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fallacies with milkness

Oct 2nd, 2019
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  2. milkness
  3. i'd ask 'is it thursday already?'
  4. infspire
  5. milkness: Have you ever thought about this clip in the context of your name:
  6. infspire
  7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9BISHFOFXQ
  8.  
  9. drPrimate has set topic: RIP Bernie Sanders
  10. lockie has changed mode: +t
  11. infspire
  12. Curdling...is the essence of milkness...and milkness...is the essence of a sick stomach.
  13. milkness
  14. cant say i've ever taken my nick that seriously, but yes there is a parallel
  15. lockie has changed mode: -t
  16. milkness
  17. i dont drink milk anymore actually..i only ever had it in coffee
  18. milkness
  19. and since i dont drink coffee anymore as it's acidic...
  20. SharPNYG
  21. Why the fuck don't u drink coffee
  22. milkness
  23. i have gastritis, coffee is a no-no
  24. infspire
  25. You make a strong point: Watching Youtube clips is pretty serious bidness.
  26. SharPNYG
  27. ={
  28. infspire
  29. I've had like three coffees in my life.
  30. infspire
  31. It's objectively not good.
  32. SharPNYG
  33. U are nuts
  34. infspire
  35. People just drink it because they need that co-kye-eena.
  36. milkness
  37. clearly, posty lol
  38. infspire
  39. I get hot chocolates when I got out with The Boys to the brewery.
  40. infspire
  41. Soy milk, of course.
  42. SharPNYG
  43. Lol
  44. infspire
  45. No whip.
  46. milkness
  47. soy is awful for you
  48. milkness
  49. but moreso for women
  50. 15:36 infspire
  51. That's propaganda.
  52. infspire
  53. Are you aware of that?
  54. milkness
  55. no way man
  56. infspire
  57. Citation, then.
  58. milkness
  59. nut milk is better for a euro hormone set
  60. milkness
  61. than soy milk
  62. infspire
  63. In what way is soy "awful for you"?
  64. milkness
  65. which has a lot of this faux estrogen or something
  66. infspire
  67. Soybeans contain isoflavones called genistein and daidzein, which are one source of phytoestrogens in the human diet. Because most naturally occurring phytoestrogens act as selective estrogen receptor modulators, or SERMs, which do not necessarily act as direct agonists of estrogen receptors, normal consumption of foods that contain these phytoestrogens should not provide sufficient amounts to elicit a physiologi
  68. infspire
  69. cal response in humans.[172][173]
  70. infspire
  71. It's propaganda.
  72. infspire
  73. It's created by corporations that harvest animals for their meat, and recognize soy is a competitor product.
  74. infspire
  75. There's literally nothing more to these claims.
  76. milkness
  77. it's not propaganda, there are many conflicting scientific studies
  78. milkness
  79. those soy isoflavones can bind to estrogen in the body
  80. infspire
  81. "should not provide sufficient amounts"
  82. milkness
  83. depending on your ethinic group and how you are taking the soy
  84. milkness
  85. you get various results on the body
  86. infspire
  87. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2587438/
  88. infspire
  89. Citation, then.
  90. infspire
  91. Most soy that is produced is eaten by animals that are eaten by humans.
  92. milkness
  93. https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/statement-susan-mayne-phd-proposal-revoke-health-claim-soy-protein-reduces-risk-heart-disease only one tiny citation, there are plenty of others like i said..there is no blanket statement when it comes to soy
  94. infspire
  95. You stated that "soy is awful for you".
  96. infspire
  97. "there are many conflicting scientific studies"
  98. milkness
  99. well i was being lazy
  100. infspire
  101. And in your "laziness" you repeated propaganda.
  102. infspire
  103. Very helpful.
  104. infspire
  105. The goal is to connect "womanness" with soy.
  106. infspire
  107. It's a literal marketing/propaganda technique of corporations that do not care about your well-being.
  108. infspire
  109. It's like how beer and cigarettes will make you a cowboy stud.
  110. infspire
  111. C'mon.
  112. infspire
  113. You're better than that.
  114. milkness
  115. well i dont feel i was repeating propaganda, i am aware of positive, netural and negative studies
  116. milkness
  117. but since there are negative study results
  118. milkness
  119. i just dont take soy.
  120. milkness
  121. it's no drama, i use cashew milk if i need it
  122. milkness
  123. you can get offended if you want.
  124. milkness
  125. https://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/61/13/5045.short
  126. infspire
  127. milkness: The eating of animals, in addition to be unethical, is an existential threat to our species through climate change effects.
  128. infspire
  129. Our global civilization is under threat from that dietary practice.
  130. infspire
  131. Corporations don't give a fuck about any of that and want to maximize profits in the next few quarters.
  132. milkness
  133. that's not true, farming creates far less problems re: climate change than long haul flights.
  134. infspire
  135. If we're going to reduce that GHG source, we're going to have to modify diets, including increases in things like soy.
  136. milkness
  137. the amount of fuel a plane burns
  138. milkness
  139. on one long haul trip
  140. infspire
  141. What you said is propaganda put out by those corporations to lessen the chance of that modification, which is a threat to our species.
  142. milkness
  143. is enough for a decent sized local farm around here to operate for 11 years
  144. infspire
  145. You should be offended.
  146. infspire
  147. milkness: Incorrect.
  148. infspire
  149. And a non sequitur.
  150. infspire
  151. Animal farming is a bigger contributor to climate change *than all transportation technologies combined*.
  152. milkness
  153. also we are a part of nature and we evolved as predators, hunters and gatherers
  154. infspire
  155. Irrelevant.
  156. infspire
  157. We don't live in that world.
  158. infspire
  159. We live in modernity in 2019 with 7.6 billion people.
  160. infspire
  161. If we continue some of the sacred practices of our history, we'll die.
  162. milkness
  163. if humans werent intensively farming and chopping down carbon sinks like forests
  164. infspire
  165. This is extremely consistent with evolution.
  166. milkness
  167. you'd have no legs to stand on
  168. infspire
  169. Humans, through technology, changed the landscape they're in more than their genetics have changed.
  170. 15:47 milkness
  171. a farm around here barely contributes to global climate change
  172. infspire
  173. Evolution teaches that this mismatch represents a threat to our continued existence.
  174. milkness
  175. you instantly retorted with incorrect
  176. infspire
  177. False.
  178. milkness
  179. you didnt ask about what sort of farms i meant
  180. infspire
  181. I never mentioned "a farm".
  182. milkness
  183. i did
  184. infspire
  185. That's a strawman fallacy.
  186. milkness
  187. you responded to me
  188. milkness
  189. farms are how meat is raised, dear...
  190. milkness
  191. you're all dont eat meat
  192. milkness
  193. it's mean
  194. infspire
  195. I haven't stated that in this conversation.
  196. infspire
  197. Strawman fallacy.
  198. milkness
  199. i am more than happy to eat meat if the animal is raised and butchered ethically
  200. infspire
  201. "have to modify diets"
  202. infspire
  203. milkness: That's an entirely different topic.
  204. infspire
  205. You're discussing the personal ethics.
  206. milkness
  207. [11:46:05] <infspire> Animal farming is a bigger contributor to climate change *than all transportation technologies combined*.
  208. infspire
  209. I'm discussing climate change mediated effects of dietary practices in global civilization.
  210. milkness
  211. [11:47:52] <infspire> I never mentioned "a farm".
  212. infspire
  213. Correct.
  214. infspire
  215. You may request a citation.
  216. infspire
  217. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livestock%27s_Long_Shadow
  218. infspire
  219. If you wish to discuss only a farm, then that's fine.
  220. milkness
  221. i was comparing one long haul flight
  222. infspire
  223. You should relinquish any claim you have to guiding global civilization.
  224. milkness
  225. to one farm operating for a decade
  226. milkness
  227. a farm around here
  228. infspire
  229. I don't have information on that.
  230. milkness
  231. they average, oh, 500 cows?
  232. infspire
  233. But it's not relevant.
  234. milkness
  235. you didnt ask
  236. infspire
  237. I'm discussing climate change mediated effects of dietary practices in global civilization.
  238. milkness
  239. you seem pretty couped up in your own idea of what is right
  240. milkness
  241. this will be an endless discussion and im not really interested in continuing in that vein
  242. infspire
  243. I am a precise philosopher, and you are not.
  244. infspire
  245. That is the source of our mismatch.
  246. milkness
  247. i dont think your precise point making is doing more than promoting your beliefs
  248. infspire
  249. False.
  250. infspire
  251. My citations are from the scientific community and are designed to accurately assess reality.
  252. infspire
  253. This is the most fundamental, most pro-social activity a person can do.
  254. infspire
  255. milkness: Soy is not awful.
  256. infspire
  257. That is a pernicious lie.
  258. milkness
  259. soy is the devil
  260. milkness
  261. soy killed jimmy hoffa, inf.
  262. infspire
  263. There's some disputed evidence that for some groups of people there might be "an effect" of the estrogenic properties in soy.
  264. milkness
  265. anyway the long haul flight thing is interesting
  266. milkness
  267. "On an individual level, there is no other human activity that emits as much over such a short period of time as aviation, because it is so energy-intensive," Gössling explains.
  268. milkness
  269. a single person taking one roundtrip flight from Germany to the Caribbean produces the same amount of damaging emissions as 80 average residents of Tanzania do in an entire year: around four metric tons of CO2.
  270. infspire
  271. Although considerable research has examined the potential for soy consumption to lower the risk of breast cancer in women, there is insufficient population evidence to make a conclusion about this relationship, as of 2016.[159] A 2011 meta-analysis stated: "Our study suggests soy isoflavones intake is associated with a significant reduced risk of breast cancer incidence in Asian populations, but not in Western po
  272. infspire
  273. pulations."[179]
  274. infspire
  275. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soybean#Breast_cancer
  276. infspire
  277. "to lower the risk"
  278. milkness
  279. "The sector makes a contribution to global warming that is at least twice the effect of CO2 alone," Gössling told DW, settling on an overall contribution of 5 percent "at minimum."
  280. milkness
  281. so i hope you dont fly to thailand often, inf
  282. milkness
  283. in your quest for underage sex.
  284. infspire
  285. milkness: Yes, air travel is a large portion of an individual's carbon load.
  286. milkness
  287. as you're undoing all the good being a vegetarian does.
  288. infspire
  289. milkness: That is a tu quoque fallacy.
  290. infspire
  291. Tu quoque (/tjuːˈkwoʊkwi, tuːˈkwoʊkweɪ/;[1] Latin for "you also"), or the appeal to hypocrisy, is a fallacy that intends to discredit the opponent's argument by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with its conclusion(s). The Oxford English Dictionary cites John Cooke's 1614 stage play, The Cittie Gallant, as the earliest use of the term in the English language.[1]
  292. 15:57 infspire
  293. What a person does in their personal life has no effect on the truth-value of generic claims they're making about the world.
  294. milkness
  295. https://www.dw.com/en/to-fly-or-not-to-fly-the-environmental-cost-of-air-travel/a-42090155 that entire article is interesting
  296. infspire
  297. milkness: I have decided to hold you accountable for some of your fallacies today.
  298. infspire
  299. It's somewhat unfortunate, as I have had other pleasant conversations with you.
  300. infspire
  301. milkness: I destroyed you for 72 hours for your repeated fallacies.
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