PvS chatlog

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DestroyedSorrow: yo choco
DestroyedSorrow: seems like
DestroyedSorrow: i carried again
stop suq: once we got turtled I couldn't farm jack shit -_______________________________________-
Abel9210: hmm
hinanaitenshi: well
DestroyedSorrow: choco love me plz
Abel9210: I forgot what it was like to play vs. Graves
hinanaitenshi: lol
Choco Mints: god dammit lee
Quantic Greed: -____-
hinanaitenshi: gotta play careful as ashe
Abel9210: like no one plays him, and I was considering picking him back up
Choco Mints: I CARRIED MYSELF <_<
Quantic Greed: yes graves op
hinanaitenshi: graves is pretty meh really
DestroyedSorrow: nah choco
Quantic Greed: -____-
DestroyedSorrow: my gold says otherwise :^)
Choco Mints: i cant love someone so self-centered
hinanaitenshi: lots of better adcs
DestroyedSorrow: T.T
Choco Mints: that just means you had a lot of everythin
Choco Mints: g
DestroyedSorrow: UR SO MEAN
DestroyedSorrow: LOVE ME PLZ
Abel9210: right
Choco Mints: get away from me
Abel9210: so
Abel9210: more careful
stop suq: yeah i feel like if you're going to pick graves you might as well just pick lucian <_<
hinanaitenshi: as ashe
hinanaitenshi: u just
DestroyedSorrow: u dont have taric anymore
Choco Mints: anyway nid
hinanaitenshi: want to farm for ur items
DestroyedSorrow: SO U SHALL HAVE ME
Choco Mints: you practically wrecked me in lane
Choco Mints: ok well you didnt
hinanaitenshi: once u get ur crits stuff
Choco Mints: but the taric gank put you so far ahead
hinanaitenshi: ur good to go
Choco Mints: playing against ap ez is like playing against ziggs
Choco Mints: you get poked everytime you wanna cs
Abel9210: right
Choco Mints: and he's safe
stop suq: yeah i think i did a decent job of baiting it out and dodging
hinanaitenshi: honestly bot lane
stop suq: a lot of the time
stop suq: i was just
stop suq: so scared
Abel9210: perhaps Ashe was not the best pick for this game
stop suq: of lee ganks
hinanaitenshi: I think u guys tried to do some aggression
Choco Mints: you did a better job post-6
hinanaitenshi: no
hinanaitenshi: ashe is fine
Choco Mints: pre-6 i hit you like 85% of the time lo
hinanaitenshi: u guys just got set too far behind
stop suq: yeah
DestroyedSorrow: INTERIOR CROCODILE ALLIGATOR I Drive Chevrolet movie theater
hinanaitenshi: with u dying lvl 1
stop suq: dat E saved me early on
hinanaitenshi: did u barrier
hinanaitenshi: when brand got the first blood?
Abel9210: no
hinanaitenshi: yea u should've barrier
Choco Mints: idk what else to say, since you know that champion
Choco Mints: or at least
Abel9210: perhaps
Choco Mints: you know how to cs with her lol
stop suq: XD it's cool
Choco Mints: i usually dont have a hard time wrecking people in cs
stop suq: just having the practice
Choco Mints: but you kept up
hinanaitenshi: it's bad enough ur losing time going back at lvl 1
Choco Mints: so it was hard
stop suq: one problem i've always had is
Abel9210: I think I should've backed 10 seconds ago
hinanaitenshi: u don't want to give the other guys 400 gold
stop suq: over extending
hinanaitenshi: if u can prevent it
stop suq: so i've been playing
stop suq: ori and nid
stop suq: so i can just
stop suq: learn to farm from safety
stop suq: lol
Choco Mints: well
Choco Mints: how often do you hit tab to check which champs are visible?
stop suq: i look at my map between every cs
stop suq: or try to
stop suq: unless there's action
hinanaitenshi: good habit
Choco Mints: tbh the only problem i saw
Choco Mints: were some awkward spears
stop suq: yeah
Choco Mints: but you also had really good ones
Choco Mints: that i didnt see coming
stop suq: i'm pretty inconsistent with them
stop suq: i find that my problem is people are
hinanaitenshi: and sometimes u went into cougar in bad times
stop suq: usually extra cautios
stop suq: vs nid
hinanaitenshi: like when I was near u
hinanaitenshi: u pounced near me
stop suq: later on in the game yeah I def did
hinanaitenshi: and I just chunked u
stop suq: ya
stop suq: lots of times actually
Choco Mints: well anyway
Choco Mints: on to the next one lol
Choco Mints: gl
stop suq: ^_^
hinanaitenshi: but yea bot
hinanaitenshi: just
hinanaitenshi: if ur that farm behind
hinanaitenshi: stay back
hinanaitenshi: and just farm at turret
Abel9210: right
hinanaitenshi: there were a couple of times I saw
hinanaitenshi: u guys went up for a CS or w/e
hinanaitenshi: and ate lots of dmg to the face
hinanaitenshi: ur better off just giving some up
hinanaitenshi: and be safe
hinanaitenshi: and don't b scared to use ur spells to get CS
hinanaitenshi: u want farm
hinanaitenshi: harassing me and stuff is secondary to that
Abel9210: well, with the Taric pick
hinanaitenshi: if you can't farm you shouldn't go for the harass
hinanaitenshi: even then
Abel9210: I think he wanted to play aggro and I was trying to work with him
Abel9210: since well
Abel9210: targeted stun and all
hinanaitenshi: but u got set back at lvl 1
hinanaitenshi: at that point
hinanaitenshi: u need to switch ur gears
hinanaitenshi: and play safe until u get ur items
hinanaitenshi: or at least
hinanaitenshi: catch up a bit
hinanaitenshi: had those aatrox ganks worked
hinanaitenshi: that might have helped
hinanaitenshi: but that's not really ur fault
Abel9210: well, if I landed a stun in lane...
Abel9210: except that never happened
hinanaitenshi: yep
hinanaitenshi: sometimes u just have to accept a lost lane
hinanaitenshi: and just let it go
hinanaitenshi: so u can concentrate on farming
hinanaitenshi: and catching up
hinanaitenshi: instead of pushing for aggro
hinanaitenshi: like in this case
hinanaitenshi: there were some CS u should've just let go
hinanaitenshi: but instead u took lots of dmg from brand
hinanaitenshi: so that's no good
Abel9210: so overall
hinanaitenshi: overall u have to adapt to the situation
Abel9210: the lesson is 'if you give up first blood to brand's passive, stop trying to play like doublelift and play a boring farm lane'
hinanaitenshi: in a sense yes
hinanaitenshi: really depends on champion
hinanaitenshi: but in this case as ashe
hinanaitenshi: that's the case
hinanaitenshi: like if ur playing
hinanaitenshi: caitlyn
hinanaitenshi: or draven or w/e
hinanaitenshi: that might b different
hinanaitenshi: but it usually isn't
hinanaitenshi: see if u died at like lvl 3 or something
hinanaitenshi: then it might have been a different case
hinanaitenshi: lvl 1s are the worst
Abel9210: how so
Abel9210: well
Abel9210: for lvl.3
hinanaitenshi: well chances are
hinanaitenshi: u prolly have some cs and gold by then
hinanaitenshi: so even if u die
hinanaitenshi: at least u can buy some items to help
hinanaitenshi: like an extra dorans or w.e
hinanaitenshi: maybe a longsword
hinanaitenshi: at lvl 1 u suually have nothing
hinanaitenshi: but maybe an extra pot
hinanaitenshi: plus
hinanaitenshi: the exp gains
hinanaitenshi: the time it takes to get to lvl 1 to 3
hinanaitenshi: is much shorter than lvls 3-5 or w.e
hinanaitenshi: and it's also the fact that between lvls 1-3 u have less abilities to use
hinanaitenshi: but by lvl 3 or w.e u'll have more lvls in ur skills
hinanaitenshi: so that'll give u better fighting power
Abel9210: well, for what it's worth
Abel9210: I don't put points in E until lvl.4
hinanaitenshi: that's fine
hinanaitenshi: at least ur W
hinanaitenshi: or Q
hinanaitenshi: would b higher
hinanaitenshi: as a result
hinanaitenshi: that's better than
hinanaitenshi: coming back
hinanaitenshi: with no Q
hinanaitenshi: at all
Abel9210: I put 2 points in W by lvl.3, tho
hinanaitenshi: that's fine too
hinanaitenshi: what I'm trying to say is
hinanaitenshi: however u choose to lvl ur skills
hinanaitenshi: at least
hinanaitenshi: there's more power behind it
hinanaitenshi: at later lvls
hinanaitenshi: so if u die
hinanaitenshi: u can farm a bit easier
hinanaitenshi: then say
hinanaitenshi: lvl 1
hinanaitenshi: where u have very little to use
hinanaitenshi: be it last hitting
hinanaitenshi: or clearing a wave with spells
hinanaitenshi: that's the overall point
Abel9210: mmm
hinanaitenshi: having died at lvl 1 ur top priority is to catch up
hinanaitenshi: to do that
hinanaitenshi: farming is the best solution
hinanaitenshi: and it has to be safe farming
hinanaitenshi: so again, it's ok to miss like 4 cs
hinanaitenshi: if u feel like
hinanaitenshi: it's going to cost half ur health
hinanaitenshi: but anyways
hinanaitenshi: that's about it
hinanaitenshi: the rest is just working on basica mechanics and positioning