Wisdom replaces universality

Monfd
You forgot about Ann Coulter, though.
Monfd
She asked just a few days ago, when confronted with the reality of the above deception, "Does the president think his supporters are stupid or something?"
Monfd
She doesn't know. She really doesn't know.
HowAbotIt
I've seen maybe 10 minutes of her talking over the years.  To me she's just another blowhard like Rush L.
Monfd
They're so much worse than "blowhards", though.
Monfd
They're liars. They hate modernity. They're racist. They have extremely low empathy. They shun core American values. They're post-Enlightenment. Post-truth. Enemies of the West.
Monfd
I have previously argued we should rewrite our Constitution -- as the Framers intended -- to include lying as a core legal offense.
Monfd
And I don't mean 'while under oath of a court'. I mean something like 'all the time'.
Monfd
Lying is absolutely at the core of almost all other forms of harm we're experiencing.
Monfd
Imagine trying to support money in politics when you cannot lie.
Monfd
Imagine trying to support and maintain gerrymandering when you cannot lie.
HowAbotIt
is post enlightenment a thing?
Monfd
Imagine trying to collude with Russia when you cannot lie.
Monfd
HowAbotIt: Yes.
HowAbotIt
or just some attempt at being clever?
Monfd
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/02/23/harvard-scientist-worries-were-reverting-to-a-pre-enlightenment-form-of-thinking/?utm_term=.86444d35b0c5
Monfd
Here they use the term pre-Enlightenment.
HowAbotIt
well now I'm wondering if there are groups out there that self identify as post-enlightenment and what they would mean by it.
18:55 Monfd
However, depending on the specific language you use, that can be confused with 'occurring before the Enlightenment'.
Monfd
HowAbotIt: It will be unlikely they'll deliberately label in that way.
Monfd
The opposite of Enlightenment is -- excluding the work of philosophers -- something like 'truth derives from faction/authority/hierarchy'.
fierygt
these morons have always existed.  they just weren't ever capable of spouting off at the mouth, as easily as they have been granted to, now.
fierygt
the irony of science enabling their idiocy.
Monfd
Such groups, which are abundant, generally lack the epistemological tools to consciously describe their nature of truth.
Monfd
The ability to model competing epistemologies across groups, axioms, and time is largely an Enlightenment ability, again, excepting for the work of philosophers.
Monfd
For those factions that know truth emanates from the authority of their faction, there are no alternatives imaginable.
Monfd
So you can't label it. It just is.
fierygt
they think an iphone is a gift from god or some stupid shit.  no, it is a man made device, created by scientists and people way smarter than they will ever be.  yet the redneck position is "i could design that, if that black guy didn't steal muh place at college 'cause of affirmative action!"
Monfd
fierygt: We need revolutionary leaders who recognize a cognitive speciation event has occurred and move us past the universal systems that originated with the French Revolution.
Monfd
Yuval Harari moves into this space, somewhat, in Homo Deus.
Monfd
He argues that universalism was a technology invented to support universal conscription and full employment in the economy.
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Monfd
We need to forbid people below certain levels of intelligence/awareness/connection to reality from participating in the guidance of our civilizations.
Monfd
Just was we prevent tigers, non-human apes, and birds of prey.
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Monfd
When a human is around a tiger, the tiger absolutely has a clear understanding on the Proper and True relationships that should occur.
Monfd
It generally involves the tiger killing the human.
Monfd
What happens then?
Monfd
The humans get pissed and use their big brains and ability to socialize and make guns -- none of which the tiger understands -- to kill the tiger.
Monfd
And if this pattern is left unchecked, it results in the deaths of many humans and the extinction of the tiger.
Monfd
So, can the tiger and human co-exist?
Monfd
Yes, with the leadership of the human and only the human.
Monfd
This is also now true for human civilization, but it's dangerous and it's related to supremacist systems from our past that were unjust and which hurt many humans unnecessarily.
Monfd
There is also danger in any such system that co-exists with class/generational inequality as people can get misclassified into the group that is forbidden from guiding society.
Monfd
No doubt, the people who think Pizzagate is true, Trump is smart, or Mueller is working for Trump have their ideas on how to run society and understand what I just typed is garbage.
Monfd
Analogous to the tiger.
Monfd
And what happens when we allow them to guide society?
Monfd
We get emotional, religious, moronic people in charge of nuclear weapons in battle with other like-minded folk in Pakistan, China, and Russia.
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Monfd
Which, *it has already been shown in the 20th century*, leads to armed conflict between this nations, now empowered by fission and fusion.
Monfd
This cannot be allowed to happen.
Monfd
And so we must box in these humans just as we have boxed in the tiger, as the alternative is extinction for everybody, including them and the tiger.
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19:07 Monfd
Here's some True True, though -- misclassification of people is a lesser harm than allowing Trumpists in control of the US federal government.
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Monfd
And so I recommend we break from our previous axioms and begin this journey -- knowing we're going to create harm for some people unfairly -- and work out the problems best we can while our ships are mid-sail.
Monfd
Again, climate change is an EXISTENTIAL THREAT TO THE CONTINUED EXISTENCE OF OUR CIVILIZATIONS, and Trumpists -- who control the federal government -- deny its even a thing.
Monfd
It's okay to deny people the vote, given this context.