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[12:11] <@Ross> lol
[12:11] <@VirtualPreacher> jill stein's recount revealed more votes than voters for hillary in 37% of detroit precincts for example.
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[12:12] <@VirtualPreacher> Joel why would vote fraud be a partisan issue? i do not want anyone to be tampering with vote results no matter which side of the aisle they are on.
[12:13] <+THERetroGamerNY> Except Russia.
[12:13] <@VirtualPreacher> THERetroGamerNY meaning?
[12:13] <+Joel> i agree with that VirtualPreacher.. i want a clean election, to the maximum extent possible
[12:13] <@Ross> man files a complaint in court .... judge says to plaintif .... the defendant is a friend of mine, do you want another judge ... .... now the plaintiff is pressed for time in life and says no thinking the judge is a fair man and will hear the case .... but upon hearing the word "no" from teh plaintif, the judge immediately rules in favor of the defendant
[12:14] <@VirtualPreacher> you might want to read what i said very carefully THERetroGamerNY. I said *I* do not want anyone tampering with vote results. you said "except russia" which implies I am ok with russia tampering with our vote results. try not to tell lies about people in here.
[12:14] <@Ross> you live in a corrupt society ....
[12:14] <+THERetroGamerNY> Wrong channel, VP.
[12:15] <@VirtualPreacher> my eye
[12:15] <@Ross> i dont think the britsh parliment needs to debate the person we elected as they do/did
[12:15] <+Areik> Joel: ya know why Jeb was passed over W for the 2000 nominee?
[12:16] <+Joel> Areik: i recall that jeb had considered running but apparently didn't want to run against george w.
[12:16] <+Areik> Joel: another theory is that it's because Jeb married a latina and that didn't bode well for the Bushes.
[12:16] <+Areik> So, he got Florida instead of the USA
[12:17] <+Joel> oh, i haven't heard that theory
[12:17] <@VirtualPreacher> how about because jeb is a cardboard cutout mannequin with even less charisma than george w.
[12:17] <+Joel> lol on the news they just showed arnold's response to trump's prayer breakfast statement.. i won't spoil it but it's funny
[12:17] <+barabbas`> Fact check: No proof in story of mass voter fraud in Michigan http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/21/no-proof-voter-fraud-michigan/95693264/
[12:18] <@VirtualPreacher> barabbas`:
[12:18] <@VirtualPreacher> jill stein's recount revealed more votes than voters for hillary in 37% of detroit precincts for example.
[12:18] <@VirtualPreacher> fact
[12:18] <+Areik> We're all playing into their game, Joel.   Both Arnold and Trump want us talking about this and not a litany of other things.
[12:18] <+Joel> yeah good point Areik
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[12:18] <@Ross> so what happened that DrPhil got interrupt tv for a newbullentin
[12:18] <+barabbas`> VirtualPreacher Yeah, thats the headline and it grabs the alts and they run with it, but I did a search for updates, and this is what I found.
[12:18] <+Areik> Joel, do you think Arnold should be allowed to be Prez of USA?
[12:19] <+Joel> Areik: absolutely, i think after a certain time a naturalized citizen should be eligible, he's been a citizen for decades
[12:19] <@Ross> hillary would have lost the nomination to bernie if it werent for her starting with the super delegates
[12:19] <@VirtualPreacher> barabbas` then you should keep looking. this is a fact not a headline. and if you refer to me as an "alt" again you will be called to task to define exactly what it means and if you refuse and then say it again you are gone.
[12:19] <+Areik> Joel: I'm beginning to think the same thing.  Not sure we'll ever see that changed in our lifetime.
[12:19] <+Joel> Ross that's not really true, bernie got a lot of votes but ultimately hillary got more, more pledged delegates, she had it wrapped up without the superdelegates
[12:20] <@VirtualPreacher> i'm sick of all of the psychotic vitriol
[12:20] <+Areik> go for a jog, then
[12:20] <@Ross> after bernie dropped out
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[12:20] <@VirtualPreacher> i'm not joking
[12:20] <+barabbas`> This is from seven days ago : Firm: No proof of Trump voter fraud claims in Michigan http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2017/01/26/firm-proof-trump-voter-fraud-claims-michigan/97088356/
[12:21] <@VirtualPreacher> if someone cannot debate a topic without nasty name calling and hateful spiteful derision they do not have any business debating here.
[12:21] <+Joel> Ross bernie stayed in until the last of the primaries, i voted for him in my state's primary because i saw him as the stronger candidate, but i agreed with him in the end that we had to get behind hillary
[12:21] <@Ross> he may have been on the ticket, but bernie did drop out
[12:22] <+Joel> he conceded that he didn't have enough delegates to get the nomination, but he had already let everyone vote
[12:22] <+karstensrage> isnt 'psychotic' name-calling?
[12:22] <@VirtualPreacher> http://www.reuters.com/article/us-detroit-election-ballots-idUSKBN1422KP        reuters
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[12:24] <+barabbas`> VirtualPreacher That reuters article was from Dec. the one I posted that has a long article about the investigation was from 7 days ago. Again, I went to find UPDATED information.
[12:24] <@VirtualPreacher> so reuters reports vote tally irregularities, michigan states it will conduct a full audit/ results from that audit are published? yes or no?
[12:25] <@VirtualPreacher> as of jan 24 they say the audit is still ongoing. did they finish it already?
[12:25] <@VirtualPreacher> did they conclude the first reports were incorrect?
[12:26] <+barabbas`> VirtualPreacher So to sum it up I DID look further into it. I found the most RECENT articles about voter fraud in Michegan and posted it here. So, yoiu can continue referring back to December if you like, but the most recent conclusions is NO FRAUD IN MICHEGAN.
[12:26] <@VirtualPreacher> is that a yes or a no?
[12:27] <@VirtualPreacher> yes the audit has been finalized? no it has not? did the audit find the first report to be incorrect?
[12:27] <+barabbas`> thats a fact. The most recent discovery is NO FRAUD IN MICHEGAN. Now I am moving on. God Bless
[12:27] <@VirtualPreacher> that is a false claim.
[12:27] <+rambo919> hasent every voting day had fraud spots since 2000?
[12:27] <@VirtualPreacher> 1. the audit is ongoing. 2. the audit has not concluded that the information regarding detroit precincts having more votes than voters is not correct.
[12:28] <+barabbas`> Take it up with the REPUBLICAN firm that presented their findings in that article.
[12:28] <@Ross> this site gives the following delegate count with hillary only having 357 more delegate of 4707 or  7.6% of the total more than hillary .... .... the demonrats didnt even favor hillary
[12:28] <@Ross> https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-delegate-tracker/
[12:28] <+THERetroGamerNY> Ross, can you kindly not use that term? =\
[12:28] <@Ross> it was a vote for anyway but hillary
[12:28] <@VirtualPreacher> why would I care that the firm claims to be republican? both democrats and republicans engage in vote fraud, neither want it to be investigated.
[12:29] <@Ross> THERetroGamerNY ... maybe when you stop villifying trum
[12:29] <@Ross> p
[12:30] <+THERetroGamerNY> Criticism from me isn't "vilifying". And I don't call people names like that anyways.
[12:30] <+THERetroGamerNY> Well... at, least, try not to. Hardly perfect.
[12:30] <+barabbas`> Initial results from an ongoing review of Michigan voting data by Anderson Economic Group of East Lansing is consistent with the firm’s previous analysis
debunking fraud “conspiracy theories” perpetuated by Stein and others, CEO Patrick Anderson told The Detroit News.
[12:30] <@VirtualPreacher> both R and D try to guffaw and mock attempts to investigate voter fraud in spite of mounting evidence of possible widespread voter fraud. also interesting that when it suited them the dems went hog wild over specious claims of russian hacking and some even threatened *military response* and then when it comes to investigating domestic voter fraud they run the opposite direction as fast as they can
[12:31] <+rambo919> trump might be better than HELLary but he's still a terrible choice
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[12:32] <@Ross> have voter id cards and make the voter dip their finger in a jar of ink so they can vote a 2nd time with a fraudualent id card
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[12:33] <@Ross> i'll drop it for you THERetroGamerNY
[12:33] <+THERetroGamerNY> Thank you, sir.
[12:33] <@kCaleb> fact check request -->  is it true Americans mail their payment of federal income tax to a different address than they mail their tax return ?
[12:34] <+THERetroGamerNY> ?
[12:34] <+THERetroGamerNY> Well, there's different taxes to file...
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[12:34] <@Ross> yes it is kCaleb
[12:34] <+THERetroGamerNY> State and Federal.
[12:34] <+THERetroGamerNY> So, yeah.
[12:35] <+barabbas`> The point is, other than Trump NO one in any federal or state government that is directly involved with the process of voting in the US believes there is any large scale voter fraud. No one, other than Trump, believes the last election was influenced whatsoever by voter fraud. And NO one, other than Trump, distrusts ALL the investigations done by each of the Sec. of State before they
[12:35] <+barabbas`> validated the elections in their particular states.
[12:35] <@Caleb> World Bank whistle blower Karen Hudes says the tax payments go directly to the Federal Reserve.  Is that true?
[12:35] <+Joel> Ross hillary won the nomination outright, it was closer than a lot of people *expected* but she nonetheless got the majority of pledged delegates
[12:35] <+karstensrage> and the motivation is suspect, he did usurp the presidency by all accounts, why does he care about validating it?
[12:36] <+THERetroGamerNY> Caleb, knowing politicians it likely is all spent on whiskey and other acts of debauchery.
[12:36] <+karstensrage> by proving non-existent fraud
[12:36] <+karstensrage> i mean by all accounts hes sitting in the chair
[12:36] <+Raven`X> Trump won... what's his problem? Is his ego too big to admit that Hillary got more popular votes?
[12:36] <+rambo919> why is it that whenever a republican wins he "steals" the election? I remember the same kind of "outrage" when bush won
[12:36] <@Caleb> usurp?  really karstensrage ?  you think Trump stole the election with Russian hacker help?
[12:37] <+barabbas`> We should keep an eye on what he is doing, like threatening to invade Mexico to take care of their bad hombres.
[12:37] <+Raven`X> Maybe because they didn't win the popular vote?
[12:37] <@VirtualPreacher> barabbas` that is an incredible falsehood i can barely believe you just said "no one other than trump believes the last election was influenced by voter fraud"
[12:37] <+karstensrage> Caleb, i dont think Trump himself had anything to do with it other than maybe being an old boy in the old boys club
[12:37] <+Joel> Raven`X: indeed, i actually agree with the president that we don't know how a true national election would have turned out, maybe he would've won anyway.. he should just be glad he won in the system we have and move forward
[12:37] <@VirtualPreacher> but lately you seem bent on making outrageous claims like that
[12:37] <+THERetroGamerNY> Well, the man is a television personality... has a very large ego. Unsurprising that numbers and popularity are a major focus for him.
[12:38] <+barabbas`> VirtualPreacher I just gave you a source that backs it up. Did  you read it, or just assume it didn't say what I said it did say?
[12:38] <@VirtualPreacher> barabbas` i find it amusin you think there is a source you could cite that could establish "no one but trump believes the last election was influenced by voter fraud"
[12:38] <+barabbas`> I see outragous claims on the other side as well.
[12:38] <+barabbas`> Just as I thought, you didn't read the source I provided.
[12:39] <@Caleb> popular schmopular.  did Trump win the electoral college vote?  If YES then the popular vote is moot until election reform changes the rules.    Right?  or would that be an alt-Right legal opinion?
[12:39] <@VirtualPreacher> i'm not talking about sides. i'm referring specifically to you.
[12:39] <+THERetroGamerNY> I would imagine it sorta natural the losing party always sees the other side as cheating. Human nature.
[12:39] <+karstensrage> THERetroGamerNY, also human nature that when youve done something wrong, you look for confirmations that what you did was right
[12:39] <+Joel> Caleb that's true, trump won in the system we have, we can't change it retroactively, he is the president
[12:39] <+THERetroGamerNY> Yeah. The man legally won.
[12:39] <@VirtualPreacher> preventing voter fraud is not about "sides" it is about the integrity of our elections something every american should care about. except of course those that intend to try to benefit from it.
[12:40] <+karstensrage> ego doesnt account for the insanity that he pursues these seemingly irrelevant things
[12:40] <+barabbas`> Caleb; The popular vote isn't moot when it comes to how he governs. He didn't get a mandate to do as he pleases.He said he wants to unify the country, well to
[12:36] <+karstensrage> not usurp the presidency
[12:36] <+karstensrage> i mean by all accounts hes sitting in the chair
[12:36] <+Raven`X> Trump won... what's his problem? Is his ego too big to admit that Hillary got more popular votes?
[12:36] <+rambo919> why is it that whenever a republican wins he "steals" the election? I remember the same kind of "outrage" when bush won
[12:36] <@Caleb> usurp?  really karstensrage ?  you think Trump stole the election with Russian hacker help?
[12:37] <+barabbas`> We should keep an eye on what he is doing, like threatening to invade Mexico to take care of their bad hombres.
[12:37] <+Raven`X> Maybe because they didn't win the popular vote?
[12:37] <@VirtualPreacher> barabbas` that is an incredible falsehood i can barely believe you just said "no one other than trump believes the last election was influenced by voter fraud"
[12:37] <+karstensrage> Caleb, i dont think Trump himself had anything to do with it other than maybe being an old boy in the old boys club
[12:37] <+Joel> Raven`X: indeed, i actually agree with the president that we don't know how a true national election would have turned out, maybe he would've won anyway.. he should just be glad he won in the system we have and move forward
[12:37] <@VirtualPreacher> but lately you seem bent on making outrageous claims like that
[12:37] <+THERetroGamerNY> Well, the man is a television personality... has a very large ego. Unsurprising that numbers and popularity are a major focus for him.
[12:38] <+barabbas`> VirtualPreacher I just gave you a source that backs it up. Did  you read it, or just assume it didn't say what I said it did say?
[12:38] <@VirtualPreacher> barabbas` i find it amusin you think there is a source you could cite that could establish "no one but trump believes the last election was influenced by voter fraud"
[12:38] <+barabbas`> I see outragous claims on the other side as well.
[12:38] <+barabbas`> Just as I thought, you didn't read the source I provided.
[12:39] <@Caleb> popular schmopular.  did Trump win the electoral college vote?  If YES then the popular vote is moot until election reform changes the rules.    Right?  or would that be an alt-Right legal opinion?
[12:39] <@VirtualPreacher> i'm not talking about sides. i'm referring specifically to you.
[12:39] <+THERetroGamerNY> I would imagine it sorta natural the losing party always sees the other side as cheating. Human nature.
[12:39] <+karstensrage> THERetroGamerNY, also human nature that when youve done something wrong, you look for confirmations that what you did was right
[12:39] <+Joel> Caleb that's true, trump won in the system we have, we can't change it retroactively, he is the president
[12:39] <+THERetroGamerNY> Yeah. The man legally won.
[12:39] <@VirtualPreacher> preventing voter fraud is not about "sides" it is about the integrity of our elections something every american should care about. except of course those that intend to try to benefit from it.
[12:40] <+karstensrage> ego doesnt account for the insanity that he pursues these seemingly irrelevant things
[12:40] <+barabbas`> Caleb; The popular vote isn't moot when it comes to how he governs. He didn't get a mandate to do as he pleases.He said he wants to unify the country, well to
unify he needs to reach out to the majority who didn't vote for him along with those who didn't vote at all.
[12:40] <+karstensrage> most of the population hates him
[12:41] <@VirtualPreacher> karstensrage that is a falsehood.
[12:41] <@VirtualPreacher> daily presidential approval rating tracking polls has his daily average higher than obama.
[12:41] <+karstensrage> http://www.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx
[12:41] <+THERetroGamerNY> Yeah. The fact that he didn't grab the popular is actually relevant, and hardly an issue to just be ignored. It means he was placed in power legally, but against the wishes of the majority. It's quite a divisive and tense issue.
[12:41] <@VirtualPreacher> so far it has occilated between 51 to 59%
[12:42] <+karstensrage> VirtualPreacher, 45%
[12:42] <+karstensrage> nothing above 47%
[12:42] <+barabbas`> We know the integrity of our elections was attacked by Putin's Russia. We know our president spoke to Putin and one of our stanchiest allies. We know our president has praised Putin. We know our President insulted Turnbull. We know our president also insulted Mexico and Mexicans. All in one day. So, if we are going to look into our election being tampered with, we have already done
[12:42] <+barabbas`> that. Question is, will this president do anything about it, or will he give Putin a pass?
[12:42] <@Caleb> liberals should have a care just how treasonous their banter gets about "killing the president" etc.  <--- what we want to see is THE RULE OF LAW .  it's a simple thing really. follow what the constitution says about issuing currency for a start.
[12:43] <@VirtualPreacher> barabbas` you do not know any of those things actually you are only claiming them.
[12:43] <+karstensrage> lol
[12:43] <+barabbas`> We also know while we are all up in arms about Trumps Muslim Ban, Putin has begun shooting up the Ukraine again. But nothing out of our president about this.
[12:43] <+THERetroGamerNY> Um, dude, ANYBODY who mentions killing POTUS is bad. Not just Liberals.
[12:43] <@VirtualPreacher> The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that 53% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. Forty-seven percent (47%) disapprove.
[12:43] <+barabbas`> VirtualPreacher Really? Just turn on your TV to any channel with news. Or open any newspaper, or news service like Reuters. Its all there.
[12:43] <+fred__w> If your state likes someone  thadoes not give them theright to force my state to cocede its level of soverignty
[12:43] <@VirtualPreacher> http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_feb2
[12:44] <+barabbas`> We were talking about the importance of the fact he LOST the popular vote, Not about his approval rating.
[12:44] <+fred__w> thats why its united states  each state respects the others
[12:44] <@Caleb> sadly barabbas` , the mainstream media is simply complicit in a criminal conspiracy , they are its mouthpiece and nothing more.  they are fake news to quote the Donald
[12:44] <@VirtualPreacher> barabbas` yes a lot of blabbering and specious commentary by yellow journalists. if as you claim the "integrity of our elections was attacked by russia" why did the issue slink away to die so quickly?
[12:45] <@Caleb> because it was proven false VP?
[12:45] <+THERetroGamerNY> Caleb, that's hyperbolic. =\
[12:45] <@VirtualPreacher> because there was no actual substance to the claims, yes.
[12:45] <@Caleb> Trump called CNN "fake news" to their face
[12:45] <@Caleb> in a press conference in th white house
[12:45] <+barabbas`> http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/27/politics/trump-approval-rating-quinnipiac-poll/ Poll: 36% approve of Trump's job performance Updated 6:21 PM ET, Fri January 27, 2017
[12:46] <@VirtualPreacher> it was concocted as a false narrative to try to interdict trump. and some people seem to still believe it in spite of the fact that it was revealed to be false.
[12:46] <+fred__w> What ive heard is like 57% approval lately
[12:46] <+Joel> the fake news issue is significant, but ultimately the voters have to be responsible for verifying claims made before they decide how to vote.. we can't blame the russians for what our citizens unwittingly believe
[12:46] <+rambo919> lots of people think of cnn as fake news anyway
[12:46] <+rambo919> he was not the first
[12:47] <+barabbas`> President Trump’s Disapproval Rating Has Shot Up in the Past 4 Days Trump's disapproval rating has increased 6 points in the last 4 days, according to the poll. As of Jan. 28, about 51% of Americans polled disapproved of Trump, up from 45% on Jan. 22 — six days prior to the most recent results. By contrast, about 42% approve of the job he's doing, a more moderate change compared
[12:47] <+barabbas`> to the 45% who approved of him on Jan. 22. http://fortune.com/2017/01/29/donald-trump-approval-rating-gallup/
[12:47] <+THERetroGamerNY> The panels of talking heads on CNN are mostly to blame. One joker on here is basically a Liberal Liar, and the rest is just opinions.
[12:48] <+fred__w> I can say those who elected him are ecstatic that he hit the floor running
[12:48] <+Joel> cnn is more like watered-down news, it's commercial tv.. it's a good resource for live breaking news, but not substantial enough overall to be a primary news source
[12:48] <@Caleb> what about Chaffetz and Gowdy forcing the FBI to turn over Clintons server?  there is evidence of her sending above top secret intelligence to Saudi Arabia and Qatar IP addresses on that server.  do you think there might be jail time there?  I do.  Why do I know what's on the server?  because former US intelligence officials have said so publicly.  (Pieczenik and Steele)
[12:48] <+fred__w> everyone knows the media bias
[12:48] <+THERetroGamerNY> Joel, agreed. Way too much of an echo chamber for me. I'm a Liberal... I don't need CNN to make a Lib Echo Chamber for me.
[12:49] <+barabbas`> VirtualPreacher You can claim it is blabbering if you like. I know that is KellyAnn's and Spicers position as well. Although they had a different adjective.
[12:50] <@VirtualPreacher> barabbas` since all those claims about russia hacking our election were revealed to be total malarky, yes. it was all blabbering.
[12:50] <+fred__w> i get tired of hearing the bellyaching  i turn the channel  or turn it off
[12:50] <+barabbas`> VirtualPreacher They were? Where is the reports that they are malarky? Now this sounds like blabbering to me.
[12:50] <+rambo919> and the who owes who an apology for daring to exist....
[12:51] <@VirtualPreacher> anti trump propoganda ginned up by leftists and yellow journalists who had already been outed in wikileaks as being so deep in the tank for hillary they could not see the trump train coming until it flattened them like a pancake.
[12:51] <+THERetroGamerNY> Russia hacked the DNC. Obama retaliated. Rather a closed and done issue.
[12:51] <@Caleb> liberals need to research the funding of all their issues by George Soros.  More than a half dozen countries consider him a criminal for things like "race baiting" etc. which he does to destabilize countries and currencies that he is betting against.  he's a fascist co-opting neo-marxists patsies.  He PAID to create black lives matter, etc. etc
[12:51] <@Caleb> do liberals really want to stand shoulder to shoulder when it all comes out?
[12:51] <+THERetroGamerNY> I have done so, Caleb. Most of what is claimed with Soros is conspiracy theories. =\
[12:52] <+Raven`X> Those are some bold claims Caleb. Would you by chance have any citations to back that up?
[12:52] <@VirtualPreacher> Caleb that is true and it is possible he will wind up having his assets seized and prosecuted for subversion. it is a crime to fund criminal activity, which is what some of the organizations he has backed are involved in.
[12:52] <@Caleb> the very phrase "conspiracy theory" was coined by the CIA to discredit questioning of JFK assassination
[12:52] <+THERetroGamerNY> Just conspiracy theories, Raven`X. Like the one that claims Soros owns Snopes. lol
[12:52] <+barabbas`> VirtualPreacher Besides, I didn't say Russia HACKED out election. I said THEY TRIED TO INFLUENCE IT. I don't know, other than you seem to think that by adding the word hacking it changes the facts, why you cant accept the fact Russia weaponized HACKED emails in an attempt to change the outcome of our election. Now if you believe this is malarky, that is fine. No one in government
[12:52] <+barabbas`> believes it is malarky.
[12:52] <@VirtualPreacher> barabbas` oh but you did. let me get the quote
[12:53] <+THERetroGamerNY> Caleb, it's simple wording. "Conspiracy" meaning just that... and "theory" meaning lack of facts.
[12:53] <@VirtualPreacher> [11:42] <barabbas`> We know the integrity of our elections was attacked by Putin's Russia......
[12:53] <+barabbas`> VirtualPreacher Did Russia USE HACKED Emails? YES OR NO
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[12:53] <@Caleb> barabbas`:   again people have come forward and admitted it was a leak by the US intelligence services in a counter coup.    WAKE UP
[12:53] <+barabbas`> VirtualPreacher yes ATTACKED not HACKED duh
[12:53] <@VirtualPreacher> putting out propoganda is not "attacking the integrity of our elections" lol
[12:53] <+THERetroGamerNY> Russia hacked the DNC. Obama retaliated. This isn't even up for debate. =\
[12:53] <@VirtualPreacher> is that what you refer to? in that case no big deal.
[12:54] <@Caleb> the DNC emails etc were LEAKED , not hacked or stolen
[12:54] <+barabbas`> VirtualPreacher well you are at odds with many senators and congressmen and even a few cabinent members. I don't know what else to tell you.
[12:54] <+THERetroGamerNY> Caleb, did you seriously just say that? lol
[12:54] <+THERetroGamerNY> The DNC servers were accessed via a SpearPhish attack by a known Russian group. The emails were then leaked out.
[12:54] <+fred__w> as i see it  the internal propaganda couldnt overcome the truth
[12:54] <@VirtualPreacher> barabbas` yes. I am at odds with many senators and congressmen and a few cabinet members. so are other senators and congressmen and cabinet members lol
[12:54] <@Caleb> sure , google Steve Paczenik, get it right from the horse's mouth.  or from one of their public spokesmen
[12:55] <+THERetroGamerNY> It was a hack, Caleb .
[12:55] <@Caleb> you are misinformed,
[12:55] <@VirtualPreacher> saying "by a known russian group" is not accurate. i presume you refer to fancy bear
[12:56] <+barabbas`> TEll me which senators is on record saying the Russians didn't attack our electoral process. "
[12:56] <@VirtualPreacher> you might not be aware that the software used is commercially available to anyone that wants to download it.
[12:56] <@Caleb> the former British ambassador to (some African country) and close friend of Assange said he recieved it on a USB thumbdrive in person in New York.  so NO HACKING.  it was a leak
[12:56] <@Caleb> this is confirmed by Pieczenik and Steele (former CIA operative)
[12:57] <@Caleb> where have you all been ?  why don't you already know this?
[12:57] <@Caleb> I gotta go
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[12:57] <+barabbas`> Its starting to look as if the Yemen raid was first proposed under Obama and rejected due to lack of enough intelligence and low probability for success. Seems they were right and shoot from the hip Trump, got it wrong.
[12:58] <@VirtualPreacher> glad that we have you on the inside of the intelligence community barabbas` to let us know the secrets
[12:59] <+barabbas`> VirtualPreacher This came out today, leaks from the DOD. Its an ongoing story
[12:59] <+THERetroGamerNY> Yeah, and were did the info on the thumb drive originate from, Caleb? Magic? No. Was hacked from the DNC. Oops, he left. Tsk.
[12:59] <@VirtualPreacher> like the value metric of the yield from yemen that they still have not finished analyzing lol
[12:59] <+barabbas`> Sean Spicer was just questioned about it in the daily press briefing.
[13:00] <@VirtualPreacher> THERetroGamerNY that has not been conclusively determined actually. it could have been hacked, it could have been a leak by an insider.
[13:00] <+THERetroGamerNY> It was conclusively determined. It was a SpearPhish attack.
[13:00] <@VirtualPreacher> barabbas` yes, and he stated they consider it a treasure trove of data
[13:00] <+THERetroGamerNY> Which, in all honestly, might as well have been an insider.
[13:00] <+barabbas`> Well Trump did say that family members were open game, and he did as he said.
[13:01] <@VirtualPreacher> THERetroGamerNY that is false why dont you understand how this works? even if a hack occurs, that does not determine the source of information leaked elsewhere, in this case wikileaks.
[13:01] <+barabbas`> So, Obama gets Bin Laden with no loss of American lives. Trump gets some hardrives at the cost of an 8 year old girls life and a seal team members life. Not a good start for this commander in chief.
[13:02] <+THERetroGamerNY> Okay. And? I sorta just said that.
[13:02] <@VirtualPreacher> as in, russians could have hacked dnc, china, iran, billy bob from minnesota etc. and then an insider leaks info.
[13:02] <+THERetroGamerNY> DNC was hacked by a known Russian group.
[13:02] <+THERetroGamerNY> Then they gave the info out.
[13:02] <@VirtualPreacher> none of those help you determine by themselves which is the source
[13:03] <+THERetroGamerNY> The source was a Russian group with a generic intel name. Can't even remember it.
[13:03] <@VirtualPreacher> that is the claim which has not been conclusively determined "dnc was hacked by a known russian group".
[13:03] <@Ross> the statue of liberty from france is medling in our politics for how many years now
[13:03] <@VirtualPreacher> the claimed source was fancy bear
[13:03] <+THERetroGamerNY> Yeah, it has. Obama already kicked them out of the US, along with a bunch of other Russian operatives. Done deal.
[13:04] <@VirtualPreacher> based on the software used. but the software is actually commercially available
[13:04] <@VirtualPreacher> that is false.
[13:04] <@VirtualPreacher> the fact obama expelled diplomats does not establish the veracity of the claim russian state actors hacked DNC lol
[13:04] <+THERetroGamerNY> I never said that. Strawman.
[13:04] <@VirtualPreacher> thats like saying 'well bob punched stan in the nose that proves stan slept with bob's wife"
[13:04] <+THERetroGamerNY> I never said that. Strawman.
[13:05] <@VirtualPreacher> [12:03] <VirtualPreacher> that is the claim which has not been conclusively determined "dnc was hacked by a known russian group".[12:04] <THERetroGamerNY> Yeah, it has. Obama already kicked them out of the US, along with a bunch of other Russian operatives. Done deal.
[13:05] <@VirtualPreacher> i see no strawman
[13:05] <@Ross> from what i hear, the dems were told of the hacking didnt seem to care
[13:05] <+THERetroGamerNY> The hack is done, over with, and dealt with. Not even an issue anymore.
[13:05] <+barabbas`> WEll, judging by how Russia operates when it comes to hacking The professionals looking into the hacks have come to the conclusion that it walked like a russian duck, smelled like a russian duck and sounded like a russian duck, therefore it was a russian duck. Now that may not be definitive to some, especially if they don't know what a
russian duck looks like, but it is difinitive to
[13:05] <+barabbas`> those in the intelligence community who are experts on russian ducks.
[13:05] <+THERetroGamerNY> I really don't care about your personal claims on it anyways.
[13:05] <+THERetroGamerNY> It's old news.
[13:06] <@VirtualPreacher> oh but it isnt. the investigation is ongoing and the response undetermined.
[13:06] <+THERetroGamerNY> The response was already done. O_o
[13:06] <@VirtualPreacher> if in fact russian state sponsored hacking of this nature occurred its still an issue.
[13:06] <+THERetroGamerNY> Russia is always an issue, yeah.
[13:06] <+THERetroGamerNY> They're a pain.
[13:07] <+barabbas`> The argument now seems to be by those who have seen a russian duck with spots and didn't see spots on this russian duck so they doubt its voracity. Problem is they are ignorant of the fact that some, not all, russian ducks don't have spots.
[13:07] <@VirtualPreacher> the problem is it has not been determined in spite of the spurious claims of some in the previous administration and their very bizarre behavior over it.
[13:07] <@Ross> i dont understand, the democrats say there was voter fraud, i say no more than any other elections, but why dont teh democrats want the investigation so as to prevent fraud in the next eletion
[13:07] <+THERetroGamerNY> It's a closed and done deal. Russia did it. We kicked back. Done. Old news.
[13:08] <@VirtualPreacher> Ross good question.
[13:08] <+THERetroGamerNY> Ross, they see no evidence of this fraud.
[13:08] <+THERetroGamerNY> Or something.
[13:08] <@VirtualPreacher> THERetroGamerNY you might want to inform the IC and the legislators, since they are not "done" with it by any stretch.
[13:08] <+barabbas`> It has been determined by all those in the intelligence community who know russian ducks as well as anyone. It is disputed by those outside the intelligence community who have heard about russian ducks but really don't know what a russian duck looks like.
[13:08] <+THERetroGamerNY> VP, this topic is boring me. It's old news.
[13:08] <@VirtualPreacher> barabbas` that is a false claim.
[13:08] <@Ross> like all the european nations interfer i our politics
[13:09] <+barabbas`> No, it is the claim by the intelligence community. Again, it was in all the papers.
[13:09] <@VirtualPreacher> THERetroGamerNY you are not obliged to continue
[13:09] <@VirtualPreacher> barabbas` yes and that is a false claim.
[13:09] <+THERetroGamerNY> I'm aware, but thanks.
[13:09] <+barabbas`> VirtualPreacher well you calling it a false claim sounds like a duck quacking. Not sure if it is a russian duck or some other breed.
[13:09] <@VirtualPreacher> there is no such person as "all those in the intelligence community" lol
[13:09] <@Ross> do russian ducks go quack quack or chirp chirp
[13:10] * VirtualPreacher sets mode: +b *!*@c-50-181-128-176.hsd1.wa.comcast.net
[13:10] <+THERetroGamerNY> They go nyet nyet
[13:10] * barabbas` was kicked by VirtualPreacher (should have known better)