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- milkness
- i'd ask 'is it thursday already?'
- infspire
- milkness: Have you ever thought about this clip in the context of your name:
- infspire
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9BISHFOFXQ
- drPrimate has set topic: RIP Bernie Sanders
- lockie has changed mode: +t
- infspire
- Curdling...is the essence of milkness...and milkness...is the essence of a sick stomach.
- milkness
- cant say i've ever taken my nick that seriously, but yes there is a parallel
- lockie has changed mode: -t
- milkness
- i dont drink milk anymore actually..i only ever had it in coffee
- milkness
- and since i dont drink coffee anymore as it's acidic...
- SharPNYG
- Why the fuck don't u drink coffee
- milkness
- i have gastritis, coffee is a no-no
- infspire
- You make a strong point: Watching Youtube clips is pretty serious bidness.
- SharPNYG
- ={
- infspire
- I've had like three coffees in my life.
- infspire
- It's objectively not good.
- SharPNYG
- U are nuts
- infspire
- People just drink it because they need that co-kye-eena.
- milkness
- clearly, posty lol
- infspire
- I get hot chocolates when I got out with The Boys to the brewery.
- infspire
- Soy milk, of course.
- SharPNYG
- Lol
- infspire
- No whip.
- milkness
- soy is awful for you
- milkness
- but moreso for women
- 15:36 infspire
- That's propaganda.
- infspire
- Are you aware of that?
- milkness
- no way man
- infspire
- Citation, then.
- milkness
- nut milk is better for a euro hormone set
- milkness
- than soy milk
- infspire
- In what way is soy "awful for you"?
- milkness
- which has a lot of this faux estrogen or something
- infspire
- Soybeans contain isoflavones called genistein and daidzein, which are one source of phytoestrogens in the human diet. Because most naturally occurring phytoestrogens act as selective estrogen receptor modulators, or SERMs, which do not necessarily act as direct agonists of estrogen receptors, normal consumption of foods that contain these phytoestrogens should not provide sufficient amounts to elicit a physiologi
- infspire
- cal response in humans.[172][173]
- infspire
- It's propaganda.
- infspire
- It's created by corporations that harvest animals for their meat, and recognize soy is a competitor product.
- infspire
- There's literally nothing more to these claims.
- milkness
- it's not propaganda, there are many conflicting scientific studies
- milkness
- those soy isoflavones can bind to estrogen in the body
- infspire
- "should not provide sufficient amounts"
- milkness
- depending on your ethinic group and how you are taking the soy
- milkness
- you get various results on the body
- infspire
- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2587438/
- infspire
- Citation, then.
- infspire
- Most soy that is produced is eaten by animals that are eaten by humans.
- milkness
- https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/statement-susan-mayne-phd-proposal-revoke-health-claim-soy-protein-reduces-risk-heart-disease only one tiny citation, there are plenty of others like i said..there is no blanket statement when it comes to soy
- infspire
- You stated that "soy is awful for you".
- infspire
- "there are many conflicting scientific studies"
- milkness
- well i was being lazy
- infspire
- And in your "laziness" you repeated propaganda.
- infspire
- Very helpful.
- infspire
- The goal is to connect "womanness" with soy.
- infspire
- It's a literal marketing/propaganda technique of corporations that do not care about your well-being.
- infspire
- It's like how beer and cigarettes will make you a cowboy stud.
- infspire
- C'mon.
- infspire
- You're better than that.
- milkness
- well i dont feel i was repeating propaganda, i am aware of positive, netural and negative studies
- milkness
- but since there are negative study results
- milkness
- i just dont take soy.
- milkness
- it's no drama, i use cashew milk if i need it
- milkness
- you can get offended if you want.
- milkness
- https://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/61/13/5045.short
- infspire
- milkness: The eating of animals, in addition to be unethical, is an existential threat to our species through climate change effects.
- infspire
- Our global civilization is under threat from that dietary practice.
- infspire
- Corporations don't give a fuck about any of that and want to maximize profits in the next few quarters.
- milkness
- that's not true, farming creates far less problems re: climate change than long haul flights.
- infspire
- If we're going to reduce that GHG source, we're going to have to modify diets, including increases in things like soy.
- milkness
- the amount of fuel a plane burns
- milkness
- on one long haul trip
- infspire
- What you said is propaganda put out by those corporations to lessen the chance of that modification, which is a threat to our species.
- milkness
- is enough for a decent sized local farm around here to operate for 11 years
- infspire
- You should be offended.
- infspire
- milkness: Incorrect.
- infspire
- And a non sequitur.
- infspire
- Animal farming is a bigger contributor to climate change *than all transportation technologies combined*.
- milkness
- also we are a part of nature and we evolved as predators, hunters and gatherers
- infspire
- Irrelevant.
- infspire
- We don't live in that world.
- infspire
- We live in modernity in 2019 with 7.6 billion people.
- infspire
- If we continue some of the sacred practices of our history, we'll die.
- milkness
- if humans werent intensively farming and chopping down carbon sinks like forests
- infspire
- This is extremely consistent with evolution.
- milkness
- you'd have no legs to stand on
- infspire
- Humans, through technology, changed the landscape they're in more than their genetics have changed.
- 15:47 milkness
- a farm around here barely contributes to global climate change
- infspire
- Evolution teaches that this mismatch represents a threat to our continued existence.
- milkness
- you instantly retorted with incorrect
- infspire
- False.
- milkness
- you didnt ask about what sort of farms i meant
- infspire
- I never mentioned "a farm".
- milkness
- i did
- infspire
- That's a strawman fallacy.
- milkness
- you responded to me
- milkness
- farms are how meat is raised, dear...
- milkness
- you're all dont eat meat
- milkness
- it's mean
- infspire
- I haven't stated that in this conversation.
- infspire
- Strawman fallacy.
- milkness
- i am more than happy to eat meat if the animal is raised and butchered ethically
- infspire
- "have to modify diets"
- infspire
- milkness: That's an entirely different topic.
- infspire
- You're discussing the personal ethics.
- milkness
- [11:46:05] <infspire> Animal farming is a bigger contributor to climate change *than all transportation technologies combined*.
- infspire
- I'm discussing climate change mediated effects of dietary practices in global civilization.
- milkness
- [11:47:52] <infspire> I never mentioned "a farm".
- infspire
- Correct.
- infspire
- You may request a citation.
- infspire
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livestock%27s_Long_Shadow
- infspire
- If you wish to discuss only a farm, then that's fine.
- milkness
- i was comparing one long haul flight
- infspire
- You should relinquish any claim you have to guiding global civilization.
- milkness
- to one farm operating for a decade
- milkness
- a farm around here
- infspire
- I don't have information on that.
- milkness
- they average, oh, 500 cows?
- infspire
- But it's not relevant.
- milkness
- you didnt ask
- infspire
- I'm discussing climate change mediated effects of dietary practices in global civilization.
- milkness
- you seem pretty couped up in your own idea of what is right
- milkness
- this will be an endless discussion and im not really interested in continuing in that vein
- infspire
- I am a precise philosopher, and you are not.
- infspire
- That is the source of our mismatch.
- milkness
- i dont think your precise point making is doing more than promoting your beliefs
- infspire
- False.
- infspire
- My citations are from the scientific community and are designed to accurately assess reality.
- infspire
- This is the most fundamental, most pro-social activity a person can do.
- infspire
- milkness: Soy is not awful.
- infspire
- That is a pernicious lie.
- milkness
- soy is the devil
- milkness
- soy killed jimmy hoffa, inf.
- infspire
- There's some disputed evidence that for some groups of people there might be "an effect" of the estrogenic properties in soy.
- milkness
- anyway the long haul flight thing is interesting
- milkness
- "On an individual level, there is no other human activity that emits as much over such a short period of time as aviation, because it is so energy-intensive," Gössling explains.
- milkness
- a single person taking one roundtrip flight from Germany to the Caribbean produces the same amount of damaging emissions as 80 average residents of Tanzania do in an entire year: around four metric tons of CO2.
- infspire
- Although considerable research has examined the potential for soy consumption to lower the risk of breast cancer in women, there is insufficient population evidence to make a conclusion about this relationship, as of 2016.[159] A 2011 meta-analysis stated: "Our study suggests soy isoflavones intake is associated with a significant reduced risk of breast cancer incidence in Asian populations, but not in Western po
- infspire
- pulations."[179]
- infspire
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soybean#Breast_cancer
- infspire
- "to lower the risk"
- milkness
- "The sector makes a contribution to global warming that is at least twice the effect of CO2 alone," Gössling told DW, settling on an overall contribution of 5 percent "at minimum."
- milkness
- so i hope you dont fly to thailand often, inf
- milkness
- in your quest for underage sex.
- infspire
- milkness: Yes, air travel is a large portion of an individual's carbon load.
- milkness
- as you're undoing all the good being a vegetarian does.
- infspire
- milkness: That is a tu quoque fallacy.
- infspire
- Tu quoque (/tjuːˈkwoʊkwi, tuːˈkwoʊkweɪ/;[1] Latin for "you also"), or the appeal to hypocrisy, is a fallacy that intends to discredit the opponent's argument by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with its conclusion(s). The Oxford English Dictionary cites John Cooke's 1614 stage play, The Cittie Gallant, as the earliest use of the term in the English language.[1]
- 15:57 infspire
- What a person does in their personal life has no effect on the truth-value of generic claims they're making about the world.
- milkness
- https://www.dw.com/en/to-fly-or-not-to-fly-the-environmental-cost-of-air-travel/a-42090155 that entire article is interesting
- infspire
- milkness: I have decided to hold you accountable for some of your fallacies today.
- infspire
- It's somewhat unfortunate, as I have had other pleasant conversations with you.
- infspire
- milkness: I destroyed you for 72 hours for your repeated fallacies.
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