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  3. <font color="#ffff80"><b>Fixed & Synced by bozxphd.Enjoy The Flick</b></font>
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  7. How's that going?
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  11. The mother's bawling
  12. and the uncle's pissed off.
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  16. - She's not married?
  17. - Divorced with four kids.
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  21. I guess father was helping out.
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  25. Helping out?
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  29. Hey, Mr. Burke,
  30. they're in back talking to the bishop.
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  34. - And father?
  35. - We put him in the break room.
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  39. Any press? Some guy from the<i> Citizen,</i>
  40. but we sent him away.
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  44. None of the big papers.
  45. Let's keep it that way.
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  49. - Who's that?
  50. - Assistant DA.
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  54. It's gonna be hard to keep the papers
  55. away from the arraignment.
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  59. What arraignment?
  60.  
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  63. You can tell father Geoghan
  64. I won't be much longer.
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  68. Now, Sheila, you know
  69.  
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  72. what good work the church does
  73. in the community.
  74.  
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  77. I give you
  78. my personal guarantee
  79.  
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  82. that I'm going to take father
  83. out of the parish
  84.  
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  87. and this will never
  88. happen again.
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  92. - We'll just be another moment, Paul.
  93. - Of course, father.
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  97. Now, Sheila,
  98. I'm going to give you my personal card.
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  102. Losing a good reporter
  103. is always tough.
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  107. But losing one of our best...
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  111. uh, well, to put it as eloquently as I can,
  112. it's a real kick in the ass.
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  116. But Robby here has known Stewart longer
  117. than most of you have been alive,
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  121. so I'll hand it off to him.
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  125. Robby.
  126. Oh, well, thanks, Ben.
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  130. I think.
  131.  
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  134. Although I take issue
  135. with your reference to my seniority,
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  139. I will say that Stewart's departure
  140. is especially painful for me.
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  144. Because for...
  145. what, Stewart?
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  149. Twenty years now?
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  153. Stewart's been more than willing
  154. to part with his money at the poker table.
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  158. And I've got a kid
  159. in college.
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  163. Yeah, but I'm gonna keep playing.
  164. Oh, problem solved.
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  168. Godspeed then.
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  172. Now, Stewart,
  173. I find the timing
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  177. of your departure
  178. disconcerting.
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  182. The corner office
  183. sits empty.
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  187. The new editor
  188. arrives on Monday.
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  192. So I'm sorry, buddy,
  193. but I gotta ask ya,
  194.  
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  197. what the hell
  198. do you know?
  199.  
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  202. How's the cake?
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  206. It's really good.
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  210. Are you saving yours?
  211. Nah, it's for Mike.
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  215. I can never eat at those things.
  216. They kind of depress me. I know.
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  220. Did you see the numbers from Washington?
  221. Yeah. Very interesting.
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  225. I think so too.
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  229. I'm not asking if the PD's lying.
  230. I know they're lying.
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  234. All I'm asking...
  235. who's behind it?
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  239. Uh-huh. Okay, I get it.
  240. You don't want to talk.
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  244. No, Dan.
  245. I'm not mad, I'm hungry.
  246.  
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  249. I've been talking so long I didn't eat lunch.
  250. So I'm going to get something to eat.
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  254. That'll give you an hour to decide whether
  255. you want to be on the right side of this
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  259. or read about it
  260. like everybody else.
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  264. - Bye, Dan.
  265. - You think Cahill has something?
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  269. Maybe. I just don't think
  270. the story's for us.
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  274. Ben likes it.
  275. Yeah, it's not bad.
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  279. It's just not Spotlight.
  280. What's just not Spotlight?
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  284. The PD numbers.
  285. The numbers story. It feels thin.
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  289. Oh. You got Cahill to talk?
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  293. No. But I will.
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  297. Good. Then we'll know
  298. if it's thin.
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  302. How'd it go upstairs?
  303. Okay.
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  307. Robby gave a good speech.
  308. I'm sure he did.
  309.  
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  312. - I heard Lubin and Connor are going to the<i> Times.</i>
  313. - Come on. Really?
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  317. They're leeching us.
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  321. They're sending a guy from Miami
  322. to run things. That should help.
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  326. Has Baron
  327. even spent time in Boston?
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  331. I don't think he's been here before.
  332. We should buy him a map.
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  336. A friend down in Miami
  337. said he cut 15% of the staff. Great.
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  341. Hey, Robby.
  342. New boss coming in to make some cuts?
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  346. I have no idea.
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  350. - Aren't you sitting down with him?
  351. - Yes, I am.
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  355. So is it about Spotlight?
  356. I don't know, Mike.
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  360. But I do know that Ben needs an answer
  361. on the crime numbers story.
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  365. I'm telling you,
  366. I really don't think that story's for us.
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  370. Mr. Baron.
  371. Oh.
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  375. Walter Robinson.
  376. Robby. Yeah.
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  380. Thanks for taking the time out
  381. of your weekend. My pleasure.
  382.  
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  385. Appreciate it.
  386. Pleasure.
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  390. What are you reading?
  391. Uh,<i> Curse Of The Bambino.</i>
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  395. Ah, yeah.
  396. It's a great book.
  397.  
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  400. The<i> Globe</i> has season tickets at Fenway
  401. once you're settled in, by the way.
  402.  
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  405. Thank you. To be honest, I'm...
  406. I'm not much of a baseball fan.
  407.  
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  410. I'm just trying to get
  411. a feel for the city.
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  415. Oh. Yeah.
  416.  
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  419. So you're originally
  420. from Boston?
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  424. I am.
  425. Born and raised, yeah.
  426.  
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  429. A lot of the newsroom
  430. is from here.
  431.  
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  434. It really feels like a...
  435. like a local paper in that way.
  436.  
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  439. And did that change at all
  440. after the paper was sold to the<i> Times?</i>
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  444. No. No, I don't think
  445. that had a big impact.
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  449. Good.
  450.  
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  453. And, uh, you're an editor
  454. for the Spotlight team?
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  458. I'd prefer to think of myself
  459. as player coach, but yes.
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  463. Are you familiar
  464. with Spotlight?
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  468. No, not particularly.
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  472. Well, we are a four-person
  473. investigative team.
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  477. We report
  478. to Ben Bradlee Jr.,
  479.  
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  482. and we keep
  483. our work confidential.
  484.  
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  487. What are you working on now?
  488.  
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  491. We just put out a piece
  492. on a shoddy construction outfit,
  493.  
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  496. and right now we're really just trolling
  497. around for our next story.
  498.  
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  501. How long does that
  502. typically take?
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  506. Hard to say.
  507. Uh, a couple months.
  508.  
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  511. - Couple months?
  512. - Yeah.
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  516. We don't like to rush it.
  517.  
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  520. Once we settle on a project,
  521. we can spend a year or more investigating it.
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  525. Is that a concern?
  526. Not necessarily.
  527.  
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  530. Um, but from what I understand,
  531. readership is down.
  532.  
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  535. Internet is cutting into
  536. the classified business and, uh,
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  540. I think I'm gonna need to
  541. take a hard look at things.
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  545. So, you anticipate
  546. more cuts.
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  550. Uh, I think
  551. it's safe to assume so.
  552.  
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  555. But, uh, what I'm more
  556. focused on right now is finding a way to...
  557.  
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  560. to make this paper
  561. essential to its readers.
  562.  
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  565. I like to think
  566. it already is.
  567.  
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  570. Fair enough. I just think
  571. that we can do better.
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  575. Mr. Bradlee.
  576. Hey.
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  580. Saw the PD numbers.
  581. Looks interesting.
  582.  
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  585. Yeah, there's
  586. something there.
  587.  
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  590. How long do you need?
  591. Uh, another week.
  592.  
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  595. Where are you going?
  596. To the 10:30.
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  600. Since when?
  601.  
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  604. Well, technically,
  605. I am an editor.
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  609. Technically.
  610. Your sit-down with Baron go that well?
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  614. I couldn't get a read on him.
  615. That's a first.
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  619. How about you?
  620. Well, he's a barrel of laughs.
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  624. - Morning, everyone.
  625. - Let's get started.
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  629. Do you want to
  630. say something, Marty?
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  634. Uh, sure.
  635.  
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  638. Uh, hello.
  639.  
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  642. Uh, as most of you
  643. know by now,
  644.  
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  647. my name is Marty Baron.
  648.  
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  651. I'm, uh,
  652. delighted to be here.
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  656. Um, if you could tell me your name as we
  657. go around, that'd be helpful.
  658.  
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  661. Thank you.
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  665. Okay. Peter?
  666.  
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  669. Peter Canellos, Metro.
  670.  
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  673. I've got a major
  674. big dig closure.
  675.  
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  678. Hey, Steve.
  679. Mike.
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  683. Hey. Crappy game
  684. last night, huh?
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  688. Yeah, they can't hit
  689. worth a nickel.
  690.  
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  693. Hey, listen, what's, um...
  694. what's Eileen McNamara doing in the 10:30?
  695.  
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  698. Do you need something, Mike?
  699. No, just curious.
  700.  
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  703. Go be curious somewhere else.
  704. I got work to do.
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  708. Okay, Steve. See ya.
  709. Yeah.
  710.  
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  713. And it looks like Pedro's
  714. gonna be out till September 1.
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  718. Jimmy says he'll be back this year,
  719. but the Doc didn't seem so sure.
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  723. When's the Pats opener?
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  727. Is that, uh, everyone?
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  731. - Yes, that's it.
  732. - Okay. Good. Thank you.
  733.  
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  736. Uh, did everyone read
  737. Eileen McNamara's column this weekend?
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  740. 00:10:14,748 --> 00:10:16,615
  741. That's the Geoghan case?
  742.  
  743. 156
  744. 00:10:16,617 --> 00:10:18,650
  745. Yeah.
  746. What's the folo on that?
  747.  
  748. 157
  749. 00:10:18,652 --> 00:10:23,421
  750. It... it's a column.
  751. What kind of folo were you thinking?
  752.  
  753. 158
  754. 00:10:23,423 --> 00:10:26,424
  755. Uh, well, apparently
  756. this Priest molested kids
  757.  
  758. 159
  759. 00:10:26,426 --> 00:10:28,760
  760. in six different parishes
  761. over the last 30 years,
  762.  
  763. 160
  764. 00:10:28,762 --> 00:10:30,929
  765. and the attorney
  766. for the victims, Mr., uh...
  767.  
  768. 161
  769. 00:10:30,931 --> 00:10:33,465
  770. - Garabedian.
  771. - Thanks, Eileen.
  772.  
  773. 162
  774. 00:10:33,467 --> 00:10:37,402
  775. Mr. Garabedian says Cardinal law found
  776. out about it 15 years ago and did nothing.
  777.  
  778. 163
  779. 00:10:37,404 --> 00:10:40,338
  780. I think that attorney's a bit of a crank.
  781. And the church dismissed the claim.
  782.  
  783. 164
  784. 00:10:40,340 --> 00:10:41,806
  785. He said, she said.
  786.  
  787. 165
  788. 00:10:41,808 --> 00:10:44,175
  789. Whether Mr. Garabedian
  790. is a crank or not,
  791.  
  792. 166
  793. 00:10:44,177 --> 00:10:46,511
  794. he says he has documents
  795. that prove the Cardinal knew.
  796.  
  797. 167
  798. 00:10:46,513 --> 00:10:49,147
  799. As I understand it,
  800. those documents are under seal.
  801.  
  802. 168
  803. 00:10:49,149 --> 00:10:53,084
  804. Okay, but the fact remains,
  805. a Boston Priest abused 80 kids,
  806.  
  807. 169
  808. 00:10:53,086 --> 00:10:55,787
  809. we have a lawyer who says
  810. he can prove law knew about it,
  811.  
  812. 170
  813. 00:10:55,789 --> 00:11:00,158
  814. and we've written all of, uh,
  815. two stories in the last six months.
  816.  
  817. 171
  818. 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,528
  819. This strikes me as an essential story
  820. to a local paper.
  821.  
  822. 172
  823. 00:11:03,530 --> 00:11:07,132
  824. I think at the very least
  825. we have to go through those documents.
  826.  
  827. 173
  828. 00:11:07,134 --> 00:11:10,001
  829. How would you
  830. like to do that?
  831.  
  832. 174
  833. 00:11:10,003 --> 00:11:12,704
  834. Well, uh, I don't know
  835. what the laws are here,
  836.  
  837. 175
  838. 00:11:12,706 --> 00:11:15,106
  839. but in Florida,
  840. we would go to court.
  841.  
  842. 176
  843. 00:11:15,108 --> 00:11:16,908
  844. You want to sue the church?
  845.  
  846. 177
  847. 00:11:18,044 --> 00:11:19,544
  848. Technically,
  849. we wouldn't sue the church.
  850.  
  851. 178
  852. 00:11:19,546 --> 00:11:22,380
  853. We'd file a motion
  854. to lift the seal on those documents.
  855.  
  856. 179
  857. 00:11:22,382 --> 00:11:24,816
  858. The church will read that
  859. as us suing them.
  860.  
  861. 180
  862. 00:11:24,818 --> 00:11:26,851
  863. So will everybody else.
  864.  
  865. 181
  866. 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:29,354
  867. Good to know.
  868.  
  869. 182
  870. 00:11:32,224 --> 00:11:35,026
  871. Gutsy call for the first day.
  872. That's one word for it.
  873.  
  874. 183
  875. 00:11:35,028 --> 00:11:36,895
  876. How do you think
  877. that's gonna play down front?
  878.  
  879. 184
  880. 00:11:36,897 --> 00:11:39,297
  881. I think Gilman's
  882. gonna shit a brick.
  883.  
  884. 185
  885. 00:11:39,299 --> 00:11:40,799
  886. - Hey.
  887. - Door.
  888.  
  889. 186
  890. 00:11:40,801 --> 00:11:42,467
  891. How'd it go?
  892.  
  893. 187
  894. 00:11:42,469 --> 00:11:46,371
  895. Well, Baron wants to sue for the
  896. sealed docs in the Geoghan case.
  897.  
  898. 188
  899. 00:11:46,373 --> 00:11:49,340
  900. He wants to sue the church?
  901. Hey, that's great. Yeah.
  902.  
  903. 189
  904. 00:11:49,342 --> 00:11:52,377
  905. We covered Geoghan
  906. when the story broke three years ago.
  907.  
  908. 190
  909. 00:11:52,379 --> 00:11:54,079
  910. Baron was still in Miami.
  911.  
  912. 191
  913. 00:11:54,081 --> 00:11:57,248
  914. He might have been at the<i> Times</i>
  915. then, actually. He wasn't here.
  916.  
  917. 192
  918. 00:11:57,250 --> 00:12:00,151
  919. So do you think that suit
  920. has a chance?
  921.  
  922. 193
  923. 00:12:00,153 --> 00:12:03,154
  924. - Depends on the judge.
  925. - And what parish he belongs to.
  926.  
  927. 194
  928. 00:12:05,258 --> 00:12:08,560
  929. Bradlee. Yeah.
  930.  
  931. 195
  932. 00:12:08,562 --> 00:12:09,961
  933. Okay.
  934.  
  935. 196
  936. 00:12:11,397 --> 00:12:14,899
  937. - Baron wants to talk to us.
  938. - Us?
  939.  
  940. 197
  941. 00:12:14,901 --> 00:12:17,602
  942. - Okay, Joe.
  943. - Thank you.
  944.  
  945. 198
  946. 00:12:17,604 --> 00:12:20,004
  947. Yes.
  948. Okay, thanks.
  949.  
  950. 199
  951. 00:12:21,407 --> 00:12:24,776
  952. I've set up a meeting for tomorrow
  953. with outside counsel.
  954.  
  955. 200
  956. 00:12:24,778 --> 00:12:26,678
  957. Joe Albano?
  958. Yeah.
  959.  
  960. 201
  961. 00:12:26,680 --> 00:12:28,580
  962. Who's the judge
  963. in this case?
  964.  
  965. 202
  966. 00:12:28,582 --> 00:12:30,749
  967. Um...
  968.  
  969. 203
  970. 00:12:30,751 --> 00:12:32,584
  971. Constance Sweeney.
  972.  
  973. 204
  974. 00:12:32,586 --> 00:12:34,185
  975. - Tough.
  976. - Why's that?
  977.  
  978. 205
  979. 00:12:34,187 --> 00:12:37,489
  980. Good catholic girl.
  981. Huh.
  982.  
  983. 206
  984. 00:12:38,858 --> 00:12:41,693
  985. So, um, judging from
  986. what I've read,
  987.  
  988. 207
  989. 00:12:41,695 --> 00:12:45,764
  990. it doesn't seem like we've done a very
  991. thorough investigation into the Geoghan case.
  992.  
  993. 208
  994. 00:12:45,766 --> 00:12:48,199
  995. - Is that right?
  996. - No, it's not.
  997.  
  998. 209
  999. 00:12:48,201 --> 00:12:50,135
  1000. We looked hard at Geoghan.
  1001.  
  1002. 210
  1003. 00:12:50,137 --> 00:12:53,304
  1004. David Armstrong from Metro,
  1005. Michael Paulson for religion.
  1006.  
  1007. 211
  1008. 00:12:53,306 --> 00:12:56,307
  1009. Okay, but, uh,
  1010. just so I understand,
  1011.  
  1012. 212
  1013. 00:12:56,309 --> 00:12:58,777
  1014. beyond our daily coverage,
  1015. we haven't...
  1016.  
  1017. 213
  1018. 00:12:58,779 --> 00:13:01,813
  1019. we haven't committed any long-term
  1020. investigative resources
  1021.  
  1022. 214
  1023. 00:13:01,815 --> 00:13:04,549
  1024. to the question of whether or not
  1025. Cardinal law knew about this.
  1026.  
  1027. 215
  1028. 00:13:05,818 --> 00:13:07,418
  1029. No, we haven't.
  1030.  
  1031. 216
  1032. 00:13:07,420 --> 00:13:09,654
  1033. And that's the kind of thing
  1034. your team would do?
  1035.  
  1036. 217
  1037. 00:13:09,656 --> 00:13:11,422
  1038. Spotlight? Well, yeah.
  1039.  
  1040. 218
  1041. 00:13:11,424 --> 00:13:15,193
  1042. But we're still prospecting
  1043. the Boston PD story I told you about.
  1044.  
  1045. 219
  1046. 00:13:16,162 --> 00:13:19,063
  1047. - Could you set that aside?
  1048. - We could.
  1049.  
  1050. 220
  1051. 00:13:19,065 --> 00:13:21,766
  1052. Marty, in past Spotlight's
  1053. had success in large part
  1054.  
  1055. 221
  1056. 00:13:21,768 --> 00:13:24,402
  1057. because they pick
  1058. their own projects.
  1059.  
  1060. 222
  1061. 00:13:28,007 --> 00:13:30,575
  1062. Would you consider
  1063. picking this one?
  1064.  
  1065. 223
  1066. 00:13:30,577 --> 00:13:34,646
  1067. I don't know if he's writing about you,
  1068. but I will let him know you called.
  1069.  
  1070. 224
  1071. 00:13:34,648 --> 00:13:37,115
  1072. Okay. Bye.
  1073. Hey.
  1074.  
  1075. 225
  1076. 00:13:37,117 --> 00:13:39,951
  1077. Hey, how'd it go?
  1078. Okay.
  1079.  
  1080. 226
  1081. 00:13:39,953 --> 00:13:43,922
  1082. Uh, Baron wants us
  1083. to scrub the Geoghan case.
  1084.  
  1085. 227
  1086. 00:13:45,524 --> 00:13:47,525
  1087. - That's great.
  1088. - Didn't we cover Geoghan?
  1089.  
  1090. 228
  1091. 00:13:47,527 --> 00:13:49,961
  1092. Yeah, there's a lawyer alleging
  1093. Cardinal law knew about it.
  1094.  
  1095. 229
  1096. 00:13:49,963 --> 00:13:51,629
  1097. Mmm. Mitch Garabedian, right?
  1098. Yeah.
  1099.  
  1100. 230
  1101. 00:13:51,631 --> 00:13:54,199
  1102. I covered him at the courthouse.
  1103. Can you get to him?
  1104.  
  1105. 231
  1106. 00:13:54,201 --> 00:13:56,668
  1107. I only interviewed him once.
  1108. He's kind of a character.
  1109.  
  1110. 232
  1111. 00:13:56,670 --> 00:13:59,304
  1112. - I like characters. I'll take him.
  1113. - Good. You take him.
  1114.  
  1115. 233
  1116. 00:13:59,306 --> 00:14:03,341
  1117. Also, we should be talking to the lawyer
  1118. who repped the victims in the Porter case.
  1119.  
  1120. 234
  1121. 00:14:03,343 --> 00:14:06,878
  1122. - Eric Macleish.
  1123. - That guy was always on TV.
  1124.  
  1125. 235
  1126. 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:08,947
  1127. The Porter case? Remind me.
  1128. Yeah, uh...
  1129.  
  1130. 236
  1131. 00:14:08,949 --> 00:14:12,717
  1132. father Porter, similar story. Molested dozens
  1133. of kids in fall river about 10 years ago.
  1134.  
  1135. 237
  1136. 00:14:12,719 --> 00:14:15,386
  1137. - So we're dropping the Boston PD?
  1138. - I-I vote yes.
  1139.  
  1140. 238
  1141. 00:14:15,388 --> 00:14:17,555
  1142. No. We just gotta
  1143. set it aside for now.
  1144.  
  1145. 239
  1146. 00:14:17,557 --> 00:14:21,893
  1147. I don't need to tell you guys this.
  1148. We need to be more discreet than usual.
  1149.  
  1150. 240
  1151. 00:14:21,895 --> 00:14:24,796
  1152. Everybody's going to be interested in this,
  1153. not just the<i> Herald.</i>
  1154.  
  1155. 241
  1156. 00:14:24,798 --> 00:14:28,833
  1157. We can't let Cardinal law get wind of this
  1158. till we know what we have.
  1159.  
  1160. 242
  1161. 00:14:28,835 --> 00:14:30,435
  1162. Good luck with that.
  1163.  
  1164. 243
  1165. 00:14:35,407 --> 00:14:37,542
  1166. So when do you leave, Nana?
  1167.  
  1168. 244
  1169. 00:14:37,544 --> 00:14:40,678
  1170. The bus is picking us up
  1171. in the church parking lot at 9:00.
  1172.  
  1173. 245
  1174. 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:42,213
  1175. We have
  1176. 40 people going.
  1177.  
  1178. 246
  1179. 00:14:42,215 --> 00:14:45,750
  1180. And is father Dominic going?
  1181. No. He says he's unlucky.
  1182.  
  1183. 247
  1184. 00:14:45,752 --> 00:14:47,652
  1185. But luck has nothing
  1186. to do with it.
  1187.  
  1188. 248
  1189. 00:14:47,654 --> 00:14:50,455
  1190. You know, last time Nana won $160.
  1191. Wow.
  1192.  
  1193. 249
  1194. 00:14:53,158 --> 00:14:55,360
  1195. You gonna tell her?
  1196.  
  1197. 250
  1198. 00:14:55,362 --> 00:14:57,395
  1199. We don't even know
  1200. if there's a story yet.
  1201.  
  1202. 251
  1203. 00:14:57,397 --> 00:15:00,498
  1204. <i>Globe</i> sues church?
  1205. It's gonna be a story.
  1206.  
  1207. 252
  1208. 00:15:19,585 --> 00:15:22,720
  1209. Hey, Lisa. Could you pull
  1210. all the relevant clips on that for me?
  1211.  
  1212. 253
  1213. 00:15:22,722 --> 00:15:24,255
  1214. Yeah.
  1215.  
  1216. 254
  1217. 00:15:24,257 --> 00:15:26,090
  1218. Is this for Spotlight?
  1219.  
  1220. 255
  1221. 00:15:26,092 --> 00:15:28,192
  1222. Just drop them off when they're ready.
  1223. Thanks.
  1224.  
  1225. 256
  1226. 00:15:30,796 --> 00:15:33,264
  1227. Excuse me. Do you know where
  1228. the publisher's office is?
  1229.  
  1230. 257
  1231. 00:15:34,366 --> 00:15:35,800
  1232. Will do.
  1233.  
  1234. 258
  1235. 00:15:38,904 --> 00:15:40,638
  1236. How are you, Marty?
  1237.  
  1238. 259
  1239. 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:42,140
  1240. Settling in?
  1241.  
  1242. 260
  1243. 00:15:42,142 --> 00:15:43,808
  1244. Yeah, I think so.
  1245.  
  1246. 261
  1247. 00:15:43,810 --> 00:15:46,644
  1248. Good. What can I do for you?
  1249.  
  1250. 262
  1251. 00:15:46,646 --> 00:15:48,813
  1252. Um...
  1253.  
  1254. 263
  1255. 00:15:48,815 --> 00:15:52,383
  1256. I'd like to challenge the protective
  1257. order in the Geoghan case.
  1258.  
  1259. 264
  1260. 00:15:52,385 --> 00:15:54,485
  1261. You want to sue
  1262. the catholic church?
  1263.  
  1264. 265
  1265. 00:15:54,487 --> 00:15:56,154
  1266. Um...
  1267.  
  1268. 266
  1269. 00:15:56,156 --> 00:16:00,124
  1270. we're just filing a motion,
  1271. but, uh, yes.
  1272.  
  1273. 267
  1274. 00:16:00,126 --> 00:16:02,393
  1275. You think it's that important?
  1276.  
  1277. 268
  1278. 00:16:02,395 --> 00:16:04,329
  1279. Yes, I do.
  1280.  
  1281. 269
  1282. 00:16:04,331 --> 00:16:08,633
  1283. Because obviously the church
  1284. will fight us very hard on this.
  1285.  
  1286. 270
  1287. 00:16:08,635 --> 00:16:11,402
  1288. Which won't go unnoticed
  1289. by our subscriber base.
  1290.  
  1291. 271
  1292. 00:16:11,404 --> 00:16:13,404
  1293. 53% of them are Catholic.
  1294.  
  1295. 272
  1296. 00:16:13,406 --> 00:16:14,806
  1297. Mm-hmm.
  1298.  
  1299. 273
  1300. 00:16:15,908 --> 00:16:17,842
  1301. I think they'll be interested.
  1302.  
  1303. 274
  1304. 00:16:21,013 --> 00:16:22,547
  1305. Okay.
  1306.  
  1307. 275
  1308. 00:16:27,754 --> 00:16:31,189
  1309. Marty, lake street will probably contact you
  1310. about a face-to-face with the Cardinal.
  1311.  
  1312. 276
  1313. 00:16:31,191 --> 00:16:33,358
  1314. - It's customary.
  1315. - Yeah.
  1316.  
  1317. 277
  1318. 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,394
  1319. They already have.
  1320. It's set up for next week.
  1321.  
  1322. 278
  1323. 00:16:37,529 --> 00:16:40,164
  1324. I wouldn't mention this.
  1325.  
  1326. 279
  1327. 00:16:50,109 --> 00:16:51,776
  1328. Hello?
  1329.  
  1330. 280
  1331. 00:16:54,646 --> 00:16:56,180
  1332. Hello?
  1333.  
  1334. 281
  1335. 00:16:56,182 --> 00:16:59,217
  1336. Can I help you? Oh, hi. I'm Mike Rezendes
  1337. from the<i> Boston Globe.</i>
  1338.  
  1339. 282
  1340. 00:16:59,219 --> 00:17:00,685
  1341. I'm here to see
  1342. Mitchell Garabedian.
  1343.  
  1344. 283
  1345. 00:17:00,687 --> 00:17:03,554
  1346. He's on a call.
  1347. Please have a seat.
  1348.  
  1349. 284
  1350. 00:17:03,556 --> 00:17:05,189
  1351. Okay.
  1352.  
  1353. 285
  1354. 00:17:06,658 --> 00:17:08,860
  1355. All right,
  1356. I'm listening. Go ahead.
  1357.  
  1358. 286
  1359. 00:17:11,363 --> 00:17:12,830
  1360. Okay.
  1361.  
  1362. 287
  1363. 00:17:12,832 --> 00:17:15,066
  1364. Bill! Where the hell
  1365. are those papers?
  1366.  
  1367. 288
  1368. 00:17:15,068 --> 00:17:17,201
  1369. I asked you
  1370. to put 'em on my desk!
  1371.  
  1372. 289
  1373. 00:17:32,351 --> 00:17:36,387
  1374. The famous Walter Robinson
  1375. in my conference room.
  1376.  
  1377. 290
  1378. 00:17:36,389 --> 00:17:38,923
  1379. Good to see you again, Eric.
  1380. Sacha Pfeiffer, Eric Macleish.
  1381.  
  1382. 291
  1383. 00:17:38,925 --> 00:17:42,226
  1384. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you.
  1385. You don't play golf, do you?
  1386.  
  1387. 292
  1388. 00:17:42,228 --> 00:17:44,095
  1389. - Uh, no.
  1390. - Good.
  1391.  
  1392. 293
  1393. 00:17:44,097 --> 00:17:46,998
  1394. Your colleague here took some money
  1395. off me at a charity event last year.
  1396.  
  1397. 294
  1398. 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,234
  1399. It was a very lucky putt.
  1400. I actually had my eyes closed, by the way.
  1401.  
  1402. 295
  1403. 00:17:50,236 --> 00:17:51,903
  1404. Mm-hmm.
  1405.  
  1406. 296
  1407. 00:17:51,905 --> 00:17:54,105
  1408. So how can I
  1409. help you guys?
  1410.  
  1411. 297
  1412. 00:17:54,107 --> 00:17:57,241
  1413. Uh, you're familiar
  1414. with the Geoghan case?
  1415.  
  1416. 298
  1417. 00:17:57,243 --> 00:17:59,343
  1418. Sure.
  1419. Eighty Plaintiffs.
  1420.  
  1421. 299
  1422. 00:17:59,345 --> 00:18:01,412
  1423. All of them
  1424. individual cases.
  1425.  
  1426. 300
  1427. 00:18:01,414 --> 00:18:03,281
  1428. Garabedian
  1429. must be swimming.
  1430.  
  1431. 301
  1432. 00:18:03,283 --> 00:18:07,118
  1433. Yeah. And the allegations
  1434. against Cardinal law?
  1435.  
  1436. 302
  1437. 00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:10,188
  1438. Yeah, it's tricky. Um...
  1439.  
  1440. 303
  1441. 00:18:10,190 --> 00:18:13,458
  1442. this is what you need to understand.
  1443. These are shitty cases.
  1444.  
  1445. 304
  1446. 00:18:13,460 --> 00:18:16,694
  1447. Um, the statute of limitations
  1448. is only three years,
  1449.  
  1450. 305
  1451. 00:18:16,696 --> 00:18:19,730
  1452. and most of these victims don't come
  1453. forward till long after that.
  1454.  
  1455. 306
  1456. 00:18:19,732 --> 00:18:23,134
  1457. - Oh. Why is that?
  1458. - Well, they're kids, you know.
  1459.  
  1460. 307
  1461. 00:18:23,136 --> 00:18:24,869
  1462. Uh, guilt, shame.
  1463.  
  1464. 308
  1465. 00:18:24,871 --> 00:18:26,804
  1466. And most of these kids
  1467. come from tough neighborhoods.
  1468.  
  1469. 309
  1470. 00:18:26,806 --> 00:18:28,973
  1471. Nobody wants to admit
  1472. this kind of thing.
  1473.  
  1474. 310
  1475. 00:18:28,975 --> 00:18:32,310
  1476. So you're screwed
  1477. on the time limit.
  1478.  
  1479. 311
  1480. 00:18:32,312 --> 00:18:35,947
  1481. And, uh, even if you argue
  1482. your way around that,
  1483.  
  1484. 312
  1485. 00:18:35,949 --> 00:18:39,383
  1486. the charitable immunity statute
  1487. caps damages at 20 grand.
  1488.  
  1489. 313
  1490. 00:18:40,385 --> 00:18:42,854
  1491. Twenty grand
  1492. for molesting a child?
  1493.  
  1494. 314
  1495. 00:18:43,889 --> 00:18:46,824
  1496. That is the way
  1497. the system is set up, yes.
  1498.  
  1499. 315
  1500. 00:18:46,826 --> 00:18:49,494
  1501. The church is tough.
  1502.  
  1503. 316
  1504. 00:18:49,496 --> 00:18:52,997
  1505. So your best shot
  1506. is to try these cases in the press,
  1507.  
  1508. 317
  1509. 00:18:52,999 --> 00:18:55,066
  1510. uh, like I did
  1511. on Porter.
  1512.  
  1513. 318
  1514. 00:18:55,068 --> 00:18:57,335
  1515. Mmm.
  1516. But most of the victims,
  1517.  
  1518. 319
  1519. 00:18:57,337 --> 00:18:59,403
  1520. they don't want to have
  1521. anything to do with TV.
  1522.  
  1523. 320
  1524. 00:18:59,405 --> 00:19:04,342
  1525. And, uh, Mitch isn't exactly
  1526. a people person.
  1527.  
  1528. 321
  1529. 00:19:04,344 --> 00:19:08,312
  1530. Yeah. And if Garabedian can't get
  1531. his victims to go before the press,
  1532.  
  1533. 322
  1534. 00:19:08,314 --> 00:19:10,081
  1535. then he's really...
  1536. that's right.
  1537.  
  1538. 323
  1539. 00:19:10,083 --> 00:19:12,850
  1540. He has a long road
  1541. ahead of him.
  1542.  
  1543. 324
  1544. 00:19:12,852 --> 00:19:16,687
  1545. My guess is he doesn't
  1546. have anything on law.
  1547.  
  1548. 325
  1549. 00:19:17,623 --> 00:19:19,524
  1550. What? You think
  1551. he's bluffing or...
  1552.  
  1553. 326
  1554. 00:19:19,526 --> 00:19:23,528
  1555. I think he's grandstanding
  1556. to cut a better deal.
  1557.  
  1558. 327
  1559. 00:19:24,363 --> 00:19:27,031
  1560. Seems a bit reckless.
  1561.  
  1562. 328
  1563. 00:19:27,033 --> 00:19:29,700
  1564. Have you met
  1565. Mitch Garabedian?
  1566.  
  1567. 329
  1568. 00:19:29,702 --> 00:19:32,036
  1569. I asked you to write up
  1570. that motion, Bill.
  1571.  
  1572. 330
  1573. 00:19:32,038 --> 00:19:34,005
  1574. I didn't ask you
  1575. to file it!
  1576.  
  1577. 331
  1578. 00:19:35,607 --> 00:19:37,275
  1579. Mmm?
  1580.  
  1581. 332
  1582. 00:19:43,882 --> 00:19:45,583
  1583. Hey, Bill.
  1584.  
  1585. 333
  1586. 00:19:56,996 --> 00:19:59,063
  1587. Hi.
  1588.  
  1589. 334
  1590. 00:19:59,065 --> 00:20:01,465
  1591. Who are you? I'm Mike Rezendes
  1592. from the<i> Boston Globe.</i>
  1593.  
  1594. 335
  1595. 00:20:01,467 --> 00:20:03,301
  1596. I had an appointment
  1597. with you about an hour ago.
  1598.  
  1599. 336
  1600. 00:20:03,303 --> 00:20:05,169
  1601. I can't talk to you.
  1602. I'm very busy. Sharon?
  1603.  
  1604. 337
  1605. 00:20:05,171 --> 00:20:07,338
  1606. She went out for coffee.
  1607. She said she'd be right back.
  1608.  
  1609. 338
  1610. 00:20:07,340 --> 00:20:09,840
  1611. I'm following up
  1612. on an article.
  1613.  
  1614. 339
  1615. 00:20:09,842 --> 00:20:12,243
  1616. The one in the<i> Phoenix?</i>
  1617. No. In the<i> Globe.</i>
  1618.  
  1619. 340
  1620. 00:20:12,245 --> 00:20:14,812
  1621. - Did you see the one in the<i> Phoenix?</i>
  1622. - No, I didn't.
  1623.  
  1624. 341
  1625. 00:20:14,814 --> 00:20:17,148
  1626. I thought it was very good.
  1627. I have a copy here somewhere.
  1628.  
  1629. 342
  1630. 00:20:17,150 --> 00:20:19,183
  1631. That's all right.
  1632. I'll track it down.
  1633.  
  1634. 343
  1635. 00:20:19,185 --> 00:20:23,254
  1636. I'm actually following up on a column that
  1637. Eileen McNamara wrote about your suit.
  1638.  
  1639. 344
  1640. 00:20:23,256 --> 00:20:25,022
  1641. <i>Suits.</i>
  1642. There are 84 of them.
  1643.  
  1644. 345
  1645. 00:20:25,024 --> 00:20:27,592
  1646. It's not a class action.
  1647. You should get your facts straight.
  1648.  
  1649. 346
  1650. 00:20:27,594 --> 00:20:29,594
  1651. No, you're right.
  1652. I should.
  1653.  
  1654. 347
  1655. 00:20:29,596 --> 00:20:31,562
  1656. So I'm trying to get some
  1657. background information on...
  1658.  
  1659. 348
  1660. 00:20:31,564 --> 00:20:33,431
  1661. you're not recording this,
  1662. are you?
  1663.  
  1664. 349
  1665. 00:20:33,433 --> 00:20:35,766
  1666. Uh, no.
  1667. I wouldn't do that without asking.
  1668.  
  1669. 350
  1670. 00:20:35,768 --> 00:20:37,768
  1671. I can't show you the church documents,
  1672. if that's what you're after.
  1673.  
  1674. 351
  1675. 00:20:37,770 --> 00:20:41,339
  1676. - They're under seal.
  1677. - Yeah, I know that.
  1678.  
  1679. 352
  1680. 00:20:41,341 --> 00:20:43,274
  1681. Did you know
  1682. they tried to bring me up
  1683.  
  1684. 353
  1685. 00:20:43,276 --> 00:20:45,610
  1686. before the Massachusetts board
  1687. of bar overseers three times?
  1688.  
  1689. 354
  1690. 00:20:45,612 --> 00:20:48,079
  1691. They're watching me very closely.
  1692. The church?
  1693.  
  1694. 355
  1695. 00:20:48,081 --> 00:20:49,914
  1696. Yeah. The church. Yeah.
  1697.  
  1698. 356
  1699. 00:20:49,916 --> 00:20:53,718
  1700. They'd like to get me disbarred.
  1701. In fact... put that away. Put it away.
  1702.  
  1703. 357
  1704. 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,686
  1705. Sure.
  1706. I don't want you recording this
  1707.  
  1708. 358
  1709. 00:20:55,688 --> 00:20:57,355
  1710. in any way,
  1711. shape or form.
  1712.  
  1713. 359
  1714. 00:20:57,357 --> 00:20:59,023
  1715. Not on paper,
  1716. not on tape, nothing.
  1717.  
  1718. 360
  1719. 00:20:59,025 --> 00:21:01,759
  1720. In fact, I probably shouldn't
  1721. even be speaking to you, so...
  1722.  
  1723. 361
  1724. 00:21:01,761 --> 00:21:06,197
  1725. look, Mr. Garabedian,
  1726. I know there's things you cannot tell me.
  1727.  
  1728. 362
  1729. 00:21:06,199 --> 00:21:09,567
  1730. But I also know there's a story here,
  1731. and I think it's an important story.
  1732.  
  1733. 363
  1734. 00:21:09,569 --> 00:21:11,469
  1735. I already talked
  1736. to the<i> Phoenix.</i>
  1737.  
  1738. 364
  1739. 00:21:11,471 --> 00:21:15,239
  1740. Yeah, and there's a reason I didn't see it.
  1741. Nobody reads the<i> Phoenix</i> anymore.
  1742.  
  1743. 365
  1744. 00:21:15,241 --> 00:21:16,974
  1745. They're broke.
  1746. They don't have any power.
  1747.  
  1748. 366
  1749. 00:21:16,976 --> 00:21:19,143
  1750. The<i> Globe</i> does.
  1751.  
  1752. 367
  1753. 00:21:19,145 --> 00:21:21,946
  1754. If we cover this story,
  1755. everybody will hear about it.
  1756.  
  1757. 368
  1758. 00:21:23,649 --> 00:21:26,083
  1759. The church thinks in centuries,
  1760. Mr. Rezendes.
  1761.  
  1762. 369
  1763. 00:21:26,085 --> 00:21:29,153
  1764. Do you think your paper
  1765. has the resources to take that on?
  1766.  
  1767. 370
  1768. 00:21:29,155 --> 00:21:31,289
  1769. Yeah, I do.
  1770.  
  1771. 371
  1772. 00:21:31,291 --> 00:21:34,959
  1773. But if you don't mind
  1774. me asking, do you?
  1775.  
  1776. 372
  1777. 00:21:35,994 --> 00:21:38,095
  1778. I can't talk to you right now,
  1779. Mr. Rezendes.
  1780.  
  1781. 373
  1782. 00:21:38,097 --> 00:21:39,897
  1783. I'm very, very busy.
  1784.  
  1785. 374
  1786. 00:21:42,167 --> 00:21:43,834
  1787. Sharon?
  1788. Thank you.
  1789.  
  1790. 375
  1791. 00:21:43,836 --> 00:21:47,471
  1792. Yep. Can I at least talk to some of
  1793. your clients? The victims?
  1794.  
  1795. 376
  1796. 00:21:47,473 --> 00:21:49,840
  1797. I'd really
  1798. like to do that.
  1799.  
  1800. 377
  1801. 00:21:49,842 --> 00:21:52,476
  1802. Call me tomorrow. I gotta think about it.
  1803. Yep. Thank you. Thanks.
  1804.  
  1805. 378
  1806. 00:22:45,397 --> 00:22:48,532
  1807. I got more clips from the library.
  1808. Leave 'em right there.
  1809.  
  1810. 379
  1811. 00:22:49,501 --> 00:22:51,569
  1812. Are you guys doing a story
  1813. on the church?
  1814.  
  1815. 380
  1816. 00:22:51,571 --> 00:22:54,638
  1817. No, we are not doing
  1818. a story on the church.
  1819.  
  1820. 381
  1821. 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,907
  1822. Matt, you find anything
  1823. on this guy, Phil Saviano?
  1824.  
  1825. 382
  1826. 00:22:56,909 --> 00:22:58,743
  1827. No. Who is he?
  1828.  
  1829. 383
  1830. 00:22:58,745 --> 00:23:00,811
  1831. He's part of
  1832. a victims' organization.
  1833.  
  1834. 384
  1835. 00:23:00,813 --> 00:23:03,814
  1836. Kurkjian did a story on him
  1837. right after the Porter case.
  1838.  
  1839. 385
  1840. 00:23:03,816 --> 00:23:06,550
  1841. There's a victims' organization?
  1842. Yeah.
  1843.  
  1844. 386
  1845. 00:23:06,552 --> 00:23:09,854
  1846. It's called SNAP. It's, uh, Survivors
  1847. Network of those Abused by Priests.
  1848.  
  1849. 387
  1850. 00:23:09,856 --> 00:23:11,956
  1851. - Crummy Acronym.
  1852. - Mmm.
  1853.  
  1854. 388
  1855. 00:23:14,226 --> 00:23:17,094
  1856. You want me to track him down?
  1857. Yeah. Bring him in.
  1858.  
  1859. 389
  1860. 00:23:17,096 --> 00:23:19,730
  1861. How much longer you need
  1862. to get through the clips?
  1863.  
  1864. 390
  1865. 00:23:19,732 --> 00:23:21,766
  1866. I mean, a few days.
  1867. There's a lot.
  1868.  
  1869. 391
  1870. 00:23:21,768 --> 00:23:23,701
  1871. Lisa's still sending up more.
  1872. Okay.
  1873.  
  1874. 392
  1875. 00:23:23,703 --> 00:23:26,604
  1876. Hey, guys. I think
  1877. I got another Priest.
  1878.  
  1879. 393
  1880. 00:23:26,606 --> 00:23:28,706
  1881. Liam Barrett.
  1882.  
  1883. 394
  1884. 00:23:28,708 --> 00:23:30,708
  1885. Molested some kids
  1886. in Philly
  1887.  
  1888. 395
  1889. 00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:32,676
  1890. and was moved
  1891. to Boston.
  1892.  
  1893. 396
  1894. 00:23:32,678 --> 00:23:34,879
  1895. Did the same thing
  1896. and was moved again.
  1897.  
  1898. 397
  1899. 00:23:34,881 --> 00:23:36,914
  1900. Really? That sounds
  1901. like Geoghan.
  1902.  
  1903. 398
  1904. 00:23:36,916 --> 00:23:40,684
  1905. Is that one of our clips?
  1906. Yeah. Byline's Diego Ribadineira, 1997.
  1907.  
  1908. 399
  1909. 00:23:40,686 --> 00:23:43,120
  1910. Must've been back when
  1911. he was working religion.
  1912.  
  1913. 400
  1914. 00:23:43,122 --> 00:23:46,390
  1915. Was there any folo?
  1916. Not much. One short piece.
  1917.  
  1918. 401
  1919. 00:23:46,392 --> 00:23:48,759
  1920. Huh.
  1921. The church settled the case.
  1922.  
  1923. 402
  1924. 00:23:51,530 --> 00:23:53,597
  1925. Don't you know
  1926. Jim Sullivan?
  1927.  
  1928. 403
  1929. 00:23:53,599 --> 00:23:55,800
  1930. Yeah. Why?
  1931.  
  1932. 404
  1933. 00:23:55,802 --> 00:23:58,269
  1934. Looks like the church
  1935. brought him in to help out.
  1936.  
  1937. 405
  1938. 00:24:06,311 --> 00:24:11,115
  1939. Jesus. Has anybody but manny gotten
  1940. the ball out of the infield?
  1941.  
  1942. 406
  1943. 00:24:11,117 --> 00:24:13,551
  1944. Nope.
  1945. Why do you even bother with that thing?
  1946.  
  1947. 407
  1948. 00:24:13,553 --> 00:24:15,619
  1949. It distracts me
  1950. from the game.
  1951.  
  1952. 408
  1953. 00:24:15,621 --> 00:24:17,822
  1954. Know what else
  1955. is good for that?
  1956.  
  1957. 409
  1958. 00:24:17,824 --> 00:24:19,924
  1959. Oh, yeah. Good idea.
  1960. My round.
  1961.  
  1962. 410
  1963. 00:24:19,926 --> 00:24:22,626
  1964. I'll be right back.
  1965. Anybody want any food? No.
  1966.  
  1967. 411
  1968. 00:24:22,628 --> 00:24:25,062
  1969. - I'm all set.
  1970. - Hey, a hot dog.
  1971.  
  1972. 412
  1973. 00:24:26,231 --> 00:24:28,833
  1974. So, you guys making any progress?
  1975. Absolutely.
  1976.  
  1977. 413
  1978. 00:24:28,835 --> 00:24:31,469
  1979. It's a good story.
  1980. Why?
  1981.  
  1982. 414
  1983. 00:24:31,471 --> 00:24:33,938
  1984. 'Cause you're another lapsed catholic
  1985. pissed off at the church?
  1986.  
  1987. 415
  1988. 00:24:33,940 --> 00:24:36,240
  1989. We've got a lot of good stuff.
  1990. Like what?
  1991.  
  1992. 416
  1993. 00:24:37,576 --> 00:24:39,777
  1994. I'm just watching the game.
  1995. <i>Omertà.</i>
  1996.  
  1997. 417
  1998. 00:24:39,779 --> 00:24:42,513
  1999. They got another Priest...
  2000. Liam Barrett.
  2001.  
  2002. 418
  2003. 00:24:42,515 --> 00:24:45,783
  2004. We reported on him.
  2005. I'm just saying, we did.
  2006.  
  2007. 419
  2008. 00:24:45,785 --> 00:24:48,752
  2009. Okay, but this guy was shuffled around
  2010. from parish to parish every few years,
  2011.  
  2012. 420
  2013. 00:24:48,754 --> 00:24:50,421
  2014. just like Geoghan
  2015. and Porter.
  2016.  
  2017. 421
  2018. 00:24:50,423 --> 00:24:52,423
  2019. I think there's
  2020. a pattern.
  2021.  
  2022. 422
  2023. 00:24:52,425 --> 00:24:54,692
  2024. Sounds thin.
  2025. What else you got?
  2026.  
  2027. 423
  2028. 00:24:54,694 --> 00:24:58,829
  2029. Sacha's got another guy from a
  2030. victims' organization... Phil Saviano.
  2031.  
  2032. 424
  2033. 00:24:58,831 --> 00:25:01,832
  2034. From SNAP? Oh, boy.
  2035. We reported on him too.
  2036.  
  2037. 425
  2038. 00:25:01,834 --> 00:25:04,034
  2039. I thought you were
  2040. watching the game, Steve.
  2041.  
  2042. 426
  2043. 00:25:04,036 --> 00:25:06,604
  2044. - That guy's pretty banged up.
  2045. - We did a couple stories on him.
  2046.  
  2047. 427
  2048. 00:25:06,606 --> 00:25:08,272
  2049. Guy would not stop
  2050. writing letters.
  2051.  
  2052. 428
  2053. 00:25:08,274 --> 00:25:11,041
  2054. He wants a Holy war.
  2055. What, so he's not worth talking to?
  2056.  
  2057. 429
  2058. 00:25:11,043 --> 00:25:13,210
  2059. Where are you on Garabedian?
  2060. I'm working on it.
  2061.  
  2062. 430
  2063. 00:25:13,212 --> 00:25:15,779
  2064. Robby says Macleish
  2065. thinks he's bluffing.
  2066.  
  2067. 431
  2068. 00:25:15,781 --> 00:25:17,948
  2069. I think there's
  2070. something there, Ben.
  2071.  
  2072. 432
  2073. 00:25:17,950 --> 00:25:20,117
  2074. Get me something solid,
  2075. or I'm taking you off it.
  2076.  
  2077. 433
  2078. 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,620
  2079. I don't want us
  2080. chasing our tails on this.
  2081.  
  2082. 434
  2083. 00:25:31,696 --> 00:25:33,697
  2084. Stay away
  2085. from that trap!
  2086.  
  2087. 435
  2088. 00:25:33,699 --> 00:25:36,233
  2089. You couldn't reach that trap
  2090. in a million years, partner.
  2091.  
  2092. 436
  2093. 00:25:36,235 --> 00:25:38,302
  2094. I've reached
  2095. that trap before.
  2096.  
  2097. 437
  2098. 00:25:38,304 --> 00:25:40,137
  2099. Yeah.
  2100. Now, Paul, maybe.
  2101.  
  2102. 438
  2103. 00:25:41,072 --> 00:25:43,173
  2104. How we doing?
  2105. We're good.
  2106.  
  2107. 439
  2108. 00:25:43,175 --> 00:25:46,577
  2109. We're two up on the front.
  2110. Good.
  2111.  
  2112. 440
  2113. 00:25:46,579 --> 00:25:48,546
  2114. How's that new editor
  2115. working out?
  2116.  
  2117. 441
  2118. 00:25:48,548 --> 00:25:50,814
  2119. Well, he doesn't
  2120. like baseball.
  2121.  
  2122. 442
  2123. 00:25:50,816 --> 00:25:54,485
  2124. But, uh, he seems
  2125. like a smart guy.
  2126.  
  2127. 443
  2128. 00:25:54,487 --> 00:25:56,353
  2129. Yeah, I read
  2130. an article about him.
  2131.  
  2132. 444
  2133. 00:25:56,355 --> 00:25:59,924
  2134. Said he's the first Jewish editor
  2135. of the<i> Globe.</i>
  2136.  
  2137. 445
  2138. 00:25:59,926 --> 00:26:02,927
  2139. Must have been
  2140. a slow news day.
  2141.  
  2142. 446
  2143. 00:26:02,929 --> 00:26:05,195
  2144. He got a family, this guy?
  2145. No.
  2146.  
  2147. 447
  2148. 00:26:05,197 --> 00:26:07,064
  2149. He is not married.
  2150.  
  2151. 448
  2152. 00:26:07,066 --> 00:26:10,234
  2153. Divorced?
  2154. I don't think so, no.
  2155.  
  2156. 449
  2157. 00:26:10,236 --> 00:26:13,337
  2158. So the new editor at the<i> Globe</i>
  2159. is an unmarried man of the Jewish faith
  2160.  
  2161. 450
  2162. 00:26:13,339 --> 00:26:15,539
  2163. who hates baseball?
  2164.  
  2165. 451
  2166. 00:26:15,541 --> 00:26:17,575
  2167. Yeah.
  2168. Should have given it to Ben.
  2169.  
  2170. 452
  2171. 00:26:17,577 --> 00:26:19,276
  2172. He's a Bradlee,
  2173. for crying out loud.
  2174.  
  2175. 453
  2176. 00:26:19,278 --> 00:26:23,113
  2177. Didn't raise his hand
  2178. fast enough, I guess.
  2179.  
  2180. 454
  2181. 00:26:23,115 --> 00:26:24,515
  2182. Hey, by the way,
  2183.  
  2184. 455
  2185. 00:26:24,517 --> 00:26:26,750
  2186. I've been reading about this Priest,
  2187. father Barrett.
  2188.  
  2189. 456
  2190. 00:26:26,752 --> 00:26:28,452
  2191. Said you were involved
  2192. with that.
  2193.  
  2194. 457
  2195. 00:26:28,454 --> 00:26:31,355
  2196. Barrett, yeah.
  2197. Bad egg.
  2198.  
  2199. 458
  2200. 00:26:31,357 --> 00:26:34,558
  2201. Lake street asked for help.
  2202. I pitched in.
  2203.  
  2204. 459
  2205. 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:38,395
  2206. Victim said Cardinal law knew about Barrett
  2207. when he came from Philly.
  2208.  
  2209. 460
  2210. 00:26:38,397 --> 00:26:39,964
  2211. Is that true?
  2212.  
  2213. 461
  2214. 00:26:39,966 --> 00:26:42,800
  2215. You know I can't talk
  2216. about the case, Robby.
  2217.  
  2218. 462
  2219. 00:26:42,802 --> 00:26:46,070
  2220. Well... off the record?
  2221.  
  2222. 463
  2223. 00:26:46,072 --> 00:26:48,639
  2224. Off the record,
  2225. I can't talk about it.
  2226.  
  2227. 464
  2228. 00:26:48,641 --> 00:26:51,609
  2229. All right.
  2230. This related to the lawsuit?
  2231.  
  2232. 465
  2233. 00:26:51,611 --> 00:26:53,210
  2234. You know about that?
  2235.  
  2236. 466
  2237. 00:26:54,379 --> 00:26:56,246
  2238. Look,
  2239.  
  2240. 467
  2241. 00:26:56,248 --> 00:26:58,716
  2242. I don't know this guy Baron
  2243. or what his agenda is.
  2244.  
  2245. 468
  2246. 00:26:58,718 --> 00:27:00,985
  2247. Frankly, I don't care.
  2248.  
  2249. 469
  2250. 00:27:00,987 --> 00:27:03,554
  2251. I just don't want to see you
  2252. taking a bullet for him.
  2253.  
  2254. 470
  2255. 00:27:03,556 --> 00:27:05,789
  2256. I think you're away.
  2257.  
  2258. 471
  2259. 00:27:10,996 --> 00:27:13,063
  2260. - Put it over here.
  2261. - Let's go. Let's go.
  2262.  
  2263. 472
  2264. 00:27:13,065 --> 00:27:17,001
  2265. <i>So the other day
  2266. I was on the World Wide Web.</i>
  2267.  
  2268. 473
  2269. 00:27:17,003 --> 00:27:19,470
  2270. <i>Anything you want to know,
  2271. it's right there.</i>
  2272.  
  2273. 474
  2274. 00:27:20,672 --> 00:27:22,840
  2275. Now, I have to admit
  2276. that as a Priest,
  2277.  
  2278. 475
  2279. 00:27:22,842 --> 00:27:25,342
  2280. this makes me
  2281. a little nervous.
  2282.  
  2283. 476
  2284. 00:27:25,344 --> 00:27:28,312
  2285. Should I be worried
  2286. about job security?
  2287.  
  2288. 477
  2289. 00:27:28,314 --> 00:27:31,248
  2290. I don't think so.
  2291.  
  2292. 478
  2293. 00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:34,852
  2294. <i>You see,
  2295. knowledge is one thing.</i>
  2296.  
  2297. 479
  2298. 00:27:34,854 --> 00:27:38,522
  2299. <i>But faith...
  2300. faith is another.</i>
  2301.  
  2302. 480
  2303. 00:27:53,705 --> 00:27:55,539
  2304. Hey.
  2305.  
  2306. 481
  2307. 00:27:55,541 --> 00:27:57,241
  2308. Hey.
  2309.  
  2310. 482
  2311. 00:27:58,643 --> 00:28:01,045
  2312. Shouldn't you be
  2313. golfing or something?
  2314.  
  2315. 483
  2316. 00:28:01,047 --> 00:28:02,946
  2317. Golfing's not a verb.
  2318.  
  2319. 484
  2320. 00:28:02,948 --> 00:28:05,015
  2321. And I couldn't get
  2322. a tee time.
  2323.  
  2324. 485
  2325. 00:28:05,017 --> 00:28:07,351
  2326. Is that what they call it?
  2327. Tee time?
  2328.  
  2329. 486
  2330. 00:28:07,353 --> 00:28:09,853
  2331. They also call it
  2332. a leisure activity.
  2333.  
  2334. 487
  2335. 00:28:09,855 --> 00:28:12,356
  2336. You oughta try it, Mike.
  2337. I do. I run.
  2338.  
  2339. 488
  2340. 00:28:12,358 --> 00:28:14,358
  2341. Yeah. You run to work.
  2342.  
  2343. 489
  2344. 00:28:16,829 --> 00:28:19,129
  2345. So why are you
  2346. here today?
  2347.  
  2348. 490
  2349. 00:28:19,131 --> 00:28:21,732
  2350. Going over these clips of Saviano.
  2351. Yep.
  2352.  
  2353. 491
  2354. 00:28:21,734 --> 00:28:25,469
  2355. Ben and Steve think it's a dead end.
  2356. They gave me a bunch of crap about it at the game.
  2357.  
  2358. 492
  2359. 00:28:25,471 --> 00:28:27,304
  2360. Yeah, Ben e-mailed me.
  2361.  
  2362. 493
  2363. 00:28:27,306 --> 00:28:29,840
  2364. He did?
  2365. Yeah.
  2366.  
  2367. 494
  2368. 00:28:29,842 --> 00:28:32,409
  2369. He said
  2370. we should let it go.
  2371.  
  2372. 495
  2373. 00:28:32,411 --> 00:28:34,478
  2374. What do you want to do?
  2375.  
  2376. 496
  2377. 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,680
  2378. I want to bring Saviano in.
  2379.  
  2380. 497
  2381. 00:28:36,682 --> 00:28:39,149
  2382. So, just ignore those guys?
  2383.  
  2384. 498
  2385. 00:28:42,187 --> 00:28:44,855
  2386. I think we oughta start
  2387. ignoring everybody on this one.
  2388.  
  2389. 499
  2390. 00:28:44,857 --> 00:28:47,725
  2391. I'm good with that.
  2392.  
  2393. 500
  2394. 00:28:47,727 --> 00:28:49,393
  2395. Well...
  2396.  
  2397. 501
  2398. 00:28:51,596 --> 00:28:54,898
  2399. do you think Marty has any idea
  2400. what's coming down the pike?
  2401.  
  2402. 502
  2403. 00:28:54,900 --> 00:28:58,001
  2404. Nope.
  2405. I don't think he cares either.
  2406.  
  2407. 503
  2408. 00:28:58,003 --> 00:29:00,070
  2409. That's refreshing.
  2410.  
  2411. 504
  2412. 00:29:00,072 --> 00:29:02,172
  2413. Yeah.
  2414.  
  2415. 505
  2416. 00:29:03,374 --> 00:29:05,175
  2417. Unless he's wrong.
  2418.  
  2419. 506
  2420. 00:29:23,595 --> 00:29:26,864
  2421. <i>I've always been fascinated
  2422. with the newspaper business.</i>
  2423.  
  2424. 507
  2425. 00:29:26,866 --> 00:29:31,468
  2426. I used to sit in on the lectures with the
  2427. neiman fellows when I was at Harvard.
  2428.  
  2429. 508
  2430. 00:29:32,570 --> 00:29:35,739
  2431. I, uh... I read that you
  2432. were an editor once.
  2433.  
  2434. 509
  2435. 00:29:35,741 --> 00:29:38,208
  2436. Ah, yes.
  2437.  
  2438. 510
  2439. 00:29:38,210 --> 00:29:40,744
  2440. Yeah, that was
  2441. a very long time ago.
  2442.  
  2443. 511
  2444. 00:29:40,746 --> 00:29:43,113
  2445. The<i> Mississippi Register.</i>
  2446.  
  2447. 512
  2448. 00:29:43,115 --> 00:29:47,284
  2449. Small diocesan newspaper.
  2450.  
  2451. 513
  2452. 00:29:47,286 --> 00:29:52,756
  2453. But for a 30-year-old pastor,
  2454. it was a big responsibility.
  2455.  
  2456. 514
  2457. 00:29:52,758 --> 00:29:54,458
  2458. Too much at times.
  2459.  
  2460. 515
  2461. 00:29:55,493 --> 00:29:57,027
  2462. How so?
  2463.  
  2464. 516
  2465. 00:29:58,897 --> 00:30:01,298
  2466. I was close
  2467. with the evers brothers.
  2468.  
  2469. 517
  2470. 00:30:01,300 --> 00:30:03,934
  2471. We took a stand
  2472. on civil rights.
  2473.  
  2474. 518
  2475. 00:30:03,936 --> 00:30:07,004
  2476. Our readership
  2477. was not pleased.
  2478.  
  2479. 519
  2480. 00:30:07,006 --> 00:30:09,373
  2481. They saw me
  2482. as a meddling outsider.
  2483.  
  2484. 520
  2485. 00:30:10,775 --> 00:30:12,676
  2486. I can imagine.
  2487.  
  2488. 521
  2489. 00:30:12,678 --> 00:30:17,347
  2490. Tough seat to sit in,
  2491. especially in a small town.
  2492.  
  2493. 522
  2494. 00:30:17,349 --> 00:30:21,418
  2495. I think you'll find that Boston's still
  2496. a small town too, Marty,
  2497.  
  2498. 523
  2499. 00:30:21,420 --> 00:30:22,853
  2500. in many ways.
  2501.  
  2502. 524
  2503. 00:30:22,855 --> 00:30:24,521
  2504. Hmm.
  2505.  
  2506. 525
  2507. 00:30:24,523 --> 00:30:29,193
  2508. But if I can be of any help, Marty,
  2509. don't hesitate to ask.
  2510.  
  2511. 526
  2512. 00:30:29,195 --> 00:30:32,196
  2513. I find
  2514. that the city flourishes
  2515.  
  2516. 527
  2517. 00:30:32,198 --> 00:30:34,565
  2518. when its great institutions
  2519. work together.
  2520.  
  2521. 528
  2522. 00:30:35,967 --> 00:30:37,801
  2523. Thank you.
  2524.  
  2525. 529
  2526. 00:30:37,803 --> 00:30:41,004
  2527. Personally I'm of the opinion that for
  2528. a paper to best perform its function,
  2529.  
  2530. 530
  2531. 00:30:41,006 --> 00:30:44,041
  2532. it really needs
  2533. to stand alone.
  2534.  
  2535. 531
  2536. 00:30:45,777 --> 00:30:47,945
  2537. Ah. Of course.
  2538.  
  2539. 532
  2540. 00:30:48,980 --> 00:30:51,014
  2541. But my offer still stands.
  2542.  
  2543. 533
  2544. 00:30:51,016 --> 00:30:53,717
  2545. Thank you.
  2546.  
  2547. 534
  2548. 00:30:53,719 --> 00:30:55,819
  2549. Come in.
  2550.  
  2551. 535
  2552. 00:30:55,821 --> 00:30:57,554
  2553. Ah.
  2554.  
  2555. 536
  2556. 00:30:59,157 --> 00:31:01,124
  2557. Thank you, Maureen.
  2558.  
  2559. 537
  2560. 00:31:03,061 --> 00:31:04,962
  2561. A little gift, Marty.
  2562.  
  2563. 538
  2564. 00:31:06,231 --> 00:31:10,701
  2565. Think of it as a Cardinal's guide
  2566. to the city of Boston.
  2567.  
  2568. 539
  2569. 00:31:27,151 --> 00:31:29,319
  2570. I'm here to see
  2571. Sacha Pfeiffer.
  2572.  
  2573. 540
  2574. 00:31:29,321 --> 00:31:31,722
  2575. Your name?
  2576. Phil Saviano.
  2577.  
  2578. 541
  2579. 00:31:31,724 --> 00:31:33,557
  2580. Okay, just a minute.
  2581. Mm-hmm.
  2582.  
  2583. 542
  2584. 00:31:34,592 --> 00:31:36,927
  2585. So, am I the first survivor
  2586. you've talked to?
  2587.  
  2588. 543
  2589. 00:31:36,929 --> 00:31:38,562
  2590. Yeah, Phil, you are.
  2591.  
  2592. 544
  2593. 00:31:38,564 --> 00:31:40,764
  2594. Okay, well,
  2595.  
  2596. 545
  2597. 00:31:40,766 --> 00:31:45,102
  2598. first of all let me say thank you
  2599. for having me in today.
  2600.  
  2601. 546
  2602. 00:31:45,104 --> 00:31:49,339
  2603. And I want you to know that you have the
  2604. full cooperation of my organization, SNAP.
  2605.  
  2606. 547
  2607. 00:31:49,341 --> 00:31:51,441
  2608. How many members are in
  2609. your organization, Phil?
  2610.  
  2611. 548
  2612. 00:31:51,443 --> 00:31:53,944
  2613. We had 11
  2614. at our last chapter meeting...
  2615.  
  2616. 549
  2617. 00:31:53,946 --> 00:31:56,446
  2618. uh, no, um, 10.
  2619. Karen just moved.
  2620.  
  2621. 550
  2622. 00:31:56,448 --> 00:31:59,182
  2623. You had a woman in your group?
  2624. Of course.
  2625.  
  2626. 551
  2627. 00:31:59,184 --> 00:32:01,518
  2628. They don't discriminate,
  2629. not when it comes to abuse.
  2630.  
  2631. 552
  2632. 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,587
  2633. And this has nothing to do
  2634. with being gay.
  2635.  
  2636. 553
  2637. 00:32:03,589 --> 00:32:06,189
  2638. What this is is Priests
  2639. using the collar to rape kids.
  2640.  
  2641. 554
  2642. 00:32:06,191 --> 00:32:08,759
  2643. Kids.
  2644. Boys and girls.
  2645.  
  2646. 555
  2647. 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,534
  2648. I was 11,
  2649.  
  2650. 556
  2651. 00:32:17,536 --> 00:32:21,471
  2652. and I was preyed upon by father
  2653. David Holley in Worcester.
  2654.  
  2655. 557
  2656. 00:32:21,473 --> 00:32:24,308
  2657. And I don't mean prayed for.
  2658. I mean preyed upon.
  2659.  
  2660. 558
  2661. 00:32:26,110 --> 00:32:29,079
  2662. - Are any of you catholic?
  2663. - I was raised catholic.
  2664.  
  2665. 559
  2666. 00:32:29,081 --> 00:32:32,649
  2667. Now I go to my wife's
  2668. presbyterian church.
  2669.  
  2670. 560
  2671. 00:32:32,651 --> 00:32:34,251
  2672. I'm lapsed.
  2673.  
  2674. 561
  2675. 00:32:34,253 --> 00:32:36,320
  2676. I go to church
  2677. with my grandmother sometimes.
  2678.  
  2679. 562
  2680. 00:32:36,322 --> 00:32:39,957
  2681. It's safe to say we were all
  2682. raised catholic, but now...
  2683.  
  2684. 563
  2685. 00:32:39,959 --> 00:32:41,825
  2686. not so much.
  2687. Okay.
  2688.  
  2689. 564
  2690. 00:32:41,827 --> 00:32:43,827
  2691. Well, let me tell you,
  2692.  
  2693. 565
  2694. 00:32:43,829 --> 00:32:47,631
  2695. when you're a poor kid from a poor family,
  2696. religion counts for a lot.
  2697.  
  2698. 566
  2699. 00:32:47,633 --> 00:32:51,301
  2700. And when a Priest pays attention
  2701. to you, it's a big deal.
  2702.  
  2703. 567
  2704. 00:32:51,303 --> 00:32:55,105
  2705. He asks you to collect the hymnals or
  2706. take out the trash, you feel special.
  2707.  
  2708. 568
  2709. 00:32:55,107 --> 00:32:57,341
  2710. It's like God
  2711. asking for help.
  2712.  
  2713. 569
  2714. 00:32:57,343 --> 00:33:00,444
  2715. So maybe it's a little weird
  2716. when he tells you a dirty joke.
  2717.  
  2718. 570
  2719. 00:33:00,446 --> 00:33:05,082
  2720. But now you got a secret together,
  2721. so you go along.
  2722.  
  2723. 571
  2724. 00:33:05,084 --> 00:33:08,485
  2725. Then he shows you a porno mag,
  2726. and you go along.
  2727.  
  2728. 572
  2729. 00:33:08,487 --> 00:33:10,921
  2730. And you go along,
  2731. and you go along,
  2732.  
  2733. 573
  2734. 00:33:10,923 --> 00:33:14,424
  2735. until one day he asks you to jerk him off
  2736. or give him a blow job.
  2737.  
  2738. 574
  2739. 00:33:14,426 --> 00:33:17,794
  2740. And so you go along with that too
  2741. because you feel trapped,
  2742.  
  2743. 575
  2744. 00:33:17,796 --> 00:33:20,430
  2745. because he has groomed you.
  2746.  
  2747. 576
  2748. 00:33:20,432 --> 00:33:22,933
  2749. How do you say no
  2750. to God, right?
  2751.  
  2752. 577
  2753. 00:33:22,935 --> 00:33:27,938
  2754. See, it is important to understand
  2755. that this is not just physical abuse.
  2756.  
  2757. 578
  2758. 00:33:27,940 --> 00:33:30,607
  2759. It's spiritual abuse too.
  2760.  
  2761. 579
  2762. 00:33:30,609 --> 00:33:35,612
  2763. And when a Priest does this to you,
  2764. he robs you of your faith.
  2765.  
  2766. 580
  2767. 00:33:35,614 --> 00:33:37,814
  2768. So you reach for the bottle
  2769. or the needle,
  2770.  
  2771. 581
  2772. 00:33:37,816 --> 00:33:40,650
  2773. or if those don't work,
  2774. you jump off a bridge.
  2775.  
  2776. 582
  2777. 00:33:40,652 --> 00:33:42,786
  2778. That's why
  2779. we call ourselves survivors.
  2780.  
  2781. 583
  2782. 00:33:42,788 --> 00:33:45,789
  2783. Have you read Jason Berry's book?
  2784. He wrote about the Gauthe case in Louisiana.
  2785.  
  2786. 584
  2787. 00:33:45,791 --> 00:33:48,025
  2788. That's G... G-A-U-T-H-E.
  2789.  
  2790. 585
  2791. 00:33:48,027 --> 00:33:50,227
  2792. Here. And talk to Richard Sipe.
  2793.  
  2794. 586
  2795. 00:33:50,229 --> 00:33:52,529
  2796. He worked in one of the church's
  2797. treatment centers.
  2798.  
  2799. 587
  2800. 00:33:52,531 --> 00:33:55,599
  2801. He's an ex-Priest.
  2802. Married a nun.
  2803.  
  2804. 588
  2805. 00:33:56,667 --> 00:33:59,803
  2806. Here. This is his testimony
  2807. from the Kos case.
  2808.  
  2809. 589
  2810. 00:33:59,805 --> 00:34:01,371
  2811. Phil, what's a treatment center?
  2812.  
  2813. 590
  2814. 00:34:01,373 --> 00:34:03,573
  2815. It's where they send Priests
  2816. when they get caught.
  2817.  
  2818. 591
  2819. 00:34:03,575 --> 00:34:06,576
  2820. This is all here in the box.
  2821. I sent this to you guys five years ago.
  2822.  
  2823. 592
  2824. 00:34:06,578 --> 00:34:10,247
  2825. Uh, to the<i> Globe?</i>
  2826. Who did you send it to?
  2827.  
  2828. 593
  2829. 00:34:12,083 --> 00:34:14,751
  2830. I don't wanna say who, but they
  2831. said they weren't interested.
  2832.  
  2833. 594
  2834. 00:34:14,753 --> 00:34:18,021
  2835. But we did run a couple stories on you.
  2836. I saw them in the clips.
  2837.  
  2838. 595
  2839. 00:34:18,023 --> 00:34:21,491
  2840. Yeah, but to be completely frank,
  2841. it wasn't enough.
  2842.  
  2843. 596
  2844. 00:34:22,927 --> 00:34:25,595
  2845. You guys gotta understand.
  2846.  
  2847. 597
  2848. 00:34:25,597 --> 00:34:27,164
  2849. This is big.
  2850.  
  2851. 598
  2852. 00:34:27,166 --> 00:34:31,034
  2853. This is not just Boston.
  2854. It's the whole country. It's the whole world.
  2855.  
  2856. 599
  2857. 00:34:31,036 --> 00:34:33,103
  2858. And it goes right up
  2859. to the Vatican.
  2860.  
  2861. 600
  2862. 00:34:33,105 --> 00:34:35,272
  2863. Do you have any proof
  2864. of that, Phil?
  2865.  
  2866. 601
  2867. 00:34:35,274 --> 00:34:37,774
  2868. No. Not yet.
  2869. But there are so many of them.
  2870.  
  2871. 602
  2872. 00:34:37,776 --> 00:34:40,110
  2873. How else could they
  2874. have hidden it for so long?
  2875.  
  2876. 603
  2877. 00:34:40,112 --> 00:34:43,080
  2878. - So many what?
  2879. - Priests!
  2880.  
  2881. 604
  2882. 00:34:43,082 --> 00:34:45,248
  2883. Priests!
  2884.  
  2885. 605
  2886. 00:34:45,250 --> 00:34:47,584
  2887. I know of 13
  2888. right here in Boston.
  2889.  
  2890. 606
  2891. 00:34:47,586 --> 00:34:51,288
  2892. You know 13 Priests in Boston
  2893. who have molested children?
  2894.  
  2895. 607
  2896. 00:34:51,290 --> 00:34:53,857
  2897. Yeah! Why do you keep
  2898. repeating everything I say?
  2899.  
  2900. 608
  2901. 00:34:53,859 --> 00:34:56,226
  2902. I just like to clarify things.
  2903.  
  2904. 609
  2905. 00:34:56,228 --> 00:34:59,896
  2906. Maybe you should have clarified it five years
  2907. ago when I sent you all of this stuff.
  2908.  
  2909. 610
  2910. 00:34:59,898 --> 00:35:02,199
  2911. It's all right here.
  2912.  
  2913. 611
  2914. 00:35:10,875 --> 00:35:12,809
  2915. May I use
  2916. your bathroom?
  2917.  
  2918. 612
  2919. 00:35:12,811 --> 00:35:15,378
  2920. Yeah, sure, Phil.
  2921. Come on.
  2922.  
  2923. 613
  2924. 00:35:22,053 --> 00:35:24,988
  2925. Well,
  2926. what do you think?
  2927.  
  2928. 614
  2929. 00:35:24,990 --> 00:35:27,491
  2930. Well, the guy's got an agenda,
  2931. that's for sure.
  2932.  
  2933. 615
  2934. 00:35:27,493 --> 00:35:29,559
  2935. You think?
  2936. He's obviously been through a lot.
  2937.  
  2938. 616
  2939. 00:35:29,561 --> 00:35:31,428
  2940. But he's smart,
  2941. and if he's right about 13 Priests...
  2942.  
  2943. 617
  2944. 00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:34,831
  2945. yeah, it might be a big "if" with this guy.
  2946. Do a background check on him.
  2947.  
  2948. 618
  2949. 00:35:34,833 --> 00:35:37,400
  2950. And follow up with some
  2951. of the other survivors of his group.
  2952.  
  2953. 619
  2954. 00:35:37,402 --> 00:35:39,803
  2955. I'll track down
  2956. this ex-Priest, Sipe.
  2957.  
  2958. 620
  2959. 00:35:39,805 --> 00:35:41,671
  2960. Okay, but stay on Garabedian.
  2961. That's more important.
  2962.  
  2963. 621
  2964. 00:35:41,673 --> 00:35:44,274
  2965. Ah. Garabedian.
  2966. What a pain in the ass.
  2967.  
  2968. 622
  2969. 00:35:44,276 --> 00:35:47,144
  2970. You can be
  2971. a pain in the ass, Mike.
  2972.  
  2973. 623
  2974. 00:35:47,146 --> 00:35:48,712
  2975. Mmm.
  2976.  
  2977. 624
  2978. 00:35:59,624 --> 00:36:02,159
  2979. Mitchell, what a surprise.
  2980. How are you?
  2981.  
  2982. 625
  2983. 00:36:02,161 --> 00:36:03,860
  2984. I'm fine, Mr. Rezendes.
  2985. Good.
  2986.  
  2987. 626
  2988. 00:36:03,862 --> 00:36:06,429
  2989. I haven't heard back from you.
  2990. I left you a couple of messages.
  2991.  
  2992. 627
  2993. 00:36:06,431 --> 00:36:08,632
  2994. I've been very busy.
  2995. I-I don't have time for calls.
  2996.  
  2997. 628
  2998. 00:36:08,634 --> 00:36:11,001
  2999. I'm sure you don't.
  3000. Listen, listen, Mitch.
  3001.  
  3002. 629
  3003. 00:36:11,003 --> 00:36:14,137
  3004. Let me talk to a couple of the victims.
  3005. You could sit in on the interview.
  3006.  
  3007. 630
  3008. 00:36:14,139 --> 00:36:16,106
  3009. If you're not happy,
  3010. you could kill it.
  3011.  
  3012. 631
  3013. 00:36:16,108 --> 00:36:18,708
  3014. I spoke to my clients. They don't want
  3015. to be in the press. I'm sorry.
  3016.  
  3017. 632
  3018. 00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:21,144
  3019. I get that, but I don't
  3020. need to name names.
  3021.  
  3022. 633
  3023. 00:36:21,146 --> 00:36:23,513
  3024. I don't believe you, Mr. Rezendes.
  3025. I'm sure you don't.
  3026.  
  3027. 634
  3028. 00:36:23,515 --> 00:36:26,016
  3029. Listen, Mitchell.
  3030. Look, Mr. Rezendes, please...
  3031.  
  3032. 635
  3033. 00:36:26,018 --> 00:36:29,186
  3034. I'm not writing a profile here.
  3035. I'm working on something bigger.
  3036.  
  3037. 636
  3038. 00:36:29,188 --> 00:36:31,354
  3039. Bigger? I don't know
  3040. what that means.
  3041.  
  3042. 637
  3043. 00:36:31,356 --> 00:36:34,624
  3044. I'm not supposed to tell you this,
  3045. but I'm digging around for Spotlight.
  3046.  
  3047. 638
  3048. 00:36:36,060 --> 00:36:38,161
  3049. Spotlight's on this?
  3050. Yeah, we're looking into it.
  3051.  
  3052. 639
  3053. 00:36:38,163 --> 00:36:42,465
  3054. But you gotta help me. You gotta let me
  3055. talk to some of these victims. Please.
  3056.  
  3057. 640
  3058. 00:36:45,570 --> 00:36:46,970
  3059. Please.
  3060.  
  3061. 641
  3062. 00:36:50,142 --> 00:36:52,742
  3063. Come back tomorrow, 9:30 am.
  3064.  
  3065. 642
  3066. 00:36:52,744 --> 00:36:54,477
  3067. Thank you.
  3068.  
  3069. 643
  3070. 00:37:06,924 --> 00:37:08,391
  3071. Ms. Pfeiffer?
  3072. Joe?
  3073.  
  3074. 644
  3075. 00:37:08,393 --> 00:37:09,759
  3076. Oh, shoot!
  3077.  
  3078. 645
  3079. 00:37:09,761 --> 00:37:11,761
  3080. That's okay.
  3081. Sorry. Please sit.
  3082.  
  3083. 646
  3084. 00:37:11,763 --> 00:37:13,430
  3085. Thank you.
  3086.  
  3087. 647
  3088. 00:37:13,432 --> 00:37:16,333
  3089. Is this table okay?
  3090. This is perfect.
  3091.  
  3092. 648
  3093. 00:37:16,335 --> 00:37:19,236
  3094. I had a muffin
  3095. while I was waiting.
  3096.  
  3097. 649
  3098. 00:37:19,238 --> 00:37:22,339
  3099. Two, actually.
  3100. I eat when I'm nervous.
  3101.  
  3102. 650
  3103. 00:37:22,341 --> 00:37:24,708
  3104. I do that too,
  3105. actually.
  3106.  
  3107. 651
  3108. 00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:27,844
  3109. I hope I'm not late.
  3110. Phil told me 1:00.
  3111.  
  3112. 652
  3113. 00:37:27,846 --> 00:37:31,114
  3114. No, you're fine.
  3115. I got here early.
  3116.  
  3117. 653
  3118. 00:37:31,116 --> 00:37:33,350
  3119. About an hour.
  3120.  
  3121. 654
  3122. 00:37:34,785 --> 00:37:38,455
  3123. Um, would you mind if I took some notes?
  3124. Would that be all right?
  3125.  
  3126. 655
  3127. 00:37:43,561 --> 00:37:46,296
  3128. You don't mind if I
  3129. take some notes, do you?
  3130.  
  3131. 656
  3132. 00:37:46,298 --> 00:37:49,132
  3133. - Are you gonna use my name?
  3134. - No.
  3135.  
  3136. 657
  3137. 00:37:49,134 --> 00:37:51,868
  3138. Not if you
  3139. don't want me to, no.
  3140.  
  3141. 658
  3142. 00:37:51,870 --> 00:37:53,803
  3143. I just had a kid.
  3144.  
  3145. 659
  3146. 00:37:53,805 --> 00:37:56,873
  3147. He's only one, but I'm not sure
  3148. I want him to know about this.
  3149.  
  3150. 660
  3151. 00:37:56,875 --> 00:37:58,808
  3152. Sure. I get that.
  3153.  
  3154. 661
  3155. 00:37:58,810 --> 00:38:01,978
  3156. You can stop this interview at
  3157. any time, Patrick. All right?
  3158.  
  3159. 662
  3160. 00:38:01,980 --> 00:38:03,713
  3161. Okay.
  3162. All right.
  3163.  
  3164. 663
  3165. 00:38:04,749 --> 00:38:07,484
  3166. Go ahead with your notes.
  3167.  
  3168. 664
  3169. 00:38:07,486 --> 00:38:09,452
  3170. Okay. So, um...
  3171.  
  3172. 665
  3173. 00:38:11,455 --> 00:38:13,556
  3174. where'd you live
  3175. when it first happened?
  3176.  
  3177. 666
  3178. 00:38:14,458 --> 00:38:16,660
  3179. In the projects,
  3180. over in Hyde Park.
  3181.  
  3182. 667
  3183. 00:38:16,662 --> 00:38:18,495
  3184. Over by the Stop & Shop?
  3185.  
  3186. 668
  3187. 00:38:18,497 --> 00:38:21,331
  3188. Yeah. You know it?
  3189.  
  3190. 669
  3191. 00:38:21,333 --> 00:38:23,566
  3192. Yeah, I drove a cab
  3193. for a few years.
  3194.  
  3195. 670
  3196. 00:38:23,568 --> 00:38:26,336
  3197. Open early.
  3198. Bad coffee, right?
  3199.  
  3200. 671
  3201. 00:38:26,338 --> 00:38:28,405
  3202. Yeah. I guess.
  3203.  
  3204. 672
  3205. 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,175
  3206. How old were you
  3207. when it happened?
  3208.  
  3209. 673
  3210. 00:38:32,177 --> 00:38:33,843
  3211. I was 12.
  3212.  
  3213. 674
  3214. 00:38:34,845 --> 00:38:37,013
  3215. Just after my dad
  3216. killed himself.
  3217.  
  3218. 675
  3219. 00:38:37,015 --> 00:38:39,516
  3220. Oh, geez.
  3221.  
  3222. 676
  3223. 00:38:39,518 --> 00:38:41,484
  3224. He was a real
  3225. piece of shit.
  3226.  
  3227. 677
  3228. 00:38:41,486 --> 00:38:43,787
  3229. And my Mom,
  3230. she wasn't so stable either.
  3231.  
  3232. 678
  3233. 00:38:43,789 --> 00:38:46,189
  3234. How do you mean?
  3235. I mean she was nuts.
  3236.  
  3237. 679
  3238. 00:38:46,191 --> 00:38:48,124
  3239. She was
  3240. a schizophrenic.
  3241.  
  3242. 680
  3243. 00:38:48,126 --> 00:38:49,759
  3244. Same shit.
  3245.  
  3246. 681
  3247. 00:38:51,662 --> 00:38:53,530
  3248. When did you
  3249. first meet Geoghan?
  3250.  
  3251. 682
  3252. 00:38:53,532 --> 00:38:59,703
  3253. Well, my sister, she saw him
  3254. over in the Dunkin' Donuts.
  3255.  
  3256. 683
  3257. 00:38:59,705 --> 00:39:02,639
  3258. Tells him about my old man passing,
  3259. and he rushed right over.
  3260.  
  3261. 684
  3262. 00:39:02,641 --> 00:39:06,710
  3263. This nun, sister Barbara, ran this
  3264. group for kids from troubled families.
  3265.  
  3266. 685
  3267. 00:39:06,712 --> 00:39:09,212
  3268. Mm-hmm.
  3269. Where was that?
  3270.  
  3271. 686
  3272. 00:39:09,214 --> 00:39:11,381
  3273. Uh, St. Ambrose
  3274. in Dorchester.
  3275.  
  3276. 687
  3277. 00:39:11,383 --> 00:39:13,183
  3278. Okay.
  3279.  
  3280. 688
  3281. 00:39:13,185 --> 00:39:15,785
  3282. She's the one who introduced me
  3283. to father Shanley.
  3284.  
  3285. 689
  3286. 00:39:17,188 --> 00:39:19,222
  3287. He was a street Priest.
  3288.  
  3289. 690
  3290. 00:39:19,224 --> 00:39:22,158
  3291. Long hair. Very hip.
  3292.  
  3293. 691
  3294. 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,828
  3295. He invited me to his apartment
  3296. in back bay.
  3297.  
  3298. 692
  3299. 00:39:24,830 --> 00:39:27,697
  3300. Where in Back Bay?
  3301. Beacon Street.
  3302.  
  3303. 693
  3304. 00:39:27,699 --> 00:39:30,033
  3305. Beacon. Okay.
  3306. Are you from here?
  3307.  
  3308. 694
  3309. 00:39:30,035 --> 00:39:33,870
  3310. Uh, no. I grew up in Ohio,
  3311. but my Mom's from Southie.
  3312.  
  3313. 695
  3314. 00:39:33,872 --> 00:39:37,807
  3315. All right, so you get it.
  3316. I'd never even seen back bay.
  3317.  
  3318. 696
  3319. 00:39:38,909 --> 00:39:42,679
  3320. So what happened
  3321. on that first visit, Joe?
  3322.  
  3323. 697
  3324. 00:39:42,681 --> 00:39:46,816
  3325. Well, he was very nice at first,
  3326. very funny, very casual.
  3327.  
  3328. 698
  3329. 00:39:47,752 --> 00:39:50,820
  3330. And I think
  3331. he could tell I was gay,
  3332.  
  3333. 699
  3334. 00:39:50,822 --> 00:39:54,257
  3335. so he showed me this mobile he had,
  3336. like over a baby's crib.
  3337.  
  3338. 700
  3339. 00:39:54,259 --> 00:39:57,660
  3340. Mm-hmm.
  3341. But with different words.
  3342.  
  3343. 701
  3344. 00:39:57,662 --> 00:40:00,697
  3345. "Homosexual."
  3346. "Transsexual." "Bisexual."
  3347.  
  3348. 702
  3349. 00:40:00,699 --> 00:40:03,600
  3350. Okay. And did you know
  3351. you were gay at that time, Joe?
  3352.  
  3353. 703
  3354. 00:40:03,602 --> 00:40:05,668
  3355. Yeah.
  3356.  
  3357. 704
  3358. 00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:09,105
  3359. But that wasn't information I was sharing
  3360. with anybody. Not in Dorchester.
  3361.  
  3362. 705
  3363. 00:40:10,207 --> 00:40:11,841
  3364. Okay.
  3365.  
  3366. 706
  3367. 00:40:11,843 --> 00:40:14,844
  3368. So, what happened
  3369. after he showed you the mobile?
  3370.  
  3371. 707
  3372. 00:40:14,846 --> 00:40:17,781
  3373. Well, I was
  3374. a little freaked out.
  3375.  
  3376. 708
  3377. 00:40:17,783 --> 00:40:20,517
  3378. I think he could tell.
  3379.  
  3380. 709
  3381. 00:40:20,519 --> 00:40:24,154
  3382. So he said, you know, what'll help
  3383. is if we play strip poker.
  3384.  
  3385. 710
  3386. 00:40:25,623 --> 00:40:27,590
  3387. Of course I lost.
  3388.  
  3389. 711
  3390. 00:40:28,859 --> 00:40:30,960
  3391. And, uh, things
  3392. went on from there.
  3393.  
  3394. 712
  3395. 00:40:32,062 --> 00:40:34,531
  3396. Can you tell me
  3397. specifically what happened?
  3398.  
  3399. 713
  3400. 00:40:35,966 --> 00:40:38,201
  3401. Specifically, he...
  3402.  
  3403. 714
  3404. 00:40:38,203 --> 00:40:39,936
  3405. he molested me.
  3406.  
  3407. 715
  3408. 00:40:43,140 --> 00:40:47,310
  3409. Joe, I think that the language
  3410. is gonna be so important here.
  3411.  
  3412. 716
  3413. 00:40:47,312 --> 00:40:50,747
  3414. We can't sanitize this.
  3415. Just saying "molest" isn't enough.
  3416.  
  3417. 717
  3418. 00:40:50,749 --> 00:40:53,716
  3419. People need to know
  3420. what actually happened.
  3421.  
  3422. 718
  3423. 00:40:56,821 --> 00:40:59,155
  3424. We should probably get these to go.
  3425. Right.
  3426.  
  3427. 719
  3428. 00:40:59,157 --> 00:41:02,992
  3429. Geoghan shows up, and my Mom,
  3430. you know, she's...
  3431.  
  3432. 720
  3433. 00:41:02,994 --> 00:41:04,661
  3434. she's thrilled.
  3435.  
  3436. 721
  3437. 00:41:04,663 --> 00:41:07,931
  3438. I mean, this was like God
  3439. showing up, you know?
  3440.  
  3441. 722
  3442. 00:41:07,933 --> 00:41:10,800
  3443. Sure. Right.
  3444. So what happened then?
  3445.  
  3446. 723
  3447. 00:41:13,404 --> 00:41:15,338
  3448. You really want
  3449. to hear this shit?
  3450.  
  3451. 724
  3452. 00:41:15,340 --> 00:41:17,907
  3453. Yeah. Yeah, Patrick, I do.
  3454.  
  3455. 725
  3456. 00:41:25,850 --> 00:41:28,518
  3457. He offers to take me
  3458. to get ice cream.
  3459.  
  3460. 726
  3461. 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,754
  3462. You know, he's a Priest,
  3463. I'm a kid, so I go.
  3464.  
  3465. 727
  3466. 00:41:31,756 --> 00:41:33,523
  3467. Sure.
  3468.  
  3469. 728
  3470. 00:41:33,525 --> 00:41:35,892
  3471. So we're driving home and he...
  3472.  
  3473. 729
  3474. 00:41:38,429 --> 00:41:40,830
  3475. he starts patting my leg and...
  3476.  
  3477. 730
  3478. 00:41:42,466 --> 00:41:44,067
  3479. you know, then...
  3480.  
  3481. 731
  3482. 00:41:45,436 --> 00:41:48,805
  3483. His hand just slides
  3484. right up and he...
  3485.  
  3486. 732
  3487. 00:41:48,807 --> 00:41:51,040
  3488. he grabs my dick.
  3489.  
  3490. 733
  3491. 00:41:51,042 --> 00:41:53,543
  3492. You know, I...
  3493. I just froze up.
  3494.  
  3495. 734
  3496. 00:41:53,545 --> 00:41:56,779
  3497. I was fucking petrified.
  3498. I-I couldn't move.
  3499.  
  3500. 735
  3501. 00:41:56,781 --> 00:41:59,782
  3502. I didn't know what to do.
  3503. I was just a little kid.
  3504.  
  3505. 736
  3506. 00:42:01,452 --> 00:42:03,119
  3507. Yeah.
  3508.  
  3509. 737
  3510. 00:42:07,157 --> 00:42:09,726
  3511. You know, I never even
  3512. touched my ice cream.
  3513.  
  3514. 738
  3515. 00:42:09,728 --> 00:42:12,128
  3516. It just melted down my arm.
  3517.  
  3518. 739
  3519. 00:42:18,402 --> 00:42:20,069
  3520. Did you, um...
  3521.  
  3522. 740
  3523. 00:42:21,405 --> 00:42:24,107
  3524. did you see him again
  3525. after that?
  3526.  
  3527. 741
  3528. 00:42:28,979 --> 00:42:30,647
  3529. Yeah.
  3530.  
  3531. 742
  3532. 00:42:33,384 --> 00:42:37,186
  3533. All right. That's good.
  3534. Let's stop there for now.
  3535.  
  3536. 743
  3537. 00:42:37,188 --> 00:42:38,555
  3538. Sure.
  3539.  
  3540. 744
  3541. 00:42:38,557 --> 00:42:41,758
  3542. He said it was a way to make me
  3543. more comfortable with my body.
  3544.  
  3545. 745
  3546. 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,661
  3547. Mmm. So what happened
  3548. after that?
  3549.  
  3550. 746
  3551. 00:42:44,663 --> 00:42:47,430
  3552. Well, he took off
  3553. his clothes and he said,
  3554.  
  3555. 747
  3556. 00:42:47,432 --> 00:42:49,065
  3557. "I've been so depressed,
  3558.  
  3559. 748
  3560. 00:42:49,067 --> 00:42:52,168
  3561. but maybe you can cheer me up
  3562. and give me a blow job."
  3563.  
  3564. 749
  3565. 00:42:52,170 --> 00:42:53,836
  3566. Classy guy.
  3567.  
  3568. 750
  3569. 00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,307
  3570. And did you?
  3571. Yeah.
  3572.  
  3573. 751
  3574. 00:42:58,409 --> 00:43:00,343
  3575. I know you
  3576. must be thinking,
  3577.  
  3578. 752
  3579. 00:43:00,345 --> 00:43:03,780
  3580. why would I ever do that to some creepy
  3581. guy who's 30 years older than me?
  3582.  
  3583. 753
  3584. 00:43:03,782 --> 00:43:07,917
  3585. But what you have to understand is
  3586. that this is the first time in my life
  3587.  
  3588. 754
  3589. 00:43:07,919 --> 00:43:10,520
  3590. that someone told me
  3591. that it was okay to be gay.
  3592.  
  3593. 755
  3594. 00:43:10,522 --> 00:43:13,389
  3595. And it was a Priest.
  3596. Right.
  3597.  
  3598. 756
  3599. 00:43:13,391 --> 00:43:15,525
  3600. So you had oral sex.
  3601.  
  3602. 757
  3603. 00:43:15,527 --> 00:43:18,027
  3604. Did you have
  3605. intercourse?
  3606.  
  3607. 758
  3608. 00:43:18,029 --> 00:43:19,562
  3609. Yes.
  3610.  
  3611. 759
  3612. 00:43:19,564 --> 00:43:21,764
  3613. Not then, but later.
  3614.  
  3615. 760
  3616. 00:43:22,700 --> 00:43:24,968
  3617. It really messed me up.
  3618.  
  3619. 761
  3620. 00:43:26,303 --> 00:43:29,806
  3621. I'm sober now, but that... that was
  3622. the beginning of it all.
  3623.  
  3624. 762
  3625. 00:43:31,909 --> 00:43:34,811
  3626. It's very confusing,
  3627. you know,
  3628.  
  3629. 763
  3630. 00:43:34,813 --> 00:43:37,981
  3631. to be introduced to sex
  3632. like that and then...
  3633.  
  3634. 764
  3635. 00:43:37,983 --> 00:43:40,383
  3636. and then to be
  3637. attracted to men, it's...
  3638.  
  3639. 765
  3640. 00:43:42,753 --> 00:43:45,888
  3641. I'm sorry.
  3642. I knew I was gonna do this.
  3643.  
  3644. 766
  3645. 00:43:45,890 --> 00:43:47,824
  3646. Oh, I'm sorry.
  3647. Don't be sorry.
  3648.  
  3649. 767
  3650. 00:43:47,826 --> 00:43:49,926
  3651. It's okay, Joe.
  3652. It's okay.
  3653.  
  3654. 768
  3655. 00:43:49,928 --> 00:43:52,061
  3656. Of course there is
  3657. a church right there.
  3658.  
  3659. 769
  3660. 00:43:52,063 --> 00:43:54,831
  3661. And a playground.
  3662.  
  3663. 770
  3664. 00:43:54,833 --> 00:43:57,500
  3665. Joe, did you ever
  3666. try and tell anyone?
  3667.  
  3668. 771
  3669. 00:43:57,502 --> 00:44:00,236
  3670. Like who? A Priest?
  3671.  
  3672. 772
  3673. 00:44:00,238 --> 00:44:02,739
  3674. Can I use your phone?
  3675.  
  3676. 773
  3677. 00:44:02,741 --> 00:44:05,174
  3678. Yeah, sure.
  3679. You know where it is.
  3680.  
  3681. 774
  3682. 00:44:05,176 --> 00:44:07,377
  3683. You can use my name
  3684. if you want.
  3685.  
  3686. 775
  3687. 00:44:08,412 --> 00:44:09,846
  3688. Thanks, Patrick.
  3689.  
  3690. 776
  3691. 00:44:09,848 --> 00:44:13,082
  3692. Don't thank me. Just get
  3693. these assholes, will you?
  3694.  
  3695. 777
  3696. 00:44:18,956 --> 00:44:21,257
  3697. He's one of the lucky ones.
  3698.  
  3699. 778
  3700. 00:44:22,359 --> 00:44:24,427
  3701. He's still alive.
  3702.  
  3703. 779
  3704. 00:44:32,303 --> 00:44:34,971
  3705. Do you want a cup of tea, Sacha?
  3706. I'm okay, Nana. Thanks.
  3707.  
  3708. 780
  3709. 00:44:38,376 --> 00:44:41,010
  3710. <i>Hello?</i> Hi, Joe.
  3711. It's Sacha Pfeiffer.
  3712.  
  3713. 781
  3714. 00:44:41,012 --> 00:44:43,379
  3715. <i>Hi, Sacha. How are you?</i>
  3716. I'm good, thanks.
  3717.  
  3718. 782
  3719. 00:44:43,381 --> 00:44:47,483
  3720. Um, listen, Joe, I just wanted to
  3721. follow up on one thing.
  3722.  
  3723. 783
  3724. 00:44:47,485 --> 00:44:50,119
  3725. You talked to Phil Saviano
  3726. about all of this, right?
  3727.  
  3728. 784
  3729. 00:44:50,121 --> 00:44:52,488
  3730. <i>Yeah, I did.
  3731. I went to a couple of SNAP meetings.</i>
  3732.  
  3733. 785
  3734. 00:44:52,490 --> 00:44:55,558
  3735. And did Phil ever suggest
  3736. you do anything about it?
  3737.  
  3738. 786
  3739. 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,461
  3740. <i>No. The meetings
  3741. weren't really about that.</i>
  3742.  
  3743. 787
  3744. 00:44:58,463 --> 00:45:02,198
  3745. <i>A couple of them had gone to a lawyer,
  3746. but I didn't think it was worth it.</i>
  3747.  
  3748. 788
  3749. 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:03,833
  3750. Why not?
  3751.  
  3752. 789
  3753. 00:45:03,835 --> 00:45:06,669
  3754. <i>There were just so many forms to fill out.
  3755. It was overwhelming.</i>
  3756.  
  3757. 790
  3758. 00:45:06,671 --> 00:45:09,238
  3759. <i>And he said he could only get me
  3760. a small settlement, so...</i>
  3761.  
  3762. 791
  3763. 00:45:09,240 --> 00:45:11,974
  3764. wh-who said that?
  3765. <i>The lawyer told me that.</i>
  3766.  
  3767. 792
  3768. 00:45:12,910 --> 00:45:15,978
  3769. So you<i> did</i> go
  3770. and see a lawyer?
  3771.  
  3772. 793
  3773. 00:45:15,980 --> 00:45:20,083
  3774. <i>Yeah, but I didn't end up using him,
  3775. so I didn't think it was important.</i>
  3776.  
  3777. 794
  3778. 00:45:20,085 --> 00:45:22,418
  3779. <i>I'm sorry.
  3780. I'm not trying to hide anything.</i>
  3781.  
  3782. 795
  3783. 00:45:22,420 --> 00:45:24,087
  3784. No, I-I-I know, Joe.
  3785.  
  3786. 796
  3787. 00:45:24,089 --> 00:45:26,656
  3788. Do you remember his name?
  3789. The lawyer?
  3790.  
  3791. 797
  3792. 00:45:26,658 --> 00:45:29,525
  3793. <i>No. But maybe Phil
  3794. would know.</i>
  3795.  
  3796. 798
  3797. 00:45:29,527 --> 00:45:33,763
  3798. <i>The guy was on TV a lot during the
  3799. Porter case. He was handsome.</i>
  3800.  
  3801. 799
  3802. 00:45:33,765 --> 00:45:35,331
  3803. Was it Eric Macleish?
  3804.  
  3805. 800
  3806. 00:45:35,333 --> 00:45:37,867
  3807. <i>Yeah, that's it.
  3808. Macleish.</i>
  3809.  
  3810. 801
  3811. 00:45:37,869 --> 00:45:39,902
  3812. <i>I thought
  3813. he was very handsome.</i>
  3814.  
  3815. 802
  3816. 00:45:42,707 --> 00:45:44,574
  3817. - Hey.
  3818. - Hey.
  3819.  
  3820. 803
  3821. 00:45:44,576 --> 00:45:47,777
  3822. I was just in the newsroom.
  3823. Judge Sweeney set a date for the hearing.
  3824.  
  3825. 804
  3826. 00:45:47,779 --> 00:45:49,946
  3827. Really? When?
  3828. Two weeks.
  3829.  
  3830. 805
  3831. 00:45:49,948 --> 00:45:51,447
  3832. In Springfield.
  3833. Oh.
  3834.  
  3835. 806
  3836. 00:45:51,449 --> 00:45:53,616
  3837. Canellos started a pool.
  3838. Ten bucks to get in.
  3839.  
  3840. 807
  3841. 00:45:53,618 --> 00:45:56,285
  3842. Anyone picking the<i> Globe?</i>
  3843.  
  3844. 808
  3845. 00:45:56,287 --> 00:45:58,607
  3846. He's only taking bets
  3847. on how fast Sweeney rules against us.
  3848.  
  3849. 809
  3850. 00:46:00,125 --> 00:46:02,024
  3851. Robby.
  3852. <i>Hi. It's me.</i>
  3853.  
  3854. 810
  3855. 00:46:02,026 --> 00:46:03,693
  3856. <i>Did you get my message?</i>
  3857. I did.
  3858.  
  3859. 811
  3860. 00:46:03,695 --> 00:46:05,928
  3861. Looks like father Shanley
  3862. could be our fourth Priest.
  3863.  
  3864. 812
  3865. 00:46:05,930 --> 00:46:07,563
  3866. <i>Yeah, I think he is.</i>
  3867.  
  3868. 813
  3869. 00:46:07,565 --> 00:46:10,299
  3870. Did you follow up with Macleish?
  3871. <i>I just talked to Phil.</i>
  3872.  
  3873. 814
  3874. 00:46:10,301 --> 00:46:12,468
  3875. <i>He said Macleish dealt
  3876. with a number of these cases.</i>
  3877.  
  3878. 815
  3879. 00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:15,104
  3880. <i>Guess he forgot</i>
  3881. <i>to mention that.</i> Yeah.
  3882.  
  3883. 816
  3884. 00:46:15,106 --> 00:46:17,106
  3885. I'm gonna go to
  3886. the courthouse tomorrow,
  3887.  
  3888. 817
  3889. 00:46:17,108 --> 00:46:19,776
  3890. see if I can find any cases
  3891. he settled against the church.
  3892.  
  3893. 818
  3894. 00:46:19,778 --> 00:46:22,078
  3895. <i>All right. Call me after you do.
  3896. Good night.</i>
  3897.  
  3898. 819
  3899. 00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:23,646
  3900. Okay. Good night.
  3901.  
  3902. 820
  3903. 00:46:26,483 --> 00:46:27,984
  3904. Hey.
  3905.  
  3906. 821
  3907. 00:46:27,986 --> 00:46:29,986
  3908. You wanted to, uh, chat?
  3909. Yeah.
  3910.  
  3911. 822
  3912. 00:46:29,988 --> 00:46:32,889
  3913. I'm late for a dinner.
  3914. Wanna walk me out? Sure.
  3915.  
  3916. 823
  3917. 00:46:34,091 --> 00:46:37,827
  3918. Geez. Does that guy ever go home?
  3919. Apparently not.
  3920.  
  3921. 824
  3922. 00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:41,597
  3923. I got guys who won't leave till he does.
  3924. He's wearing out the goddamn newsroom.
  3925.  
  3926. 825
  3927. 00:46:41,599 --> 00:46:45,501
  3928. Where are we on Geoghan?
  3929. Following up on more victims.
  3930.  
  3931. 826
  3932. 00:46:45,503 --> 00:46:48,471
  3933. I want to expand the investigation.
  3934. Why?
  3935.  
  3936. 827
  3937. 00:46:48,473 --> 00:46:51,774
  3938. We got a fourth Priest.
  3939. There might be as many as 13.
  3940.  
  3941. 828
  3942. 00:46:51,776 --> 00:46:53,843
  3943. Thirteen?
  3944. Yeah.
  3945.  
  3946. 829
  3947. 00:46:53,845 --> 00:46:56,445
  3948. Who's your source?
  3949. Phil Saviano.
  3950.  
  3951. 830
  3952. 00:46:56,447 --> 00:46:59,315
  3953. Jesus Christ, Robby. I told Mike
  3954. that guy's a fuckin'... I know, I know.
  3955.  
  3956. 831
  3957. 00:46:59,317 --> 00:47:01,684
  3958. I think Saviano
  3959. might be legit, Ben.
  3960.  
  3961. 832
  3962. 00:47:02,853 --> 00:47:04,587
  3963. Want to elaborate
  3964. on that?
  3965.  
  3966. 833
  3967. 00:47:04,589 --> 00:47:06,856
  3968. No. Not really.
  3969.  
  3970. 834
  3971. 00:47:06,858 --> 00:47:10,393
  3972. It just feels like this thing's stacking up.
  3973. That's my gut.
  3974.  
  3975. 835
  3976. 00:47:13,464 --> 00:47:15,498
  3977. Okay.
  3978. Okay. Good.
  3979.  
  3980. 836
  3981. 00:47:15,500 --> 00:47:17,233
  3982. Thank you.
  3983.  
  3984. 837
  3985. 00:47:24,842 --> 00:47:27,310
  3986. Hello?
  3987.  
  3988. 838
  3989. 00:47:27,312 --> 00:47:29,145
  3990. <i>Mr. Rezendes?</i>
  3991.  
  3992. 839
  3993. 00:47:29,147 --> 00:47:30,780
  3994. Uh, yeah. Who's this?
  3995.  
  3996. 840
  3997. 00:47:30,782 --> 00:47:32,548
  3998. <i>It's Richard Sipe.</i>
  3999.  
  4000. 841
  4001. 00:47:32,550 --> 00:47:34,817
  4002. Oh, yeah. Hey, Richard.
  4003. How are you?
  4004.  
  4005. 842
  4006. 00:47:34,819 --> 00:47:36,619
  4007. <i>I'm good.</i>
  4008. Uh, thanks for calling.
  4009.  
  4010. 843
  4011. 00:47:36,621 --> 00:47:39,655
  4012. Look, uh, Phil Saviano
  4013. g-gave me your name.
  4014.  
  4015. 844
  4016. 00:47:39,657 --> 00:47:42,058
  4017. I was wondering if I could ask you
  4018. a few questions.
  4019.  
  4020. 845
  4021. 00:47:42,060 --> 00:47:43,559
  4022. <i>Of course. Yeah.</i>
  4023. Great.
  4024.  
  4025. 846
  4026. 00:47:43,561 --> 00:47:46,295
  4027. Uh, so Phil told me
  4028. that you were working
  4029.  
  4030. 847
  4031. 00:47:46,297 --> 00:47:49,565
  4032. a-at one of the church's
  4033. treatment centers in Baltimore.
  4034.  
  4035. 848
  4036. 00:47:49,567 --> 00:47:52,401
  4037. <i>Yes. The Seton
  4038. Psychiatric Institute.</i>
  4039.  
  4040. 849
  4041. 00:47:52,403 --> 00:47:54,403
  4042. <i>It was run by
  4043. the daughters of charity.</i>
  4044.  
  4045. 850
  4046. 00:47:54,405 --> 00:47:57,874
  4047. And, uh,
  4048. when was that, Richard?
  4049.  
  4050. 851
  4051. 00:47:57,876 --> 00:48:02,378
  4052. <i>Well, I started my psychotherapy
  4053. fellowship there in 1965,</i>
  4054.  
  4055. 852
  4056. 00:48:02,380 --> 00:48:04,547
  4057. okay.
  4058. <i>And I was there for five years,</i>
  4059.  
  4060. 853
  4061. 00:48:04,549 --> 00:48:08,584
  4062. <i>but I spent the next 30 studying
  4063. abusive Priests and their victims.</i>
  4064.  
  4065. 854
  4066. 00:48:08,586 --> 00:48:10,086
  4067. Really?
  4068. <i>Mm-hmm.</i>
  4069.  
  4070. 855
  4071. 00:48:10,088 --> 00:48:12,188
  4072. And that's... that's been
  4073. your sole focus?
  4074.  
  4075. 856
  4076. 00:48:12,190 --> 00:48:17,093
  4077. <i>Look, Mike, the church wants us to believe
  4078. that it's just a few bad apples.</i>
  4079.  
  4080. 857
  4081. 00:48:17,095 --> 00:48:19,061
  4082. <i>But it's a much bigger problem
  4083. than that.</i>
  4084.  
  4085. 858
  4086. 00:48:19,063 --> 00:48:20,863
  4087. How much bigger, Richard?
  4088.  
  4089. 859
  4090. 00:48:20,865 --> 00:48:22,899
  4091. <i>Well, based on the research,</i>
  4092.  
  4093. 860
  4094. 00:48:22,901 --> 00:48:26,669
  4095. <i>I would classify it as a recognizable
  4096. psychiatric phenomenon.</i>
  4097.  
  4098. 861
  4099. 00:48:27,671 --> 00:48:29,472
  4100. That's big.
  4101.  
  4102. 862
  4103. 00:48:34,177 --> 00:48:35,945
  4104. Hey, Mac.
  4105. Hey.
  4106.  
  4107. 863
  4108. 00:48:35,947 --> 00:48:39,582
  4109. If I wanted historical data on a Priest,
  4110. parishes he's been assigned to,
  4111.  
  4112. 864
  4113. 00:48:39,584 --> 00:48:41,050
  4114. where would I find that?
  4115.  
  4116. 865
  4117. 00:48:41,052 --> 00:48:43,853
  4118. The Geoghan case? It's all in the clips.
  4119. Lisa has the source material.
  4120.  
  4121. 866
  4122. 00:48:43,855 --> 00:48:46,789
  4123. What if it was for another Priest, one that
  4124. hadn't been in the papers?
  4125.  
  4126. 867
  4127. 00:48:46,791 --> 00:48:49,692
  4128. You're looking at another Priest?
  4129. Who you looking at?
  4130.  
  4131. 868
  4132. 00:48:49,694 --> 00:48:51,260
  4133. Any ideas?
  4134.  
  4135. 869
  4136. 00:48:51,262 --> 00:48:54,063
  4137. Come on, Matt.
  4138. You're not gonna tell me?
  4139.  
  4140. 870
  4141. 00:48:54,065 --> 00:48:56,499
  4142. I gotta get to a meeting.
  4143. Thanks, Mac. Hey, Steve.
  4144.  
  4145. 871
  4146. 00:48:58,035 --> 00:49:01,771
  4147. The archdiocese puts out an annual directory,
  4148. every Priest and parish.
  4149.  
  4150. 872
  4151. 00:49:01,773 --> 00:49:03,306
  4152. That's great.
  4153.  
  4154. 873
  4155. 00:49:03,308 --> 00:49:05,541
  4156. Do these go back
  4157. any further than '98?
  4158.  
  4159. 874
  4160. 00:49:05,543 --> 00:49:07,810
  4161. Oh, yeah. Going back
  4162. to the '80s in the Mez.
  4163.  
  4164. 875
  4165. 00:49:07,812 --> 00:49:09,445
  4166. Beyond that,
  4167. you gotta go to BPL.
  4168.  
  4169. 876
  4170. 00:49:09,447 --> 00:49:12,048
  4171. The Mez, huh?
  4172. Thanks, Lisa. You bet.
  4173.  
  4174. 877
  4175. 00:49:13,150 --> 00:49:15,785
  4176. He said they all target
  4177. the same kind of kid.
  4178.  
  4179. 878
  4180. 00:49:15,787 --> 00:49:19,488
  4181. Low-income families,
  4182. absentee fathers, broken homes.
  4183.  
  4184. 879
  4185. 00:49:19,490 --> 00:49:22,658
  4186. So a guy like Geoghan goes after boys
  4187. not because he prefers them,
  4188.  
  4189. 880
  4190. 00:49:22,660 --> 00:49:25,428
  4191. but because they have more shame,
  4192. less likely to talk.
  4193.  
  4194. 881
  4195. 00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:27,096
  4196. Hmm.
  4197.  
  4198. 882
  4199. 00:49:27,098 --> 00:49:28,764
  4200. These guys are predators, Robby.
  4201. Yeah.
  4202.  
  4203. 883
  4204. 00:49:28,766 --> 00:49:30,333
  4205. I-I-I talked to Sipe.
  4206.  
  4207. 884
  4208. 00:49:30,335 --> 00:49:33,269
  4209. He said he's seen dozens of them
  4210. in the '60s in Seton.
  4211.  
  4212. 885
  4213. 00:49:33,271 --> 00:49:34,937
  4214. He called it
  4215. a "phenomenon."
  4216.  
  4217. 886
  4218. 00:49:34,939 --> 00:49:36,672
  4219. Why didn't he go public?
  4220. He did.
  4221.  
  4222. 887
  4223. 00:49:36,674 --> 00:49:39,308
  4224. But the church made a huge effort
  4225. to discredit him.
  4226.  
  4227. 888
  4228. 00:49:39,310 --> 00:49:42,478
  4229. Smear campaigns,
  4230. public statements by prominent bishops.
  4231.  
  4232. 889
  4233. 00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,348
  4234. It's just like Saviano said.
  4235. And Garabedian.
  4236.  
  4237. 890
  4238. 00:49:45,350 --> 00:49:48,484
  4239. You getting anywhere with him?
  4240. More victims.
  4241.  
  4242. 891
  4243. 00:49:48,486 --> 00:49:50,653
  4244. More victims.
  4245. You can't empty his pockets?
  4246.  
  4247. 892
  4248. 00:49:50,655 --> 00:49:52,855
  4249. I'll get to him.
  4250. I just need more time.
  4251.  
  4252. 893
  4253. 00:49:52,857 --> 00:49:54,757
  4254. Come on, Mike.
  4255. You gotta get him.
  4256.  
  4257. 894
  4258. 00:49:54,759 --> 00:49:56,525
  4259. I'll get him.
  4260. I'll get him.
  4261.  
  4262. 895
  4263. 00:49:59,097 --> 00:50:00,997
  4264. Jesus. What the hell
  4265. is that smell?
  4266.  
  4267. 896
  4268. 00:50:00,999 --> 00:50:03,432
  4269. There's a dead rat
  4270. in the corner.
  4271.  
  4272. 897
  4273. 00:50:03,434 --> 00:50:05,267
  4274. What have you got?
  4275. Church directories.
  4276.  
  4277. 898
  4278. 00:50:05,269 --> 00:50:09,038
  4279. It's every Priest in Massachusetts,
  4280. what parish they're assigned to.
  4281.  
  4282. 899
  4283. 00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,540
  4284. Are these official?
  4285. Yeah. I figured it could help us track down
  4286.  
  4287. 900
  4288. 00:50:11,542 --> 00:50:14,543
  4289. some of the Priests Saviano mentioned,
  4290. maybe find some more victims.
  4291.  
  4292. 901
  4293. 00:50:14,545 --> 00:50:16,712
  4294. Can we turn on some more lights?
  4295. I couldn't find the switch.
  4296.  
  4297. 902
  4298. 00:50:16,714 --> 00:50:19,048
  4299. You wanna borrow my glasses?
  4300. No, I'm good. I'm good.
  4301.  
  4302. 903
  4303. 00:50:19,050 --> 00:50:20,816
  4304. Look. 1983.
  4305.  
  4306. 904
  4307. 00:50:20,818 --> 00:50:23,719
  4308. John Geoghan,
  4309. St. Brendan's parish, Dorchester.
  4310.  
  4311. 905
  4312. 00:50:23,721 --> 00:50:26,188
  4313. So we can find out
  4314. where any Priest is in any given year?
  4315.  
  4316. 906
  4317. 00:50:26,190 --> 00:50:28,958
  4318. Yeah, I got him here
  4319. at...
  4320.  
  4321. 907
  4322. 00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,060
  4323. huh.
  4324. What?
  4325.  
  4326. 908
  4327. 00:50:31,062 --> 00:50:33,195
  4328. 1980. The year Geoghan
  4329. was pulled from JP.
  4330.  
  4331. 909
  4332. 00:50:33,197 --> 00:50:35,031
  4333. It says he's
  4334. on sick leave.
  4335.  
  4336. 910
  4337. 00:50:35,033 --> 00:50:37,133
  4338. Come on.
  4339. It really says that?
  4340.  
  4341. 911
  4342. 00:50:38,001 --> 00:50:40,903
  4343. Where is, uh, 1991?
  4344.  
  4345. 912
  4346. 00:50:40,905 --> 00:50:42,571
  4347. Yeah. Here ya go.
  4348.  
  4349. 913
  4350. 00:50:42,573 --> 00:50:45,041
  4351. Let me see this.
  4352. Barrett. Barrett. Liam.
  4353.  
  4354. 914
  4355. 00:50:45,043 --> 00:50:47,743
  4356. I can't read that.
  4357. Look for a Liam Barrett in there.
  4358.  
  4359. 915
  4360. 00:50:47,745 --> 00:50:51,213
  4361. 1991's the year they pulled him
  4362. out of Charlestown.
  4363.  
  4364. 916
  4365. 00:50:52,749 --> 00:50:54,350
  4366. "Barrett, Liam."
  4367.  
  4368. 917
  4369. 00:50:54,352 --> 00:50:56,819
  4370. - Yeah.
  4371. - "Sick leave."
  4372.  
  4373. 918
  4374. 00:50:57,921 --> 00:50:59,889
  4375. It's an official
  4376. designation.
  4377.  
  4378. 919
  4379. 00:51:01,425 --> 00:51:03,592
  4380. Let's get these upstairs.
  4381.  
  4382. 920
  4383. 00:51:03,594 --> 00:51:05,928
  4384. Matt, check on those Priests
  4385. Saviano gave us.
  4386.  
  4387. 921
  4388. 00:51:05,930 --> 00:51:08,431
  4389. Robby.
  4390. <i>I'm down at the courthouse.</i>
  4391.  
  4392. 922
  4393. 00:51:08,433 --> 00:51:10,199
  4394. Something's not right here.
  4395.  
  4396. 923
  4397. 00:51:10,201 --> 00:51:12,935
  4398. Nothing on Shanley either, Sacha.
  4399. Okay, thanks.
  4400.  
  4401. 924
  4402. 00:51:12,937 --> 00:51:16,539
  4403. Um, we need to talk to Macleish again.
  4404. <i>Really. Why?</i>
  4405.  
  4406. 925
  4407. 00:51:16,541 --> 00:51:20,242
  4408. Huh? There's nothing here.
  4409. There aren't any records.
  4410.  
  4411. 926
  4412. 00:51:25,382 --> 00:51:27,716
  4413. Thanks for waiting.
  4414. So sorry, guys. Stuck on a call.
  4415.  
  4416. 927
  4417. 00:51:27,718 --> 00:51:29,618
  4418. Not a problem.
  4419. How are you? Good.
  4420.  
  4421. 928
  4422. 00:51:29,620 --> 00:51:31,587
  4423. Thanks for meeting us.
  4424. You bet. What's up, guys?
  4425.  
  4426. 929
  4427. 00:51:31,589 --> 00:51:35,424
  4428. Mr. Macleish, are you familiar with
  4429. a Priest named Paul Shanley?
  4430.  
  4431. 930
  4432. 00:51:35,426 --> 00:51:38,294
  4433. Yes, I am familiar
  4434. with him.
  4435.  
  4436. 931
  4437. 00:51:39,529 --> 00:51:42,898
  4438. And have you settled cases
  4439. against father Shanley?
  4440.  
  4441. 932
  4442. 00:51:42,900 --> 00:51:47,536
  4443. As I'm sure you can understand,
  4444. I can't discuss that with you.
  4445.  
  4446. 933
  4447. 00:51:47,538 --> 00:51:51,574
  4448. Yeah, h-how about, uh,
  4449. father Ronald Paquin?
  4450.  
  4451. 934
  4452. 00:51:51,576 --> 00:51:56,579
  4453. Well, I can't discuss that
  4454. with you either. Come on, guys.
  4455.  
  4456. 935
  4457. 00:51:56,581 --> 00:51:59,281
  4458. We understand you've settled
  4459. several cases against each of them.
  4460.  
  4461. 936
  4462. 00:51:59,283 --> 00:52:02,318
  4463. Even if I'd been involved
  4464. in those cases,
  4465.  
  4466. 937
  4467. 00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,120
  4468. the settlements
  4469. would be confidential
  4470.  
  4471. 938
  4472. 00:52:04,122 --> 00:52:07,223
  4473. and I could be disbarred
  4474. for acknowledging their existence.
  4475.  
  4476. 939
  4477. 00:52:07,991 --> 00:52:10,226
  4478. Okay?
  4479. Mm-hmm.
  4480.  
  4481. 940
  4482. 00:52:10,228 --> 00:52:12,394
  4483. Look, I told you guys
  4484. these are tough cases.
  4485.  
  4486. 941
  4487. 00:52:13,630 --> 00:52:16,765
  4488. Most of these folks, they just want
  4489. some acknowledgment
  4490.  
  4491. 942
  4492. 00:52:16,767 --> 00:52:18,501
  4493. of what happened.
  4494.  
  4495. 943
  4496. 00:52:18,503 --> 00:52:21,170
  4497. We got 'em a sit-down
  4498. with the bishop and a little dough,
  4499.  
  4500. 944
  4501. 00:52:21,172 --> 00:52:23,072
  4502. and that's the best
  4503. they could hope for.
  4504.  
  4505. 945
  4506. 00:52:23,074 --> 00:52:28,010
  4507. Well, it's certainly the best the<i> Priests</i>
  4508. could hope for.
  4509.  
  4510. 946
  4511. 00:52:28,012 --> 00:52:31,480
  4512. No, the church promised
  4513. they'd take the Priests out of circulation.
  4514.  
  4515. 947
  4516. 00:52:31,482 --> 00:52:34,416
  4517. And did you follow up on that?
  4518.  
  4519. 948
  4520. 00:52:38,255 --> 00:52:40,789
  4521. Do you guys need anything else?
  4522.  
  4523. 949
  4524. 00:52:40,791 --> 00:52:43,692
  4525. Yes. Why aren't there
  4526. any records?
  4527.  
  4528. 950
  4529. 00:52:43,694 --> 00:52:45,794
  4530. I was down
  4531. at the courthouse earlier.
  4532.  
  4533. 951
  4534. 00:52:45,796 --> 00:52:47,930
  4535. There aren't any records
  4536. of any of these settlements.
  4537.  
  4538. 952
  4539. 00:52:50,367 --> 00:52:52,501
  4540. We dealt directly
  4541. with the church.
  4542.  
  4543. 953
  4544. 00:52:53,803 --> 00:52:58,674
  4545. We would draw up a demand letter
  4546. and send it to the chancery.
  4547.  
  4548. 954
  4549. 00:52:58,676 --> 00:53:02,211
  4550. - You never filed anything in court?
  4551. - It's a private mediation.
  4552.  
  4553. 955
  4554. 00:53:02,213 --> 00:53:04,880
  4555. So, this is just you
  4556.  
  4557. 956
  4558. 00:53:04,882 --> 00:53:09,485
  4559. and the archdiocese's lawyers
  4560. in a room?
  4561.  
  4562. 957
  4563. 00:53:09,487 --> 00:53:12,154
  4564. - Correct.
  4565. - Anyone else?
  4566.  
  4567. 958
  4568. 00:53:12,156 --> 00:53:15,891
  4569. Occasionally the church would bring in
  4570. another defense attorney to help out.
  4571.  
  4572. 959
  4573. 00:53:15,893 --> 00:53:17,760
  4574. You have names?
  4575.  
  4576. 960
  4577. 00:53:18,795 --> 00:53:21,030
  4578. Nope. No, I don't.
  4579.  
  4580. 961
  4581. 00:53:22,065 --> 00:53:24,033
  4582. So this was all
  4583. under the table?
  4584.  
  4585. 962
  4586. 00:53:24,035 --> 00:53:26,068
  4587. There's no paper trail
  4588. at all.
  4589.  
  4590. 963
  4591. 00:53:26,070 --> 00:53:29,138
  4592. The victim has to sign a confidentiality
  4593. agreement to get the settlement.
  4594.  
  4595. 964
  4596. 00:53:29,140 --> 00:53:32,174
  4597. The lawyer takes a third,
  4598. and the church sweeps it under the rug.
  4599.  
  4600. 965
  4601. 00:53:32,176 --> 00:53:35,077
  4602. It's a freakin' Racket.
  4603. It's more complicated than that.
  4604.  
  4605. 966
  4606. 00:53:35,079 --> 00:53:38,514
  4607. Macleish has got a duty to the client
  4608. to get the best deal he can.
  4609.  
  4610. 967
  4611. 00:53:38,516 --> 00:53:42,351
  4612. Sure. But how many victims do you represent
  4613. and profit from before you say something?
  4614.  
  4615. 968
  4616. 00:53:42,353 --> 00:53:44,486
  4617. Garabedian would say none.
  4618.  
  4619. 969
  4620. 00:53:44,488 --> 00:53:46,522
  4621. That's why he's taking
  4622. these cases to court.
  4623.  
  4624. 970
  4625. 00:53:46,524 --> 00:53:49,058
  4626. He wants people to know about this.
  4627. I agree.
  4628.  
  4629. 971
  4630. 00:53:49,060 --> 00:53:51,227
  4631. And legal ethics aside, Ben,
  4632.  
  4633. 972
  4634. 00:53:51,229 --> 00:53:53,062
  4635. I mean, operating
  4636. the way Macleish has
  4637.  
  4638. 973
  4639. 00:53:53,064 --> 00:53:56,599
  4640. all but guarantees that
  4641. the abuse stays under wraps.
  4642.  
  4643. 974
  4644. 00:53:56,601 --> 00:53:59,702
  4645. Yeah. Did Macleish confirm
  4646. all Saviano's Priests?
  4647.  
  4648. 975
  4649. 00:53:59,704 --> 00:54:04,440
  4650. No. He's limited by his
  4651. confidentiality agreement.
  4652.  
  4653. 976
  4654. 00:54:04,442 --> 00:54:07,443
  4655. But clearly he's settled cases
  4656. against a number of them.
  4657.  
  4658. 977
  4659. 00:54:07,445 --> 00:54:09,778
  4660. Phil's put me in touch
  4661. with some of the other victims.
  4662.  
  4663. 978
  4664. 00:54:09,780 --> 00:54:12,348
  4665. I'm pretty confident all of his Priests
  4666. are gonna check out.
  4667.  
  4668. 979
  4669. 00:54:13,116 --> 00:54:14,850
  4670. So it is 13 Priests?
  4671.  
  4672. 980
  4673. 00:54:14,852 --> 00:54:17,620
  4674. - Yeah.
  4675. - Looks that way.
  4676.  
  4677. 981
  4678. 00:54:17,622 --> 00:54:19,688
  4679. Holy shit.
  4680.  
  4681. 982
  4682. 00:54:22,259 --> 00:54:24,426
  4683. Okay. Keep going.
  4684.  
  4685. 983
  4686. 00:54:27,864 --> 00:54:29,765
  4687. I'm sorry.
  4688. What was the name again?
  4689.  
  4690. 984
  4691. 00:54:30,700 --> 00:54:32,534
  4692. Uh, Baron.
  4693.  
  4694. 985
  4695. 00:54:33,870 --> 00:54:36,639
  4696. B-A-R-O-N.
  4697.  
  4698. 986
  4699. 00:54:36,641 --> 00:54:39,808
  4700. I'm having trouble finding it.
  4701. Just give me a second.
  4702.  
  4703. 987
  4704. 00:54:39,810 --> 00:54:42,278
  4705. It's okay, Kim.
  4706. I can vouch for him.
  4707.  
  4708. 988
  4709. 00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,214
  4710. I'm Pete Conley.
  4711. I'm on the Board of Catholic Charities.
  4712.  
  4713. 989
  4714. 00:54:45,216 --> 00:54:46,915
  4715. Welcome to Boston,
  4716. Mr. Baron.
  4717.  
  4718. 990
  4719. 00:54:46,917 --> 00:54:49,652
  4720. Thank you.
  4721. I appreciate you joining us.
  4722.  
  4723. 991
  4724. 00:54:49,654 --> 00:54:53,389
  4725. We're very proud of the work
  4726. we do here in Boston.
  4727.  
  4728. 992
  4729. 00:54:53,391 --> 00:54:56,158
  4730. Oh, the Cardinal said
  4731. you had a nice visit.
  4732.  
  4733. 993
  4734. 00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:57,826
  4735. Yes, we did.
  4736.  
  4737. 994
  4738. 00:54:57,828 --> 00:55:02,064
  4739. He's an extraordinary man.
  4740. I'm glad you had a chance to chat.
  4741.  
  4742. 995
  4743. 00:55:14,944 --> 00:55:17,346
  4744. Enjoying yourself?
  4745.  
  4746. 996
  4747. 00:55:17,348 --> 00:55:21,817
  4748. Uh, to be honest,
  4749. these events aren't really my strong suit.
  4750.  
  4751. 997
  4752. 00:55:21,819 --> 00:55:24,753
  4753. Yeah. Are you involved
  4754. with the charity?
  4755.  
  4756. 998
  4757. 00:55:24,755 --> 00:55:27,256
  4758. Not directly, no.
  4759. Several of my friends are.
  4760.  
  4761. 999
  4762. 00:55:27,258 --> 00:55:29,825
  4763. We all went to high school
  4764. at BC High.
  4765.  
  4766. 1000
  4767. 00:55:29,827 --> 00:55:32,461
  4768. That's the school across the street
  4769. from the<i> Globe.</i>
  4770.  
  4771. 1001
  4772. 00:55:32,463 --> 00:55:34,563
  4773. It's hard to miss.
  4774. Yeah.
  4775.  
  4776. 1002
  4777. 00:55:35,498 --> 00:55:37,199
  4778. Hard to get away from too,
  4779. apparently.
  4780.  
  4781. 1003
  4782. 00:55:39,537 --> 00:55:42,971
  4783. The, uh, Cardinal's
  4784. in the corner,
  4785.  
  4786. 1004
  4787. 00:55:42,973 --> 00:55:44,540
  4788. if you're so inclined.
  4789.  
  4790. 1005
  4791. 00:55:44,542 --> 00:55:46,642
  4792. We've met.
  4793. Really?
  4794.  
  4795. 1006
  4796. 00:55:46,644 --> 00:55:48,877
  4797. Did he mention
  4798. the suit?
  4799.  
  4800. 1007
  4801. 00:55:48,879 --> 00:55:51,880
  4802. No, but he did give me
  4803. a copy of the catechism.
  4804.  
  4805. 1008
  4806. 00:55:51,882 --> 00:55:53,182
  4807. Yeah.
  4808.  
  4809. 1009
  4810. 00:55:53,184 --> 00:55:55,651
  4811. Well, the Cardinal's
  4812. not known for his subtlety.
  4813.  
  4814. 1010
  4815. 00:55:55,653 --> 00:55:57,386
  4816. During the Porter investigation,
  4817.  
  4818. 1011
  4819. 00:55:57,388 --> 00:56:01,223
  4820. he literally called down
  4821. the power of God on the<i> Globe.</i>
  4822.  
  4823. 1012
  4824. 00:56:01,225 --> 00:56:02,958
  4825. How'd that play out?
  4826.  
  4827. 1013
  4828. 00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:06,695
  4829. A week later, our editor
  4830. broke his leg skiing.
  4831.  
  4832. 1014
  4833. 00:56:07,797 --> 00:56:09,798
  4834. Shrimp toast,
  4835. gentlemen?
  4836.  
  4837. 1015
  4838. 00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:11,934
  4839. Uh, no, thanks.
  4840. Thanks.
  4841.  
  4842. 1016
  4843. 00:56:13,203 --> 00:56:17,306
  4844. You said one of the victims
  4845. filed a criminal complaint?
  4846.  
  4847. 1017
  4848. 00:56:17,308 --> 00:56:20,075
  4849. Yeah, there were
  4850. a few of them.
  4851.  
  4852. 1018
  4853. 00:56:20,077 --> 00:56:21,910
  4854. But the judge had
  4855. the case records sealed
  4856.  
  4857. 1019
  4858. 00:56:21,912 --> 00:56:24,046
  4859. after friends
  4860. of the church complained.
  4861.  
  4862. 1020
  4863. 00:56:24,048 --> 00:56:26,148
  4864. And the church
  4865. has a lot of friends.
  4866.  
  4867. 1021
  4868. 00:56:26,150 --> 00:56:27,583
  4869. Like Eric Macleish?
  4870.  
  4871. 1022
  4872. 00:56:29,018 --> 00:56:30,586
  4873. Yeah.
  4874.  
  4875. 1023
  4876. 00:56:30,588 --> 00:56:33,589
  4877. Let's just say he's not
  4878. part of the solution.
  4879.  
  4880. 1024
  4881. 00:56:33,591 --> 00:56:35,758
  4882. You follow what I'm saying?
  4883. Sure.
  4884.  
  4885. 1025
  4886. 00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:37,760
  4887. You work hard,
  4888. Mr. Rezendes.
  4889.  
  4890. 1026
  4891. 00:56:37,762 --> 00:56:40,662
  4892. Are you married?
  4893. Yeah.
  4894.  
  4895. 1027
  4896. 00:56:40,664 --> 00:56:44,733
  4897. Your wife doesn't mind you working
  4898. all the time? Oh, yeah, she does.
  4899.  
  4900. 1028
  4901. 00:56:46,202 --> 00:56:49,605
  4902. That's why I never got married.
  4903. I'm too busy.
  4904.  
  4905. 1029
  4906. 00:56:49,607 --> 00:56:51,940
  4907. What I do
  4908. is too important.
  4909.  
  4910. 1030
  4911. 00:56:51,942 --> 00:56:53,675
  4912. Mmm.
  4913.  
  4914. 1031
  4915. 00:56:55,779 --> 00:56:58,447
  4916. Your new editor,
  4917. he's a Jew, right?
  4918.  
  4919. 1032
  4920. 00:56:58,449 --> 00:57:00,115
  4921. That's right. Yeah.
  4922.  
  4923. 1033
  4924. 00:57:00,117 --> 00:57:02,117
  4925. Well, see, he comes in
  4926.  
  4927. 1034
  4928. 00:57:02,119 --> 00:57:04,620
  4929. and suddenly everybody's
  4930. interested in the church.
  4931.  
  4932. 1035
  4933. 00:57:04,622 --> 00:57:06,789
  4934. You know why?
  4935. Mmm.
  4936.  
  4937. 1036
  4938. 00:57:06,791 --> 00:57:10,392
  4939. Because it takes
  4940. an outsider, like me.
  4941.  
  4942. 1037
  4943. 00:57:10,394 --> 00:57:12,094
  4944. I'm Armenian.
  4945.  
  4946. 1038
  4947. 00:57:12,096 --> 00:57:14,163
  4948. How many Armenians
  4949. do you know in Boston?
  4950.  
  4951. 1039
  4952. 00:57:15,432 --> 00:57:17,366
  4953. Steve Kurkjian.
  4954. Works at the<i> Globe.</i>
  4955.  
  4956. 1040
  4957. 00:57:17,368 --> 00:57:21,637
  4958. Oh. That's two.
  4959. You should get a prize or something.
  4960.  
  4961. 1041
  4962. 00:57:21,639 --> 00:57:24,940
  4963. What are you, Italian?
  4964. No, I'm Portuguese.
  4965.  
  4966. 1042
  4967. 00:57:24,942 --> 00:57:28,143
  4968. From where?
  4969. Uh, East Boston.
  4970.  
  4971. 1043
  4972. 00:57:29,612 --> 00:57:32,147
  4973. Really? East Boston?
  4974.  
  4975. 1044
  4976. 00:57:33,550 --> 00:57:35,317
  4977. You don't sound like it.
  4978.  
  4979. 1045
  4980. 00:57:41,491 --> 00:57:45,994
  4981. This city, these people...
  4982.  
  4983. 1046
  4984. 00:57:45,996 --> 00:57:48,664
  4985. making the rest of us feel
  4986. like we don't belong.
  4987.  
  4988. 1047
  4989. 00:57:48,666 --> 00:57:50,999
  4990. But they're no better than us.
  4991.  
  4992. 1048
  4993. 00:57:51,001 --> 00:57:53,135
  4994. Look at how they treat
  4995. their children.
  4996.  
  4997. 1049
  4998. 00:57:55,238 --> 00:57:57,105
  4999. Mark my words, Mr. Rezendes,
  5000.  
  5001. 1050
  5002. 00:57:57,107 --> 00:57:59,508
  5003. if it takes a village
  5004. to raise a child,
  5005.  
  5006. 1051
  5007. 00:57:59,510 --> 00:58:02,277
  5008. it takes a village
  5009. to abuse one.
  5010.  
  5011. 1052
  5012. 00:58:05,616 --> 00:58:07,349
  5013. Hey, here he is.
  5014.  
  5015. 1053
  5016. 00:58:07,351 --> 00:58:09,518
  5017. Want a beer?
  5018. Love one.
  5019.  
  5020. 1054
  5021. 00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:11,019
  5022. Another.
  5023.  
  5024. 1055
  5025. 00:58:11,021 --> 00:58:14,356
  5026. You here with Barbara?
  5027. No, no. She hates these things.
  5028.  
  5029. 1056
  5030. 00:58:14,358 --> 00:58:15,624
  5031. Karen too.
  5032. Yeah.
  5033.  
  5034. 1057
  5035. 00:58:15,626 --> 00:58:17,192
  5036. Smart ladies.
  5037.  
  5038. 1058
  5039. 00:58:17,194 --> 00:58:18,760
  5040. <i>Sláinte.
  5041. Sláinte.</i>
  5042.  
  5043. 1059
  5044. 00:58:19,696 --> 00:58:22,698
  5045. Mmm. I met
  5046. your new editor.
  5047.  
  5048. 1060
  5049. 00:58:22,700 --> 00:58:24,433
  5050. Seemed like
  5051. a decent fellow.
  5052.  
  5053. 1061
  5054. 00:58:24,435 --> 00:58:26,101
  5055. I think he is.
  5056.  
  5057. 1062
  5058. 00:58:27,537 --> 00:58:30,672
  5059. Hey, I had
  5060. an interesting conversation
  5061.  
  5062. 1063
  5063. 00:58:30,674 --> 00:58:32,808
  5064. with Eric Macleish
  5065. the other day.
  5066.  
  5067. 1064
  5068. 00:58:32,810 --> 00:58:37,846
  5069. Turns out he's been settling abuse cases
  5070. with the Archdiocese for years.
  5071.  
  5072. 1065
  5073. 00:58:37,848 --> 00:58:41,183
  5074. You really want
  5075. to talk about this here?
  5076.  
  5077. 1066
  5078. 00:58:41,185 --> 00:58:47,289
  5079. Jim, you said you helped out
  5080. on father Barrett as a favor.
  5081.  
  5082. 1067
  5083. 00:58:47,291 --> 00:58:49,124
  5084. That was a one-off?
  5085.  
  5086. 1068
  5087. 00:58:52,897 --> 00:58:56,031
  5088. How many of these cases
  5089. you been involved with?
  5090.  
  5091. 1069
  5092. 00:58:56,033 --> 00:58:58,800
  5093. You know I can't answer that, Robby.
  5094. It's unethical.
  5095.  
  5096. 1070
  5097. 00:58:59,802 --> 00:59:01,770
  5098. Is that all it is?
  5099.  
  5100. 1071
  5101. 00:59:04,007 --> 00:59:08,210
  5102. So,<i> this</i> would be
  5103. the Robby Robinson
  5104.  
  5105. 1072
  5106. 00:59:08,212 --> 00:59:10,579
  5107. I've always heard about
  5108. but never met.
  5109.  
  5110. 1073
  5111. 00:59:10,581 --> 00:59:12,247
  5112. Huh?
  5113.  
  5114. 1074
  5115. 00:59:12,249 --> 00:59:14,550
  5116. Listen to me, Jimmy.
  5117.  
  5118. 1075
  5119. 00:59:14,552 --> 00:59:16,718
  5120. You want to be
  5121. on the right side of this.
  5122.  
  5123. 1076
  5124. 00:59:18,755 --> 00:59:21,590
  5125. This is the church
  5126. you're talking about, Robby.
  5127.  
  5128. 1077
  5129. 00:59:21,592 --> 00:59:23,559
  5130. Look around.
  5131. These are good people.
  5132.  
  5133. 1078
  5134. 00:59:23,561 --> 00:59:25,661
  5135. Done a lot of good
  5136. for this city.
  5137.  
  5138. 1079
  5139. 00:59:26,763 --> 00:59:28,797
  5140. Enjoy the party.
  5141.  
  5142. 1080
  5143. 00:59:37,373 --> 00:59:39,841
  5144. I've been through
  5145. a lot of these now.
  5146.  
  5147. 1081
  5148. 00:59:39,843 --> 00:59:41,543
  5149. "Sick leave" isn't
  5150. the only designation they use
  5151.  
  5152. 1082
  5153. 00:59:41,545 --> 00:59:43,779
  5154. when they take one of these Priests
  5155. out of circulation.
  5156.  
  5157. 1083
  5158. 00:59:43,781 --> 00:59:46,014
  5159. They use a slew of terms:
  5160. "Absent on leave,"
  5161.  
  5162. 1084
  5163. 00:59:46,016 --> 00:59:48,417
  5164. "unassigned,"
  5165. "emergency response."
  5166.  
  5167. 1085
  5168. 00:59:48,419 --> 00:59:51,186
  5169. They got a word for everything, these guys.
  5170. Except rape.
  5171.  
  5172. 1086
  5173. 00:59:51,188 --> 00:59:53,722
  5174. And they move parishes
  5175. way more frequently than other Priests.
  5176.  
  5177. 1087
  5178. 00:59:53,724 --> 00:59:57,059
  5179. When I was a kid, a Priest moved after
  5180. seven or eight years, sometimes longer.
  5181.  
  5182. 1088
  5183. 00:59:57,061 --> 00:59:59,628
  5184. These guys, it's two
  5185. to three years tops.
  5186.  
  5187. 1089
  5188. 00:59:59,630 --> 01:00:02,030
  5189. And did they use these designations
  5190. for all of Saviano's Priests?
  5191.  
  5192. 1090
  5193. 01:00:02,032 --> 01:00:04,266
  5194. Yeah.
  5195. It's a pretty clear pattern.
  5196.  
  5197. 1091
  5198. 01:00:04,268 --> 01:00:06,268
  5199. Guys, I got Sipe.
  5200.  
  5201. 1092
  5202. 01:00:06,270 --> 01:00:09,304
  5203. <i>I think if you really want
  5204. to understand the crisis,</i>
  5205.  
  5206. 1093
  5207. 01:00:09,306 --> 01:00:11,940
  5208. <i>you need to start
  5209. with the celibacy requirement.</i>
  5210.  
  5211. 1094
  5212. 01:00:11,942 --> 01:00:14,042
  5213. <i>That was my first major finding.</i>
  5214.  
  5215. 1095
  5216. 01:00:14,044 --> 01:00:16,845
  5217. <i>Only 50% of the clergy
  5218. are celibate.</i>
  5219.  
  5220. 1096
  5221. 01:00:17,981 --> 01:00:21,216
  5222. <i>Now, most of them are having sex
  5223. with other adults.</i>
  5224.  
  5225. 1097
  5226. 01:00:21,218 --> 01:00:24,152
  5227. <i>But the fact remains that this
  5228. creates a culture of secrecy</i>
  5229.  
  5230. 1098
  5231. 01:00:24,154 --> 01:00:27,322
  5232. <i>that tolerates
  5233. and even protects pedophiles.</i>
  5234.  
  5235. 1099
  5236. 01:00:28,491 --> 01:00:30,158
  5237. So you believe
  5238. the church
  5239.  
  5240. 1100
  5241. 01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,461
  5242. is aware of the extent
  5243. of this, uh, crisis?
  5244.  
  5245. 1101
  5246. 01:00:32,463 --> 01:00:33,762
  5247. <i>Oh, absolutely.</i>
  5248.  
  5249. 1102
  5250. 01:00:33,764 --> 01:00:35,731
  5251. <i>After the first major scandal
  5252. in Louisiana,</i>
  5253.  
  5254. 1103
  5255. 01:00:35,733 --> 01:00:39,067
  5256. <i>Tom Doyle, the secretary canonist
  5257. for the Papal Nuncio,</i>
  5258.  
  5259. 1104
  5260. 01:00:39,069 --> 01:00:41,937
  5261. <i>co-authored a report
  5262. warning pedophile Priests</i>
  5263.  
  5264. 1105
  5265. 01:00:41,939 --> 01:00:44,339
  5266. <i>were a billion-dollar
  5267. liability.</i>
  5268.  
  5269. 1106
  5270. 01:00:44,341 --> 01:00:46,174
  5271. <i>That was in 1985.</i>
  5272.  
  5273. 1107
  5274. 01:00:46,176 --> 01:00:47,609
  5275. 1985?
  5276.  
  5277. 1108
  5278. 01:00:47,611 --> 01:00:49,244
  5279. <i>That's right.</i>
  5280.  
  5281. 1109
  5282. 01:00:49,246 --> 01:00:52,247
  5283. Who saw that report?
  5284. Anyone from the catholic hierarchy?
  5285.  
  5286. 1110
  5287. 01:00:52,249 --> 01:00:55,417
  5288. <i>Sure. Doyle tried
  5289. to introduce the report</i>
  5290.  
  5291. 1111
  5292. 01:00:55,419 --> 01:00:57,786
  5293. <i>at the national conference
  5294. of catholic bishops.</i>
  5295.  
  5296. 1112
  5297. 01:00:57,788 --> 01:01:01,790
  5298. <i>In fact, Cardinal law
  5299. initially helped to fund the report.</i>
  5300.  
  5301. 1113
  5302. 01:01:01,792 --> 01:01:03,992
  5303. <i>But then he backed out
  5304. and they shelved it.</i>
  5305.  
  5306. 1114
  5307. 01:01:03,994 --> 01:01:07,529
  5308. Is he kidding me?
  5309. Uh, Richard, Robby here.
  5310.  
  5311. 1115
  5312. 01:01:07,531 --> 01:01:12,200
  5313. We think we have 13 Priests in Boston
  5314. that fit this pattern,
  5315.  
  5316. 1116
  5317. 01:01:12,202 --> 01:01:16,038
  5318. which would be a very...
  5319. a very big story.
  5320.  
  5321. 1117
  5322. 01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:19,975
  5323. Does that sound right to you,
  5324. uh, in terms of scale?
  5325.  
  5326. 1118
  5327. 01:01:19,977 --> 01:01:23,679
  5328. <i>No, not really, Robby.
  5329. Sounds low to me.</i>
  5330.  
  5331. 1119
  5332. 01:01:23,681 --> 01:01:28,016
  5333. <i>My estimates suggest six percent
  5334. act out sexually with minors.</i>
  5335.  
  5336. 1120
  5337. 01:01:28,018 --> 01:01:30,786
  5338. Uh, six percent
  5339. of what?
  5340.  
  5341. 1121
  5342. 01:01:30,788 --> 01:01:32,954
  5343. <i>Six percent of all Priests.</i>
  5344.  
  5345. 1122
  5346. 01:01:32,956 --> 01:01:34,956
  5347. How many Priests
  5348. do we have in Boston?
  5349.  
  5350. 1123
  5351. 01:01:34,958 --> 01:01:36,892
  5352. About 1,500.
  5353. One percent is 15.
  5354.  
  5355. 1124
  5356. 01:01:36,894 --> 01:01:40,429
  5357. Six percent is... 90.
  5358.  
  5359. 1125
  5360. 01:01:41,698 --> 01:01:43,999
  5361. Wait.
  5362. Nine-ninety Priests?
  5363.  
  5364. 1126
  5365. 01:01:44,001 --> 01:01:45,801
  5366. Is that possible?
  5367.  
  5368. 1127
  5369. 01:01:45,803 --> 01:01:49,237
  5370. <i>From a metric standpoint, yes.</i>
  5371.  
  5372. 1128
  5373. 01:01:49,239 --> 01:01:52,307
  5374. <i>That would certainly
  5375. be in line with my findings.</i>
  5376.  
  5377. 1129
  5378. 01:01:58,014 --> 01:02:00,148
  5379. <i>Hello?</i>
  5380. Uh...
  5381.  
  5382. 1130
  5383. 01:02:01,651 --> 01:02:03,985
  5384. ninety fucking Priests?
  5385. In Boston?
  5386.  
  5387. 1131
  5388. 01:02:03,987 --> 01:02:06,221
  5389. That's what he said.
  5390.  
  5391. 1132
  5392. 01:02:06,223 --> 01:02:09,391
  5393. If there were 90 of these bastards,
  5394. people would know.
  5395.  
  5396. 1133
  5397. 01:02:09,393 --> 01:02:10,926
  5398. Maybe they do.
  5399.  
  5400. 1134
  5401. 01:02:10,928 --> 01:02:13,261
  5402. And no one said
  5403. a thing?
  5404.  
  5405. 1135
  5406. 01:02:13,263 --> 01:02:15,230
  5407. Good Germans.
  5408.  
  5409. 1136
  5410. 01:02:15,232 --> 01:02:17,499
  5411. I don't think that's a comparison
  5412. you want to make publicly.
  5413.  
  5414. 1137
  5415. 01:02:17,501 --> 01:02:20,736
  5416. Macleish knew.
  5417. He just didn't say anything.
  5418.  
  5419. 1138
  5420. 01:02:20,738 --> 01:02:22,337
  5421. That's 13 Priests.
  5422.  
  5423. 1139
  5424. 01:02:22,339 --> 01:02:24,439
  5425. There's a big difference
  5426. between 13 and 90.
  5427.  
  5428. 1140
  5429. 01:02:24,441 --> 01:02:26,241
  5430. Where's this guy Sipe
  5431. getting his numbers?
  5432.  
  5433. 1141
  5434. 01:02:26,243 --> 01:02:28,276
  5435. Well, he's been
  5436. studying it for 30 years.
  5437.  
  5438. 1142
  5439. 01:02:28,278 --> 01:02:30,679
  5440. He is a trained psychotherapist.
  5441. Okay.
  5442.  
  5443. 1143
  5444. 01:02:30,681 --> 01:02:33,749
  5445. But we need something more than a metric
  5446. from some hippie ex-Priest
  5447.  
  5448. 1144
  5449. 01:02:33,751 --> 01:02:35,450
  5450. who's shacking up
  5451. with a nun.
  5452.  
  5453. 1145
  5454. 01:02:35,452 --> 01:02:38,854
  5455. Okay, so we'll track down more victims.
  5456. We'll get more Priests.
  5457.  
  5458. 1146
  5459. 01:02:38,856 --> 01:02:41,456
  5460. Then we could check them
  5461. against the directories.
  5462.  
  5463. 1147
  5464. 01:02:41,458 --> 01:02:44,459
  5465. - That's a shitload of victims.
  5466. - We'll get there.
  5467.  
  5468. 1148
  5469. 01:02:44,461 --> 01:02:46,928
  5470. How long's it gonna take?
  5471.  
  5472. 1149
  5473. 01:02:46,930 --> 01:02:48,864
  5474. Too long.
  5475.  
  5476. 1150
  5477. 01:02:49,766 --> 01:02:51,466
  5478. Wait. Meeting's over?
  5479.  
  5480. 1151
  5481. 01:02:51,468 --> 01:02:53,335
  5482. Yeah, for now.
  5483.  
  5484. 1152
  5485. 01:02:54,971 --> 01:02:58,039
  5486. What've you got?
  5487. What if we work backwards?
  5488.  
  5489. 1153
  5490. 01:02:58,041 --> 01:03:00,075
  5491. What do you mean?
  5492. From what? From the directories.
  5493.  
  5494. 1154
  5495. 01:03:00,077 --> 01:03:03,478
  5496. We've been using them to confirm bad Priests.
  5497. What if we do it the other way around?
  5498.  
  5499. 1155
  5500. 01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:05,981
  5501. Use the directories to identify bad Priests.
  5502. Yeah, exactly.
  5503.  
  5504. 1156
  5505. 01:03:05,983 --> 01:03:10,285
  5506. We search by designation.
  5507. We look for any Priest on "sick leave" or "unassigned."
  5508.  
  5509. 1157
  5510. 01:03:10,287 --> 01:03:12,621
  5511. Or have been moved around a lot.
  5512. Yeah.
  5513.  
  5514. 1158
  5515. 01:03:12,623 --> 01:03:16,324
  5516. It's gonna take a load of work.
  5517. Well, not if we're all on it.
  5518.  
  5519. 1159
  5520. 01:03:16,326 --> 01:03:17,592
  5521. You too?
  5522.  
  5523. 1160
  5524. 01:03:17,594 --> 01:03:20,462
  5525. Generally that's what "all" means.
  5526. Yeah, generally.
  5527.  
  5528. 1161
  5529. 01:04:14,150 --> 01:04:16,451
  5530. Library is closing.
  5531.  
  5532. 1162
  5533. 01:04:19,055 --> 01:04:21,356
  5534. Library is closing.
  5535.  
  5536. 1163
  5537. 01:04:29,899 --> 01:04:32,100
  5538. Holy shit.
  5539.  
  5540. 1164
  5541. 01:05:19,415 --> 01:05:21,016
  5542. No freakin' way.
  5543.  
  5544. 1165
  5545. 01:05:30,092 --> 01:05:31,126
  5546. - Talbot.
  5547. - Yep.
  5548.  
  5549. 1166
  5550. 01:05:31,128 --> 01:05:32,794
  5551. - Tivnan.
  5552. - Yep.
  5553.  
  5554. 1167
  5555. 01:05:32,796 --> 01:05:33,862
  5556. Toma.
  5557. Yep.
  5558.  
  5559. 1168
  5560. 01:05:33,864 --> 01:05:35,463
  5561. Turnbull.
  5562. Yep.
  5563.  
  5564. 1169
  5565. 01:05:35,465 --> 01:05:36,731
  5566. Walsh.
  5567. Yep.
  5568.  
  5569. 1170
  5570. 01:05:36,733 --> 01:05:38,033
  5571. Welsh.
  5572. Yep.
  5573.  
  5574. 1171
  5575. 01:05:38,035 --> 01:05:39,401
  5576. That's it.
  5577. That's it.
  5578.  
  5579. 1172
  5580. 01:05:39,403 --> 01:05:40,869
  5581. - Holy shit.
  5582. - Robby.
  5583.  
  5584. 1173
  5585. 01:05:40,871 --> 01:05:43,204
  5586. That's three off Sipe's estimate.
  5587. That's incredible.
  5588.  
  5589. 1174
  5590. 01:05:43,206 --> 01:05:44,706
  5591. Robby.
  5592.  
  5593. 1175
  5594. 01:05:44,708 --> 01:05:46,141
  5595. How many?
  5596. Eighty-seven.
  5597.  
  5598. 1176
  5599. 01:05:46,143 --> 01:05:48,209
  5600. Eighty-seven Priests
  5601. in Boston.
  5602.  
  5603. 1177
  5604. 01:05:50,446 --> 01:05:54,316
  5605. Call Macleish.
  5606. I wanna talk to him. Okay.
  5607.  
  5608. 1178
  5609. 01:05:54,318 --> 01:05:56,985
  5610. Can you print it?
  5611. Sure can.
  5612.  
  5613. 1179
  5614. 01:05:59,556 --> 01:06:01,289
  5615. <i>Jim Sullivan's office.</i>
  5616.  
  5617. 1180
  5618. 01:06:01,291 --> 01:06:03,458
  5619. Yeah, Walter Robinson
  5620. for Jim Sullivan.
  5621.  
  5622. 1181
  5623. 01:06:03,460 --> 01:06:05,327
  5624. Tell him it's important, please.
  5625.  
  5626. 1182
  5627. 01:06:05,329 --> 01:06:07,228
  5628. <i>One moment, please.</i>
  5629.  
  5630. 1183
  5631. 01:06:11,667 --> 01:06:13,335
  5632. <i>Hey, Robby.
  5633. Everything okay?</i>
  5634.  
  5635. 1184
  5636. 01:06:13,337 --> 01:06:15,570
  5637. I need you
  5638. to tell me something, Jim.
  5639.  
  5640. 1185
  5641. 01:06:15,572 --> 01:06:18,340
  5642. Could it be 90 Priests?
  5643. <i>What?</i>
  5644.  
  5645. 1186
  5646. 01:06:18,342 --> 01:06:20,675
  5647. Could it be as high as 90?
  5648.  
  5649. 1187
  5650. 01:06:20,677 --> 01:06:22,177
  5651. <i>Jesus, Robby.</i>
  5652.  
  5653. 1188
  5654. 01:06:22,179 --> 01:06:25,747
  5655. I need to know, Jim.
  5656. I wouldn't be asking if it wasn't important.
  5657.  
  5658. 1189
  5659. 01:06:27,583 --> 01:06:29,684
  5660. <i>You gotta stop this,
  5661. Robby.</i>
  5662.  
  5663. 1190
  5664. 01:06:37,693 --> 01:06:41,830
  5665. Robby, Macleish's assistant
  5666. said he's all booked up. He can't see us.
  5667.  
  5668. 1191
  5669. 01:06:41,832 --> 01:06:44,099
  5670. Yeah. Well, the hell he can't.
  5671.  
  5672. 1192
  5673. 01:06:49,305 --> 01:06:51,339
  5674. All right.
  5675. That'll be fun.
  5676.  
  5677. 1193
  5678. 01:06:54,710 --> 01:06:56,878
  5679. You know what?
  5680. I'll catch up with you, okay?
  5681.  
  5682. 1194
  5683. 01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:59,114
  5684. Okay.
  5685. Hey.
  5686.  
  5687. 1195
  5688. 01:06:59,116 --> 01:07:01,983
  5689. I'm really sorry. I am.
  5690. I don't have any time to talk right now...
  5691.  
  5692. 1196
  5693. 01:07:01,985 --> 01:07:03,952
  5694. Mr. Macleish,
  5695. we have reason to believe
  5696.  
  5697. 1197
  5698. 01:07:03,954 --> 01:07:06,855
  5699. that there are allegations
  5700. against as many as 87 Priests in Boston.
  5701.  
  5702. 1198
  5703. 01:07:08,024 --> 01:07:09,624
  5704. I can't talk to you
  5705. about that.
  5706.  
  5707. 1199
  5708. 01:07:09,626 --> 01:07:11,559
  5709. Does that number sound right to you?
  5710. You gotta be kidding me.
  5711.  
  5712. 1200
  5713. 01:07:11,561 --> 01:07:13,461
  5714. I just told you
  5715. I don't have time for this crap now.
  5716.  
  5717. 1201
  5718. 01:07:13,463 --> 01:07:16,464
  5719. Eric, how many Priests
  5720. did you settle?
  5721.  
  5722. 1202
  5723. 01:07:16,466 --> 01:07:18,466
  5724. Robby, you know
  5725. I can't tell you that.
  5726.  
  5727. 1203
  5728. 01:07:18,468 --> 01:07:21,870
  5729. You're gonna give me the names
  5730. and the names of their victims.
  5731.  
  5732. 1204
  5733. 01:07:21,872 --> 01:07:23,671
  5734. Um...
  5735.  
  5736. 1205
  5737. 01:07:23,673 --> 01:07:25,140
  5738. are you threatening me?
  5739.  
  5740. 1206
  5741. 01:07:25,142 --> 01:07:27,308
  5742. We've got two stories here.
  5743.  
  5744. 1207
  5745. 01:07:27,310 --> 01:07:29,477
  5746. We've got a story
  5747. about degenerate Clergy,
  5748.  
  5749. 1208
  5750. 01:07:29,479 --> 01:07:31,579
  5751. and we've got a story
  5752. about a bunch of lawyers
  5753.  
  5754. 1209
  5755. 01:07:31,581 --> 01:07:34,082
  5756. turning child abuse
  5757. into a cottage industry.
  5758.  
  5759. 1210
  5760. 01:07:34,084 --> 01:07:37,185
  5761. Now, which story
  5762. do you want us to write?
  5763.  
  5764. 1211
  5765. 01:07:37,187 --> 01:07:38,653
  5766. 'Cause we're writing one of 'em.
  5767.  
  5768. 1212
  5769. 01:07:42,224 --> 01:07:45,226
  5770. I already sent you
  5771. a list of names.
  5772.  
  5773. 1213
  5774. 01:07:46,195 --> 01:07:47,929
  5775. What are you talking about?
  5776. To whom?
  5777.  
  5778. 1214
  5779. 01:07:47,931 --> 01:07:50,598
  5780. The<i> Globe.</i> Years ago.
  5781.  
  5782. 1215
  5783. 01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:52,934
  5784. After the Porter case,
  5785. I got plenty of calls.
  5786.  
  5787. 1216
  5788. 01:07:52,936 --> 01:07:55,103
  5789. I had 20 Priests
  5790. in Boston alone,
  5791.  
  5792. 1217
  5793. 01:07:55,105 --> 01:07:57,105
  5794. but I couldn't go after them
  5795. without the press.
  5796.  
  5797. 1218
  5798. 01:07:57,107 --> 01:08:00,341
  5799. So I sent you guys
  5800. a list of names,
  5801.  
  5802. 1219
  5803. 01:08:00,343 --> 01:08:02,343
  5804. and you buried it.
  5805.  
  5806. 1220
  5807. 01:08:03,946 --> 01:08:07,649
  5808. - I want those names tomorrow.
  5809. - Check your goddamn clips, Robby.
  5810.  
  5811. 1221
  5812. 01:08:09,952 --> 01:08:13,788
  5813. We didn't find anything in the clips.
  5814. Yeah. Big surprise.
  5815.  
  5816. 1222
  5817. 01:08:14,723 --> 01:08:18,860
  5818. Richard, uh,
  5819. do you still go to Mass?
  5820.  
  5821. 1223
  5822. 01:08:18,862 --> 01:08:21,629
  5823. <i>No. No, I haven't been to church
  5824. for some time now.</i>
  5825.  
  5826. 1224
  5827. 01:08:21,631 --> 01:08:24,265
  5828. <i>But I still consider myself
  5829. a catholic.</i>
  5830.  
  5831. 1225
  5832. 01:08:24,267 --> 01:08:26,067
  5833. H-How does that work?
  5834.  
  5835. 1226
  5836. 01:08:26,069 --> 01:08:30,305
  5837. <i>Well, the church is
  5838. an institution, Mike, made of men.</i>
  5839.  
  5840. 1227
  5841. 01:08:30,307 --> 01:08:32,207
  5842. <i>It's passing.</i>
  5843.  
  5844. 1228
  5845. 01:08:32,209 --> 01:08:34,943
  5846. <i>My faith is in the eternal.</i>
  5847.  
  5848. 1229
  5849. 01:08:34,945 --> 01:08:37,145
  5850. <i>I try to separate the two.</i>
  5851.  
  5852. 1230
  5853. 01:08:37,147 --> 01:08:39,781
  5854. Sounds tricky.
  5855. <i>It is.</i>
  5856.  
  5857. 1231
  5858. 01:08:39,783 --> 01:08:42,984
  5859. <i>Especially since the church
  5860. continues to go after me.</i>
  5861.  
  5862. 1232
  5863. 01:08:42,986 --> 01:08:44,953
  5864. <i>It takes a toll, Mike.</i>
  5865.  
  5866. 1233
  5867. 01:08:44,955 --> 01:08:47,055
  5868. <i>They'll try to silence anyone
  5869. who speaks out.</i>
  5870.  
  5871. 1234
  5872. 01:08:47,057 --> 01:08:49,624
  5873. <i>I'm sure they'll come after you
  5874. and your team soon enough.</i>
  5875.  
  5876. 1235
  5877. 01:08:49,626 --> 01:08:52,060
  5878. Really. And how do you think
  5879. they'd do that?
  5880.  
  5881. 1236
  5882. 01:08:55,631 --> 01:08:57,265
  5883. Hello?
  5884.  
  5885. 1237
  5886. 01:08:57,267 --> 01:08:58,733
  5887. Richard?
  5888.  
  5889. 1238
  5890. 01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:06,274
  5891. Who is it?
  5892.  
  5893. 1239
  5894. 01:09:06,276 --> 01:09:08,343
  5895. It's the Archbishop
  5896. of Canterbury.
  5897.  
  5898. 1240
  5899. 01:09:11,947 --> 01:09:14,149
  5900. I had dinner at Santarpio's.
  5901. Had some leftovers.
  5902.  
  5903. 1241
  5904. 01:09:14,151 --> 01:09:16,851
  5905. Ah, you're the freakin' best.
  5906. Thanks.
  5907.  
  5908. 1242
  5909. 01:09:16,853 --> 01:09:19,187
  5910. You want a beer?
  5911. Yeah.
  5912.  
  5913. 1243
  5914. 01:09:19,189 --> 01:09:20,788
  5915. You got it.
  5916.  
  5917. 1244
  5918. 01:09:20,790 --> 01:09:24,425
  5919. Jesus. How much longer
  5920. you gonna be in this shithole?
  5921.  
  5922. 1245
  5923. 01:09:24,427 --> 01:09:26,461
  5924. Yeah.
  5925. I'm working on it.
  5926.  
  5927. 1246
  5928. 01:09:26,463 --> 01:09:28,196
  5929. She's a good girl, Mike.
  5930.  
  5931. 1247
  5932. 01:09:28,198 --> 01:09:31,266
  5933. Yeah, she is.
  5934. We'll figure it out.
  5935.  
  5936. 1248
  5937. 01:09:31,268 --> 01:09:33,701
  5938. I haven't had
  5939. a lot of time lately.
  5940.  
  5941. 1249
  5942. 01:09:33,703 --> 01:09:35,703
  5943. I just got off the phone
  5944. with Sipe, actually.
  5945.  
  5946. 1250
  5947. 01:09:35,705 --> 01:09:38,039
  5948. Have you met this guy
  5949. in person yet?
  5950.  
  5951. 1251
  5952. 01:09:38,041 --> 01:09:41,943
  5953. No, but his knowledge of this
  5954. is on a whole other level.
  5955.  
  5956. 1252
  5957. 01:09:41,945 --> 01:09:43,611
  5958. I'm frickin' starving.
  5959.  
  5960. 1253
  5961. 01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:47,649
  5962. So, where are we with the 90?
  5963.  
  5964. 1254
  5965. 01:09:47,651 --> 01:09:49,184
  5966. We're close.
  5967.  
  5968. 1255
  5969. 01:09:49,186 --> 01:09:51,186
  5970. How close?
  5971. We're close.
  5972.  
  5973. 1256
  5974. 01:09:51,188 --> 01:09:52,954
  5975. Just answer the question,
  5976. will you?
  5977.  
  5978. 1257
  5979. 01:09:56,192 --> 01:09:58,393
  5980. We got 87 names.
  5981.  
  5982. 1258
  5983. 01:09:58,395 --> 01:10:00,562
  5984. We're trying to get confirmation.
  5985. I think we will.
  5986.  
  5987. 1259
  5988. 01:10:02,531 --> 01:10:05,233
  5989. Something bugging you?
  5990.  
  5991. 1260
  5992. 01:10:05,235 --> 01:10:08,069
  5993. It's just surprising,
  5994. that's all.
  5995.  
  5996. 1261
  5997. 01:10:08,071 --> 01:10:10,872
  5998. Yeah. Yeah, it is.
  5999.  
  6000. 1262
  6001. 01:10:10,874 --> 01:10:12,607
  6002. For everybody.
  6003.  
  6004. 1263
  6005. 01:10:16,712 --> 01:10:20,048
  6006. Wait, Ben.
  6007. I forgot to ask you.
  6008.  
  6009. 1264
  6010. 01:10:20,050 --> 01:10:23,518
  6011. Phil Saviano said he sent a bunch of info
  6012. over to the<i> Globe</i> years ago.
  6013.  
  6014. 1265
  6015. 01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:26,521
  6016. - Do you have any idea to who?
  6017. - No. Why?
  6018.  
  6019. 1266
  6020. 01:10:26,523 --> 01:10:30,491
  6021. I'm just curious. I wanted to see if
  6022. there's any leads you guys didn't run out.
  6023.  
  6024. 1267
  6025. 01:10:30,493 --> 01:10:34,028
  6026. Saviano was a fucking train wreck five
  6027. years ago. We didn't miss anything.
  6028.  
  6029. 1268
  6030. 01:10:34,030 --> 01:10:35,964
  6031. This story needed Spotlight.
  6032.  
  6033. 1269
  6034. 01:10:37,266 --> 01:10:39,500
  6035. Yeah, I agree.
  6036. I'm just following up.
  6037.  
  6038. 1270
  6039. 01:10:42,238 --> 01:10:44,272
  6040. - Good night.
  6041. - Yeah, good night.
  6042.  
  6043. 1271
  6044. 01:10:48,277 --> 01:10:51,446
  6045. This is unbelievable.
  6046. When did you get this?
  6047.  
  6048. 1272
  6049. 01:10:51,448 --> 01:10:53,514
  6050. Macleish e-mailed
  6051. the list this morning.
  6052.  
  6053. 1273
  6054. 01:10:53,516 --> 01:10:56,217
  6055. He settled cases
  6056. against 45 Priests.
  6057.  
  6058. 1274
  6059. 01:10:56,219 --> 01:10:58,620
  6060. Where are we on law?
  6061.  
  6062. 1275
  6063. 01:10:58,622 --> 01:11:00,788
  6064. Anything that shows
  6065. he had knowledge of this?
  6066.  
  6067. 1276
  6068. 01:11:00,790 --> 01:11:03,124
  6069. We're still working Garabedian.
  6070. But nothing concrete.
  6071.  
  6072. 1277
  6073. 01:11:03,126 --> 01:11:05,793
  6074. I keep thinking about
  6075. that conversation we had the other night
  6076.  
  6077. 1278
  6078. 01:11:05,795 --> 01:11:08,563
  6079. about how law
  6080. called down the power of God
  6081.  
  6082. 1279
  6083. 01:11:08,565 --> 01:11:10,632
  6084. when we reported on Porter.
  6085.  
  6086. 1280
  6087. 01:11:10,634 --> 01:11:13,134
  6088. That's just law being law.
  6089.  
  6090. 1281
  6091. 01:11:13,136 --> 01:11:18,573
  6092. Okay. But I checked the clips, and, uh,
  6093. Porter isn't even in the Boston Archdiocese.
  6094.  
  6095. 1282
  6096. 01:11:18,575 --> 01:11:23,044
  6097. He's from fall river.
  6098. So... why the extreme reaction?
  6099.  
  6100. 1283
  6101. 01:11:24,313 --> 01:11:26,481
  6102. Law had to know.
  6103.  
  6104. 1284
  6105. 01:11:26,483 --> 01:11:28,483
  6106. That's why he had the reaction.
  6107.  
  6108. 1285
  6109. 01:11:28,485 --> 01:11:30,551
  6110. Because he knew
  6111. there were others.
  6112.  
  6113. 1286
  6114. 01:11:33,489 --> 01:11:35,556
  6115. I think that's the bigger story.
  6116.  
  6117. 1287
  6118. 01:11:35,558 --> 01:11:38,559
  6119. Wait.
  6120. Bigger than 50 Priests?
  6121.  
  6122. 1288
  6123. 01:11:38,561 --> 01:11:41,329
  6124. If it came
  6125. from the top down, yes.
  6126.  
  6127. 1289
  6128. 01:11:41,331 --> 01:11:44,932
  6129. But the numbers clearly indicate that there
  6130. were Senior Clergy involved.
  6131.  
  6132. 1290
  6133. 01:11:44,934 --> 01:11:46,668
  6134. That's all they do...
  6135. indicate.
  6136.  
  6137. 1291
  6138. 01:11:46,670 --> 01:11:50,004
  6139. Are you telling me that if we run a story
  6140. with 50 pedophile Priests in Boston...
  6141.  
  6142. 1292
  6143. 01:11:50,006 --> 01:11:51,272
  6144. Mike.
  6145.  
  6146. 1293
  6147. 01:11:51,274 --> 01:11:53,841
  6148. We'll get into the same catfight
  6149. you got into on Porter,
  6150.  
  6151. 1294
  6152. 01:11:53,843 --> 01:11:57,979
  6153. which made a lot of noise
  6154. but changed things not one bit.
  6155.  
  6156. 1295
  6157. 01:12:00,850 --> 01:12:04,485
  6158. We need to focus on the institution,
  6159. not the individual Priests.
  6160.  
  6161. 1296
  6162. 01:12:04,487 --> 01:12:06,688
  6163. Practice and policy.
  6164.  
  6165. 1297
  6166. 01:12:06,690 --> 01:12:08,489
  6167. Show me the church
  6168. manipulated the system
  6169.  
  6170. 1298
  6171. 01:12:08,491 --> 01:12:10,792
  6172. so that these guys
  6173. wouldn't have to face charges.
  6174.  
  6175. 1299
  6176. 01:12:10,794 --> 01:12:13,027
  6177. Show me they put those
  6178. same Priests back into parishes
  6179.  
  6180. 1300
  6181. 01:12:13,029 --> 01:12:14,662
  6182. time and time again.
  6183.  
  6184. 1301
  6185. 01:12:14,664 --> 01:12:18,499
  6186. Show me this was systemic,
  6187. that it came from the top down.
  6188.  
  6189. 1302
  6190. 01:12:20,269 --> 01:12:22,603
  6191. Sounds like
  6192. we're going after law.
  6193.  
  6194. 1303
  6195. 01:12:26,308 --> 01:12:28,543
  6196. We're going after
  6197. the system.
  6198.  
  6199. 1304
  6200. 01:12:31,113 --> 01:12:34,148
  6201. Make a list of all the victims we have.
  6202. Start reaching out.
  6203.  
  6204. 1305
  6205. 01:12:34,150 --> 01:12:36,217
  6206. And bring Matt in if you need help.
  6207. Mm-hmm. Okay.
  6208.  
  6209. 1306
  6210. 01:12:36,219 --> 01:12:39,053
  6211. Hey, when do you go to Springfield?
  6212. Our hearing is Monday.
  6213.  
  6214. 1307
  6215. 01:12:39,055 --> 01:12:40,321
  6216. Okay.
  6217.  
  6218. 1308
  6219. 01:12:40,323 --> 01:12:42,290
  6220. Hey, Robby,
  6221. you got a second?
  6222.  
  6223. 1309
  6224. 01:12:42,292 --> 01:12:44,158
  6225. Yeah.
  6226.  
  6227. 1310
  6228. 01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:48,529
  6229. I, uh... I got one of those treatment
  6230. centers a block from my house.
  6231.  
  6232. 1311
  6233. 01:12:50,299 --> 01:12:52,033
  6234. We got neighbors
  6235. with kids.
  6236.  
  6237. 1312
  6238. 01:12:52,035 --> 01:12:54,068
  6239. I know that the work we do
  6240. is confidential,
  6241.  
  6242. 1313
  6243. 01:12:54,070 --> 01:12:57,739
  6244. but I'm feeling like...
  6245. I should tell 'em.
  6246.  
  6247. 1314
  6248. 01:13:01,710 --> 01:13:03,478
  6249. We'll tell 'em soon.
  6250.  
  6251. 1315
  6252. 01:13:04,546 --> 01:13:06,481
  6253. You sure?
  6254.  
  6255. 1316
  6256. 01:13:06,483 --> 01:13:08,149
  6257. Yeah.
  6258. Okay.
  6259.  
  6260. 1317
  6261. 01:13:11,420 --> 01:13:13,921
  6262. Hi there. I'm Sacha Pfeiffer.
  6263. I'm with the<i> Boston Globe.</i>
  6264.  
  6265. 1318
  6266. 01:13:13,923 --> 01:13:17,258
  6267. I'm just looking for a gentleman
  6268. by the name of Matthew Walsh.
  6269.  
  6270. 1319
  6271. 01:13:17,260 --> 01:13:19,560
  6272. Uh, no, he's not.
  6273.  
  6274. 1320
  6275. 01:13:22,531 --> 01:13:25,566
  6276. Right there.
  6277. Yeah. Okay. Okay.
  6278.  
  6279. 1321
  6280. 01:13:32,274 --> 01:13:33,908
  6281. Hi.
  6282. Hi.
  6283.  
  6284. 1322
  6285. 01:13:33,910 --> 01:13:35,443
  6286. I'm Sacha Pfeiffer
  6287. from the<i> Boston Globe.</i>
  6288.  
  6289. 1323
  6290. 01:13:35,445 --> 01:13:37,845
  6291. Yeah, what do you want?
  6292. I'd like to speak with Thomas Kennedy.
  6293.  
  6294. 1324
  6295. 01:13:37,847 --> 01:13:40,715
  6296. He doesn't live here anymore.
  6297. Do you know where he lives?
  6298.  
  6299. 1325
  6300. 01:13:40,717 --> 01:13:42,850
  6301. Sir, I'd just like
  6302. to ask a few...
  6303.  
  6304. 1326
  6305. 01:13:44,686 --> 01:13:46,387
  6306. Sacha Pfeiffer,<i> Boston Globe.</i>
  6307.  
  6308. 1327
  6309. 01:13:46,389 --> 01:13:49,624
  6310. Oh, yeah. Hi.
  6311. Hi. Thank you.
  6312.  
  6313. 1328
  6314. 01:13:49,626 --> 01:13:52,794
  6315. Anything else you can recall?
  6316. No.
  6317.  
  6318. 1329
  6319. 01:13:52,796 --> 01:13:54,796
  6320. No, but I got
  6321. a cousin in Quincy.
  6322.  
  6323. 1330
  6324. 01:13:54,798 --> 01:13:56,697
  6325. She saw him in the street
  6326. a few years later.
  6327.  
  6328. 1331
  6329. 01:13:57,699 --> 01:13:59,133
  6330. The bishop
  6331. came to the house.
  6332.  
  6333. 1332
  6334. 01:13:59,135 --> 01:14:01,235
  6335. He said nothing like this
  6336. had ever happened before.
  6337.  
  6338. 1333
  6339. 01:14:01,237 --> 01:14:04,772
  6340. - He asked us not to press charges.
  6341. - And what did your mother do?
  6342.  
  6343. 1334
  6344. 01:14:04,774 --> 01:14:07,308
  6345. My mother?
  6346.  
  6347. 1335
  6348. 01:14:07,310 --> 01:14:09,377
  6349. She put out
  6350. freakin' cookies.
  6351.  
  6352. 1336
  6353. 01:14:13,316 --> 01:14:15,750
  6354. There was
  6355. a lot of pressure to keep quiet.
  6356.  
  6357. 1337
  6358. 01:14:15,752 --> 01:14:18,719
  6359. From the church?
  6360. Yeah, from the church.
  6361.  
  6362. 1338
  6363. 01:14:18,721 --> 01:14:20,721
  6364. But not just
  6365. the church.
  6366.  
  6367. 1339
  6368. 01:14:20,723 --> 01:14:23,458
  6369. From my friends.
  6370.  
  6371. 1340
  6372. 01:14:23,460 --> 01:14:25,126
  6373. From the other parishioners.
  6374.  
  6375. 1341
  6376. 01:14:25,128 --> 01:14:28,229
  6377. <i>Well, many of
  6378. the Priests that I treated</i>
  6379.  
  6380. 1342
  6381. 01:14:28,231 --> 01:14:29,797
  6382. <i>were psychosexually stunted.</i>
  6383.  
  6384. 1343
  6385. 01:14:29,799 --> 01:14:32,133
  6386. <i>On the emotional level
  6387. of a 12- or 13-year-old.</i>
  6388.  
  6389. 1344
  6390. 01:14:32,135 --> 01:14:33,734
  6391. Jesus.
  6392.  
  6393. 1345
  6394. 01:14:33,736 --> 01:14:35,670
  6395. Sure the chief knew.
  6396. Everybody knew.
  6397.  
  6398. 1346
  6399. 01:14:35,672 --> 01:14:37,505
  6400. But nobody wants
  6401. to cuff a Priest.
  6402.  
  6403. 1347
  6404. 01:14:37,507 --> 01:14:41,409
  6405. Mmm. And what about
  6406. the prosecutor?
  6407.  
  6408. 1348
  6409. 01:14:41,411 --> 01:14:45,246
  6410. I shouldn't talk about this shit.
  6411. I think you should, actually.
  6412.  
  6413. 1349
  6414. 01:14:45,248 --> 01:14:48,182
  6415. Do you know a father Hurley
  6416. or a father Gale?
  6417.  
  6418. 1350
  6419. 01:14:48,184 --> 01:14:49,350
  6420. I do.
  6421.  
  6422. 1351
  6423. 01:14:49,352 --> 01:14:51,452
  6424. I'll beat the shit out of you.
  6425. Sorry to bother you.
  6426.  
  6427. 1352
  6428. 01:14:51,454 --> 01:14:54,294
  6429. You leave me alone. You leave my brother alone.
  6430. You hear me? Goddamn it.
  6431.  
  6432. 1353
  6433. 01:15:02,698 --> 01:15:05,366
  6434. Hi there. I'm looking
  6435. for Ronald Paquin.
  6436.  
  6437. 1354
  6438. 01:15:05,368 --> 01:15:07,034
  6439. Yes?
  6440.  
  6441. 1355
  6442. 01:15:07,036 --> 01:15:09,770
  6443. You're father Paquin?
  6444. Yes. That's right.
  6445.  
  6446. 1356
  6447. 01:15:10,839 --> 01:15:13,541
  6448. I'm Sacha Pfeiffer
  6449. from the<i> Boston Globe. I...</i>
  6450.  
  6451. 1357
  6452. 01:15:13,543 --> 01:15:15,376
  6453. okay. Could I ask you
  6454. a few questions?
  6455.  
  6456. 1358
  6457. 01:15:15,378 --> 01:15:17,812
  6458. Go ahead, dear.
  6459.  
  6460. 1359
  6461. 01:15:17,814 --> 01:15:20,014
  6462. We spoke to several men
  6463. who knew you when they were boys
  6464.  
  6465. 1360
  6466. 01:15:20,016 --> 01:15:22,316
  6467. at St. John the baptist
  6468. in Haverhill.
  6469.  
  6470. 1361
  6471. 01:15:22,318 --> 01:15:25,920
  6472. Did... they told us you molested them.
  6473. Is that true?
  6474.  
  6475. 1362
  6476. 01:15:27,456 --> 01:15:30,458
  6477. Mmm, sure,
  6478. I fooled around.
  6479.  
  6480. 1363
  6481. 01:15:30,460 --> 01:15:32,360
  6482. But I never
  6483. felt gratified myself.
  6484.  
  6485. 1364
  6486. 01:15:33,729 --> 01:15:35,229
  6487. Right. Um...
  6488.  
  6489. 1365
  6490. 01:15:35,231 --> 01:15:38,966
  6491. but you admit to molesting boys
  6492. at St. John the baptist?
  6493.  
  6494. 1366
  6495. 01:15:38,968 --> 01:15:43,070
  6496. Yes, yes, but as I said,
  6497. I never got any pleasure from it.
  6498.  
  6499. 1367
  6500. 01:15:43,072 --> 01:15:45,373
  6501. That's important
  6502. to understand.
  6503.  
  6504. 1368
  6505. 01:15:45,375 --> 01:15:46,908
  6506. Right.
  6507.  
  6508. 1369
  6509. 01:15:46,910 --> 01:15:48,843
  6510. Um, but can you tell me
  6511.  
  6512. 1370
  6513. 01:15:48,845 --> 01:15:51,212
  6514. where and how you
  6515. fooled around with these boys?
  6516.  
  6517. 1371
  6518. 01:15:53,148 --> 01:15:56,717
  6519. I want to be clear.
  6520. I never raped anyone.
  6521.  
  6522. 1372
  6523. 01:15:57,653 --> 01:15:59,921
  6524. There's a difference.
  6525. I should know.
  6526.  
  6527. 1373
  6528. 01:15:59,923 --> 01:16:02,990
  6529. - How would you know?
  6530. - I<i> was</i> raped.
  6531.  
  6532. 1374
  6533. 01:16:05,561 --> 01:16:07,895
  6534. I'm sorry. Who raped you?
  6535.  
  6536. 1375
  6537. 01:16:07,897 --> 01:16:09,664
  6538. Ronny, who are you talking to?
  6539. It's okay, Jane.
  6540.  
  6541. 1376
  6542. 01:16:09,666 --> 01:16:11,165
  6543. Father Paquin, who raped you?
  6544. Who are you?
  6545.  
  6546. 1377
  6547. 01:16:11,167 --> 01:16:13,401
  6548. Uh, Sacha Pfeiffer,
  6549. from the<i> Globe.</i>
  6550.  
  6551. 1378
  6552. 01:16:13,403 --> 01:16:15,736
  6553. Please get off my porch.
  6554. I can speak for myself.
  6555.  
  6556. 1379
  6557. 01:16:15,738 --> 01:16:17,672
  6558. Get inside the house, Ron.
  6559. Mr...
  6560.  
  6561. 1380
  6562. 01:16:17,674 --> 01:16:19,607
  6563. get inside, Ron.
  6564. Okay.
  6565.  
  6566. 1381
  6567. 01:16:19,609 --> 01:16:21,943
  6568. I'm sorry. Who are you?
  6569. I'm his sister.
  6570.  
  6571. 1382
  6572. 01:16:21,945 --> 01:16:24,845
  6573. - And I don't want you coming back here.
  6574. - Miss Paquin...
  6575.  
  6576. 1383
  6577. 01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:33,788
  6578. beat you to the end
  6579. of the street.
  6580.  
  6581. 1384
  6582. 01:16:33,790 --> 01:16:35,790
  6583. - No, you won't.
  6584. - I beat you last time.
  6585.  
  6586. 1385
  6587. 01:16:35,792 --> 01:16:38,859
  6588. Boy #1 no, you didn't. You cheated.
  6589. You did.
  6590.  
  6591. 1386
  6592. 01:16:44,399 --> 01:16:48,569
  6593. Could you please clarify the<i> Globe's</i>
  6594. position for me, Mr. Albano?
  6595.  
  6596. 1387
  6597. 01:16:48,571 --> 01:16:50,371
  6598. Yes, Judge Sweeney.
  6599.  
  6600. 1388
  6601. 01:16:54,109 --> 01:16:56,911
  6602. Our argument to make
  6603. these documents public
  6604.  
  6605. 1389
  6606. 01:16:56,913 --> 01:16:59,313
  6607. rests mainly
  6608. on first amendment grounds.
  6609.  
  6610. 1390
  6611. 01:16:59,315 --> 01:17:02,416
  6612. We also have a number of other
  6613. relevant arguments.
  6614.  
  6615. 1391
  6616. 01:17:02,418 --> 01:17:04,986
  6617. After all, your honor,
  6618. this was a discretionary order.
  6619.  
  6620. 1392
  6621. 01:17:04,988 --> 01:17:07,755
  6622. Yes. It was made
  6623. at the judge's discretion.
  6624.  
  6625. 1393
  6626. 01:17:07,757 --> 01:17:09,323
  6627. Hey, Mike.
  6628.  
  6629. 1394
  6630. 01:17:10,092 --> 01:17:11,325
  6631. Hey, Joe.
  6632.  
  6633. 1395
  6634. 01:17:11,327 --> 01:17:13,961
  6635. What's a Spotlight reporter
  6636. doing in Springfield?
  6637.  
  6638. 1396
  6639. 01:17:15,964 --> 01:17:18,633
  6640. Your boy Albano's
  6641. sledding uphill.
  6642.  
  6643. 1397
  6644. 01:17:18,635 --> 01:17:20,835
  6645. You actually think you have a shot
  6646. at winning this thing?
  6647.  
  6648. 1398
  6649. 01:17:20,837 --> 01:17:22,903
  6650. You want me
  6651. to comment for the<i> Herald?</i>
  6652.  
  6653. 1399
  6654. 01:17:24,773 --> 01:17:27,775
  6655. <i>"Globe</i> reporter
  6656. would not comment,
  6657.  
  6658. 1400
  6659. 01:17:27,777 --> 01:17:30,478
  6660. but he did not
  6661. seem hopeful."
  6662.  
  6663. 1401
  6664. 01:17:31,647 --> 01:17:33,781
  6665. He didn't try
  6666. and hide it at all.
  6667.  
  6668. 1402
  6669. 01:17:33,783 --> 01:17:36,684
  6670. He had this really
  6671. odd rationalization for it,
  6672.  
  6673. 1403
  6674. 01:17:36,686 --> 01:17:40,354
  6675. like it was totally normal
  6676. to fool around with little boys.
  6677.  
  6678. 1404
  6679. 01:17:40,356 --> 01:17:43,290
  6680. I'd really like to go back.
  6681. I think he'd talk to us.
  6682.  
  6683. 1405
  6684. 01:17:43,292 --> 01:17:45,359
  6685. Oh, we will.
  6686.  
  6687. 1406
  6688. 01:17:45,361 --> 01:17:47,028
  6689. Just not yet.
  6690.  
  6691. 1407
  6692. 01:17:47,030 --> 01:17:49,530
  6693. I want you to stay focused
  6694. on the victims right now.
  6695.  
  6696. 1408
  6697. 01:17:49,532 --> 01:17:51,999
  6698. Sacha, where'd they send
  6699. father Talbot again?
  6700.  
  6701. 1409
  6702. 01:17:52,001 --> 01:17:54,268
  6703. Um, I think...
  6704. wasn't that Cheverus?
  6705.  
  6706. 1410
  6707. 01:17:54,270 --> 01:17:56,370
  6708. Cheverus.
  6709. That's right. Wait.
  6710.  
  6711. 1411
  6712. 01:17:56,372 --> 01:17:58,372
  6713. Father Talbot from BC High?
  6714.  
  6715. 1412
  6716. 01:17:58,374 --> 01:18:00,641
  6717. Yeah.
  6718. You know him?
  6719.  
  6720. 1413
  6721. 01:18:00,643 --> 01:18:03,310
  6722. Yeah. He was there
  6723. when I was.
  6724.  
  6725. 1414
  6726. 01:18:03,312 --> 01:18:06,781
  6727. We have a victim?
  6728. Yeah. Lives in Providence.
  6729.  
  6730. 1415
  6731. 01:18:10,285 --> 01:18:13,187
  6732. There's nothing personal
  6733. in these documents, your honor.
  6734.  
  6735. 1416
  6736. 01:18:13,189 --> 01:18:14,889
  6737. They concern
  6738. how the Cardinal is handling...
  6739.  
  6740. 1417
  6741. 01:18:14,891 --> 01:18:17,358
  6742. say "The Archdiocese."
  6743.  
  6744. 1418
  6745. 01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:18,826
  6746. Excuse me?
  6747.  
  6748. 1419
  6749. 01:18:18,828 --> 01:18:22,063
  6750. You don't get to tag
  6751. the Cardinal with everything, Mr. Albano.
  6752.  
  6753. 1420
  6754. 01:18:22,065 --> 01:18:24,532
  6755. Say "The Archdiocese."
  6756.  
  6757. 1421
  6758. 01:18:24,534 --> 01:18:28,069
  6759. Judge Sweeney, the<i> Globe</i> is not a party to
  6760. this case. They just want to sell papers.
  6761.  
  6762. 1422
  6763. 01:18:28,071 --> 01:18:31,572
  6764. If Mr. Garabedian had not smeared
  6765. the Cardinal's good name,
  6766.  
  6767. 1423
  6768. 01:18:31,574 --> 01:18:33,140
  6769. we wouldn't
  6770. even be here.
  6771.  
  6772. 1424
  6773. 01:18:33,142 --> 01:18:35,910
  6774. Your honor, I object to the use
  6775. of the word "smear."
  6776.  
  6777. 1425
  6778. 01:18:35,912 --> 01:18:38,646
  6779. - Duly noted, Mr. Garabedian.
  6780. - Thank you, your honor.
  6781.  
  6782. 1426
  6783. 01:18:38,648 --> 01:18:40,981
  6784. - Anything else, Mr. Rogers?
  6785. - No, your honor.
  6786.  
  6787. 1427
  6788. 01:18:40,983 --> 01:18:42,750
  6789. Mr. Albano,
  6790. you may continue.
  6791.  
  6792. 1428
  6793. 01:18:42,752 --> 01:18:44,251
  6794. The<i> Globe</i>
  6795. believes having...
  6796.  
  6797. 1429
  6798. 01:18:46,589 --> 01:18:48,823
  6799. hey, Mitch, how you doing?
  6800.  
  6801. 1430
  6802. 01:18:48,825 --> 01:18:50,891
  6803. I'm fine.
  6804.  
  6805. 1431
  6806. 01:18:50,893 --> 01:18:53,761
  6807. He's tough,
  6808. that Wilson Rogers.
  6809.  
  6810. 1432
  6811. 01:18:53,763 --> 01:18:56,831
  6812. He's smug.
  6813. And he's sloppy.
  6814.  
  6815. 1433
  6816. 01:18:56,833 --> 01:18:59,266
  6817. He doesn't seem sloppy.
  6818.  
  6819. 1434
  6820. 01:18:59,268 --> 01:19:02,403
  6821. You don't know the half of it.
  6822. Trust me.
  6823.  
  6824. 1435
  6825. 01:19:02,405 --> 01:19:04,004
  6826. What's the half of it?
  6827.  
  6828. 1436
  6829. 01:19:06,074 --> 01:19:08,342
  6830. Tell me the half of it,
  6831. Mitch.
  6832.  
  6833. 1437
  6834. 01:19:09,444 --> 01:19:12,012
  6835. Off the record?
  6836. Off the record, yeah.
  6837.  
  6838. 1438
  6839. 01:19:15,283 --> 01:19:17,885
  6840. Three years ago,
  6841. I get a call from an ex-Priest.
  6842.  
  6843. 1439
  6844. 01:19:17,887 --> 01:19:19,286
  6845. Anthony Benzevich.
  6846.  
  6847. 1440
  6848. 01:19:19,288 --> 01:19:21,689
  6849. He was at blessed sacrament
  6850. back in '62,
  6851.  
  6852. 1441
  6853. 01:19:21,691 --> 01:19:23,424
  6854. and he saw Geoghan...
  6855.  
  6856. 1442
  6857. 01:19:25,127 --> 01:19:27,428
  6858. Taking little boys up to
  6859. the rectory bedroom, okay?
  6860.  
  6861. 1443
  6862. 01:19:27,430 --> 01:19:31,298
  6863. So he's appalled, all right?
  6864. Tells the bishop about it.
  6865.  
  6866. 1444
  6867. 01:19:31,300 --> 01:19:35,136
  6868. And the bishop threatens
  6869. to reassign him to South America.
  6870.  
  6871. 1445
  6872. 01:19:35,138 --> 01:19:36,804
  6873. Jesus.
  6874. Yeah, all right.
  6875.  
  6876. 1446
  6877. 01:19:36,806 --> 01:19:39,140
  6878. So fast-forward 35 years,
  6879. Benzevich reads
  6880.  
  6881. 1447
  6882. 01:19:39,142 --> 01:19:42,243
  6883. that Geoghan has been charged
  6884. with molesting hundreds of kids.
  6885.  
  6886. 1448
  6887. 01:19:42,245 --> 01:19:44,311
  6888. All right? So he feels guilty.
  6889. He calls me.
  6890.  
  6891. 1449
  6892. 01:19:44,313 --> 01:19:46,547
  6893. So you have testimony
  6894. of a Priest
  6895.  
  6896. 1450
  6897. 01:19:46,549 --> 01:19:48,983
  6898. telling his superiors
  6899. about Geoghan in '62?
  6900.  
  6901. 1451
  6902. 01:19:48,985 --> 01:19:51,252
  6903. No, I do not.
  6904.  
  6905. 1452
  6906. 01:19:51,254 --> 01:19:53,888
  6907. Because when I called
  6908. Benzevich in to give a deposition,
  6909.  
  6910. 1453
  6911. 01:19:53,890 --> 01:19:55,990
  6912. he comes in
  6913. with a lawyer.
  6914.  
  6915. 1454
  6916. 01:19:55,992 --> 01:19:58,125
  6917. Wilson Rogers.
  6918. Right.
  6919.  
  6920. 1455
  6921. 01:19:58,127 --> 01:20:00,795
  6922. And suddenly father Benzevich
  6923. has a very foggy memory.
  6924.  
  6925. 1456
  6926. 01:20:00,797 --> 01:20:02,997
  6927. Can't remember anything.
  6928. He's useless.
  6929.  
  6930. 1457
  6931. 01:20:02,999 --> 01:20:06,066
  6932. So I go back to work.
  6933. I forget about it. Whatever.
  6934.  
  6935. 1458
  6936. 01:20:06,068 --> 01:20:08,135
  6937. Until about a year ago,
  6938. I find an article
  6939.  
  6940. 1459
  6941. 01:20:08,137 --> 01:20:11,272
  6942. about a Priest who warned
  6943. church officials about Geoghan.
  6944.  
  6945. 1460
  6946. 01:20:11,274 --> 01:20:13,641
  6947. Benzevich went to the press?
  6948. Yeah.
  6949.  
  6950. 1461
  6951. 01:20:13,643 --> 01:20:16,443
  6952. Yeah. Local paper, <i>Patriot Ledger.</i>
  6953. Nobody saw it.
  6954.  
  6955. 1462
  6956. 01:20:16,445 --> 01:20:18,345
  6957. But now I got Benzevich
  6958. on record.
  6959.  
  6960. 1463
  6961. 01:20:18,347 --> 01:20:22,449
  6962. So I file a motion to depose Benzevich
  6963. a second time. All right?
  6964.  
  6965. 1464
  6966. 01:20:22,451 --> 01:20:25,486
  6967. And Wilson Rogers,
  6968. that smug son of a bitch,
  6969.  
  6970. 1465
  6971. 01:20:25,488 --> 01:20:28,689
  6972. he files a motion
  6973. opposing my motion.
  6974.  
  6975. 1466
  6976. 01:20:28,691 --> 01:20:30,324
  6977. And that's when I have him.
  6978.  
  6979. 1467
  6980. 01:20:31,459 --> 01:20:32,827
  6981. Have... have him how?
  6982.  
  6983. 1468
  6984. 01:20:32,829 --> 01:20:36,430
  6985. Rogers opposes my motion,
  6986. so I have to make an argument
  6987.  
  6988. 1469
  6989. 01:20:36,432 --> 01:20:39,500
  6990. as to why I'm allowed to depose
  6991. father Benzevich a second time, okay?
  6992.  
  6993. 1470
  6994. 01:20:39,502 --> 01:20:42,703
  6995. But this time,
  6996. I'm allowed to attach exhibits.
  6997.  
  6998. 1471
  6999. 01:20:42,705 --> 01:20:44,305
  7000. Do you follow
  7001. what I'm saying?
  7002.  
  7003. 1472
  7004. 01:20:44,307 --> 01:20:45,873
  7005. The sealed documents?
  7006. Yes.
  7007.  
  7008. 1473
  7009. 01:20:45,875 --> 01:20:48,108
  7010. I can attach
  7011. the sealed documents
  7012.  
  7013. 1474
  7014. 01:20:48,110 --> 01:20:50,377
  7015. that I've gotten in discovery,
  7016. Mr. Rezendes,
  7017.  
  7018. 1475
  7019. 01:20:50,379 --> 01:20:54,048
  7020. the same documents that your paper
  7021. is currently suing for.
  7022.  
  7023. 1476
  7024. 01:20:54,050 --> 01:20:55,482
  7025. You're shitting me.
  7026.  
  7027. 1477
  7028. 01:20:55,484 --> 01:20:57,785
  7029. What? No.
  7030. No, I'm not shitting you.
  7031.  
  7032. 1478
  7033. 01:20:57,787 --> 01:21:00,221
  7034. So I pull out
  7035. the 14 most damning docs
  7036.  
  7037. 1479
  7038. 01:21:00,223 --> 01:21:02,056
  7039. and I attach them
  7040. to my motion.
  7041.  
  7042. 1480
  7043. 01:21:02,058 --> 01:21:04,058
  7044. And they prove everything.
  7045. Everything.
  7046.  
  7047. 1481
  7048. 01:21:04,060 --> 01:21:06,627
  7049. About the church,
  7050. about the bishops, about law.
  7051.  
  7052. 1482
  7053. 01:21:06,629 --> 01:21:08,395
  7054. And it's all public?
  7055.  
  7056. 1483
  7057. 01:21:08,397 --> 01:21:10,664
  7058. Because your motion
  7059. to oppose Roger's motion...
  7060.  
  7061. 1484
  7062. 01:21:10,666 --> 01:21:11,632
  7063. is public.
  7064.  
  7065. 1485
  7066. 01:21:11,634 --> 01:21:14,568
  7067. Yeah. Exactly.
  7068. Now you're paying attention.
  7069.  
  7070. 1486
  7071. 01:21:14,570 --> 01:21:17,571
  7072. So I could just walk into that courthouse
  7073. right now and get those documents?
  7074.  
  7075. 1487
  7076. 01:21:17,573 --> 01:21:21,342
  7077. No, you cannot, because the documents
  7078. are not there.
  7079.  
  7080. 1488
  7081. 01:21:21,344 --> 01:21:23,244
  7082. But you just said
  7083. they're public.
  7084.  
  7085. 1489
  7086. 01:21:23,246 --> 01:21:26,413
  7087. I know I did.
  7088. But this is Boston.
  7089.  
  7090. 1490
  7091. 01:21:26,415 --> 01:21:29,083
  7092. And the church
  7093. does not want them to be found.
  7094.  
  7095. 1491
  7096. 01:21:29,085 --> 01:21:32,086
  7097. So they are not there.
  7098.  
  7099. 1492
  7100. 01:21:33,421 --> 01:21:36,357
  7101. Mitch, are you telling me
  7102. that the catholic church
  7103.  
  7104. 1493
  7105. 01:21:36,359 --> 01:21:38,592
  7106. removed legal documents
  7107. from that courthouse?
  7108.  
  7109. 1494
  7110. 01:21:38,594 --> 01:21:42,029
  7111. Look, I'm not crazy.
  7112. I'm not paranoid.
  7113.  
  7114. 1495
  7115. 01:21:42,031 --> 01:21:43,764
  7116. I'm experienced.
  7117.  
  7118. 1496
  7119. 01:21:43,766 --> 01:21:46,600
  7120. Check the docket.
  7121. You'll see.
  7122.  
  7123. 1497
  7124. 01:21:46,602 --> 01:21:48,335
  7125. They control everything.
  7126.  
  7127. 1498
  7128. 01:21:50,872 --> 01:21:52,573
  7129. Everything.
  7130.  
  7131. 1499
  7132. 01:21:54,109 --> 01:21:56,277
  7133. I gotta go back in.
  7134.  
  7135. 1500
  7136. 01:21:59,447 --> 01:22:02,082
  7137. I just got
  7138. the fucking documents.
  7139.  
  7140. 1501
  7141. 01:22:16,598 --> 01:22:19,466
  7142. Docket entry number 49,
  7143. in the Geoghan case.
  7144.  
  7145. 1502
  7146. 01:22:19,468 --> 01:22:21,635
  7147. Okay, thanks.
  7148. We close in 10 minutes.
  7149.  
  7150. 1503
  7151. 01:22:21,637 --> 01:22:23,170
  7152. Ten minutes? All right.
  7153.  
  7154. 1504
  7155. 01:23:00,108 --> 01:23:01,775
  7156. Robby.
  7157. <i>Hey, it's me.</i>
  7158.  
  7159. 1505
  7160. 01:23:01,777 --> 01:23:03,344
  7161. Hey.
  7162. <i>You're not gonna believe it.</i>
  7163.  
  7164. 1506
  7165. 01:23:03,346 --> 01:23:05,412
  7166. Garabedian gave me a tip.
  7167.  
  7168. 1507
  7169. 01:23:05,414 --> 01:23:09,016
  7170. Some of the sealed docs are already public.
  7171. They're part of a motion he filed.
  7172.  
  7173. 1508
  7174. 01:23:09,018 --> 01:23:10,517
  7175. <i>He said they're
  7176. the best of the bunch.</i>
  7177.  
  7178. 1509
  7179. 01:23:10,519 --> 01:23:12,519
  7180. <i>We don't have to wait
  7181. for Sweeney's ruling.</i>
  7182.  
  7183. 1510
  7184. 01:23:12,521 --> 01:23:15,089
  7185. So we can get them?
  7186. <i>Yeah, but they're not there.</i>
  7187.  
  7188. 1511
  7189. 01:23:15,091 --> 01:23:18,425
  7190. Already talked to Albano.
  7191. He said all we have to do is file a motion,
  7192.  
  7193. 1512
  7194. 01:23:18,427 --> 01:23:20,995
  7195. and Sweeney will order Mitch
  7196. to refile the docs.
  7197.  
  7198. 1513
  7199. 01:23:20,997 --> 01:23:22,763
  7200. And you think
  7201. these documents are...
  7202.  
  7203. 1514
  7204. 01:23:22,765 --> 01:23:25,699
  7205. <i>he said these 14 docs are all we need.
  7206. They're huge.</i>
  7207.  
  7208. 1515
  7209. 01:23:25,701 --> 01:23:27,368
  7210. Okay.
  7211.  
  7212. 1516
  7213. 01:23:27,370 --> 01:23:30,237
  7214. I'll call Ben. Good work.
  7215.  
  7216. 1517
  7217. 01:23:46,121 --> 01:23:48,122
  7218. <i>Is this purely an accident</i>
  7219.  
  7220. 1518
  7221. 01:23:48,124 --> 01:23:49,857
  7222. <i>or could this have been
  7223. an intentional act?</i>
  7224.  
  7225. 1519
  7226. 01:23:49,859 --> 01:23:53,560
  7227. <i>Either way, extensive damage
  7228. has been done to this building.</i>
  7229.  
  7230. 1520
  7231. 01:23:55,563 --> 01:23:57,164
  7232. What happened?
  7233.  
  7234. 1521
  7235. 01:23:57,166 --> 01:24:00,734
  7236. They're saying it's a prop plane,
  7237. but that's not a prop plane.
  7238.  
  7239. 1522
  7240. 01:24:04,572 --> 01:24:07,641
  7241. Tell Linda to get every reporter
  7242. we have in here now.
  7243.  
  7244. 1523
  7245. 01:24:08,977 --> 01:24:10,744
  7246. <i>You pray for the victims.</i>
  7247.  
  7248. 1524
  7249. 01:24:11,546 --> 01:24:13,747
  7250. <i>You pray for the injured.</i>
  7251.  
  7252. 1525
  7253. 01:24:13,749 --> 01:24:16,817
  7254. <i>And you pray
  7255. for those who survived.</i>
  7256.  
  7257. 1526
  7258. 01:24:17,886 --> 01:24:20,888
  7259. <i>You pray, too, for the nation.</i>
  7260.  
  7261. 1527
  7262. 01:24:22,023 --> 01:24:24,425
  7263. <i>That our response to this</i>
  7264.  
  7265. 1528
  7266. 01:24:24,427 --> 01:24:29,363
  7267. <i>might reflect
  7268. the best ideals of our nation.</i>
  7269.  
  7270. 1529
  7271. 01:24:29,365 --> 01:24:32,766
  7272. <i>And even more,
  7273. reflect God's own teaching,</i>
  7274.  
  7275. 1530
  7276. 01:24:32,768 --> 01:24:37,104
  7277. <i>not only as it's shown
  7278. in Christianity and Judaism</i>
  7279.  
  7280. 1531
  7281. 01:24:37,106 --> 01:24:39,373
  7282. <i>but in Islam as well.</i>
  7283.  
  7284. 1532
  7285. 01:24:39,375 --> 01:24:42,109
  7286. Not bad.
  7287. Who's there? Paulson.
  7288.  
  7289. 1533
  7290. 01:24:42,111 --> 01:24:44,111
  7291. I wanna talk to him
  7292. when he's back.
  7293.  
  7294. 1534
  7295. 01:24:44,113 --> 01:24:45,913
  7296. Did Rezendes find a way
  7297. to get to Florida yet?
  7298.  
  7299. 1535
  7300. 01:24:45,915 --> 01:24:49,183
  7301. They just opened the airport in Providence.
  7302. He's on his way there now.
  7303.  
  7304. 1536
  7305. 01:24:49,185 --> 01:24:51,251
  7306. Ben, I'm gonna need
  7307. more people on massport.
  7308.  
  7309. 1537
  7310. 01:24:51,253 --> 01:24:52,886
  7311. I'll give you
  7312. three of my guys.
  7313.  
  7314. 1538
  7315. 01:24:52,888 --> 01:24:54,922
  7316. Robby, put your team on that too.
  7317. Got it.
  7318.  
  7319. 1539
  7320. 01:24:54,924 --> 01:24:57,925
  7321. - And, Robby, everything else stops.
  7322. - Understood.
  7323.  
  7324. 1540
  7325. 01:24:57,927 --> 01:24:59,426
  7326. Why is Mike
  7327. going to Florida?
  7328.  
  7329. 1541
  7330. 01:24:59,428 --> 01:25:01,962
  7331. Flight school.
  7332. It's where they learned to fly.
  7333.  
  7334. 1542
  7335. 01:25:01,964 --> 01:25:05,032
  7336. Robby, I've got a lot of victim interviews
  7337. set up this week.
  7338.  
  7339. 1543
  7340. 01:25:05,034 --> 01:25:06,533
  7341. You're gonna
  7342. have to cancel 'em.
  7343.  
  7344. 1544
  7345. 01:25:06,535 --> 01:25:08,802
  7346. That's gonna be hard.
  7347. I know. This is nuts.
  7348.  
  7349. 1545
  7350. 01:25:08,804 --> 01:25:12,039
  7351. Two days ago I told my wife we gotta be
  7352. working the biggest story on the planet.
  7353.  
  7354. 1546
  7355. 01:25:12,041 --> 01:25:13,474
  7356. <i>Boston Globe.</i>
  7357.  
  7358. 1547
  7359. 01:25:13,476 --> 01:25:15,642
  7360. <i>Boston Globe.</i>
  7361. One Moment, please.
  7362.  
  7363. 1548
  7364. 01:25:15,644 --> 01:25:17,711
  7365. Yes, if you have a tip,
  7366. I will transfer you down to Metro.
  7367.  
  7368. 1549
  7369. 01:25:17,713 --> 01:25:20,747
  7370. Mitchell Garabedian.
  7371.  
  7372. 1550
  7373. 01:25:20,749 --> 01:25:22,649
  7374. <i>Mitch, it's Mike.
  7375. I've been trying to reach you.</i>
  7376.  
  7377. 1551
  7378. 01:25:22,651 --> 01:25:24,451
  7379. I don't have time to talk
  7380. to you, Mr. Rezendes.
  7381.  
  7382. 1552
  7383. 01:25:24,453 --> 01:25:27,154
  7384. Hey, just quickly.
  7385. Did you refile those docs yet?
  7386.  
  7387. 1553
  7388. 01:25:27,156 --> 01:25:29,256
  7389. <i>No. I just got the order.
  7390. It takes time.</i>
  7391.  
  7392. 1554
  7393. 01:25:29,258 --> 01:25:31,658
  7394. Okay, great. Can you hold off
  7395. on refiling them? <i>Hold off?</i>
  7396.  
  7397. 1555
  7398. 01:25:31,660 --> 01:25:34,328
  7399. I have to go to Florida.
  7400. Once you refile they're public.
  7401.  
  7402. 1556
  7403. 01:25:34,330 --> 01:25:36,330
  7404. Other newspapers will be able
  7405. to get a hold of 'em.
  7406.  
  7407. 1557
  7408. 01:25:36,332 --> 01:25:38,398
  7409. <i>Other newspapers
  7410. are not my concern.</i>
  7411.  
  7412. 1558
  7413. 01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:40,334
  7414. <i>I received a judicial order.</i>
  7415.  
  7416. 1559
  7417. 01:25:40,336 --> 01:25:42,336
  7418. <i>I told you the church
  7419. is watching me.</i>
  7420.  
  7421. 1560
  7422. 01:25:42,338 --> 01:25:45,305
  7423. Hey, Mitch, please.
  7424. All I need is a few more weeks.
  7425.  
  7426. 1561
  7427. 01:25:46,307 --> 01:25:48,475
  7428. <i>I can't make any promises.
  7429. Good-bye.</i>
  7430.  
  7431. 1562
  7432. 01:25:48,477 --> 01:25:51,245
  7433. Mitch! Mitch! Shit!
  7434.  
  7435. 1563
  7436. 01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:53,981
  7437. Shit.
  7438.  
  7439. 1564
  7440. 01:26:02,323 --> 01:26:04,024
  7441. <i>Look, I get it.</i>
  7442.  
  7443. 1565
  7444. 01:26:04,026 --> 01:26:07,194
  7445. No one wants to read about kids
  7446. getting raped by Priests, especially now.
  7447.  
  7448. 1566
  7449. 01:26:07,196 --> 01:26:08,762
  7450. But you asked
  7451. a lot of people
  7452.  
  7453. 1567
  7454. 01:26:08,764 --> 01:26:11,532
  7455. to relive some very painful experiences,
  7456. and you just disappear.
  7457.  
  7458. 1568
  7459. 01:26:11,534 --> 01:26:13,433
  7460. Phil, you know why
  7461. we were taken off of this story.
  7462.  
  7463. 1569
  7464. 01:26:13,435 --> 01:26:14,868
  7465. It's been six weeks
  7466. since 9/11.
  7467.  
  7468. 1570
  7469. 01:26:14,870 --> 01:26:17,204
  7470. I realize that,
  7471. and we're gonna get back to it.
  7472.  
  7473. 1571
  7474. 01:26:17,206 --> 01:26:18,705
  7475. When?
  7476.  
  7477. 1572
  7478. 01:26:20,041 --> 01:26:22,509
  7479. You're doing the same thing
  7480. you guys did last time. No.
  7481.  
  7482. 1573
  7483. 01:26:22,511 --> 01:26:23,877
  7484. You're dropping us.
  7485. No.
  7486.  
  7487. 1574
  7488. 01:26:23,879 --> 01:26:26,713
  7489. Maybe I should tell
  7490. the<i> Herald</i> that story.
  7491.  
  7492. 1575
  7493. 01:26:26,715 --> 01:26:29,550
  7494. Okay, Phil,
  7495. you go ahead and do that.
  7496.  
  7497. 1576
  7498. 01:26:29,552 --> 01:26:32,853
  7499. It'll undo all the work we've done,
  7500. but I can't stop you.
  7501.  
  7502. 1577
  7503. 01:26:34,822 --> 01:26:38,859
  7504. Listen to me.
  7505. I am here because I care.
  7506.  
  7507. 1578
  7508. 01:26:40,228 --> 01:26:42,462
  7509. We're not going away.
  7510.  
  7511. 1579
  7512. 01:26:42,464 --> 01:26:44,831
  7513. We're gonna tell this story.
  7514. We're gonna tell it right.
  7515.  
  7516. 1580
  7517. 01:26:44,833 --> 01:26:47,568
  7518. We just need a little more time.
  7519. That's all we're asking for.
  7520.  
  7521. 1581
  7522. 01:26:50,471 --> 01:26:52,573
  7523. Why bother asking?
  7524.  
  7525. 1582
  7526. 01:26:53,541 --> 01:26:56,410
  7527. You're gonna do
  7528. what you want anyway.
  7529.  
  7530. 1583
  7531. 01:26:56,412 --> 01:26:58,245
  7532. You always do.
  7533.  
  7534. 1584
  7535. 01:26:58,247 --> 01:26:59,813
  7536. Phil.
  7537.  
  7538. 1585
  7539. 01:27:00,715 --> 01:27:02,249
  7540. Phil!
  7541.  
  7542. 1586
  7543. 01:27:07,855 --> 01:27:10,591
  7544. Hey.
  7545. <i>How's south beach?</i>
  7546.  
  7547. 1587
  7548. 01:27:10,593 --> 01:27:13,360
  7549. Boynton beach.
  7550. Remarkably different place.
  7551.  
  7552. 1588
  7553. 01:27:13,362 --> 01:27:14,928
  7554. What's up?
  7555.  
  7556. 1589
  7557. 01:27:14,930 --> 01:27:17,097
  7558. <i>Mitch Garabedian
  7559. called me today.</i>
  7560.  
  7561. 1590
  7562. 01:27:17,099 --> 01:27:19,700
  7563. Why'd he call you?
  7564. <i>'Cause he knew you'd yell at him.</i>
  7565.  
  7566. 1591
  7567. 01:27:19,702 --> 01:27:22,603
  7568. <i>He refiled the docs.</i>
  7569. What?
  7570.  
  7571. 1592
  7572. 01:27:22,605 --> 01:27:24,438
  7573. Robby, those docs
  7574. are public now.
  7575.  
  7576. 1593
  7577. 01:27:24,440 --> 01:27:27,407
  7578. <i>We gotta get there before anyone else does.</i>
  7579. I know. I know. I know.
  7580.  
  7581. 1594
  7582. 01:27:27,409 --> 01:27:30,510
  7583. Just wrap up whatever you're doing
  7584. and get the first flight out.
  7585.  
  7586. 1595
  7587. 01:27:30,512 --> 01:27:32,713
  7588. <i>I'll book a flight now and go straight
  7589. to the courthouse tomorrow.</i>
  7590.  
  7591. 1596
  7592. 01:27:32,715 --> 01:27:34,781
  7593. All right. Call me when you get in.
  7594. <i>Okay.</i>
  7595.  
  7596. 1597
  7597. 01:27:36,718 --> 01:27:39,853
  7598. Robby, I'd like to let Phil Saviano know
  7599. that we're back on it.
  7600.  
  7601. 1598
  7602. 01:27:39,855 --> 01:27:41,622
  7603. Good idea.
  7604.  
  7605. 1599
  7606. 01:27:41,624 --> 01:27:44,891
  7607. Go have dinner with Hansi.
  7608. Might be the last time for a while.
  7609.  
  7610. 1600
  7611. 01:27:44,893 --> 01:27:46,493
  7612. Mm-hmm.
  7613.  
  7614. 1601
  7615. 01:27:50,565 --> 01:27:52,933
  7616. Robby,
  7617. after we saw Macleish,
  7618.  
  7619. 1602
  7620. 01:27:52,935 --> 01:27:54,968
  7621. I started going back
  7622. through the clips.
  7623.  
  7624. 1603
  7625. 01:27:54,970 --> 01:27:57,137
  7626. And I had a little time
  7627. last week finally.
  7628.  
  7629. 1604
  7630. 01:27:57,139 --> 01:28:00,007
  7631. So, um, I found that.
  7632.  
  7633. 1605
  7634. 01:28:01,142 --> 01:28:02,876
  7635. It's from '93.
  7636.  
  7637. 1606
  7638. 01:28:13,221 --> 01:28:14,821
  7639. That it?
  7640.  
  7641. 1607
  7642. 01:28:16,324 --> 01:28:18,792
  7643. Yeah.
  7644. Yeah, that's... that's it.
  7645.  
  7646. 1608
  7647. 01:28:20,895 --> 01:28:21,962
  7648. Good night.
  7649.  
  7650. 1609
  7651. 01:28:23,131 --> 01:28:24,898
  7652. Okay. Good night.
  7653.  
  7654. 1610
  7655. 01:29:03,171 --> 01:29:04,538
  7656. Hello.
  7657.  
  7658. 1611
  7659. 01:29:04,540 --> 01:29:06,673
  7660. So, I was probably
  7661. a few years after you, right?
  7662.  
  7663. 1612
  7664. 01:29:06,675 --> 01:29:09,376
  7665. No, you were more than a few.
  7666.  
  7667. 1613
  7668. 01:29:09,378 --> 01:29:10,977
  7669. Believe me.
  7670.  
  7671. 1614
  7672. 01:29:10,979 --> 01:29:13,647
  7673. Well, after BC High,
  7674. I came down to Providence
  7675.  
  7676. 1615
  7677. 01:29:13,649 --> 01:29:15,549
  7678. and played hockey
  7679. for the Friars.
  7680.  
  7681. 1616
  7682. 01:29:15,551 --> 01:29:18,552
  7683. Oh, well, you must
  7684. have been pretty good.
  7685.  
  7686. 1617
  7687. 01:29:18,554 --> 01:29:21,154
  7688. No. Rode the bench
  7689. in college. Yeah.
  7690.  
  7691. 1618
  7692. 01:29:21,156 --> 01:29:22,689
  7693. But I loved the city.
  7694.  
  7695. 1619
  7696. 01:29:22,691 --> 01:29:24,858
  7697. Uh-huh. And we just had
  7698. our third kid.
  7699.  
  7700. 1620
  7701. 01:29:24,860 --> 01:29:27,294
  7702. And I still get my<i> Globe,</i>
  7703. for the record.
  7704.  
  7705. 1621
  7706. 01:29:27,296 --> 01:29:30,564
  7707. Ah, that's good to know.
  7708. Good to know.
  7709.  
  7710. 1622
  7711. 01:29:30,566 --> 01:29:35,535
  7712. Look, Kevin, uh,
  7713. that's actually why I'm here.
  7714.  
  7715. 1623
  7716. 01:29:35,537 --> 01:29:37,838
  7717. Yeah?
  7718. I...
  7719.  
  7720. 1624
  7721. 01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:40,607
  7722. I need to ask you some questions
  7723. about father Talbot.
  7724.  
  7725. 1625
  7726. 01:29:47,415 --> 01:29:49,583
  7727. How'd you find out?
  7728.  
  7729. 1626
  7730. 01:29:50,418 --> 01:29:52,719
  7731. Well...
  7732. um...
  7733.  
  7734. 1627
  7735. 01:29:52,721 --> 01:29:54,821
  7736. I guess
  7737. it doesn't matter.
  7738.  
  7739. 1628
  7740. 01:29:58,359 --> 01:30:02,829
  7741. Hell, I never even
  7742. told my wife.
  7743.  
  7744. 1629
  7745. 01:30:04,999 --> 01:30:06,566
  7746. Excuse me.
  7747.  
  7748. 1630
  7749. 01:30:10,938 --> 01:30:13,206
  7750. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
  7751. I need to get in there.
  7752.  
  7753. 1631
  7754. 01:30:13,208 --> 01:30:14,875
  7755. We're closed. Come on. Let me in.
  7756. Five minutes.
  7757.  
  7758. 1632
  7759. 01:30:14,877 --> 01:30:18,512
  7760. - I'm sorry. We're closed.
  7761. - Come on. Five minutes.
  7762.  
  7763. 1633
  7764. 01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:34,995
  7765. Here. There.
  7766.  
  7767. 1634
  7768. 01:30:37,465 --> 01:30:39,933
  7769. This is the Geoghan case?
  7770. That's right.
  7771.  
  7772. 1635
  7773. 01:30:39,935 --> 01:30:42,869
  7774. - Those records are sealed.
  7775. - No. That's a public motion.
  7776.  
  7777. 1636
  7778. 01:30:42,871 --> 01:30:44,704
  7779. Those records are public.
  7780.  
  7781. 1637
  7782. 01:30:44,706 --> 01:30:47,941
  7783. - Look, I work for the<i> Globe.</i>
  7784. - Good for you.
  7785.  
  7786. 1638
  7787. 01:30:49,644 --> 01:30:53,213
  7788. Can I talk to your supervisor?
  7789. He's not in today.
  7790.  
  7791. 1639
  7792. 01:30:53,215 --> 01:30:57,083
  7793. What about a judge? There must be judges
  7794. that work on this kind of thing.
  7795.  
  7796. 1640
  7797. 01:30:57,085 --> 01:30:58,885
  7798. Sixth floor.
  7799.  
  7800. 1641
  7801. 01:31:05,092 --> 01:31:08,829
  7802. We understand the nature
  7803. of the allegations against father Talbot.
  7804.  
  7805. 1642
  7806. 01:31:08,831 --> 01:31:12,966
  7807. I'm just not sure what you want
  7808. from President Kemeza.
  7809.  
  7810. 1643
  7811. 01:31:12,968 --> 01:31:15,168
  7812. Talbot taught here
  7813. long before Bill took over.
  7814.  
  7815. 1644
  7816. 01:31:15,170 --> 01:31:16,736
  7817. Mmm. Of course.
  7818.  
  7819. 1645
  7820. 01:31:16,738 --> 01:31:18,839
  7821. We just want to know
  7822. if it's possible
  7823.  
  7824. 1646
  7825. 01:31:18,841 --> 01:31:20,907
  7826. that the president,
  7827. the faculty, the board,
  7828.  
  7829. 1647
  7830. 01:31:20,909 --> 01:31:22,809
  7831. that no one knew
  7832. what was going on at the time.
  7833.  
  7834. 1648
  7835. 01:31:22,811 --> 01:31:24,978
  7836. I graduated in 1979,
  7837.  
  7838. 1649
  7839. 01:31:24,980 --> 01:31:27,080
  7840. and I had no idea
  7841. about any of this.
  7842.  
  7843. 1650
  7844. 01:31:27,082 --> 01:31:29,115
  7845. So if you're suggesting
  7846. that father Gibbons
  7847.  
  7848. 1651
  7849. 01:31:29,117 --> 01:31:31,351
  7850. and father Callahan
  7851. had in any way...
  7852.  
  7853. 1652
  7854. 01:31:31,353 --> 01:31:32,953
  7855. Gibbons and Callahan.
  7856.  
  7857. 1653
  7858. 01:31:32,955 --> 01:31:35,522
  7859. I mean, they ran this place
  7860. like the Navy.
  7861.  
  7862. 1654
  7863. 01:31:35,524 --> 01:31:37,157
  7864. You really think
  7865. they didn't know?
  7866.  
  7867. 1655
  7868. 01:31:37,159 --> 01:31:41,094
  7869. It's a big school, Robby.
  7870. You know that.
  7871.  
  7872. 1656
  7873. 01:31:41,096 --> 01:31:45,332
  7874. And then we're talking about seven
  7875. alleged victims over, what, eight years?
  7876.  
  7877. 1657
  7878. 01:31:45,334 --> 01:31:48,835
  7879. No, we're talking about,
  7880. you know, seven that we know about.
  7881.  
  7882. 1658
  7883. 01:31:48,837 --> 01:31:51,037
  7884. This is ridiculous.
  7885.  
  7886. 1659
  7887. 01:31:51,039 --> 01:31:53,373
  7888. You're reaching for a story here...
  7889. Jack. Jack.
  7890.  
  7891. 1660
  7892. 01:31:53,375 --> 01:31:57,711
  7893. Jack. If I had been president then,
  7894. I would've known.
  7895.  
  7896. 1661
  7897. 01:31:57,713 --> 01:32:00,313
  7898. Bill, I'm not sure
  7899. that's relevant.
  7900.  
  7901. 1662
  7902. 01:32:00,315 --> 01:32:03,650
  7903. Why do you think
  7904. they sent Talbot up to Cheverus?
  7905.  
  7906. 1663
  7907. 01:32:03,652 --> 01:32:06,119
  7908. You know they wanted him
  7909. out of town.
  7910.  
  7911. 1664
  7912. 01:32:07,221 --> 01:32:08,855
  7913. Robby,
  7914.  
  7915. 1665
  7916. 01:32:08,857 --> 01:32:11,157
  7917. as well intentioned
  7918. as Bill's remarks are,
  7919.  
  7920. 1666
  7921. 01:32:11,159 --> 01:32:14,761
  7922. I'm hoping we can keep this between
  7923. us until we all get on the same page.
  7924.  
  7925. 1667
  7926. 01:32:18,065 --> 01:32:21,067
  7927. Is that why we're here,
  7928. to get on the same page?
  7929.  
  7930. 1668
  7931. 01:32:21,069 --> 01:32:24,237
  7932. No, we're here because you're an
  7933. important alumnus, Robby, and a friend.
  7934.  
  7935. 1669
  7936. 01:32:24,239 --> 01:32:28,375
  7937. Exactly. And we know you care about
  7938. this school as much as we do.
  7939.  
  7940. 1670
  7941. 01:32:29,744 --> 01:32:31,578
  7942. Did you play a sport here, Jack?
  7943.  
  7944. 1671
  7945. 01:32:31,580 --> 01:32:34,214
  7946. Yeah. Football. Why?
  7947.  
  7948. 1672
  7949. 01:32:34,216 --> 01:32:35,982
  7950. Mmm. I ran track.
  7951.  
  7952. 1673
  7953. 01:32:35,984 --> 01:32:38,084
  7954. You know,
  7955. I went to Providence yesterday
  7956.  
  7957. 1674
  7958. 01:32:38,086 --> 01:32:40,387
  7959. to talk to one
  7960. of father Talbot's victims.
  7961.  
  7962. 1675
  7963. 01:32:40,389 --> 01:32:44,391
  7964. He played hockey here.
  7965. And he's one of the better ones.
  7966.  
  7967. 1676
  7968. 01:32:44,393 --> 01:32:47,994
  7969. He's got a wife, kids, good job.
  7970.  
  7971. 1677
  7972. 01:32:49,196 --> 01:32:52,666
  7973. About 10 minutes
  7974. into the conversation,
  7975.  
  7976. 1678
  7977. 01:32:52,668 --> 01:32:54,167
  7978. the guy breaks down.
  7979.  
  7980. 1679
  7981. 01:32:54,169 --> 01:32:56,403
  7982. You know,
  7983. couldn't stop crying.
  7984.  
  7985. 1680
  7986. 01:32:58,205 --> 01:33:01,841
  7987. Said he could never figure out
  7988. why father Talbot picked him.
  7989.  
  7990. 1681
  7991. 01:33:03,711 --> 01:33:06,446
  7992. Father Talbot
  7993. coached the hockey team.
  7994.  
  7995. 1682
  7996. 01:33:08,249 --> 01:33:09,950
  7997. So...
  7998.  
  7999. 1683
  8000. 01:33:10,785 --> 01:33:13,453
  8001. I guess we just got lucky.
  8002.  
  8003. 1684
  8004. 01:33:13,455 --> 01:33:15,155
  8005. You and me.
  8006.  
  8007. 1685
  8008. 01:33:21,596 --> 01:33:25,065
  8009. Does Jack Dunn work for the school?
  8010. No, he's PR for Boston college.
  8011.  
  8012. 1686
  8013. 01:33:25,067 --> 01:33:27,067
  8014. They call him
  8015. when they need help.
  8016.  
  8017. 1687
  8018. 01:33:27,069 --> 01:33:29,135
  8019. And Pete Conley,
  8020. why was he there?
  8021.  
  8022. 1688
  8023. 01:33:29,137 --> 01:33:31,271
  8024. Good question.
  8025. Pete's a big alum.
  8026.  
  8027. 1689
  8028. 01:33:31,273 --> 01:33:33,974
  8029. But I called Bill directly
  8030. and I asked for a sit-down.
  8031.  
  8032. 1690
  8033. 01:33:33,976 --> 01:33:36,109
  8034. I never mentioned
  8035. anybody else.
  8036.  
  8037. 1691
  8038. 01:33:37,211 --> 01:33:39,713
  8039. It's like everybody
  8040. already knows the story.
  8041.  
  8042. 1692
  8043. 01:33:39,715 --> 01:33:43,183
  8044. Yeah. Except us.
  8045. And we work right there.
  8046.  
  8047. 1693
  8048. 01:33:46,722 --> 01:33:48,455
  8049. Judge Volterra?
  8050. Yes?
  8051.  
  8052. 1694
  8053. 01:33:48,457 --> 01:33:50,790
  8054. Hi. I'm Mike Rezendes
  8055. from the<i> Boston Globe.</i>
  8056.  
  8057. 1695
  8058. 01:33:50,792 --> 01:33:54,494
  8059. I'm having some trouble accessing some
  8060. public records down in the records room.
  8061.  
  8062. 1696
  8063. 01:33:54,496 --> 01:33:57,263
  8064. I was wondering
  8065. if I could have a word with you?
  8066.  
  8067. 1697
  8068. 01:33:57,265 --> 01:33:59,199
  8069. All right.
  8070. Thank you.
  8071.  
  8072. 1698
  8073. 01:34:00,935 --> 01:34:02,469
  8074. Thank you very much.
  8075.  
  8076. 1699
  8077. 01:34:04,105 --> 01:34:08,475
  8078. These exhibits you're after,
  8079. Mr. Rezendes,
  8080.  
  8081. 1700
  8082. 01:34:08,477 --> 01:34:11,011
  8083. they're very sensitive records.
  8084.  
  8085. 1701
  8086. 01:34:11,013 --> 01:34:14,014
  8087. With all due respect, your honor,
  8088. that's not the question.
  8089.  
  8090. 1702
  8091. 01:34:14,016 --> 01:34:15,749
  8092. The records are public.
  8093.  
  8094. 1703
  8095. 01:34:16,851 --> 01:34:19,285
  8096. Maybe so, but tell me,
  8097.  
  8098. 1704
  8099. 01:34:19,287 --> 01:34:21,354
  8100. where's the editorial
  8101. responsibility
  8102.  
  8103. 1705
  8104. 01:34:21,356 --> 01:34:23,523
  8105. in publishing records
  8106. of this nature?
  8107.  
  8108. 1706
  8109. 01:34:23,525 --> 01:34:27,360
  8110. Well, where's the editorial responsibility
  8111. in<i> not</i> publishing them?
  8112.  
  8113. 1707
  8114. 01:34:37,838 --> 01:34:40,306
  8115. You can't take those.
  8116. You need to make copies.
  8117.  
  8118. 1708
  8119. 01:34:40,308 --> 01:34:43,443
  8120. I'm going to the copy room.
  8121. It closed at 4:00.
  8122.  
  8123. 1709
  8124. 01:34:47,882 --> 01:34:49,949
  8125. Look, I'll give you...
  8126.  
  8127. 1710
  8128. 01:34:51,886 --> 01:34:54,387
  8129. 83 bucks
  8130. to use yours.
  8131.  
  8132. 1711
  8133. 01:34:59,794 --> 01:35:02,228
  8134. Hey! Cabbie!
  8135.  
  8136. 1712
  8137. 01:35:02,230 --> 01:35:05,532
  8138. Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey!
  8139. Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey!
  8140.  
  8141. 1713
  8142. 01:35:08,035 --> 01:35:10,837
  8143. Take me to the<i> Boston Globe</i>
  8144. on Morrissey Boulevard.
  8145.  
  8146. 1714
  8147. 01:35:10,839 --> 01:35:14,274
  8148. Don't take 93.
  8149. Take Dorchester Avenue.
  8150.  
  8151. 1715
  8152. 01:35:15,743 --> 01:35:17,844
  8153. <i>Robby, it's incredible.</i>
  8154.  
  8155. 1716
  8156. 01:35:17,846 --> 01:35:20,547
  8157. <i>Law knew about Geoghan
  8158. for years, no question.</i>
  8159.  
  8160. 1717
  8161. 01:35:20,549 --> 01:35:23,750
  8162. <i>There's a letter to law
  8163. from a woman, Margaret Gallant,</i>
  8164.  
  8165. 1718
  8166. 01:35:23,752 --> 01:35:26,753
  8167. <i>who lived in Jamaica plain
  8168. in the early '80 when Geoghan was there.</i>
  8169.  
  8170. 1719
  8171. 01:35:26,755 --> 01:35:28,254
  8172. <i>Listen to this.</i>
  8173.  
  8174. 1720
  8175. 01:35:28,256 --> 01:35:30,423
  8176. <i>"Our family is rooted
  8177. in the church."</i>
  8178.  
  8179. 1721
  8180. 01:35:30,425 --> 01:35:33,159
  8181. <i>Our desire is to protect
  8182. the Holy orders</i>
  8183.  
  8184. 1722
  8185. 01:35:33,161 --> 01:35:35,528
  8186. <i>even in the midst of our agony</i>
  8187.  
  8188. 1723
  8189. 01:35:35,530 --> 01:35:38,865
  8190. <i>"over the seven boys
  8191. in our family who have been violated."</i>
  8192.  
  8193. 1724
  8194. 01:35:38,867 --> 01:35:41,334
  8195. <i>Seven, Robby. Seven boys.</i>
  8196.  
  8197. 1725
  8198. 01:35:41,336 --> 01:35:44,437
  8199. <i>"It was suggested
  8200. we keep silent."</i>
  8201.  
  8202. 1726
  8203. 01:35:44,439 --> 01:35:47,941
  8204. <i>We did not question the authority of
  8205. the church two years ago.</i>
  8206.  
  8207. 1727
  8208. 01:35:47,943 --> 01:35:50,944
  8209. <i>"But since father Geoghan
  8210. is still in his parish... "</i>
  8211.  
  8212. 1728
  8213. 01:35:50,946 --> 01:35:54,681
  8214. <i>but she sent it to law
  8215. and law did shit.</i>
  8216.  
  8217. 1729
  8218. 01:35:54,683 --> 01:35:58,251
  8219. <i>Here's another one to law,
  8220. same year. Listen to this.</i>
  8221.  
  8222. 1730
  8223. 01:35:58,253 --> 01:36:00,920
  8224. <i>"A word on the recent assignment
  8225. of father Geoghan..."</i>
  8226.  
  8227. 1731
  8228. 01:36:00,922 --> 01:36:04,023
  8229. <i>As an associate
  8230. at St. Julia's in Weston.</i>
  8231.  
  8232. 1732
  8233. 01:36:04,025 --> 01:36:07,961
  8234. <i>Father Geoghan has a history
  8235. of homosexual involvement with young boys.</i>
  8236.  
  8237. 1733
  8238. 01:36:07,963 --> 01:36:10,597
  8239. <i>I understand his recent departure
  8240. from St. Brendan's</i>
  8241.  
  8242. 1734
  8243. 01:36:10,599 --> 01:36:12,599
  8244. <i>may be related
  8245. to this problem.</i>
  8246.  
  8247. 1735
  8248. 01:36:12,601 --> 01:36:15,902
  8249. I wonder if father Geoghan
  8250. should not be reduced to just weekend work
  8251.  
  8252. 1736
  8253. 01:36:15,904 --> 01:36:17,804
  8254. while receiving
  8255. some kind of therapy.
  8256.  
  8257. 1737
  8258. 01:36:17,806 --> 01:36:20,807
  8259. You know how grateful I am to you
  8260. for your constant concern.
  8261.  
  8262. 1738
  8263. 01:36:20,809 --> 01:36:22,542
  8264. Sincerely yours
  8265. in our lord,
  8266.  
  8267. 1739
  8268. 01:36:22,544 --> 01:36:26,312
  8269. most reverend John M D'Arcy,
  8270. auxiliary bishop of Boston.
  8271.  
  8272. 1740
  8273. 01:36:26,314 --> 01:36:27,947
  8274. "December 7, 1984."
  8275.  
  8276. 1741
  8277. 01:36:27,949 --> 01:36:29,616
  8278. An auxiliary bishop
  8279. wrote that?
  8280.  
  8281. 1742
  8282. 01:36:29,618 --> 01:36:31,284
  8283. That's incredible.
  8284.  
  8285. 1743
  8286. 01:36:31,286 --> 01:36:34,254
  8287. He broke ranks.
  8288. I mean, when did Gallant write her letter?
  8289.  
  8290. 1744
  8291. 01:36:34,256 --> 01:36:36,422
  8292. 1984.
  8293. And law just ignored it.
  8294.  
  8295. 1745
  8296. 01:36:36,424 --> 01:36:38,725
  8297. How do you ignore
  8298. that freakin' letter?
  8299.  
  8300. 1746
  8301. 01:36:38,727 --> 01:36:40,326
  8302. We got 'em.
  8303.  
  8304. 1747
  8305. 01:36:40,328 --> 01:36:43,263
  8306. You can't read these letters
  8307. and think anything else. It's proof.
  8308.  
  8309. 1748
  8310. 01:36:43,265 --> 01:36:45,632
  8311. Yeah, it is.
  8312.  
  8313. 1749
  8314. 01:36:45,634 --> 01:36:47,934
  8315. This is good work.
  8316.  
  8317. 1750
  8318. 01:36:47,936 --> 01:36:50,069
  8319. Should we take it
  8320. up to Ben?
  8321.  
  8322. 1751
  8323. 01:36:50,071 --> 01:36:53,072
  8324. Uh, no. Not yet.
  8325.  
  8326. 1752
  8327. 01:36:53,074 --> 01:36:56,676
  8328. Why not?
  8329. We got law. This is it.
  8330.  
  8331. 1753
  8332. 01:36:56,678 --> 01:37:00,413
  8333. No, this is law covering for one Priest.
  8334. There's another 90 out there.
  8335.  
  8336. 1754
  8337. 01:37:00,415 --> 01:37:03,783
  8338. Yeah, we'll print that story when
  8339. we get it, but we gotta go with this now.
  8340.  
  8341. 1755
  8342. 01:37:03,785 --> 01:37:07,187
  8343. I'm not gonna rush this story, Mike.
  8344. We don't have a choice, Robby.
  8345.  
  8346. 1756
  8347. 01:37:07,189 --> 01:37:09,355
  8348. If we don't rush to print,
  8349.  
  8350. 1757
  8351. 01:37:09,357 --> 01:37:11,791
  8352. somebody else is going to find
  8353. these letters and butcher the story.
  8354.  
  8355. 1758
  8356. 01:37:11,793 --> 01:37:14,761
  8357. Joe Quimby from the<i> Herald</i>
  8358. was at the freaking courthouse.
  8359.  
  8360. 1759
  8361. 01:37:14,763 --> 01:37:18,298
  8362. So we'll write a holding story
  8363. and we'll keep our eye on the<i> Herald.</i>
  8364.  
  8365. 1760
  8366. 01:37:18,300 --> 01:37:20,200
  8367. Keep our eye
  8368. on the<i> Herald?</i>
  8369.  
  8370. 1761
  8371. 01:37:20,202 --> 01:37:22,202
  8372. They run this and get it wrong,
  8373. the church will bury it.
  8374.  
  8375. 1762
  8376. 01:37:22,204 --> 01:37:24,003
  8377. - We gotta do this now.
  8378. - Mike, Mike.
  8379.  
  8380. 1763
  8381. 01:37:24,005 --> 01:37:26,339
  8382. What? Why are we hesitating?
  8383.  
  8384. 1764
  8385. 01:37:26,341 --> 01:37:28,708
  8386. Baron told us to get law.
  8387. This is law.
  8388.  
  8389. 1765
  8390. 01:37:28,710 --> 01:37:30,710
  8391. Baron told us
  8392. to get the system.
  8393.  
  8394. 1766
  8395. 01:37:30,712 --> 01:37:34,380
  8396. We need the full scope. That's the only
  8397. thing that will put an end to this.
  8398.  
  8399. 1767
  8400. 01:37:34,382 --> 01:37:36,349
  8401. Then let's take it to Ben,
  8402. let him decide.
  8403.  
  8404. 1768
  8405. 01:37:36,351 --> 01:37:38,218
  8406. We'll take it to Ben
  8407. when I say it's time.
  8408.  
  8409. 1769
  8410. 01:37:38,220 --> 01:37:42,222
  8411. It's time, Robby! It's time!
  8412.  
  8413. 1770
  8414. 01:37:42,224 --> 01:37:46,226
  8415. They knew and they
  8416. let it happen. To kids!
  8417.  
  8418. 1771
  8419. 01:37:46,228 --> 01:37:49,229
  8420. Okay? It could've been you.
  8421. It could've been me.
  8422.  
  8423. 1772
  8424. 01:37:49,231 --> 01:37:51,731
  8425. It could've been any of us.
  8426.  
  8427. 1773
  8428. 01:37:51,733 --> 01:37:53,566
  8429. We gotta nail these scumbags.
  8430.  
  8431. 1774
  8432. 01:37:53,568 --> 01:37:56,703
  8433. We gotta show people that nobody
  8434. can get away with this.
  8435.  
  8436. 1775
  8437. 01:37:56,705 --> 01:38:00,406
  8438. Not a Priest or a Cardinal
  8439. or a freaking Pope!
  8440.  
  8441. 1776
  8442. 01:38:02,910 --> 01:38:04,911
  8443. You finished?
  8444.  
  8445. 1777
  8446. 01:38:04,913 --> 01:38:08,214
  8447. Yeah, I am.
  8448. This is bullshit.
  8449.  
  8450. 1778
  8451. 01:38:36,845 --> 01:38:38,678
  8452. You okay?
  8453.  
  8454. 1779
  8455. 01:38:41,181 --> 01:38:43,616
  8456. Mmm.
  8457.  
  8458. 1780
  8459. 01:38:48,789 --> 01:38:50,256
  8460. Hey, Hansi.
  8461.  
  8462. 1781
  8463. 01:38:51,125 --> 01:38:53,359
  8464. Hard day at work, Mike?
  8465.  
  8466. 1782
  8467. 01:38:57,631 --> 01:38:59,565
  8468. Here.
  8469. Thank you.
  8470.  
  8471. 1783
  8472. 01:38:59,567 --> 01:39:02,402
  8473. I-I-I-I don't know
  8474. why I got so pissed off.
  8475.  
  8476. 1784
  8477. 01:39:02,404 --> 01:39:04,070
  8478. You know,
  8479. I think Robby's wrong.
  8480.  
  8481. 1785
  8482. 01:39:04,072 --> 01:39:08,041
  8483. You know, you're just...
  8484. you care about the story, Mike. We all do.
  8485.  
  8486. 1786
  8487. 01:39:09,777 --> 01:39:12,478
  8488. Yeah, I guess.
  8489. Hmm.
  8490.  
  8491. 1787
  8492. 01:39:14,648 --> 01:39:17,383
  8493. I stopped going to church
  8494. with my Nana.
  8495.  
  8496. 1788
  8497. 01:39:18,819 --> 01:39:20,820
  8498. It was...
  8499. it was too hard. I...
  8500.  
  8501. 1789
  8502. 01:39:20,822 --> 01:39:22,989
  8503. you know,
  8504. I'd be sitting there,
  8505.  
  8506. 1790
  8507. 01:39:22,991 --> 01:39:26,292
  8508. and I would start thinking about
  8509. Joe Crowley or someone else,
  8510.  
  8511. 1791
  8512. 01:39:26,294 --> 01:39:29,996
  8513. and I just...
  8514. I just got so angry.
  8515.  
  8516. 1792
  8517. 01:39:29,998 --> 01:39:32,565
  8518. Did you...
  8519. did you tell her why?
  8520.  
  8521. 1793
  8522. 01:39:34,001 --> 01:39:36,202
  8523. She goes to church
  8524. three times a week, Mike.
  8525.  
  8526. 1794
  8527. 01:39:41,076 --> 01:39:43,343
  8528. It really pisses me off.
  8529.  
  8530. 1795
  8531. 01:39:44,678 --> 01:39:47,513
  8532. You know,
  8533.  
  8534. 1796
  8535. 01:39:47,515 --> 01:39:51,017
  8536. I actually really liked
  8537. going to church when I was a little kid.
  8538.  
  8539. 1797
  8540. 01:39:51,019 --> 01:39:52,852
  8541. Mmm.
  8542.  
  8543. 1798
  8544. 01:39:52,854 --> 01:39:55,822
  8545. Why'd you stop?
  8546. Typical shit.
  8547.  
  8548. 1799
  8549. 01:39:57,291 --> 01:39:59,425
  8550. But the weird thing is is...
  8551.  
  8552. 1800
  8553. 01:40:02,529 --> 01:40:05,198
  8554. I think i...
  8555.  
  8556. 1801
  8557. 01:40:05,200 --> 01:40:08,267
  8558. I think I figured that
  8559. maybe one day I w... I w...
  8560.  
  8561. 1802
  8562. 01:40:08,269 --> 01:40:12,438
  8563. I would actually go back.
  8564.  
  8565. 1803
  8566. 01:40:13,474 --> 01:40:15,608
  8567. I was really...
  8568. I was holding on to that.
  8569.  
  8570. 1804
  8571. 01:40:15,610 --> 01:40:17,176
  8572. Mm-hmm.
  8573.  
  8574. 1805
  8575. 01:40:18,379 --> 01:40:21,948
  8576. I read those letters,
  8577. and it...
  8578.  
  8579. 1806
  8580. 01:40:21,950 --> 01:40:26,219
  8581. and something just... cracked.
  8582.  
  8583. 1807
  8584. 01:40:27,121 --> 01:40:29,389
  8585. It's a shitty feeling.
  8586. Yeah.
  8587.  
  8588. 1808
  8589. 01:40:30,724 --> 01:40:32,725
  8590. It's a shitty feeling.
  8591.  
  8592. 1809
  8593. 01:40:36,330 --> 01:40:38,698
  8594. Looks like a long day.
  8595. Hey, Pete.
  8596.  
  8597. 1810
  8598. 01:40:38,700 --> 01:40:40,967
  8599. I'm sorry to make it longer.
  8600.  
  8601. 1811
  8602. 01:40:40,969 --> 01:40:42,201
  8603. Brian.
  8604.  
  8605. 1812
  8606. 01:40:43,370 --> 01:40:45,738
  8607. Has anyone ever said no
  8608. to a drink with you, Pete?
  8609.  
  8610. 1813
  8611. 01:40:45,740 --> 01:40:48,207
  8612. Well, sure.
  8613.  
  8614. 1814
  8615. 01:40:48,209 --> 01:40:50,743
  8616. But the trick
  8617. is to keep asking.
  8618.  
  8619. 1815
  8620. 01:40:50,745 --> 01:40:52,812
  8621. For Boston.
  8622. Boston.
  8623.  
  8624. 1816
  8625. 01:40:53,847 --> 01:40:55,648
  8626. Mmm.
  8627.  
  8628. 1817
  8629. 01:40:55,650 --> 01:40:58,985
  8630. So, um, you here
  8631. for the Cardinal?
  8632.  
  8633. 1818
  8634. 01:40:58,987 --> 01:41:00,586
  8635. Oh, no, no, no, no.
  8636.  
  8637. 1819
  8638. 01:41:00,588 --> 01:41:04,390
  8639. I wouldn't... I wouldn't presume
  8640. to speak for the Cardinal, no.
  8641.  
  8642. 1820
  8643. 01:41:05,759 --> 01:41:09,562
  8644. You know, you got a lot of people here
  8645. who respect you, Robby.
  8646.  
  8647. 1821
  8648. 01:41:09,564 --> 01:41:12,165
  8649. Oh, well...
  8650. the work you do.
  8651.  
  8652. 1822
  8653. 01:41:12,167 --> 01:41:15,668
  8654. That's good to know.
  8655. It's 'cause you care about this place.
  8656.  
  8657. 1823
  8658. 01:41:15,670 --> 01:41:18,838
  8659. It's why you do what you do.
  8660. It's who you are.
  8661.  
  8662. 1824
  8663. 01:41:18,840 --> 01:41:24,210
  8664. You know, but people need the church,
  8665. more than ever right now.
  8666.  
  8667. 1825
  8668. 01:41:24,212 --> 01:41:26,412
  8669. You know, you can feel it.
  8670.  
  8671. 1826
  8672. 01:41:26,414 --> 01:41:28,514
  8673. And the Cardinal, uh...
  8674.  
  8675. 1827
  8676. 01:41:29,616 --> 01:41:33,052
  8677. you know, the Cardinal,
  8678. he might not be perfect.
  8679.  
  8680. 1828
  8681. 01:41:33,054 --> 01:41:36,456
  8682. But we can't throw out all the good
  8683. e's doing over a few bad apples.
  8684.  
  8685. 1829
  8686. 01:41:38,225 --> 01:41:42,295
  8687. Now, you know, I'm bringing this up to
  8688. you because I know this is Baron's idea.
  8689.  
  8690. 1830
  8691. 01:41:42,297 --> 01:41:44,063
  8692. His agenda.
  8693.  
  8694. 1831
  8695. 01:41:44,065 --> 01:41:45,965
  8696. I gotta tell ya,
  8697. I mean, honest to God,
  8698.  
  8699. 1832
  8700. 01:41:45,967 --> 01:41:49,302
  8701. I mean, he doesn't care
  8702. about the city the way we do.
  8703.  
  8704. 1833
  8705. 01:41:49,304 --> 01:41:51,504
  8706. I mean, how could he?
  8707.  
  8708. 1834
  8709. 01:41:57,478 --> 01:41:59,612
  8710. This is how it happens,
  8711. isn't it, Pete?
  8712.  
  8713. 1835
  8714. 01:41:59,614 --> 01:42:00,980
  8715. What's that?
  8716.  
  8717. 1836
  8718. 01:42:00,982 --> 01:42:02,782
  8719. A guy leans on a guy,
  8720.  
  8721. 1837
  8722. 01:42:02,784 --> 01:42:06,452
  8723. and suddenly the whole town
  8724. just looks the other way.
  8725.  
  8726. 1838
  8727. 01:42:07,988 --> 01:42:11,390
  8728. Robby. Robby. Lookit.
  8729.  
  8730. 1839
  8731. 01:42:12,493 --> 01:42:15,595
  8732. Marty Baron is just trying
  8733. to make his mark.
  8734.  
  8735. 1840
  8736. 01:42:15,597 --> 01:42:18,264
  8737. He's gonna be here for a couple
  8738. of years and he's gonna move on.
  8739.  
  8740. 1841
  8741. 01:42:18,266 --> 01:42:21,234
  8742. Just like he did
  8743. in New York and Miami.
  8744.  
  8745. 1842
  8746. 01:42:22,503 --> 01:42:24,570
  8747. Where are you gonna go?
  8748.  
  8749. 1843
  8750. 01:42:26,173 --> 01:42:27,807
  8751. Hmm?
  8752.  
  8753. 1844
  8754. 01:42:29,309 --> 01:42:31,911
  8755. Good night, Robby. Brian.
  8756.  
  8757. 1845
  8758. 01:42:33,013 --> 01:42:35,615
  8759. Hey, uh, Pete.
  8760. Yeah?
  8761.  
  8762. 1846
  8763. 01:42:35,617 --> 01:42:39,418
  8764. Uh, when we do run the story,
  8765.  
  8766. 1847
  8767. 01:42:39,420 --> 01:42:41,988
  8768. uh, I'm gonna need a comment
  8769. from the Cardinal.
  8770.  
  8771. 1848
  8772. 01:42:44,191 --> 01:42:46,859
  8773. We'll talk again later.
  8774. Good night, Robby.
  8775.  
  8776. 1849
  8777. 01:42:46,861 --> 01:42:48,828
  8778. Night, Pete.
  8779.  
  8780. 1850
  8781. 01:42:58,539 --> 01:43:00,039
  8782. Robby.
  8783.  
  8784. 1851
  8785. 01:43:01,508 --> 01:43:03,209
  8786. What?
  8787.  
  8788. 1852
  8789. 01:43:03,211 --> 01:43:05,578
  8790. No shit. When?
  8791.  
  8792. 1853
  8793. 01:43:07,381 --> 01:43:09,782
  8794. Okay. Yeah.
  8795.  
  8796. 1854
  8797. 01:43:12,653 --> 01:43:14,887
  8798. Hey.
  8799.  
  8800. 1855
  8801. 01:43:14,889 --> 01:43:16,455
  8802. What's up?
  8803.  
  8804. 1856
  8805. 01:43:17,491 --> 01:43:19,625
  8806. Sweeney ruled
  8807. in our favor.
  8808.  
  8809. 1857
  8810. 01:43:19,627 --> 01:43:21,861
  8811. She ruled
  8812. to unseal the documents.
  8813.  
  8814. 1858
  8815. 01:43:23,363 --> 01:43:25,765
  8816. Geez.
  8817. Huh.
  8818.  
  8819. 1859
  8820. 01:43:27,834 --> 01:43:30,069
  8821. The church has already
  8822. filed an appeal.
  8823.  
  8824. 1860
  8825. 01:43:30,071 --> 01:43:33,239
  8826. But the trial court ruling
  8827. is generally upheld in these matters.
  8828.  
  8829. 1861
  8830. 01:43:33,241 --> 01:43:35,708
  8831. And when would we get
  8832. the documents?
  8833.  
  8834. 1862
  8835. 01:43:35,710 --> 01:43:38,644
  8836. Probably takes Cohen
  8837. a few weeks to rule.
  8838.  
  8839. 1863
  8840. 01:43:38,646 --> 01:43:40,746
  8841. Then there's
  8842. a redaction process.
  8843.  
  8844. 1864
  8845. 01:43:40,748 --> 01:43:44,817
  8846. Uh, I'd say they'd be
  8847. made public mid-January.
  8848.  
  8849. 1865
  8850. 01:43:44,819 --> 01:43:46,252
  8851. Okay.
  8852. All right.
  8853.  
  8854. 1866
  8855. 01:43:46,254 --> 01:43:47,420
  8856. Thanks, John.
  8857. You bet.
  8858.  
  8859. 1867
  8860. 01:43:47,422 --> 01:43:48,688
  8861. Nice work.
  8862. Thanks.
  8863.  
  8864. 1868
  8865. 01:43:48,690 --> 01:43:51,257
  8866. Metro should
  8867. run something, Marty.
  8868.  
  8869. 1869
  8870. 01:43:51,259 --> 01:43:52,925
  8871. We can't
  8872. run this one big.
  8873.  
  8874. 1870
  8875. 01:43:52,927 --> 01:43:56,562
  8876. Why wouldn't we?
  8877. It's a major first amendment victory.
  8878.  
  8879. 1871
  8880. 01:43:56,564 --> 01:44:00,266
  8881. Not to mention, you get an Irish Catholic
  8882. judge ruling against the church?
  8883.  
  8884. 1872
  8885. 01:44:00,268 --> 01:44:02,768
  8886. That's a hell of a precedent.
  8887. Mm-hmm.
  8888.  
  8889. 1873
  8890. 01:44:02,770 --> 01:44:05,104
  8891. We don't want the<i> Herald</i>
  8892. going deep on this.
  8893.  
  8894. 1874
  8895. 01:44:05,106 --> 01:44:06,973
  8896. Why's that?
  8897.  
  8898. 1875
  8899. 01:44:08,775 --> 01:44:11,110
  8900. You're gonna have
  8901. to step out, Peter.
  8902.  
  8903. 1876
  8904. 01:44:11,112 --> 01:44:12,812
  8905. I'm not stepping out.
  8906.  
  8907. 1877
  8908. 01:44:21,054 --> 01:44:22,088
  8909. Peter.
  8910.  
  8911. 1878
  8912. 01:44:36,771 --> 01:44:38,938
  8913. When did you, uh...
  8914. a couple of weeks ago.
  8915.  
  8916. 1879
  8917. 01:44:38,940 --> 01:44:40,640
  8918. A couple of weeks?
  8919.  
  8920. 1880
  8921. 01:44:40,642 --> 01:44:42,308
  8922. - Yeah.
  8923. - And you're telling us now?
  8924.  
  8925. 1881
  8926. 01:44:42,310 --> 01:44:44,977
  8927. These are substantial.
  8928.  
  8929. 1882
  8930. 01:44:44,979 --> 01:44:47,413
  8931. They clearly show
  8932. that law was negligent.
  8933.  
  8934. 1883
  8935. 01:44:47,415 --> 01:44:49,248
  8936. I need more time.
  8937.  
  8938. 1884
  8939. 01:44:49,250 --> 01:44:51,317
  8940. - I wanna keep digging.
  8941. - For what?
  8942.  
  8943. 1885
  8944. 01:44:51,319 --> 01:44:53,653
  8945. This is the goddamn story.
  8946. It's not the whole story.
  8947.  
  8948. 1886
  8949. 01:44:53,655 --> 01:44:55,454
  8950. Tough shit.
  8951. We're on a clock now.
  8952.  
  8953. 1887
  8954. 01:44:55,456 --> 01:44:57,223
  8955. Even if we don't run
  8956. Sweeney's ruling,
  8957.  
  8958. 1888
  8959. 01:44:57,225 --> 01:44:59,458
  8960. another paper could find these letters
  8961. and fuck the story.
  8962.  
  8963. 1889
  8964. 01:44:59,460 --> 01:45:01,661
  8965. Agreed. But we run
  8966. these letters alone,
  8967.  
  8968. 1890
  8969. 01:45:01,663 --> 01:45:04,964
  8970. law apologizes, says it's a one-time thing.
  8971. He can bury it.
  8972.  
  8973. 1891
  8974. 01:45:04,966 --> 01:45:08,467
  8975. How? These clearly show he knew
  8976. and did nothing about it.
  8977.  
  8978. 1892
  8979. 01:45:08,469 --> 01:45:11,671
  8980. Look, I'm close to stories
  8981. on 70 Priests.
  8982.  
  8983. 1893
  8984. 01:45:11,673 --> 01:45:14,507
  8985. We nail that,
  8986. along with those letters,
  8987.  
  8988. 1894
  8989. 01:45:14,509 --> 01:45:18,010
  8990. this is proof
  8991. that this is bigger than law.
  8992.  
  8993. 1895
  8994. 01:45:18,012 --> 01:45:20,613
  8995. It's the whole system.
  8996.  
  8997. 1896
  8998. 01:45:20,615 --> 01:45:23,082
  8999. You have multiple sources
  9000. confirming all those Priests?
  9001.  
  9002. 1897
  9003. 01:45:23,084 --> 01:45:26,686
  9004. - On some. I can get more.
  9005. - Too risky.
  9006.  
  9007. 1898
  9008. 01:45:26,688 --> 01:45:30,089
  9009. If we're not buttoned up on every single
  9010. one of them, the church will pick us apart.
  9011.  
  9012. 1899
  9013. 01:45:31,858 --> 01:45:34,527
  9014. I think I can get us someone
  9015. from the other side of the aisle.
  9016.  
  9017. 1900
  9018. 01:45:34,529 --> 01:45:37,363
  9019. Somebody inside the church?
  9020.  
  9021. 1901
  9022. 01:45:37,365 --> 01:45:39,198
  9023. Yeah. A lawyer.
  9024.  
  9025. 1902
  9026. 01:45:39,200 --> 01:45:41,300
  9027. Will he go on the record?
  9028.  
  9029. 1903
  9030. 01:45:41,302 --> 01:45:43,769
  9031. Deep background.
  9032. But he's a solid source.
  9033.  
  9034. 1904
  9035. 01:45:47,374 --> 01:45:49,709
  9036. Rezendes needs time
  9037. to write the story.
  9038.  
  9039. 1905
  9040. 01:45:49,711 --> 01:45:52,611
  9041. We don't want to drop it
  9042. at Christmas, not after 9/11.
  9043.  
  9044. 1906
  9045. 01:45:53,547 --> 01:45:55,648
  9046. We could run it
  9047. just after new year's,
  9048.  
  9049. 1907
  9050. 01:45:55,650 --> 01:45:58,517
  9051. before they release
  9052. the rest of the documents.
  9053.  
  9054. 1908
  9055. 01:46:01,888 --> 01:46:03,823
  9056. All right.
  9057.  
  9058. 1909
  9059. 01:46:03,825 --> 01:46:06,926
  9060. Tell Canellos
  9061. to bury the ruling in Metro.
  9062.  
  9063. 1910
  9064. 01:46:08,395 --> 01:46:10,363
  9065. You got six weeks.
  9066.  
  9067. 1911
  9068. 01:46:10,365 --> 01:46:12,732
  9069. Thank you.
  9070.  
  9071. 1912
  9072. 01:46:12,734 --> 01:46:15,067
  9073. Tell Mike
  9074. I want a draft by Christmas.
  9075.  
  9076. 1913
  9077. 01:46:15,069 --> 01:46:17,203
  9078. And we need a response
  9079. from Lake Street.
  9080.  
  9081. 1914
  9082. 01:46:17,205 --> 01:46:19,405
  9083. Who does PR for the Cardinal?
  9084. Still John Walsh?
  9085.  
  9086. 1915
  9087. 01:46:19,407 --> 01:46:23,008
  9088. No, somebody new. Donna Morrissey.
  9089. She came from TV. She's young.
  9090.  
  9091. 1916
  9092. 01:46:23,010 --> 01:46:25,845
  9093. Good. Get a quote. We need something
  9094. from law to appear evenhanded.
  9095.  
  9096. 1917
  9097. 01:46:25,847 --> 01:46:28,314
  9098. Robby, next time give me
  9099. a goddamn heads-up.
  9100.  
  9101. 1918
  9102. 01:46:28,316 --> 01:46:30,516
  9103. Will do.
  9104.  
  9105. 1919
  9106. 01:47:52,833 --> 01:47:55,668
  9107. Robby, what a nice surprise.
  9108.  
  9109. 1920
  9110. 01:47:55,670 --> 01:47:57,236
  9111. Come on in.
  9112.  
  9113. 1921
  9114. 01:48:03,478 --> 01:48:07,012
  9115. Hey, hon,
  9116. look who I found outside.
  9117.  
  9118. 1922
  9119. 01:48:09,616 --> 01:48:11,984
  9120. Karen, can you
  9121. give us a minute?
  9122.  
  9123. 1923
  9124. 01:48:13,019 --> 01:48:16,155
  9125. Sure.
  9126. Good to see you, Karen.
  9127.  
  9128. 1924
  9129. 01:48:19,359 --> 01:48:20,926
  9130. What's up?
  9131.  
  9132. 1925
  9133. 01:48:35,509 --> 01:48:38,210
  9134. I'm out of time, Jim.
  9135.  
  9136. 1926
  9137. 01:48:38,212 --> 01:48:41,547
  9138. We've got cover-up stories
  9139. on 70 Priests.
  9140.  
  9141. 1927
  9142. 01:48:41,549 --> 01:48:45,951
  9143. But the boss isn't gonna run it
  9144. unless I get confirmation from your side.
  9145.  
  9146. 1928
  9147. 01:48:48,188 --> 01:48:49,855
  9148. Are you out of your mind?
  9149.  
  9150. 1929
  9151. 01:48:49,857 --> 01:48:52,491
  9152. Come on.
  9153. This is our town, Jimmy.
  9154.  
  9155. 1930
  9156. 01:48:52,493 --> 01:48:57,563
  9157. Everybody knew something was going on,
  9158. and no one did a thing.
  9159.  
  9160. 1931
  9161. 01:48:57,565 --> 01:49:01,500
  9162. - We gotta put an end to it.
  9163. - Don't tell me what I gotta do.
  9164.  
  9165. 1932
  9166. 01:49:01,502 --> 01:49:04,670
  9167. Yeah, I helped defend these scumbags,
  9168. but that's my job, Robby.
  9169.  
  9170. 1933
  9171. 01:49:04,672 --> 01:49:07,106
  9172. I was doing my job.
  9173.  
  9174. 1934
  9175. 01:49:08,174 --> 01:49:10,242
  9176. Yeah.
  9177.  
  9178. 1935
  9179. 01:49:10,244 --> 01:49:11,977
  9180. You and everyone else.
  9181.  
  9182. 1936
  9183. 01:49:20,587 --> 01:49:22,321
  9184. Get out of my house.
  9185.  
  9186. 1937
  9187. 01:49:33,333 --> 01:49:34,833
  9188. Hey!
  9189.  
  9190. 1938
  9191. 01:49:36,269 --> 01:49:39,004
  9192. You come to my home
  9193. and lay this shit on me?
  9194.  
  9195. 1939
  9196. 01:49:39,906 --> 01:49:42,174
  9197. You were right, Robby.
  9198.  
  9199. 1940
  9200. 01:49:42,176 --> 01:49:45,110
  9201. We all knew
  9202. something was going on.
  9203.  
  9204. 1941
  9205. 01:49:45,112 --> 01:49:49,348
  9206. So where were you?
  9207. What took you so long?
  9208.  
  9209. 1942
  9210. 01:49:55,689 --> 01:49:57,289
  9211. I don't know, Jim.
  9212.  
  9213. 1943
  9214. 01:50:02,462 --> 01:50:04,863
  9215. Give me the list.
  9216.  
  9217. 1944
  9218. 01:50:59,853 --> 01:51:02,254
  9219. Larry, we're going to press
  9220. in six hours.
  9221.  
  9222. 1945
  9223. 01:51:02,256 --> 01:51:04,523
  9224. Donna Morrissey said she'd call us
  9225. with a quote from law hours ago.
  9226.  
  9227. 1946
  9228. 01:51:04,525 --> 01:51:06,992
  9229. That's what I thought.
  9230. When did you talk to her?
  9231.  
  9232. 1947
  9233. 01:51:06,994 --> 01:51:09,194
  9234. Okay. Okay, Larry.
  9235. Yeah.
  9236.  
  9237. 1948
  9238. 01:51:09,196 --> 01:51:12,531
  9239. Yeah. Yeah, that's good
  9240. to know. Thanks, Pete.
  9241.  
  9242. 1949
  9243. 01:51:12,533 --> 01:51:14,299
  9244. Anything?
  9245.  
  9246. 1950
  9247. 01:51:14,301 --> 01:51:16,935
  9248. Conley said Donna Morrissey should've called.
  9249. He just left lake street.
  9250.  
  9251. 1951
  9252. 01:51:16,937 --> 01:51:18,837
  9253. Yeah, Rasky said
  9254. the same thing.
  9255.  
  9256. 1952
  9257. 01:51:18,839 --> 01:51:21,140
  9258. This is ridiculous.
  9259. You'd think they want to get ahead of this.
  9260.  
  9261. 1953
  9262. 01:51:21,142 --> 01:51:23,275
  9263. I mean,
  9264. they'd be idiots not to.
  9265.  
  9266. 1954
  9267. 01:51:23,277 --> 01:51:26,478
  9268. I would love to see their faces
  9269. when they read this thing.
  9270.  
  9271. 1955
  9272. 01:51:26,480 --> 01:51:29,014
  9273. Sunday's the feast
  9274. of the Epiphany.
  9275.  
  9276. 1956
  9277. 01:51:29,016 --> 01:51:31,850
  9278. That seems appropriate.
  9279.  
  9280. 1957
  9281. 01:51:36,623 --> 01:51:38,223
  9282. Mike Rezendes.
  9283.  
  9284. 1958
  9285. 01:51:39,559 --> 01:51:41,393
  9286. Hey, Donna.
  9287.  
  9288. 1959
  9289. 01:51:41,395 --> 01:51:44,797
  9290. Thanks for calling. Yeah, I just had a few
  9291. questions if you have a minute.
  9292.  
  9293. 1960
  9294. 01:51:47,133 --> 01:51:48,267
  9295. What?
  9296.  
  9297. 1961
  9298. 01:51:49,669 --> 01:51:52,237
  9299. What?
  9300. Another adjective.
  9301.  
  9302. 1962
  9303. 01:51:53,707 --> 01:51:55,741
  9304. Anything?
  9305. Law just turned us down.
  9306.  
  9307. 1963
  9308. 01:51:55,743 --> 01:51:57,342
  9309. Jesus Christ.
  9310.  
  9311. 1964
  9312. 01:51:57,344 --> 01:51:59,478
  9313. I just got off the phone
  9314. with Donna Morrissey.
  9315.  
  9316. 1965
  9317. 01:51:59,480 --> 01:52:02,915
  9318. She said, quote, "we don't even want to
  9319. know what the questions are," end quote.
  9320.  
  9321. 1966
  9322. 01:52:02,917 --> 01:52:04,750
  9323. - She really said that?
  9324. - Yeah.
  9325.  
  9326. 1967
  9327. 01:52:04,752 --> 01:52:06,485
  9328. Well, that ought
  9329. to do it.
  9330.  
  9331. 1968
  9332. 01:52:06,487 --> 01:52:08,220
  9333. "The church
  9334. had no interest
  9335.  
  9336. 1969
  9337. 01:52:08,222 --> 01:52:10,889
  9338. in knowing what the<i> Globe's</i> questions
  9339. would be."
  9340.  
  9341. 1970
  9342. 01:52:12,092 --> 01:52:14,593
  9343. Work it in somewhere before the jump.
  9344. Anything else?
  9345.  
  9346. 1971
  9347. 01:52:14,595 --> 01:52:18,363
  9348. Matt wants to put the letters online
  9349. so the readers can see for themselves.
  9350.  
  9351. 1972
  9352. 01:52:18,365 --> 01:52:20,899
  9353. We can run the URL
  9354. at the bottom of the article.
  9355.  
  9356. 1973
  9357. 01:52:20,901 --> 01:52:22,768
  9358. - It's pretty straightforward.
  9359. - Okay.
  9360.  
  9361. 1974
  9362. 01:52:22,770 --> 01:52:26,271
  9363. We also put the Spotlight tip line at the
  9364. end of the story so people can call in.
  9365.  
  9366. 1975
  9367. 01:52:26,273 --> 01:52:27,773
  9368. Goes directly
  9369. to our office.
  9370.  
  9371. 1976
  9372. 01:52:27,775 --> 01:52:30,275
  9373. Matt and I can go in in the morning
  9374. in case we get any calls.
  9375.  
  9376. 1977
  9377. 01:52:30,277 --> 01:52:32,444
  9378. Yeah, I'm more concerned
  9379. about the phones at reception.
  9380.  
  9381. 1978
  9382. 01:52:32,446 --> 01:52:35,581
  9383. After we ran the Porter case,
  9384. the message centers were tied up for weeks.
  9385.  
  9386. 1979
  9387. 01:52:35,583 --> 01:52:37,750
  9388. It's a real problem.
  9389. There were picketers too.
  9390.  
  9391. 1980
  9392. 01:52:37,752 --> 01:52:39,218
  9393. Lots of 'em.
  9394.  
  9395. 1981
  9396. 01:52:39,220 --> 01:52:41,453
  9397. I'll talk to Richard about
  9398. the security and the phones.
  9399.  
  9400. 1982
  9401. 01:52:41,455 --> 01:52:44,289
  9402. Uh, how are we coming
  9403. on the folo story?
  9404.  
  9405. 1983
  9406. 01:52:44,291 --> 01:52:47,860
  9407. Well, we've nailed down
  9408. multiple stories on 70 Priests.
  9409.  
  9410. 1984
  9411. 01:52:48,762 --> 01:52:50,562
  9412. - All 70?
  9413. - Mm-hmm.
  9414.  
  9415. 1985
  9416. 01:52:50,564 --> 01:52:53,132
  9417. And with confirmation from Robby's source,
  9418. we're ready to go.
  9419.  
  9420. 1986
  9421. 01:52:53,134 --> 01:52:55,367
  9422. We can have a draft
  9423. next week.
  9424.  
  9425. 1987
  9426. 01:52:55,369 --> 01:52:59,037
  9427. Robby, that source of yours,
  9428. is it something we could revisit?
  9429.  
  9430. 1988
  9431. 01:53:00,640 --> 01:53:02,407
  9432. It might be tough.
  9433.  
  9434. 1989
  9435. 01:53:02,409 --> 01:53:05,544
  9436. But he has no problem helping the
  9437. church protect dozens of dirty Priests.
  9438.  
  9439. 1990
  9440. 01:53:05,546 --> 01:53:08,413
  9441. - Guy's a scumbag.
  9442. - He's a lawyer. He's doing his job.
  9443.  
  9444. 1991
  9445. 01:53:08,415 --> 01:53:10,916
  9446. - He's a shill for the church.
  9447. - He knew and did nothing.
  9448.  
  9449. 1992
  9450. 01:53:10,918 --> 01:53:13,485
  9451. He could've said something years ago,
  9452. maybe saved some lives.
  9453.  
  9454. 1993
  9455. 01:53:13,487 --> 01:53:16,255
  9456. What about us?
  9457.  
  9458. 1994
  9459. 01:53:16,257 --> 01:53:18,991
  9460. - What's that supposed to mean?
  9461. - We had all the pieces.
  9462.  
  9463. 1995
  9464. 01:53:18,993 --> 01:53:21,059
  9465. Why didn't<i> we</i> get it sooner?
  9466.  
  9467. 1996
  9468. 01:53:21,061 --> 01:53:23,228
  9469. We didn't have all the pieces.
  9470. We had Saviano.
  9471.  
  9472. 1997
  9473. 01:53:23,230 --> 01:53:25,063
  9474. We had Barrett.
  9475. We had Geoghan.
  9476.  
  9477. 1998
  9478. 01:53:25,065 --> 01:53:26,999
  9479. We had the directories
  9480. in the basement.
  9481.  
  9482. 1999
  9483. 01:53:27,001 --> 01:53:30,836
  9484. - You know what? We got it now.
  9485. - Robby, the story needed Spotlight.
  9486.  
  9487. 2000
  9488. 01:53:30,838 --> 01:53:34,173
  9489. Mike, Spotlight's
  9490. been around since 1970.
  9491.  
  9492. 2001
  9493. 01:53:34,175 --> 01:53:37,176
  9494. So what? We couldn't see
  9495. the scope of this. No one could.
  9496.  
  9497. 2002
  9498. 01:53:37,178 --> 01:53:39,545
  9499. Robby, this started
  9500. with one goddamn Priest.
  9501.  
  9502. 2003
  9503. 01:53:42,081 --> 01:53:45,017
  9504. Macleish sent us a letter
  9505. on 20 Priests years ago.
  9506.  
  9507. 2004
  9508. 01:53:45,019 --> 01:53:46,952
  9509. Sacha found the clip.
  9510.  
  9511. 2005
  9512. 01:53:46,954 --> 01:53:49,021
  9513. You freaking kidding?
  9514. Twenty Priests?
  9515.  
  9516. 2006
  9517. 01:53:49,023 --> 01:53:50,689
  9518. When?
  9519.  
  9520. 2007
  9521. 01:53:51,858 --> 01:53:54,927
  9522. Uh, just after Porter.
  9523. December '93.
  9524.  
  9525. 2008
  9526. 01:53:54,929 --> 01:53:57,663
  9527. We buried the story in Metro.
  9528. No folo.
  9529.  
  9530. 2009
  9531. 01:53:58,765 --> 01:54:00,365
  9532. That was you?
  9533.  
  9534. 2010
  9535. 01:54:01,668 --> 01:54:03,268
  9536. You were Metro.
  9537.  
  9538. 2011
  9539. 01:54:04,370 --> 01:54:07,206
  9540. Yeah. That was me.
  9541.  
  9542. 2012
  9543. 01:54:07,208 --> 01:54:09,708
  9544. I'd just taken over.
  9545. I don't remember it at all.
  9546.  
  9547. 2013
  9548. 01:54:10,977 --> 01:54:12,277
  9549. But yeah.
  9550.  
  9551. 2014
  9552. 01:54:15,548 --> 01:54:17,716
  9553. Um,
  9554.  
  9555. 2015
  9556. 01:54:17,718 --> 01:54:20,452
  9557. can I, uh,
  9558. say something here?
  9559.  
  9560. 2016
  9561. 01:54:21,654 --> 01:54:23,488
  9562. Sometimes it's easy to forget
  9563.  
  9564. 2017
  9565. 01:54:23,490 --> 01:54:27,025
  9566. that we spend most of our time
  9567. stumbling around in the dark.
  9568.  
  9569. 2018
  9570. 01:54:27,027 --> 01:54:28,660
  9571. Suddenly a light gets turned on,
  9572.  
  9573. 2019
  9574. 01:54:28,662 --> 01:54:31,730
  9575. and there's a fair share
  9576. of blame to go around.
  9577.  
  9578. 2020
  9579. 01:54:33,700 --> 01:54:36,235
  9580. I can't speak to
  9581. what happened before I arrived,
  9582.  
  9583. 2021
  9584. 01:54:36,237 --> 01:54:41,406
  9585. but, uh, all of you have done
  9586. some very good reporting here.
  9587.  
  9588. 2022
  9589. 01:54:41,408 --> 01:54:44,076
  9590. Reporting that I believe
  9591. is gonna have an immediate
  9592.  
  9593. 2023
  9594. 01:54:44,078 --> 01:54:47,145
  9595. and considerable impact
  9596. on our readers.
  9597.  
  9598. 2024
  9599. 01:54:49,082 --> 01:54:52,584
  9600. For me, this kind of story
  9601. is why we do this.
  9602.  
  9603. 2025
  9604. 01:54:52,586 --> 01:54:54,186
  9605. Having said that,
  9606.  
  9607. 2026
  9608. 01:54:54,188 --> 01:54:56,355
  9609. Cardinal law
  9610. and the Catholic Community
  9611.  
  9612. 2027
  9613. 01:54:56,357 --> 01:54:58,724
  9614. are gonna have
  9615. a very strong response to this.
  9616.  
  9617. 2028
  9618. 01:54:59,859 --> 01:55:02,094
  9619. So if you need a moment,
  9620.  
  9621. 2029
  9622. 01:55:02,096 --> 01:55:03,862
  9623. you've earned it.
  9624.  
  9625. 2030
  9626. 01:55:03,864 --> 01:55:06,398
  9627. But, uh,
  9628.  
  9629. 2031
  9630. 01:55:06,400 --> 01:55:08,433
  9631. I will need you back here
  9632. Monday morning,
  9633.  
  9634. 2032
  9635. 01:55:08,435 --> 01:55:12,571
  9636. focused and ready
  9637. to do your job.
  9638.  
  9639. 2033
  9640. 01:55:20,213 --> 01:55:23,081
  9641. - Leaving?
  9642. - Yeah.
  9643.  
  9644. 2034
  9645. 01:55:28,888 --> 01:55:31,556
  9646. I, uh, just got a call
  9647. from the Cardinal.
  9648.  
  9649. 2035
  9650. 01:55:31,558 --> 01:55:33,458
  9651. Really. Why?
  9652.  
  9653. 2036
  9654. 01:55:33,460 --> 01:55:36,862
  9655. He wanted to tell me personally
  9656. that he decided not to comment.
  9657.  
  9658. 2037
  9659. 01:55:36,864 --> 01:55:41,633
  9660. Yeah. Said he wanted to, uh,
  9661. extend me that courtesy.
  9662.  
  9663. 2038
  9664. 01:55:41,635 --> 01:55:44,970
  9665. Jesus, the balls on that guy.
  9666. What did you say?
  9667.  
  9668. 2039
  9669. 01:55:44,972 --> 01:55:48,807
  9670. I told him he was making a mistake and that
  9671. we were gonna run the story.
  9672.  
  9673. 2040
  9674. 01:55:48,809 --> 01:55:51,043
  9675. Damn right
  9676. we're gonna run it.
  9677.  
  9678. 2041
  9679. 01:56:15,335 --> 01:56:17,502
  9680. Sacha, can I have
  9681. a drink of water?
  9682.  
  9683. 2042
  9684. 01:56:18,638 --> 01:56:21,239
  9685. Yeah. Sure, Nana. Yeah.
  9686.  
  9687. 2043
  9688. 01:56:32,018 --> 01:56:33,652
  9689. Can I keep this?
  9690.  
  9691. 2044
  9692. 01:56:34,821 --> 01:56:36,288
  9693. Sure.
  9694.  
  9695. 2045
  9696. 01:56:36,290 --> 01:56:38,857
  9697. I thought you
  9698. should see it first.
  9699.  
  9700. 2046
  9701. 01:56:38,859 --> 01:56:40,826
  9702. Thank you for bringing it by.
  9703.  
  9704. 2047
  9705. 01:56:43,196 --> 01:56:46,698
  9706. Now, I have some clients
  9707. I have to attend to.
  9708.  
  9709. 2048
  9710. 01:56:53,207 --> 01:56:55,440
  9711. Yeah.
  9712.  
  9713. 2049
  9714. 01:57:03,883 --> 01:57:05,817
  9715. Both kids were abused.
  9716.  
  9717. 2050
  9718. 01:57:05,819 --> 01:57:08,453
  9719. Jamaica Plain.
  9720. Two weeks ago.
  9721.  
  9722. 2051
  9723. 01:57:10,056 --> 01:57:14,126
  9724. Keep... doing your work,
  9725. Mr. Rezendes.
  9726.  
  9727. 2052
  9728. 01:57:15,728 --> 01:57:17,462
  9729. - Hello.
  9730. - Hello.
  9731.  
  9732. 2053
  9733. 01:57:17,464 --> 01:57:19,398
  9734. How are you guys doing?
  9735.  
  9736. 2054
  9737. 01:57:19,400 --> 01:57:22,200
  9738. - Good, thanks.
  9739. - Good.
  9740.  
  9741. 2055
  9742. 01:58:08,448 --> 01:58:11,049
  9743. - Hey.
  9744. - Good morning.
  9745.  
  9746. 2056
  9747. 01:58:11,051 --> 01:58:13,085
  9748. How'd you sleep?
  9749.  
  9750. 2057
  9751. 01:58:13,087 --> 01:58:15,120
  9752. Not very well. You?
  9753.  
  9754. 2058
  9755. 01:58:15,122 --> 01:58:17,255
  9756. I haven't slept well for months.
  9757. Mmm.
  9758.  
  9759. 2059
  9760. 01:58:18,424 --> 01:58:21,560
  9761. Oh, thanks.
  9762. I, uh, actually started writing.
  9763.  
  9764. 2060
  9765. 01:58:21,562 --> 01:58:23,762
  9766. Writing?
  9767. Yeah, I've been working on a book.
  9768.  
  9769. 2061
  9770. 01:58:23,764 --> 01:58:25,897
  9771. Gives me something else
  9772. to focus on.
  9773.  
  9774. 2062
  9775. 01:58:25,899 --> 01:58:29,101
  9776. What kind of book?
  9777. Horror.
  9778.  
  9779. 2063
  9780. 01:58:29,103 --> 01:58:30,602
  9781. Yeah.
  9782.  
  9783. 2064
  9784. 01:58:35,708 --> 01:58:37,976
  9785. Spotlight.
  9786.  
  9787. 2065
  9788. 01:58:37,978 --> 01:58:39,478
  9789. Yeah.
  9790.  
  9791. 2066
  9792. 01:58:39,480 --> 01:58:42,214
  9793. Yeah, of course. Can I, uh...
  9794. can I get your name, please?
  9795.  
  9796. 2067
  9797. 01:58:58,598 --> 01:59:01,833
  9798. You do know it's Sunday, right?
  9799. Couldn't get a tee time.
  9800.  
  9801. 2068
  9802. 01:59:04,804 --> 01:59:07,139
  9803. No picketers.
  9804. Yeah.
  9805.  
  9806. 2069
  9807. 01:59:07,141 --> 01:59:09,674
  9808. Probably still at church.
  9809.  
  9810. 2070
  9811. 01:59:11,344 --> 01:59:14,312
  9812. Hey, Linda.
  9813. It's quiet, huh?
  9814.  
  9815. 2071
  9816. 01:59:14,314 --> 01:59:16,481
  9817. Yeah. Easiest overtime
  9818. I ever made.
  9819.  
  9820. 2072
  9821. 01:59:16,483 --> 01:59:18,316
  9822. Phone hasn't rung once.
  9823.  
  9824. 2073
  9825. 01:59:18,318 --> 01:59:20,919
  9826. Marty sent two of mine
  9827. down to Spotlight.
  9828.  
  9829. 2074
  9830. 01:59:24,157 --> 01:59:25,757
  9831. Great article, guys.
  9832. Thank you.
  9833.  
  9834. 2075
  9835. 01:59:25,759 --> 01:59:28,026
  9836. Thanks.
  9837. Spotlight?
  9838.  
  9839. 2076
  9840. 01:59:51,284 --> 01:59:52,651
  9841. Okay. Yep.
  9842.  
  9843. 2077
  9844. 01:59:52,653 --> 01:59:54,452
  9845. Spotlight. Can I help you?
  9846.  
  9847. 2078
  9848. 01:59:54,454 --> 01:59:56,221
  9849. Phones have been ringing
  9850. all morning.
  9851.  
  9852. 2079
  9853. 01:59:56,223 --> 01:59:58,490
  9854. Spotlight.
  9855.  
  9856. 2080
  9857. 01:59:58,492 --> 02:00:00,759
  9858. - Mike, can you grab that?
  9859. - Yeah, yeah.
  9860.  
  9861. 2081
  9862. 02:00:01,661 --> 02:00:04,029
  9863. They're almost all victims,
  9864. Robby.
  9865.  
  9866. 2082
  9867. 02:00:05,965 --> 02:00:09,067
  9868. - I'm sorry to make you wait.
  9869. - Sacha Pfeiffer.
  9870.  
  9871. 2083
  9872. 02:00:09,069 --> 02:00:10,902
  9873. I'm sorry...
  9874. can you...
  9875.  
  9876. 2084
  9877. 02:00:13,140 --> 02:00:14,873
  9878. yes, you can reach me here.
  9879.  
  9880. 2085
  9881. 02:00:14,875 --> 02:00:17,242
  9882. This is Spotlight.
  9883.  
  9884. 2086
  9885. 02:00:20,013 --> 02:00:21,646
  9886. Can I get your name?
  9887.  
  9888. 2087
  9889. 02:00:21,648 --> 02:00:25,850
  9890. Did you happen to have any contact
  9891. with anybody that was there afterward?
  9892.  
  9893. 2088
  9894. 02:00:25,852 --> 02:00:28,987
  9895. Do you remember
  9896. what year this was?
  9897.  
  9898. 2089
  9899. 02:00:28,989 --> 02:00:31,256
  9900. Which parish was it?
  9901.  
  9902. 2090
  9903. 02:00:31,258 --> 02:00:32,924
  9904. This is Spotlight.
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