Collision of the biological with the cognitively trancendent

+OceanCloudride
CoachJimBobCooter: generally, humans say dumb things when they discuss these topics.
+CoachJimBobCooter
Oh ya what did I make up
@notK
Lameikea
inb4 "ur ignored"
+CoachJimBobCooter
I like how this guy says humans like he isn't one
+Proverbs31
pretty much everything you just said
@Janedoe
lol!!!
+CoachJimBobCooter
What is one thing I made up
+OceanCloudride
They're the subject of social science, naturally, but our evolutionary history, rich in social dynamics as it is, encourages the uneducated to spew forth whatever random thought has flitted across their conscious awareness in this particular moment of their downtrodden existence.
+CoachJimBobCooter
Proverb
Ignoring notK!*@*
+Proverbs31
do i really have to type it all out?
i don't want to
+CoachJimBobCooter
Pick 1
+OceanCloudride
CoachJimBobCooter: let us discuss your last point
+CoachJimBobCooter
Should be easy
+OceanCloudride
"I like how this guy says humans like he isn't one"
+CoachJimBobCooter
Yes u weird fuck
+OceanCloudride
Can you identify the implicit structure you're leveraging to make that a coherent sentence?
+CoachJimBobCooter
What's that about
+Proverbs31
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@Janedoe
that was pretty funny to say
+Proverbs31
i can't be bothered
+OceanCloudride
That is there is a single human species, right
And that admittance to this species is determined by genome
That's the implicit structure
+Proverbs31
i'm gonna end up in lani's logs probably
yay
+OceanCloudride
It's a genomic-dominance model of identity
CoachJimBobCooter: let's explore that
So, what are genomes doing?
They are recording information about a fitness landscape that surrounds that genome, right
+Proverbs31
i don't think i've had the honor yet
+OceanCloudride
And that information is used to build new generations better suited, on average, to that landscape
+CoachJimBobCooter
Uh Hu and why do you speak about humans in the 3rd person as if you are some alien looking down on us
+OceanCloudride
CoachJimBobCooter: try to keep up
I am giving you a graduate level answer
+CoachJimBobCooter
No u arent
+OceanCloudride
So, brains were a paradigm shift in terms of organismal construction
Early brains/neural clusters merely represented specialized cells controlling the coordination of other groups of cells, right
+CoachJimBobCooter
You spent 2 years of your adult waking life watching every episode of star trek and now you think you are Mr spock
+OceanCloudride
But, with the cerebral cortex especially, we see an entirely new way to store information outside of genomes
This is the *point* of advanced brains, CoachJimBobCooter
+CoachJimBobCooter
Uh hu
+OceanCloudride
It allows an organism to acquire information in this lifetime and modify their behavior in this lifetime, rather than allowing natural selection to cull less fit genomic sequences from existence
+CoachJimBobCooter
And why do u speak about humans as if u aren't one again?
+OceanCloudride
Recently, humans have created two new storage systems for even faster evolution
Writing, and then computers
But, that's for another talk
+CoachJimBobCooter
Besides that you're a weird fuck
+OceanCloudride
So, do you see what I am doing?
I am offering an alternative schema for organismal sorting
+CoachJimBobCooter
No, neither do u apparently
+OceanCloudride
Instead of genomic sorting, I am recommending we do brain sorting
What does this look like, in practice
Well, we continue to say there is one biological/genomic species, Homo sapiens
But, we assert there is an ecosystem of cognitive species inside that biological species
And it is in this sense that, as you correctly inferred, I am implying an outsideness to humans
I am outside the most common cognitive species in Homo sapiens
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+OceanCloudride
Now, maybe you think there are errors in this construction
Maybe you think it is not predictive
I encourage you, then, to voice those criticisms as a scientist would
+CoachJimBobCooter
OK so anyways proverbs.. lower your expectations.. get off your high horse, and you may meet someone who actually wants to be around you
+pela
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+OceanCloudride
With evidence, argumentation and acumen
+Proverbs31
i'm not on any high horse, thanks
+OceanCloudride
Unfortunately, you are cognitively unable to do this
That is why you belong to a different cognitive species to me
+Proverbs31
thanks for basically telling me that i'm a piece of crap though :)
+OceanCloudride
And I assert an outsideness to you and your ilk
CoachJimBobCooter: I am saving this conversation
My title will be something like "Collision of the merely biological with the cognitively transcendent"