[12:34] DaveTheBasha: what do you mean about the stat files?
[12:35] Clanhelio: each player has 1 file dedicated to them to save all of their stats
[12:35] DaveTheBasha: but once the server is down they wont serve a purpose anyway will they?
[12:36] Clanhelio: I was just saying that from the time that we started doing stats, 413 people have played on the server
[12:37] DaveTheBasha: oh
[12:37] DaveTheBasha: which just makes it seem like you guys made even more of a mistake shutting it down
[12:37] Clanhelio: the clan made the mistake of not populating it
[12:38] DaveTheBasha: i cant help it if i need to go on holiday for a week
[12:38] Clanhelio: no
[12:38] Clanhelio: It's not because someone stopped playing for a week
[12:38] Clanhelio: It's because if people play, they play sparsely
[12:38] Clanhelio: not regularly
[12:39] Clanhelio: and a lot of people wait for the server to be full, instead of filling up the server themselves
[12:39] Clanhelio: like a member is supposed to do
[12:39] DaveTheBasha: but shutting down the server doesnt help that situation
[12:39] DaveTheBasha: actively telling them to get their asses on there more often will
[12:40] Clanhelio: doesn't work
[12:40] Clanhelio: this was discussed, and everyone agreed we should just shut it down
[12:40] Clanhelio: It's nto worth it
[12:41] Clanhelio: people pay real life money for it
[12:41] Clanhelio: and no one plays
[12:43] DaveTheBasha: you say everyone
[12:43] DaveTheBasha: but i wasnt there
[12:44] Clanhelio: and your disagreement was supposed to stop the process how?
[12:44] Clanhelio: everyone but you was there
[12:44] Clanhelio: everyone but you wanted to shut it down
[12:44] Clanhelio: if you want to fund the server
[12:44] Clanhelio: go ahead
[12:44] Clanhelio: you have 1 day to get the funds
[12:44] Clanhelio: but
[12:44] Clanhelio: It is shutting down
[12:45] Clanhelio: and if someone really wanted it to stay, they would offer to buy it
[12:45] Clanhelio: this has not happened
[12:45] DaveTheBasha: well iv never had a paypal account
[12:45] DaveTheBasha: iv always payed for the server not in terms of money
[12:45] DaveTheBasha: but my time
[12:46] DaveTheBasha: but i cant pay both
[12:46] Clanhelio: you don't need a paypal account
[12:46] Clanhelio: just a creidt card / debit card / whatever
[12:46] DaveTheBasha: well i dont have those or the mone
[12:46] DaveTheBasha: money
[12:46] Clanhelio: but you can't have a server without people putting in both time and money
[12:46] Clanhelio: people aren't putting in time
[12:46] Clanhelio: so now people aren't putting in money
[12:47] Clanhelio: that is the unfortunate truth
[12:47] Clanhelio: we didn't all decide to stop the server for the hell of it
[12:47] Clanhelio: the whole clan is just apethitic to its well being
[12:47] Clanhelio: which is why I started the topic
[12:47] Clanhelio: the clan as a whole*
[12:49] DaveTheBasha: it is the clan members fault after all
[12:49] DaveTheBasha: but i still feel that giving al that untoten mod thing was our downfall
[12:51] DaveTheBasha: so since then ive always thaught it should be your duty to make something like that again to get us back on track
[12:52] DaveTheBasha: but obviously its never happened
[12:52] Clanhelio: What can I make? That's not original, I stole it from Treyarch.
[12:52] Clanhelio: Also the only reason I did it was because I wanted to see more nazi zombie maps
[12:52] Clanhelio: That never happened, and because of that I regret doing it.
[12:53] DaveTheBasha: but by doing that it increased our pop by alot
[12:53] DaveTheBasha: which made it much easier for the rest of us
[12:55] Clanhelio: I added stats
[12:55] Clanhelio: I added hats
[12:55] Clanhelio: was going to do holiday stuff
[12:55] Clanhelio: nothing more to do
[12:55] Clanhelio: everyone stopped caring
[12:55] DaveTheBasha: we had already lost our pop by then
[12:56] DaveTheBasha: i guess everything we tried afterwards was in vein
[12:56] DaveTheBasha: appart for al
[12:57] DaveTheBasha: those leeching bastards proffited from it quite nicely
[12:57] DaveTheBasha: *beneffited
[12:57] Clanhelio: yes
[12:58] DaveTheBasha: and you giving them the hats and stats was just another kick to the balls
[13:00] DaveTheBasha: and i think was disrespectful to the zc name
[13:00] DaveTheBasha: and all that we've worked for in the past
[13:02] Clanhelio: no
[13:02] Clanhelio: I'm a modder first and foremost
[13:02] Clanhelio: It's my project and I do what I want with it
[13:02] Clanhelio: However as I have stated, I regret releasing it as it both helped afterlife while doing nothing at all
[13:03] DaveTheBasha: thats like saying im just a player first and formost
[13:04] DaveTheBasha: so i could just go to al and start helping with their pop
[13:04] DaveTheBasha: but i couldnt, because my heat as it where; lay with zc
[13:04] DaveTheBasha: which is why i was a member
[13:05] DaveTheBasha: in my eyes being a member and doing that would be betrayal
[13:11] Clanhelio: no
[13:11] Clanhelio: There's a whole community of modders and scripters who help each other out and share code
[13:11] Clanhelio: I find myself one of them before I find myself a member of any clan
[13:11] Clanhelio: Untoten is the only thing I have shared
[13:12] DaveTheBasha: so why arent we getting anything back from al?
[13:14] Clanhelio: what would they give us?
[13:14] DaveTheBasha: i dunno
[13:15] DaveTheBasha: they where able to mod mortars into their maps wherent they
[13:15] DaveTheBasha: they where able to mod lots of things into their maps
[13:15] DaveTheBasha: why havent they given us that ability?
[13:16] Clanhelio: they're obviously closed source
[13:16] Clanhelio: but I can do everything they have on their server
[13:16] Clanhelio: it's rudimentary shit
[13:16] Clanhelio: afterlife goes for gimmicks
[13:16] Clanhelio: zc doesn't
[13:17] DaveTheBasha: if its so shit, howcome they have loads of pop
[13:18] DaveTheBasha: thats like saying a chef's food is shit, when a large majority of people highly rate it.
[13:18] DaveTheBasha: also a chef wont just make the same thing over and over
[13:24] Clanhelio: lol
[13:24] Clanhelio: MW2 sold like a billion copies
[13:24] Clanhelio: take your horrible logical fallacy somewhere else
[13:24] DaveTheBasha: because they added some new stuff
[13:24] Clanhelio: I take it Justin Bieber is pure art?
[13:24] DaveTheBasha: i dont know who it is
[13:25] Clanhelio: I take it the The Jonas Brothers are pure art
[13:25] DaveTheBasha: i dont know who they are either
[13:25] Clanhelio: the backstreet boys
[13:25] DaveTheBasha: ye
[13:26] Clanhelio: SO
[13:26] Clanhelio: I take it that the backstree boys are the greatest band ever?
[13:26] DaveTheBasha: it being pure art is the majority's oppinon
[13:26] DaveTheBasha: if the whole world thaught it was the greatest, then it would become that
[13:27] Clanhelio: No
[13:27] Clanhelio: That's rediculous and you know it.
[13:28] Clanhelio: How about we just make a mod that is like mW2?
[13:28] Clanhelio: we'd rake in everyone
[13:28] Clanhelio: NO
[13:28] Clanhelio: IT DOESNT WORK LIKE THAT
[13:28] DaveTheBasha: if everyone wanted that, then yes it would
[13:28] Clanhelio: FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME, WE HAVE A NICHE
[13:28] Clanhelio: NO
[13:28] DaveTheBasha: lol what niche is that
[13:28] Clanhelio: YOU SEEM TO THINK THAT THERE IS 1 ETERNAL DEFINITION OF GOOD
[13:28] Clanhelio: AND NOT MULTIPLE POCKETS AND MULTIPLE LEAGUES AND MULTIPLE RANKINGS
[13:29] Clanhelio: pissing me off man
[13:29] Clanhelio: What niche?
[13:29] Clanhelio: The niche we HAVE
[13:29] Clanhelio: where Europeans come to our server instead of afterlife because we have the better mod
[13:29] Clanhelio: that niche
[13:30] DaveTheBasha: what, the 5 odd europeans? that come to a dead server
[13:30] DaveTheBasha: that may be a niche, but i would call that a crap niche
[13:31] Clanhelio: No one comes to the server because no one plays on the server
[13:31] Clanhelio: Do you think I join random ass empty servers?
[13:31] Clanhelio: No
[13:31] Clanhelio: I don't
[13:31] DaveTheBasha: i do
[13:31] Clanhelio: well you are something
[13:31] DaveTheBasha: i found 1 recently
[13:31] DaveTheBasha: invited everyone round
[13:32] DaveTheBasha: i had the most fun on cod 2 in a while
[13:32] DaveTheBasha: because it was new and different
[13:32] Clanhelio: if you want to make a new and different server, buy your own
[13:33] DaveTheBasha: i dont need to, when i can find ones that people pay for
[13:33] DaveTheBasha: but they never use
[13:33] Clanhelio: who the helld oes that
[13:34] DaveTheBasha: i dont know their names
[13:34] DaveTheBasha: but i can tell you the ip to the 1 i found
[13:34] DaveTheBasha: it has a ranking system
[13:34] DaveTheBasha: modded guns
[13:34] DaveTheBasha: artilery/mortars n stuff
[13:35] DaveTheBasha: its been up for more than a year i think
[13:35] DaveTheBasha: but nobody ever goes on it
[13:36] Clanhelio: so you want our server to be like that
[13:36] Clanhelio: wasting someone's money
[13:36] Clanhelio: well like I said
[13:36] Clanhelio: go ahead and pay for it
[13:37] DaveTheBasha: im not saying that
[13:38] DaveTheBasha: im saying im using something that someone is paying for, and respecting it
[13:38] DaveTheBasha: me not going on it wouldn't make any difference
[13:38] DaveTheBasha: because they're paying for it even when its had no pop for a year
[13:39] Clanhelio: I seriously have no clue what you are trying to convey to me
[13:41] DaveTheBasha: I guess you could say that even if zc server had no pop, there would still be people like me who would play on it
[13:44] Clanhelio: No one
[13:44] Clanhelio: is going to
[13:44] Clanhelio: pay for it
[13:44] DaveTheBasha: i know that
[13:45] Clanhelio: so then what are you saying
[13:46] DaveTheBasha: because the reason for it being shut down is that it has no pop
[13:46] DaveTheBasha: it would always have people like me playing on it
[13:47] Clanhelio: but no one is going to pay for it
[13:47] DaveTheBasha: so then that wasnt really the reason behind it shutting down
[13:48] Clanhelio: No
[13:48] Clanhelio: Not everyone has such groundbreaking views on throwing their money away
[13:48] Clanhelio: people don't want to pay for things that don't get used
[13:48] DaveTheBasha: or they're not going to get anything back for
[13:49] DaveTheBasha: which is why we shouldve sold stuff like hats to al
[13:49] DaveTheBasha: not just give them away
[13:49] DaveTheBasha: so al wouldve been basically donating towards the server
[13:50] DaveTheBasha: its like buying a poppy for rememberance day
[13:51] Clanhelio: lolwut? I offered the the shit for free and they don't want it
[13:51] Clanhelio: how are they going to pay for it
[13:51] DaveTheBasha: then the untoten mod
[13:51] DaveTheBasha: they shouldve payed for that
[13:53] Clanhelio: How would they do that when I released it to the public
[13:53] DaveTheBasha: you shouldve put up a price for everyone
[13:54] DaveTheBasha: if you think about it, the server is like a service
[13:55] DaveTheBasha: we put our time and money into it and everyone recieves fun
[13:55] DaveTheBasha: selling the untoten mod would be like selling a service, which you're providing for everones enjoyment
[13:56] Clanhelio: lolololol
[13:57] Clanhelio: why dont you go play on JFH
[13:57] Clanhelio: they make you donate when you play for a while, or they delete all your ranks and shit
[13:57] Clanhelio: EVERYBODY HATES
[13:57] DaveTheBasha: because i dont find, whatever jfh is. fun?
[13:57] Clanhelio: THAT
[13:57] Clanhelio: SERVER
[13:57] Clanhelio: AND I HAVE NOTED
[13:57] Clanhelio: I DONT SELL MODS FOR 2 REASONS
[13:58] Clanhelio: 1) Modding i a community thing, not for profit
[13:58] Clanhelio: 2) Activision owns all rights to any mod anyone makes for their game. I can't legally profit from it.
[13:58] DaveTheBasha: you wouldnt be profiting from it
[13:58] DaveTheBasha: the money would be going towards the server
[13:59] DaveTheBasha: which would in tern give enjoyment to the community
[13:59] Clanhelio: no
[13:59] Clanhelio: it' sprofit no matter where I want to put it
[13:59] DaveTheBasha: it is proffit, yes
[13:59] DaveTheBasha: but not for you
[13:59] Clanhelio: I profitted it from it
[13:59] Clanhelio: it's a ssimple as that
[14:00] Clanhelio: and you're only dealing with 2
[14:00] DaveTheBasha: if you chose to take the money for yourself then yet
[14:00] Clanhelio: there was still 1
[14:00] DaveTheBasha: *yes
[14:00] Clanhelio: oj also
[14:00] Clanhelio: 3) I'm not a fucking scum ass bitch
[14:00] Clanhelio: who asks for money for a damn mod
[14:00] Clanhelio: no
[14:00] Clanhelio: it's profit either way
[14:01] DaveTheBasha: yet you ask people to pay for a mod that is outdated
[14:01] DaveTheBasha: that has little pop
[14:01] DaveTheBasha: and they have little money
[14:01] Clanhelio: THey're paying for a server. To play on. You need a server to server people.
[14:01] DaveTheBasha: but you wont ask a big community to part with a small ammount?
[14:01] Clanhelio: No, because I'm not a money grubber
[14:02] DaveTheBasha: it seems like it to me
[14:03] DaveTheBasha: like a begger that takes from the community, and gives out his own work to satisfy himself. not the community
[14:04] DaveTheBasha: yet in the end you have gained nothing
[14:04] DaveTheBasha: and lost the thing that the community gave you
[14:05] Clanhelio: Oh god
[14:05] Clanhelio: youare fucked in the head
[14:05] Clanhelio: seriously
[14:05] DaveTheBasha: really
[14:05] Clanhelio: you have no idea how anything works