[03:07] <+Neumannz> We can start
10[03:07] <Pea14733> First Agenda then
[03:07] <+Neumannz> Someone logging?
10[03:07] <Pea14733> Regarding gif animations: Currently there is no example page on how they should be optimally dealt with
10[03:07] <Pea14733> Me
10[03:08] <Pea14733> Do they clutter the page, remove the focus from the text if there are too many of them, especially on ability pages where the descriptions are often very short? Should the numerous ability animations that change from game to game be moved to the gallery space or kept at one location of the page instead (probably tabbed)?
10[03:08] <Pea14733> What should be their optimal or at least maximum height and width? This is important considering the game they are created from (handheld or console, 4:3, 16:9 or other) and how the page is watched (desktop resolution, mobile resolution etc.). As the wiki image renderer (which automatically resizes an image to the desired dimensions) is limited for gif animations regarding file size and frame number, should the animations uploaded and/or updated in these dimensions?
[03:09] <+Neumannz> That's a lot of issues
[03:10] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Aaaaannnnd....I'm lost
10[03:10] <Pea14733> As expected from Shard
[03:10] <+Neumannz> Let's start from the top
[03:10] <auror> alright
10[03:10] <Pea14733> I think we can make "Appearance" section on the bottom or something and then we tab it for games
10[03:10] <Pea14733> IF it's too cluttered, that is
[03:10] <auror> Pea14733: Don't we already do this for gallery?
10[03:11] <Pea14733> Can we tab the gallery?
[03:11] <+Neumannz> Hmm
10[03:11] <Pea14733> Because seeing FFWiki's magic articles' gallery is like REALLY cluttered even in their gallery
[03:12] <+Neumannz> Here are a couple options
[03:13] <+Neumannz> One, move all gifs into a gallery, except for one
[03:13] <+Neumannz> With the one at the top
[03:14] <+Neumannz> Or
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10[03:14] <Pea14733> Lol
[03:14] <+Neumannz> All of them at the top, but tabbed
[03:14] <auror> FM|Phone: I'll pm you current topic
[03:14] <KeybladeSpyMaste> FM, you're here!
10[03:14] <Pea14733> Hmm ....
10[03:15] <Pea14733> I think all of them tabbed at the top
[03:15] <FM|Phone> So, we're still on gifs?
10[03:15] <Pea14733> Yes
[03:15] <+Neumannz> Like how we have tabbed infoboxes
[03:16] <+Neumannz> Only without the actual infobox
[03:16] <auror> I like that
[03:16] <Sora1995> well, it seems like the LP's went to hell
[03:16] <Sora1995> maybe we should start them back up again..
10[03:16] <Pea14733> Add it to the agenda
[03:17] <Uxie|LR> I tried to do an LP for KHFM, but it didn't work out
[03:17] <FM|Phone> In that case, I'll take a few minutes to do some things and then I'll return on my Laptop
[03:17] <+Neumannz> What was the probably
[03:17] <FM|Phone> Phone irc is bad :/
[03:17] <+Neumannz> It's not so bad
[03:17] <FM|Phone> So brb
[03:18] <FM|Phone> It is with auto correct
[03:18] <+Neumannz> It just means I can't really look at the website
10[03:18] <Pea14733> Tirn it off ._.
10[03:18] <Pea14733> *TUrn
10[03:18] <Pea14733> Well what do you guys think about the GIFs
10[03:18] <Pea14733> KSM, Uxie, Sora?
[03:18] <Sora1995> eh?
[03:18] <Sora1995> oh
[03:19] <Sora1995> i don't got on the wiki TOO much
[03:19] <FM|Phone> That's long-winded when I can alternatively just use the laptop
[03:19] <Sora1995> so i can't give input
[03:19] <FM|Phone> But nvr mind
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[03:19] <KeybladeSpyMaste> hmmm...I don't really know.
[03:19] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Isn't there usually just one gif per page?
10[03:19] <Pea14733> No
[03:19] <+Neumannz> For many one-shots
[03:20] <+Neumannz> But a lot have many gifs
[03:20] <+Neumannz> Like magic
10[03:20] <Pea14733> http://www.khwiki.com/Blizzard
[03:20] <+Neumannz> And recurring abilities
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[03:21] <KeybladeSpyMaste> ok, I see the problem
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[03:21] <+Neumannz> So either a gallery or tabs would do the trick
[03:21] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah, I guess the tabbed idea works
[03:22] <KeybladeSpyMaste> A gallery will still distract you: from the other gifs
[03:22] <+Neumannz> ?
10[03:23] <Pea14733> So, the tab idea?
[03:23] <auror> yeah, the tab idea works
[03:23] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I'm looking at the blizzard article. As I watch one gif (right now, I'm looking at the one under the 358 section), I'm distracted by another one (the BBS one.
10[03:24] <Pea14733> Then let's go to the size of GIFs
[03:24] <+Neumannz> ok
[03:25] <KeybladeSpyMaste> is this how big they should be uploaded, or how big they should appear on the actual page?
[03:26] <auror> oh, I see what you mean Keyblade0
[03:26] <auror> however I think that gif is just inconsistently bigger than the rest on Blizzard
[03:26] <+Neumannz> Are we talking about pixels or file size
10[03:27] <Pea14733> BTW
10[03:27] <Pea14733> Kryten's comment
10[03:27] <Pea14733>  I can't make the meeting, but I feel that the animations should be no larger than 300px wide, and otherwise natural height; we can probably do with one lead animation and the rest in the gallery, unless there is too much image-less space on the article (arbitrary)
[03:28] <+Neumannz> Yeah
10[03:28] <Pea14733> How big is 300px?
[03:28] <+Neumannz> About the size of an infobox
[03:28] <auror> yep
10[03:29] <Pea14733> Oh
10[03:29] <Pea14733> that's kinda big enough
10[03:29] <Pea14733> Although it'll be really small for those widescreen games
[03:29] <+Neumannz> Easily
[03:30] <+Neumannz> Not terribly
[03:31] <+Neumannz> Check out the ones for bbs
10[03:31] <Pea14733> Oh, okay
10[03:31] <Pea14733> We'll go with Kryten's idea then
[03:31] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I think that's pretty big
[03:32] <Sora1995> well
[03:32] <Sora1995> if we're talking about images
[03:32] <KeybladeSpyMaste> As in, I think its fine
[03:32] <Sora1995> should we wait to talk about them until 2.5?
10[03:32] <Pea14733> Why?
[03:32] <Sora1995> or rather should we update them when 2.5 is launched
10[03:33] <Pea14733> We'll update them I think
[03:33] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I think we could wait for 2.5 to update the related images. It's only a couple months, and then we have HD gifs
[03:33] <KeybladeSpyMaste> The rest, however, can/should be updated
10[03:33] <Pea14733> okay
[03:34] <+Neumannz> I wonder what makes some gifs not play at certain sizes
[03:35] <Sora1995> well, should we wait to do LP's until after 2.5 is out?
[03:35] <+Neumannz> Like, I just changed the size of the lead gif for zantetsuken
[03:35] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I think we should wait on the LP's till we finish discussing the rest of the issues
[03:36] <Sora1995> eh, it just popped in my head
[03:36] <Sora1995> switching between things
[03:36] <Sora1995> so if i go out of order, sorry
[03:36] <Sora1995> ping me when we're ready to talk about them
[03:37] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Nah, its fine.
[03:37] <+Neumannz> Someone else take a quick look at zantetsuken please?
[03:38] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Hmmm.
10[03:39] <Pea14733> It sitll moves when i change the size to 500px
[03:40] <+Neumannz> But not 300?
10[03:40] <Pea14733> ._.
10[03:41] <Pea14733> What
10[03:41] <Pea14733> How come it stopped moving
[03:41] <+Neumannz> I was afraid of that
[03:41] <+Neumannz> We'll need to figure out what makes that happen
[03:42] <+Neumannz> And make it a rule for uploading gifs
[03:42] <+Neumannz> We'll probably have to ask shard or erry
10[03:44] <Pea14733> Maybe
10[03:44] <Pea14733> It's because
10[03:44] <Pea14733> We resized the GIF?
10[03:44] <Pea14733> But wait, that GIFs from Blizzad page still moves ...
[03:45] <+Neumannz> Other resized gifs are fine
[03:45] <+Neumannz> Like the second one on zantetsuken
[03:46] <+Neumannz> But there's a huge difference in number of frames and file size
[03:46] <KeybladeSpyMaste> currently searching Google for answers
[03:46] <+Neumannz> So either or both of those could be an issue
10[03:46] <Pea14733> It's fine when the size is 450px ...
[03:47] <+Neumannz> The natural size is 480
10[03:47] <Pea14733> yeah
[03:48] <+Neumannz> There should probably be a size limit
[03:49] <+Neumannz> We'll ask the guys who know to figure out what it should be
10[03:49] <Pea14733> Okay
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[03:50] <+Neumannz> But 300 is a good size
[03:50] <+Neumannz> Yes?
[03:51] <FifteenthMember> How are we doing?
10[03:51] <Pea14733> Yes
[03:51] <KeybladeSpyMaste> FM, We're trying to figure out why certain gifs don't work
[03:52] <FifteenthMember> Err, pea can you give me a log of the roundtable from start to present please?
[03:53] <FifteenthMember> Or anyone else :P
10[03:53] <Pea14733> Wait a moment
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