17:43	Hubmeier	Raven`X I have a golden staff infection that they are trying to cure .. m y bp wenmt to 54/32 and my liver and other horgans were shutting down.. but getting better now
17:43	kissa
17:44	[Apollo]	Good luck getting past the staff infection
17:44	Hubmeier	kissa what are  'hospitals for profit'?  I have good medical cover that meets most of my bills
17:44	Hubmeier	[Apollo] they suspect it is near my pace maker
17:45	VirtualPreacher	you say "hospitals for profit" as if profit is some evil thing. you do realize that medical facilities have to make a profit unless they are funded by someone? and how do you suppose anyone fund a hospital except by making a profit doing SOMEthing?
17:46	kissa	hospitals for profits,  are hospitals, where the bottom line is profit for investors...   not nice places to work or being patent .... I had unfortune to needing to stay one of 'em
17:46	Raven`X	What did  you to get a staph infection?
17:46	Hubmeier	kissa we have HITH in Australia where I am home and doctors nurses etc call on me at home to treat me
17:46	VirtualPreacher	let me guess "well it should be paid for by the government" and the govt gets its funding where? you guessed it: taxes. and who pays taxes? people earning a *profit* for themselves or their business they work for.
17:47	[Apollo]	Denying people to healthcare because they don't have the money is an evil thing
17:47	[Apollo]	It is amoral and it will destroy our society if it continues to exist
17:47	Hubmeier	Raven`X it has been on going for several years they think and it flares up every few months
17:47	VirtualPreacher	apollo is it an evil thing for you to refuse to let me live in your house if I dont have the money to pay you the rent?
17:47	DeeperStill	what is even as bad is making people who work hard for their money and pay for their own health care, also pay for others who wont work
17:48	kissa	VirtualPreacher:   this particular hospital was  'community' hospital before,  not for profit, but for quality care...    some  better hospitals around here, are also teaching hospitals,  state funded places....
17:48	[Apollo]	Apparently DeeperStill and VirtualPreacher lack the empathy required to understand that every human being deserves quality health care.
17:48	DeeperStill	I dont mind helping people who are willing to work and even attempt to get off subsistant living on the backs of others, but when people just flat out take and take and take and refuse to work .It angers me
17:48	VirtualPreacher	kissa cool. state funded.........by money brought in to the state coffers...........by profit earning corporations and businesses and individuals employed by those organizations. in other words:  it is paid for by PROFITS
17:49	kissa	anything, that is geared towards people must not be profit orientated...  like schools,  charter schools are no banned in Wa state as being unconstitutional.... one win for people!
17:49	DeeperStill	Apolla, God said, if you wont work, you shall not eat
17:49	VirtualPreacher	Apollo how about instead of trolling you try to answer my question. is it EVIL if you refuse to let me live in your house if I cannot afford rent?
17:49	Hubmeier	[Apollo] I basically agree with that.. I pay medical insurance.. go to9 a public hospital where I get the best treatment.. have my own doctor and claim on my medical insurance and then the hospital will either bill me the diffeerence or say that they have enough from the medical insurance
17:49	kissa	VirtualPreacher:    right,  in those hospitals,  both the workers and patients suffer... greatly...
17:50	VirtualPreacher	kissa so the state run not for profit hospitals are bad?
17:50	[Apollo]	VirtualPreacher: I have zero intention of dignifying your straw man with a response, in case you were waiting for one.
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17:50	kissa	VirtualPreacher:  in Seattle, the biggest state funded hospital,  Harbor View is the best..
17:51	[Apollo]	kissa: ever heard of the Mayo Clinic?
17:51	kissa	[Apollo]:   yes
17:51	VirtualPreacher	Apollo ok then i will take that as "no, i will continue trolling" in that case next time you make a remark like that be prepared to engage in an active debate to back it up or keep it to yourself.
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17:51	[Apollo]	VirtualPreacher: Leave me alone if you don't have the decency to use my nick.
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17:52	[Apollo]	VirtualPreacher: "Apollo" does not highlight the line for me. "[Apollo]" does.
17:52	Hubmeier	kissa the statefunded hospitals have the best equipment and give the best care because of that.. my local statefunded hospital is a teachig hospital
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