for the help this is super good info
  122. [4:53 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: Would I be able to combo blast rain with Linaxx's suggestion for lightning conversion?
  123. [4:54 PM] Eagle3o: converting is the way to go to start with
  124. [4:54 PM] Eagle3o: full phys to light tho
  125. [4:54 PM] Eagle3o: mmmmmmm
  126. [4:54 PM] Eagle3o: thats a phys to light gem and watchers eye minimum
  127. [4:56 PM] Eagle3o: like if you wanted to full convert to light
  128. [4:56 PM] Eagle3o: why not just lightening arrow :/
  129. [4:56 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: I've always wanted to do split arrow
  130. [4:57 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: It was my favorite skill when I started, so I'm sticking to that at least
  131. [4:57 PM] Eagle3o: also havin some cold conversion is just nice for HoI shatters
  132. [4:58 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: The only build I ever found that used SA used a combo that got nerfed the next patch
  133. [4:58 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: And it recommended a headhunter
  134. [4:58 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: Lmao
  135. [4:58 PM] Eagle3o: what combo?
  136. [4:58 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: Drillneck + this one bow
  137. [4:58 PM] Eagle3o: ik what youre talkin about
  138. [4:58 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: Stacking Pierce chance to max
  139. [4:59 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: I'll throw this out there is fork viable at all
  140. [4:59 PM] Eagle3o: infractem
  141. [4:59 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: Yep that's the one
  142. [4:59 PM] Eagle3o: used to have a build with that
  143. [4:59 PM] Eagle3o: was fun
  144. [4:59 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: Very fun
  145. [5:00 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: The build sucked tho, every single item needed god tier corruptions/enchants
  146. [5:00 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: Nearly at least
  147. [5:01 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: So fork tho
  148. [5:01 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: I feel like pierce is just better
  149. [5:01 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: But I love the mechanics of fork
  150. [5:05 PM] Eagle3o: its fun, but pierce nets you more damage
  151. [5:05 PM] Eagle3o: honestly, i think cold would be better, shatters everywhere
  152. [5:09 PM] Eagle3o: this is a total shitshow of links but something like SA, ice bite, wed, mirage, added cold, uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
  153. [5:09 PM] Eagle3o: hypo? or shit throw in the new chill support gem for shits n giggles
  154. [5:09 PM] Eagle3o: grab yourself a good ol dex scaling bow
  155. [5:10 PM] Eagle3o: lol
  156. [5:10 PM] Linaxx: use a hrimsorrow
  157. [5:10 PM] Linaxx: and taste of hate
  158. [5:10 PM] Linaxx: ez
  159. [5:10 PM] Linaxx: OR
  160. [5:10 PM] Linaxx: the reason i picked lightning was it was light or chaos he wanted in his offense section
  161. [5:10 PM] Eagle3o: lmao hyrris ire
  162. [5:11 PM] Linaxx: but he could use three dragons
  163. [5:11 PM] Linaxx: with light conversion
  164. [5:11 PM] Linaxx: for shatters
  165. [5:11 PM] Eagle3o: astramentis
  166. [5:11 PM] Linaxx: but he wants darkrays
  167. [5:11 PM] Linaxx: so cold conversion
  168. [5:11 PM] Eagle3o: yeaaaaa
  169. [5:11 PM] Linaxx: would be better
  170. [5:11 PM] Linaxx: hrimsorrow for 50%
  171. [5:11 PM] Linaxx: taste of hate
  172. [5:11 PM] Linaxx: plus the cold support gems
  173. [5:11 PM] Linaxx: easy 100%
  174. [5:12 PM] Eagle3o: taste of hate doesnt convert
  175. [5:12 PM] Linaxx: ah right it's just extra
  176. [5:12 PM] Linaxx: i think both would be good tbh
  177. [5:13 PM] Linaxx: phys to lightning and use three dragons for shatters
  178. [5:13 PM] Linaxx: or just go full cold
  179. [5:13 PM] Eagle3o: hrimsorrow, hyrris ire, dex scaling bow, taste of hate
  180. [5:13 PM] Eagle3o: balls out cold
  181. [5:13 PM] Eagle3o: that actually sounds fun
  182. [5:14 PM] Linaxx: right but he could use innervate, ele prolif, vinktars and phys to lightning
  183. [5:14 PM] Linaxx: and conductivity
  184. [5:14 PM] Linaxx: for that fat shock % chance without going crit
  185. [5:14 PM] Linaxx: and have hella lightning conversion
  186. [5:14 PM] Eagle3o: hyrris ire also got a massive fuckin buff
  187. [5:15 PM] Eagle3o: Hyrri's Ire now adds (173-188) to (240-262) (up from (50-60) to (70-80)) cold damage to attacks with bows.
  188. [5:15 PM] Linaxx: i mean he could use that yeah, but it's not phys conversion it's just straight cold
  189. [5:16 PM] Eagle3o: yes
  190. [5:16 PM] Linaxx: or
  191. [5:16 PM] Linaxx: he could be super interesting
  192. [5:16 PM] Linaxx: and go lightning conversion
  193. [5:16 PM] Linaxx: but use a call of the brotherhood
  194. [5:17 PM] Eagle3o: shock and shatter
  195. [5:17 PM] Eagle3o: hmm
  196. [5:17 PM] Linaxx: that would be satisfying af
  197. [5:17 PM] Linaxx: tbh
  198. [5:17 PM] Eagle3o: only problem is
  199. [5:18 PM] Eagle3o: its "your spells have 100% chance to shock frozen enemies"
  200. [5:18 PM] Eagle3o: so yea youre gettin the conversion, but
  201. [5:19 PM] Eagle3o: this is gettin off the rails
  202. [5:19 PM] Eagle3o: were 5 builds past his original idea
  203. [5:19 PM] Linaxx: lmao
  204. [5:19 PM] Linaxx: it's interesting though
  205. [5:19 PM] Linaxx: is mirage archer considered an attack or spell
  206. [5:19 PM] Linaxx: attack
  207. [5:19 PM] Linaxx: rip
  208. [5:19 PM] Eagle3o: I dont like the full light conversion
  209. [5:20 PM] Eagle3o: he can also split his conversion
  210. [5:20 PM] Eagle3o: but full light
  211. [5:20 PM] Linaxx: i like it because with vinktar he has 20% lightning leech
  212. [5:20 PM] Eagle3o: its just a self imposed gimping
  213. [5:20 PM] Eagle3o: since he doesnt want to do LA
  214. [5:20 PM] Linaxx: and it's not hard to convert
  215. [5:20 PM] Eagle3o: 50/50 conversion
  216. [5:20 PM] Eagle3o: cold/light
  217. [5:21 PM] Linaxx: i mean that would be easy
  218. [5:21 PM] Eagle3o: yea
  219. [5:21 PM] Linaxx: hrimsorrow and phys to lightning support
  220. [5:21 PM] Eagle3o: would be easy to scale generic ailment too
  221. [5:22 PM] Linaxx: true
  222. [5:22 PM] Linaxx: would he want to use brotherhood for that though
  223. [5:22 PM] Linaxx: prolly not
  224. [5:22 PM] Linaxx: not unless he uses a vinktars
  225. [5:22 PM] Eagle3o: vinktars pen or added
  226. [5:23 PM] Linaxx: i think vinktars would be nice though
  227. [5:23 PM] Linaxx: and use call
  228. [5:23 PM] Eagle3o: mm
  229. [5:23 PM] Linaxx: and the vinktars he wants isn't expensive
  230. [5:23 PM] Linaxx: the one that adds flat lightning is
  231. [5:23 PM] Eagle3o: he wouldnt do conversion vinks tho
  232. [5:23 PM] Eagle3o: if hes doin 50/50
  233. [5:23 PM] Linaxx: he could use saeumus' gift
  234. [5:24 PM] Linaxx: i mean he could use conversion vinks
  235. [5:24 PM] Linaxx: if he was using call of the brotherhood
  236. [5:24 PM] Eagle3o: hes already at 100% conversion with hrim and phys to light
  237. [5:24 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: I walk away for 5 minutes
  238. [5:24 PM] Linaxx: ah yeah you're right.
  239. [5:24 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: Damn y'all hahaha
  240. [5:25 PM] Linaxx: the conversion vink would still be nice for leech though
  241. [5:25 PM] Eagle3o: and call is just light to cold, which defeats the purpose
  242. [5:25 PM] Linaxx: actually no he could just get atziris
  243. [5:25 PM] Eagle3o: id say added honestly
  244. [5:25 PM] Eagle3o: it all has the leech
  245. [5:25 PM] Eagle3o: he has free reign to do taste atziris and vinks
  246. [5:25 PM] Linaxx: ye
  247. [5:26 PM] Eagle3o: yea arcanus, feel free to scroll up for an extra 8 build ideas
  248. [5:26 PM] Linaxx: i think the 50/50 would work better too
  249. [5:26 PM] Linaxx: with vinks and taste and atziri
  250. [5:27 PM] Linaxx: god damn think of all that damage and leech
  251. [5:27 PM] Eagle3o: then get a pen watchers eye
  252. [5:27 PM] Eagle3o: its a semi self gimp
  253. [5:27 PM] Eagle3o: since youd only pen half your damage
  254. [5:27 PM] Eagle3o: but theres plenty of generic ele pen on the tree
  255. [5:28 PM] Eagle3o: primevil force
  256. [5:28 PM] Eagle3o: and whats the other one
  257. [5:28 PM] Eagle3o: forces of nature
  258. [5:28 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: Lmaooooo
  259. [5:28 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: Y'all are crazy haha
  260. [5:28 PM] Eagle3o: grab a lioneyes for dem juicy claw nodes, theres your sustain
  261. [5:29 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: How come lioneyes works with claw nodes?
  262. [5:29 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: You've mentioned it a couple times
  263. [5:29 PM] Linaxx: he could use lightpacher with that set up too
  264. [5:29 PM] Linaxx: poacher *
  265. [5:29 PM] Eagle3o: lioneyes fall
  266. [5:29 PM] Eagle3o: jewel
  267. [5:29 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: Right
  268. [5:29 PM] Eagle3o: https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Lioneye%27s_Fall
  269. Path of Exile Wiki
  270. Lioneye%27s_Fall
  271.  
  272. [5:29 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: Was thinking Lioneyes Reach
  273. [5:29 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: I think
  274. [5:30 PM] Linaxx: plus the new crafting changes with phys bows would be sick for his build
  275. [5:30 PM] Eagle3o: true
  276. [5:30 PM] Linaxx: what quiver though?
  277. [5:31 PM] Linaxx: prolly just drill huh
  278. [5:31 PM] Eagle3o: hm
  279. [5:31 PM] Linaxx: or he could go new voidfletcher
  280. [5:31 PM] Eagle3o: true
  281. [5:31 PM] Eagle3o: that would be interesting
  282. [5:31 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: Speeeeeeaking of which
  283. [5:32 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: If y'all wanted to brainstorm chaos damage I'm all ears
  284. [5:32 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: Haha
  285. [5:32 PM] Linaxx: chaos is a niche kinda thing in poe rn
  286. [5:32 PM] Eagle3o: if youre gonna brainstorm chaos, just do scourge/ta
  287. [5:32 PM] Linaxx: there's only a few things you can do to go chaos
  288. [5:32 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: I figured linaxx
  289. [5:32 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: I'm actually running a CA raider this league
  290. [5:33 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: So I'll prolly get it out of my system there
  291. [5:33 PM] Linaxx: honestly the void fletcher
  292. [5:33 PM] Linaxx: would be sick
  293. [5:33 PM] Linaxx: it's like a drill with cold, proj speed and void shot
  294. [5:33 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: Is the voltaxic rift any good?
  295. [5:33 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: I love it on concept, no idea how to implement
  296. [5:33 PM] Eagle3o: nope
  297. [5:33 PM] Linaxx: it used to be amazing
  298. [5:33 PM] Linaxx: they nerfed the fuck outta it
  299. [5:34 PM] Eagle3o: its garbo
  300. [5:34 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: Rip a Dee Doo dah
  301. [5:34 PM] Eagle3o: used to be t1 unique
  302. [5:34 PM] Eagle3o: just like shavs
  303. [5:34 PM] Eagle3o: and deaths hand
  304. [5:34 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: Dang
  305. [5:34 PM] Eagle3o: and soul taker
  306. [5:34 PM] Linaxx: to make voltaxic work
  307. [5:34 PM] Linaxx: you'd gimp yourself
  308. [5:34 PM] PHNX | Arcanus: Like I already am with SA :Kappa~2:
  309. [5:34 PM] Linaxx: you'd have to go full lightning conversion and then convert some of that to chaos
  310. [5:35 PM] Linaxx: and you'd need big dick items to make it semi work
  311. [5:35 PM] Linaxx: because the bow has no phys
  312. [5:36 PM] Linaxx: well anyways, i think we brain stormed most of your build ideas with that direction
  313. [5:36 PM] Linaxx: lol
  314. [5:37 PM] Linaxx: i got off work tomorrow and the weekend for poe tho
  315. [5:37 PM] Linaxx: so hype
  316. [5:38 PM] Eagle3o: we brainstormed build ideas he didnt know he wanted
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