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- <font color="#ffff80"><b>Fixed & Synced by bozxphd.Enjoy The Flick</b></font>
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- How's that going?
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- The mother's bawling
- and the uncle's pissed off.
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- - She's not married?
- - Divorced with four kids.
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- I guess father was helping out.
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- Helping out?
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- Hey, Mr. Burke,
- they're in back talking to the bishop.
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- - And father?
- - We put him in the break room.
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- Any press? Some guy from the<i> Citizen,</i>
- but we sent him away.
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- None of the big papers.
- Let's keep it that way.
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- - Who's that?
- - Assistant DA.
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- It's gonna be hard to keep the papers
- away from the arraignment.
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- What arraignment?
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- You can tell father Geoghan
- I won't be much longer.
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- Now, Sheila, you know
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- what good work the church does
- in the community.
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- I give you
- my personal guarantee
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- that I'm going to take father
- out of the parish
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- and this will never
- happen again.
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- - We'll just be another moment, Paul.
- - Of course, father.
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- Now, Sheila,
- I'm going to give you my personal card.
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- Losing a good reporter
- is always tough.
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- But losing one of our best...
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- uh, well, to put it as eloquently as I can,
- it's a real kick in the ass.
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- But Robby here has known Stewart longer
- than most of you have been alive,
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- so I'll hand it off to him.
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- Robby.
- Oh, well, thanks, Ben.
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- I think.
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- Although I take issue
- with your reference to my seniority,
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- I will say that Stewart's departure
- is especially painful for me.
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- Because for...
- what, Stewart?
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- Twenty years now?
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- Stewart's been more than willing
- to part with his money at the poker table.
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- And I've got a kid
- in college.
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- Yeah, but I'm gonna keep playing.
- Oh, problem solved.
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- Godspeed then.
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- Now, Stewart,
- I find the timing
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- of your departure
- disconcerting.
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- The corner office
- sits empty.
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- The new editor
- arrives on Monday.
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- So I'm sorry, buddy,
- but I gotta ask ya,
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- what the hell
- do you know?
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- How's the cake?
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- It's really good.
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- Are you saving yours?
- Nah, it's for Mike.
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- I can never eat at those things.
- They kind of depress me. I know.
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- Did you see the numbers from Washington?
- Yeah. Very interesting.
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- I think so too.
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- I'm not asking if the PD's lying.
- I know they're lying.
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- All I'm asking...
- who's behind it?
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- Uh-huh. Okay, I get it.
- You don't want to talk.
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- No, Dan.
- I'm not mad, I'm hungry.
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- I've been talking so long I didn't eat lunch.
- So I'm going to get something to eat.
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- That'll give you an hour to decide whether
- you want to be on the right side of this
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- or read about it
- like everybody else.
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- - Bye, Dan.
- - You think Cahill has something?
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- Maybe. I just don't think
- the story's for us.
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- Ben likes it.
- Yeah, it's not bad.
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- It's just not Spotlight.
- What's just not Spotlight?
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- The PD numbers.
- The numbers story. It feels thin.
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- Oh. You got Cahill to talk?
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- No. But I will.
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- Good. Then we'll know
- if it's thin.
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- How'd it go upstairs?
- Okay.
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- Robby gave a good speech.
- I'm sure he did.
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- - I heard Lubin and Connor are going to the<i> Times.</i>
- - Come on. Really?
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- They're leeching us.
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- They're sending a guy from Miami
- to run things. That should help.
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- Has Baron
- even spent time in Boston?
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- I don't think he's been here before.
- We should buy him a map.
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- A friend down in Miami
- said he cut 15% of the staff. Great.
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- Hey, Robby.
- New boss coming in to make some cuts?
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- I have no idea.
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- - Aren't you sitting down with him?
- - Yes, I am.
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- So is it about Spotlight?
- I don't know, Mike.
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- But I do know that Ben needs an answer
- on the crime numbers story.
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- I'm telling you,
- I really don't think that story's for us.
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- Mr. Baron.
- Oh.
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- Walter Robinson.
- Robby. Yeah.
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- Thanks for taking the time out
- of your weekend. My pleasure.
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- Appreciate it.
- Pleasure.
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- What are you reading?
- Uh,<i> Curse Of The Bambino.</i>
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- Ah, yeah.
- It's a great book.
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- The<i> Globe</i> has season tickets at Fenway
- once you're settled in, by the way.
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- Thank you. To be honest, I'm...
- I'm not much of a baseball fan.
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- I'm just trying to get
- a feel for the city.
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- Oh. Yeah.
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- So you're originally
- from Boston?
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- I am.
- Born and raised, yeah.
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- A lot of the newsroom
- is from here.
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- It really feels like a...
- like a local paper in that way.
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- And did that change at all
- after the paper was sold to the<i> Times?</i>
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- No. No, I don't think
- that had a big impact.
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- Good.
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- And, uh, you're an editor
- for the Spotlight team?
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- I'd prefer to think of myself
- as player coach, but yes.
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- Are you familiar
- with Spotlight?
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- No, not particularly.
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- Well, we are a four-person
- investigative team.
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- We report
- to Ben Bradlee Jr.,
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- and we keep
- our work confidential.
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- What are you working on now?
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- We just put out a piece
- on a shoddy construction outfit,
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- and right now we're really just trolling
- around for our next story.
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- How long does that
- typically take?
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- Hard to say.
- Uh, a couple months.
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- - Couple months?
- - Yeah.
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- We don't like to rush it.
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- Once we settle on a project,
- we can spend a year or more investigating it.
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- Is that a concern?
- Not necessarily.
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- Um, but from what I understand,
- readership is down.
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- Internet is cutting into
- the classified business and, uh,
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- I think I'm gonna need to
- take a hard look at things.
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- 00:07:56,476 --> 00:08:00,612
- So, you anticipate
- more cuts.
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- Uh, I think
- it's safe to assume so.
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- 00:08:03,484 --> 00:08:08,253
- But, uh, what I'm more
- focused on right now is finding a way to...
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- to make this paper
- essential to its readers.
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- I like to think
- it already is.
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- Fair enough. I just think
- that we can do better.
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- Mr. Bradlee.
- Hey.
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- Saw the PD numbers.
- Looks interesting.
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- Yeah, there's
- something there.
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- How long do you need?
- Uh, another week.
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- Where are you going?
- To the 10:30.
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- Since when?
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- 00:08:44,725 --> 00:08:47,125
- Well, technically,
- I am an editor.
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- Technically.
- Your sit-down with Baron go that well?
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- I couldn't get a read on him.
- That's a first.
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- How about you?
- Well, he's a barrel of laughs.
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- - Morning, everyone.
- - Let's get started.
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- Do you want to
- say something, Marty?
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- Uh, sure.
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- Uh, hello.
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- Uh, as most of you
- know by now,
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- my name is Marty Baron.
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- I'm, uh,
- delighted to be here.
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- Um, if you could tell me your name as we
- go around, that'd be helpful.
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- Thank you.
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- Okay. Peter?
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- Peter Canellos, Metro.
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- I've got a major
- big dig closure.
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- Hey, Steve.
- Mike.
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- Hey. Crappy game
- last night, huh?
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- Yeah, they can't hit
- worth a nickel.
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- Hey, listen, what's, um...
- what's Eileen McNamara doing in the 10:30?
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- Do you need something, Mike?
- No, just curious.
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- Go be curious somewhere else.
- I got work to do.
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- Okay, Steve. See ya.
- Yeah.
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- 00:09:52,259 --> 00:09:55,460
- And it looks like Pedro's
- gonna be out till September 1.
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- 00:09:55,462 --> 00:09:58,296
- Jimmy says he'll be back this year,
- but the Doc didn't seem so sure.
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- When's the Pats opener?
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- Is that, uh, everyone?
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- - Yes, that's it.
- - Okay. Good. Thank you.
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- Uh, did everyone read
- Eileen McNamara's column this weekend?
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- That's the Geoghan case?
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- Yeah.
- What's the folo on that?
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- It... it's a column.
- What kind of folo were you thinking?
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- 00:10:23,423 --> 00:10:26,424
- Uh, well, apparently
- this Priest molested kids
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- 00:10:26,426 --> 00:10:28,760
- in six different parishes
- over the last 30 years,
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- and the attorney
- for the victims, Mr., uh...
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- - Garabedian.
- - Thanks, Eileen.
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- 00:10:33,467 --> 00:10:37,402
- Mr. Garabedian says Cardinal law found
- out about it 15 years ago and did nothing.
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- 00:10:37,404 --> 00:10:40,338
- I think that attorney's a bit of a crank.
- And the church dismissed the claim.
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- 00:10:40,340 --> 00:10:41,806
- He said, she said.
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- 00:10:41,808 --> 00:10:44,175
- Whether Mr. Garabedian
- is a crank or not,
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- 00:10:44,177 --> 00:10:46,511
- he says he has documents
- that prove the Cardinal knew.
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- 00:10:46,513 --> 00:10:49,147
- As I understand it,
- those documents are under seal.
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- Okay, but the fact remains,
- a Boston Priest abused 80 kids,
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- we have a lawyer who says
- he can prove law knew about it,
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- 00:10:55,789 --> 00:11:00,158
- and we've written all of, uh,
- two stories in the last six months.
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- 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,528
- This strikes me as an essential story
- to a local paper.
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- 00:11:03,530 --> 00:11:07,132
- I think at the very least
- we have to go through those documents.
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- 00:11:07,134 --> 00:11:10,001
- How would you
- like to do that?
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- 00:11:10,003 --> 00:11:12,704
- Well, uh, I don't know
- what the laws are here,
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- 00:11:12,706 --> 00:11:15,106
- but in Florida,
- we would go to court.
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- 00:11:15,108 --> 00:11:16,908
- You want to sue the church?
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- 00:11:18,044 --> 00:11:19,544
- Technically,
- we wouldn't sue the church.
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- 00:11:19,546 --> 00:11:22,380
- We'd file a motion
- to lift the seal on those documents.
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- 00:11:22,382 --> 00:11:24,816
- The church will read that
- as us suing them.
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- 00:11:24,818 --> 00:11:26,851
- So will everybody else.
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- 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:29,354
- Good to know.
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- Gutsy call for the first day.
- That's one word for it.
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- 00:11:35,028 --> 00:11:36,895
- How do you think
- that's gonna play down front?
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- 00:11:36,897 --> 00:11:39,297
- I think Gilman's
- gonna shit a brick.
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- 00:11:39,299 --> 00:11:40,799
- - Hey.
- - Door.
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- 00:11:40,801 --> 00:11:42,467
- How'd it go?
- 187
- 00:11:42,469 --> 00:11:46,371
- Well, Baron wants to sue for the
- sealed docs in the Geoghan case.
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- 00:11:46,373 --> 00:11:49,340
- He wants to sue the church?
- Hey, that's great. Yeah.
- 189
- 00:11:49,342 --> 00:11:52,377
- We covered Geoghan
- when the story broke three years ago.
- 190
- 00:11:52,379 --> 00:11:54,079
- Baron was still in Miami.
- 191
- 00:11:54,081 --> 00:11:57,248
- He might have been at the<i> Times</i>
- then, actually. He wasn't here.
- 192
- 00:11:57,250 --> 00:12:00,151
- So do you think that suit
- has a chance?
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- 00:12:00,153 --> 00:12:03,154
- - Depends on the judge.
- - And what parish he belongs to.
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- 00:12:05,258 --> 00:12:08,560
- Bradlee. Yeah.
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- 00:12:08,562 --> 00:12:09,961
- Okay.
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- 00:12:11,397 --> 00:12:14,899
- - Baron wants to talk to us.
- - Us?
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- 00:12:14,901 --> 00:12:17,602
- - Okay, Joe.
- - Thank you.
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- 00:12:17,604 --> 00:12:20,004
- Yes.
- Okay, thanks.
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- 00:12:21,407 --> 00:12:24,776
- I've set up a meeting for tomorrow
- with outside counsel.
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- 00:12:24,778 --> 00:12:26,678
- Joe Albano?
- Yeah.
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- 00:12:26,680 --> 00:12:28,580
- Who's the judge
- in this case?
- 202
- 00:12:28,582 --> 00:12:30,749
- Um...
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- 00:12:30,751 --> 00:12:32,584
- Constance Sweeney.
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- 00:12:32,586 --> 00:12:34,185
- - Tough.
- - Why's that?
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- 00:12:34,187 --> 00:12:37,489
- Good catholic girl.
- Huh.
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- 00:12:38,858 --> 00:12:41,693
- So, um, judging from
- what I've read,
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- 00:12:41,695 --> 00:12:45,764
- it doesn't seem like we've done a very
- thorough investigation into the Geoghan case.
- 208
- 00:12:45,766 --> 00:12:48,199
- - Is that right?
- - No, it's not.
- 209
- 00:12:48,201 --> 00:12:50,135
- We looked hard at Geoghan.
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- 00:12:50,137 --> 00:12:53,304
- David Armstrong from Metro,
- Michael Paulson for religion.
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- 00:12:53,306 --> 00:12:56,307
- Okay, but, uh,
- just so I understand,
- 212
- 00:12:56,309 --> 00:12:58,777
- beyond our daily coverage,
- we haven't...
- 213
- 00:12:58,779 --> 00:13:01,813
- we haven't committed any long-term
- investigative resources
- 214
- 00:13:01,815 --> 00:13:04,549
- to the question of whether or not
- Cardinal law knew about this.
- 215
- 00:13:05,818 --> 00:13:07,418
- No, we haven't.
- 216
- 00:13:07,420 --> 00:13:09,654
- And that's the kind of thing
- your team would do?
- 217
- 00:13:09,656 --> 00:13:11,422
- Spotlight? Well, yeah.
- 218
- 00:13:11,424 --> 00:13:15,193
- But we're still prospecting
- the Boston PD story I told you about.
- 219
- 00:13:16,162 --> 00:13:19,063
- - Could you set that aside?
- - We could.
- 220
- 00:13:19,065 --> 00:13:21,766
- Marty, in past Spotlight's
- had success in large part
- 221
- 00:13:21,768 --> 00:13:24,402
- because they pick
- their own projects.
- 222
- 00:13:28,007 --> 00:13:30,575
- Would you consider
- picking this one?
- 223
- 00:13:30,577 --> 00:13:34,646
- I don't know if he's writing about you,
- but I will let him know you called.
- 224
- 00:13:34,648 --> 00:13:37,115
- Okay. Bye.
- Hey.
- 225
- 00:13:37,117 --> 00:13:39,951
- Hey, how'd it go?
- Okay.
- 226
- 00:13:39,953 --> 00:13:43,922
- Uh, Baron wants us
- to scrub the Geoghan case.
- 227
- 00:13:45,524 --> 00:13:47,525
- - That's great.
- - Didn't we cover Geoghan?
- 228
- 00:13:47,527 --> 00:13:49,961
- Yeah, there's a lawyer alleging
- Cardinal law knew about it.
- 229
- 00:13:49,963 --> 00:13:51,629
- Mmm. Mitch Garabedian, right?
- Yeah.
- 230
- 00:13:51,631 --> 00:13:54,199
- I covered him at the courthouse.
- Can you get to him?
- 231
- 00:13:54,201 --> 00:13:56,668
- I only interviewed him once.
- He's kind of a character.
- 232
- 00:13:56,670 --> 00:13:59,304
- - I like characters. I'll take him.
- - Good. You take him.
- 233
- 00:13:59,306 --> 00:14:03,341
- Also, we should be talking to the lawyer
- who repped the victims in the Porter case.
- 234
- 00:14:03,343 --> 00:14:06,878
- - Eric Macleish.
- - That guy was always on TV.
- 235
- 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:08,947
- The Porter case? Remind me.
- Yeah, uh...
- 236
- 00:14:08,949 --> 00:14:12,717
- father Porter, similar story. Molested dozens
- of kids in fall river about 10 years ago.
- 237
- 00:14:12,719 --> 00:14:15,386
- - So we're dropping the Boston PD?
- - I-I vote yes.
- 238
- 00:14:15,388 --> 00:14:17,555
- No. We just gotta
- set it aside for now.
- 239
- 00:14:17,557 --> 00:14:21,893
- I don't need to tell you guys this.
- We need to be more discreet than usual.
- 240
- 00:14:21,895 --> 00:14:24,796
- Everybody's going to be interested in this,
- not just the<i> Herald.</i>
- 241
- 00:14:24,798 --> 00:14:28,833
- We can't let Cardinal law get wind of this
- till we know what we have.
- 242
- 00:14:28,835 --> 00:14:30,435
- Good luck with that.
- 243
- 00:14:35,407 --> 00:14:37,542
- So when do you leave, Nana?
- 244
- 00:14:37,544 --> 00:14:40,678
- The bus is picking us up
- in the church parking lot at 9:00.
- 245
- 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:42,213
- We have
- 40 people going.
- 246
- 00:14:42,215 --> 00:14:45,750
- And is father Dominic going?
- No. He says he's unlucky.
- 247
- 00:14:45,752 --> 00:14:47,652
- But luck has nothing
- to do with it.
- 248
- 00:14:47,654 --> 00:14:50,455
- You know, last time Nana won $160.
- Wow.
- 249
- 00:14:53,158 --> 00:14:55,360
- You gonna tell her?
- 250
- 00:14:55,362 --> 00:14:57,395
- We don't even know
- if there's a story yet.
- 251
- 00:14:57,397 --> 00:15:00,498
- <i>Globe</i> sues church?
- It's gonna be a story.
- 252
- 00:15:19,585 --> 00:15:22,720
- Hey, Lisa. Could you pull
- all the relevant clips on that for me?
- 253
- 00:15:22,722 --> 00:15:24,255
- Yeah.
- 254
- 00:15:24,257 --> 00:15:26,090
- Is this for Spotlight?
- 255
- 00:15:26,092 --> 00:15:28,192
- Just drop them off when they're ready.
- Thanks.
- 256
- 00:15:30,796 --> 00:15:33,264
- Excuse me. Do you know where
- the publisher's office is?
- 257
- 00:15:34,366 --> 00:15:35,800
- Will do.
- 258
- 00:15:38,904 --> 00:15:40,638
- How are you, Marty?
- 259
- 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:42,140
- Settling in?
- 260
- 00:15:42,142 --> 00:15:43,808
- Yeah, I think so.
- 261
- 00:15:43,810 --> 00:15:46,644
- Good. What can I do for you?
- 262
- 00:15:46,646 --> 00:15:48,813
- Um...
- 263
- 00:15:48,815 --> 00:15:52,383
- I'd like to challenge the protective
- order in the Geoghan case.
- 264
- 00:15:52,385 --> 00:15:54,485
- You want to sue
- the catholic church?
- 265
- 00:15:54,487 --> 00:15:56,154
- Um...
- 266
- 00:15:56,156 --> 00:16:00,124
- we're just filing a motion,
- but, uh, yes.
- 267
- 00:16:00,126 --> 00:16:02,393
- You think it's that important?
- 268
- 00:16:02,395 --> 00:16:04,329
- Yes, I do.
- 269
- 00:16:04,331 --> 00:16:08,633
- Because obviously the church
- will fight us very hard on this.
- 270
- 00:16:08,635 --> 00:16:11,402
- Which won't go unnoticed
- by our subscriber base.
- 271
- 00:16:11,404 --> 00:16:13,404
- 53% of them are Catholic.
- 272
- 00:16:13,406 --> 00:16:14,806
- Mm-hmm.
- 273
- 00:16:15,908 --> 00:16:17,842
- I think they'll be interested.
- 274
- 00:16:21,013 --> 00:16:22,547
- Okay.
- 275
- 00:16:27,754 --> 00:16:31,189
- Marty, lake street will probably contact you
- about a face-to-face with the Cardinal.
- 276
- 00:16:31,191 --> 00:16:33,358
- - It's customary.
- - Yeah.
- 277
- 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,394
- They already have.
- It's set up for next week.
- 278
- 00:16:37,529 --> 00:16:40,164
- I wouldn't mention this.
- 279
- 00:16:50,109 --> 00:16:51,776
- Hello?
- 280
- 00:16:54,646 --> 00:16:56,180
- Hello?
- 281
- 00:16:56,182 --> 00:16:59,217
- Can I help you? Oh, hi. I'm Mike Rezendes
- from the<i> Boston Globe.</i>
- 282
- 00:16:59,219 --> 00:17:00,685
- I'm here to see
- Mitchell Garabedian.
- 283
- 00:17:00,687 --> 00:17:03,554
- He's on a call.
- Please have a seat.
- 284
- 00:17:03,556 --> 00:17:05,189
- Okay.
- 285
- 00:17:06,658 --> 00:17:08,860
- All right,
- I'm listening. Go ahead.
- 286
- 00:17:11,363 --> 00:17:12,830
- Okay.
- 287
- 00:17:12,832 --> 00:17:15,066
- Bill! Where the hell
- are those papers?
- 288
- 00:17:15,068 --> 00:17:17,201
- I asked you
- to put 'em on my desk!
- 289
- 00:17:32,351 --> 00:17:36,387
- The famous Walter Robinson
- in my conference room.
- 290
- 00:17:36,389 --> 00:17:38,923
- Good to see you again, Eric.
- Sacha Pfeiffer, Eric Macleish.
- 291
- 00:17:38,925 --> 00:17:42,226
- Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you.
- You don't play golf, do you?
- 292
- 00:17:42,228 --> 00:17:44,095
- - Uh, no.
- - Good.
- 293
- 00:17:44,097 --> 00:17:46,998
- Your colleague here took some money
- off me at a charity event last year.
- 294
- 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,234
- It was a very lucky putt.
- I actually had my eyes closed, by the way.
- 295
- 00:17:50,236 --> 00:17:51,903
- Mm-hmm.
- 296
- 00:17:51,905 --> 00:17:54,105
- So how can I
- help you guys?
- 297
- 00:17:54,107 --> 00:17:57,241
- Uh, you're familiar
- with the Geoghan case?
- 298
- 00:17:57,243 --> 00:17:59,343
- Sure.
- Eighty Plaintiffs.
- 299
- 00:17:59,345 --> 00:18:01,412
- All of them
- individual cases.
- 300
- 00:18:01,414 --> 00:18:03,281
- Garabedian
- must be swimming.
- 301
- 00:18:03,283 --> 00:18:07,118
- Yeah. And the allegations
- against Cardinal law?
- 302
- 00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:10,188
- Yeah, it's tricky. Um...
- 303
- 00:18:10,190 --> 00:18:13,458
- this is what you need to understand.
- These are shitty cases.
- 304
- 00:18:13,460 --> 00:18:16,694
- Um, the statute of limitations
- is only three years,
- 305
- 00:18:16,696 --> 00:18:19,730
- and most of these victims don't come
- forward till long after that.
- 306
- 00:18:19,732 --> 00:18:23,134
- - Oh. Why is that?
- - Well, they're kids, you know.
- 307
- 00:18:23,136 --> 00:18:24,869
- Uh, guilt, shame.
- 308
- 00:18:24,871 --> 00:18:26,804
- And most of these kids
- come from tough neighborhoods.
- 309
- 00:18:26,806 --> 00:18:28,973
- Nobody wants to admit
- this kind of thing.
- 310
- 00:18:28,975 --> 00:18:32,310
- So you're screwed
- on the time limit.
- 311
- 00:18:32,312 --> 00:18:35,947
- And, uh, even if you argue
- your way around that,
- 312
- 00:18:35,949 --> 00:18:39,383
- the charitable immunity statute
- caps damages at 20 grand.
- 313
- 00:18:40,385 --> 00:18:42,854
- Twenty grand
- for molesting a child?
- 314
- 00:18:43,889 --> 00:18:46,824
- That is the way
- the system is set up, yes.
- 315
- 00:18:46,826 --> 00:18:49,494
- The church is tough.
- 316
- 00:18:49,496 --> 00:18:52,997
- So your best shot
- is to try these cases in the press,
- 317
- 00:18:52,999 --> 00:18:55,066
- uh, like I did
- on Porter.
- 318
- 00:18:55,068 --> 00:18:57,335
- Mmm.
- But most of the victims,
- 319
- 00:18:57,337 --> 00:18:59,403
- they don't want to have
- anything to do with TV.
- 320
- 00:18:59,405 --> 00:19:04,342
- And, uh, Mitch isn't exactly
- a people person.
- 321
- 00:19:04,344 --> 00:19:08,312
- Yeah. And if Garabedian can't get
- his victims to go before the press,
- 322
- 00:19:08,314 --> 00:19:10,081
- then he's really...
- that's right.
- 323
- 00:19:10,083 --> 00:19:12,850
- He has a long road
- ahead of him.
- 324
- 00:19:12,852 --> 00:19:16,687
- My guess is he doesn't
- have anything on law.
- 325
- 00:19:17,623 --> 00:19:19,524
- What? You think
- he's bluffing or...
- 326
- 00:19:19,526 --> 00:19:23,528
- I think he's grandstanding
- to cut a better deal.
- 327
- 00:19:24,363 --> 00:19:27,031
- Seems a bit reckless.
- 328
- 00:19:27,033 --> 00:19:29,700
- Have you met
- Mitch Garabedian?
- 329
- 00:19:29,702 --> 00:19:32,036
- I asked you to write up
- that motion, Bill.
- 330
- 00:19:32,038 --> 00:19:34,005
- I didn't ask you
- to file it!
- 331
- 00:19:35,607 --> 00:19:37,275
- Mmm?
- 332
- 00:19:43,882 --> 00:19:45,583
- Hey, Bill.
- 333
- 00:19:56,996 --> 00:19:59,063
- Hi.
- 334
- 00:19:59,065 --> 00:20:01,465
- Who are you? I'm Mike Rezendes
- from the<i> Boston Globe.</i>
- 335
- 00:20:01,467 --> 00:20:03,301
- I had an appointment
- with you about an hour ago.
- 336
- 00:20:03,303 --> 00:20:05,169
- I can't talk to you.
- I'm very busy. Sharon?
- 337
- 00:20:05,171 --> 00:20:07,338
- She went out for coffee.
- She said she'd be right back.
- 338
- 00:20:07,340 --> 00:20:09,840
- I'm following up
- on an article.
- 339
- 00:20:09,842 --> 00:20:12,243
- The one in the<i> Phoenix?</i>
- No. In the<i> Globe.</i>
- 340
- 00:20:12,245 --> 00:20:14,812
- - Did you see the one in the<i> Phoenix?</i>
- - No, I didn't.
- 341
- 00:20:14,814 --> 00:20:17,148
- I thought it was very good.
- I have a copy here somewhere.
- 342
- 00:20:17,150 --> 00:20:19,183
- That's all right.
- I'll track it down.
- 343
- 00:20:19,185 --> 00:20:23,254
- I'm actually following up on a column that
- Eileen McNamara wrote about your suit.
- 344
- 00:20:23,256 --> 00:20:25,022
- <i>Suits.</i>
- There are 84 of them.
- 345
- 00:20:25,024 --> 00:20:27,592
- It's not a class action.
- You should get your facts straight.
- 346
- 00:20:27,594 --> 00:20:29,594
- No, you're right.
- I should.
- 347
- 00:20:29,596 --> 00:20:31,562
- So I'm trying to get some
- background information on...
- 348
- 00:20:31,564 --> 00:20:33,431
- you're not recording this,
- are you?
- 349
- 00:20:33,433 --> 00:20:35,766
- Uh, no.
- I wouldn't do that without asking.
- 350
- 00:20:35,768 --> 00:20:37,768
- I can't show you the church documents,
- if that's what you're after.
- 351
- 00:20:37,770 --> 00:20:41,339
- - They're under seal.
- - Yeah, I know that.
- 352
- 00:20:41,341 --> 00:20:43,274
- Did you know
- they tried to bring me up
- 353
- 00:20:43,276 --> 00:20:45,610
- before the Massachusetts board
- of bar overseers three times?
- 354
- 00:20:45,612 --> 00:20:48,079
- They're watching me very closely.
- The church?
- 355
- 00:20:48,081 --> 00:20:49,914
- Yeah. The church. Yeah.
- 356
- 00:20:49,916 --> 00:20:53,718
- They'd like to get me disbarred.
- In fact... put that away. Put it away.
- 357
- 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,686
- Sure.
- I don't want you recording this
- 358
- 00:20:55,688 --> 00:20:57,355
- in any way,
- shape or form.
- 359
- 00:20:57,357 --> 00:20:59,023
- Not on paper,
- not on tape, nothing.
- 360
- 00:20:59,025 --> 00:21:01,759
- In fact, I probably shouldn't
- even be speaking to you, so...
- 361
- 00:21:01,761 --> 00:21:06,197
- look, Mr. Garabedian,
- I know there's things you cannot tell me.
- 362
- 00:21:06,199 --> 00:21:09,567
- But I also know there's a story here,
- and I think it's an important story.
- 363
- 00:21:09,569 --> 00:21:11,469
- I already talked
- to the<i> Phoenix.</i>
- 364
- 00:21:11,471 --> 00:21:15,239
- Yeah, and there's a reason I didn't see it.
- Nobody reads the<i> Phoenix</i> anymore.
- 365
- 00:21:15,241 --> 00:21:16,974
- They're broke.
- They don't have any power.
- 366
- 00:21:16,976 --> 00:21:19,143
- The<i> Globe</i> does.
- 367
- 00:21:19,145 --> 00:21:21,946
- If we cover this story,
- everybody will hear about it.
- 368
- 00:21:23,649 --> 00:21:26,083
- The church thinks in centuries,
- Mr. Rezendes.
- 369
- 00:21:26,085 --> 00:21:29,153
- Do you think your paper
- has the resources to take that on?
- 370
- 00:21:29,155 --> 00:21:31,289
- Yeah, I do.
- 371
- 00:21:31,291 --> 00:21:34,959
- But if you don't mind
- me asking, do you?
- 372
- 00:21:35,994 --> 00:21:38,095
- I can't talk to you right now,
- Mr. Rezendes.
- 373
- 00:21:38,097 --> 00:21:39,897
- I'm very, very busy.
- 374
- 00:21:42,167 --> 00:21:43,834
- Sharon?
- Thank you.
- 375
- 00:21:43,836 --> 00:21:47,471
- Yep. Can I at least talk to some of
- your clients? The victims?
- 376
- 00:21:47,473 --> 00:21:49,840
- I'd really
- like to do that.
- 377
- 00:21:49,842 --> 00:21:52,476
- Call me tomorrow. I gotta think about it.
- Yep. Thank you. Thanks.
- 378
- 00:22:45,397 --> 00:22:48,532
- I got more clips from the library.
- Leave 'em right there.
- 379
- 00:22:49,501 --> 00:22:51,569
- Are you guys doing a story
- on the church?
- 380
- 00:22:51,571 --> 00:22:54,638
- No, we are not doing
- a story on the church.
- 381
- 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,907
- Matt, you find anything
- on this guy, Phil Saviano?
- 382
- 00:22:56,909 --> 00:22:58,743
- No. Who is he?
- 383
- 00:22:58,745 --> 00:23:00,811
- He's part of
- a victims' organization.
- 384
- 00:23:00,813 --> 00:23:03,814
- Kurkjian did a story on him
- right after the Porter case.
- 385
- 00:23:03,816 --> 00:23:06,550
- There's a victims' organization?
- Yeah.
- 386
- 00:23:06,552 --> 00:23:09,854
- It's called SNAP. It's, uh, Survivors
- Network of those Abused by Priests.
- 387
- 00:23:09,856 --> 00:23:11,956
- - Crummy Acronym.
- - Mmm.
- 388
- 00:23:14,226 --> 00:23:17,094
- You want me to track him down?
- Yeah. Bring him in.
- 389
- 00:23:17,096 --> 00:23:19,730
- How much longer you need
- to get through the clips?
- 390
- 00:23:19,732 --> 00:23:21,766
- I mean, a few days.
- There's a lot.
- 391
- 00:23:21,768 --> 00:23:23,701
- Lisa's still sending up more.
- Okay.
- 392
- 00:23:23,703 --> 00:23:26,604
- Hey, guys. I think
- I got another Priest.
- 393
- 00:23:26,606 --> 00:23:28,706
- Liam Barrett.
- 394
- 00:23:28,708 --> 00:23:30,708
- Molested some kids
- in Philly
- 395
- 00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:32,676
- and was moved
- to Boston.
- 396
- 00:23:32,678 --> 00:23:34,879
- Did the same thing
- and was moved again.
- 397
- 00:23:34,881 --> 00:23:36,914
- Really? That sounds
- like Geoghan.
- 398
- 00:23:36,916 --> 00:23:40,684
- Is that one of our clips?
- Yeah. Byline's Diego Ribadineira, 1997.
- 399
- 00:23:40,686 --> 00:23:43,120
- Must've been back when
- he was working religion.
- 400
- 00:23:43,122 --> 00:23:46,390
- Was there any folo?
- Not much. One short piece.
- 401
- 00:23:46,392 --> 00:23:48,759
- Huh.
- The church settled the case.
- 402
- 00:23:51,530 --> 00:23:53,597
- Don't you know
- Jim Sullivan?
- 403
- 00:23:53,599 --> 00:23:55,800
- Yeah. Why?
- 404
- 00:23:55,802 --> 00:23:58,269
- Looks like the church
- brought him in to help out.
- 405
- 00:24:06,311 --> 00:24:11,115
- Jesus. Has anybody but manny gotten
- the ball out of the infield?
- 406
- 00:24:11,117 --> 00:24:13,551
- Nope.
- Why do you even bother with that thing?
- 407
- 00:24:13,553 --> 00:24:15,619
- It distracts me
- from the game.
- 408
- 00:24:15,621 --> 00:24:17,822
- Know what else
- is good for that?
- 409
- 00:24:17,824 --> 00:24:19,924
- Oh, yeah. Good idea.
- My round.
- 410
- 00:24:19,926 --> 00:24:22,626
- I'll be right back.
- Anybody want any food? No.
- 411
- 00:24:22,628 --> 00:24:25,062
- - I'm all set.
- - Hey, a hot dog.
- 412
- 00:24:26,231 --> 00:24:28,833
- So, you guys making any progress?
- Absolutely.
- 413
- 00:24:28,835 --> 00:24:31,469
- It's a good story.
- Why?
- 414
- 00:24:31,471 --> 00:24:33,938
- 'Cause you're another lapsed catholic
- pissed off at the church?
- 415
- 00:24:33,940 --> 00:24:36,240
- We've got a lot of good stuff.
- Like what?
- 416
- 00:24:37,576 --> 00:24:39,777
- I'm just watching the game.
- <i>Omertà.</i>
- 417
- 00:24:39,779 --> 00:24:42,513
- They got another Priest...
- Liam Barrett.
- 418
- 00:24:42,515 --> 00:24:45,783
- We reported on him.
- I'm just saying, we did.
- 419
- 00:24:45,785 --> 00:24:48,752
- Okay, but this guy was shuffled around
- from parish to parish every few years,
- 420
- 00:24:48,754 --> 00:24:50,421
- just like Geoghan
- and Porter.
- 421
- 00:24:50,423 --> 00:24:52,423
- I think there's
- a pattern.
- 422
- 00:24:52,425 --> 00:24:54,692
- Sounds thin.
- What else you got?
- 423
- 00:24:54,694 --> 00:24:58,829
- Sacha's got another guy from a
- victims' organization... Phil Saviano.
- 424
- 00:24:58,831 --> 00:25:01,832
- From SNAP? Oh, boy.
- We reported on him too.
- 425
- 00:25:01,834 --> 00:25:04,034
- I thought you were
- watching the game, Steve.
- 426
- 00:25:04,036 --> 00:25:06,604
- - That guy's pretty banged up.
- - We did a couple stories on him.
- 427
- 00:25:06,606 --> 00:25:08,272
- Guy would not stop
- writing letters.
- 428
- 00:25:08,274 --> 00:25:11,041
- He wants a Holy war.
- What, so he's not worth talking to?
- 429
- 00:25:11,043 --> 00:25:13,210
- Where are you on Garabedian?
- I'm working on it.
- 430
- 00:25:13,212 --> 00:25:15,779
- Robby says Macleish
- thinks he's bluffing.
- 431
- 00:25:15,781 --> 00:25:17,948
- I think there's
- something there, Ben.
- 432
- 00:25:17,950 --> 00:25:20,117
- Get me something solid,
- or I'm taking you off it.
- 433
- 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,620
- I don't want us
- chasing our tails on this.
- 434
- 00:25:31,696 --> 00:25:33,697
- Stay away
- from that trap!
- 435
- 00:25:33,699 --> 00:25:36,233
- You couldn't reach that trap
- in a million years, partner.
- 436
- 00:25:36,235 --> 00:25:38,302
- I've reached
- that trap before.
- 437
- 00:25:38,304 --> 00:25:40,137
- Yeah.
- Now, Paul, maybe.
- 438
- 00:25:41,072 --> 00:25:43,173
- How we doing?
- We're good.
- 439
- 00:25:43,175 --> 00:25:46,577
- We're two up on the front.
- Good.
- 440
- 00:25:46,579 --> 00:25:48,546
- How's that new editor
- working out?
- 441
- 00:25:48,548 --> 00:25:50,814
- Well, he doesn't
- like baseball.
- 442
- 00:25:50,816 --> 00:25:54,485
- But, uh, he seems
- like a smart guy.
- 443
- 00:25:54,487 --> 00:25:56,353
- Yeah, I read
- an article about him.
- 444
- 00:25:56,355 --> 00:25:59,924
- Said he's the first Jewish editor
- of the<i> Globe.</i>
- 445
- 00:25:59,926 --> 00:26:02,927
- Must have been
- a slow news day.
- 446
- 00:26:02,929 --> 00:26:05,195
- He got a family, this guy?
- No.
- 447
- 00:26:05,197 --> 00:26:07,064
- He is not married.
- 448
- 00:26:07,066 --> 00:26:10,234
- Divorced?
- I don't think so, no.
- 449
- 00:26:10,236 --> 00:26:13,337
- So the new editor at the<i> Globe</i>
- is an unmarried man of the Jewish faith
- 450
- 00:26:13,339 --> 00:26:15,539
- who hates baseball?
- 451
- 00:26:15,541 --> 00:26:17,575
- Yeah.
- Should have given it to Ben.
- 452
- 00:26:17,577 --> 00:26:19,276
- He's a Bradlee,
- for crying out loud.
- 453
- 00:26:19,278 --> 00:26:23,113
- Didn't raise his hand
- fast enough, I guess.
- 454
- 00:26:23,115 --> 00:26:24,515
- Hey, by the way,
- 455
- 00:26:24,517 --> 00:26:26,750
- I've been reading about this Priest,
- father Barrett.
- 456
- 00:26:26,752 --> 00:26:28,452
- Said you were involved
- with that.
- 457
- 00:26:28,454 --> 00:26:31,355
- Barrett, yeah.
- Bad egg.
- 458
- 00:26:31,357 --> 00:26:34,558
- Lake street asked for help.
- I pitched in.
- 459
- 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:38,395
- Victim said Cardinal law knew about Barrett
- when he came from Philly.
- 460
- 00:26:38,397 --> 00:26:39,964
- Is that true?
- 461
- 00:26:39,966 --> 00:26:42,800
- You know I can't talk
- about the case, Robby.
- 462
- 00:26:42,802 --> 00:26:46,070
- Well... off the record?
- 463
- 00:26:46,072 --> 00:26:48,639
- Off the record,
- I can't talk about it.
- 464
- 00:26:48,641 --> 00:26:51,609
- All right.
- This related to the lawsuit?
- 465
- 00:26:51,611 --> 00:26:53,210
- You know about that?
- 466
- 00:26:54,379 --> 00:26:56,246
- Look,
- 467
- 00:26:56,248 --> 00:26:58,716
- I don't know this guy Baron
- or what his agenda is.
- 468
- 00:26:58,718 --> 00:27:00,985
- Frankly, I don't care.
- 469
- 00:27:00,987 --> 00:27:03,554
- I just don't want to see you
- taking a bullet for him.
- 470
- 00:27:03,556 --> 00:27:05,789
- I think you're away.
- 471
- 00:27:10,996 --> 00:27:13,063
- - Put it over here.
- - Let's go. Let's go.
- 472
- 00:27:13,065 --> 00:27:17,001
- <i>So the other day
- I was on the World Wide Web.</i>
- 473
- 00:27:17,003 --> 00:27:19,470
- <i>Anything you want to know,
- it's right there.</i>
- 474
- 00:27:20,672 --> 00:27:22,840
- Now, I have to admit
- that as a Priest,
- 475
- 00:27:22,842 --> 00:27:25,342
- this makes me
- a little nervous.
- 476
- 00:27:25,344 --> 00:27:28,312
- Should I be worried
- about job security?
- 477
- 00:27:28,314 --> 00:27:31,248
- I don't think so.
- 478
- 00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:34,852
- <i>You see,
- knowledge is one thing.</i>
- 479
- 00:27:34,854 --> 00:27:38,522
- <i>But faith...
- faith is another.</i>
- 480
- 00:27:53,705 --> 00:27:55,539
- Hey.
- 481
- 00:27:55,541 --> 00:27:57,241
- Hey.
- 482
- 00:27:58,643 --> 00:28:01,045
- Shouldn't you be
- golfing or something?
- 483
- 00:28:01,047 --> 00:28:02,946
- Golfing's not a verb.
- 484
- 00:28:02,948 --> 00:28:05,015
- And I couldn't get
- a tee time.
- 485
- 00:28:05,017 --> 00:28:07,351
- Is that what they call it?
- Tee time?
- 486
- 00:28:07,353 --> 00:28:09,853
- They also call it
- a leisure activity.
- 487
- 00:28:09,855 --> 00:28:12,356
- You oughta try it, Mike.
- I do. I run.
- 488
- 00:28:12,358 --> 00:28:14,358
- Yeah. You run to work.
- 489
- 00:28:16,829 --> 00:28:19,129
- So why are you
- here today?
- 490
- 00:28:19,131 --> 00:28:21,732
- Going over these clips of Saviano.
- Yep.
- 491
- 00:28:21,734 --> 00:28:25,469
- Ben and Steve think it's a dead end.
- They gave me a bunch of crap about it at the game.
- 492
- 00:28:25,471 --> 00:28:27,304
- Yeah, Ben e-mailed me.
- 493
- 00:28:27,306 --> 00:28:29,840
- He did?
- Yeah.
- 494
- 00:28:29,842 --> 00:28:32,409
- He said
- we should let it go.
- 495
- 00:28:32,411 --> 00:28:34,478
- What do you want to do?
- 496
- 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,680
- I want to bring Saviano in.
- 497
- 00:28:36,682 --> 00:28:39,149
- So, just ignore those guys?
- 498
- 00:28:42,187 --> 00:28:44,855
- I think we oughta start
- ignoring everybody on this one.
- 499
- 00:28:44,857 --> 00:28:47,725
- I'm good with that.
- 500
- 00:28:47,727 --> 00:28:49,393
- Well...
- 501
- 00:28:51,596 --> 00:28:54,898
- do you think Marty has any idea
- what's coming down the pike?
- 502
- 00:28:54,900 --> 00:28:58,001
- Nope.
- I don't think he cares either.
- 503
- 00:28:58,003 --> 00:29:00,070
- That's refreshing.
- 504
- 00:29:00,072 --> 00:29:02,172
- Yeah.
- 505
- 00:29:03,374 --> 00:29:05,175
- Unless he's wrong.
- 506
- 00:29:23,595 --> 00:29:26,864
- <i>I've always been fascinated
- with the newspaper business.</i>
- 507
- 00:29:26,866 --> 00:29:31,468
- I used to sit in on the lectures with the
- neiman fellows when I was at Harvard.
- 508
- 00:29:32,570 --> 00:29:35,739
- I, uh... I read that you
- were an editor once.
- 509
- 00:29:35,741 --> 00:29:38,208
- Ah, yes.
- 510
- 00:29:38,210 --> 00:29:40,744
- Yeah, that was
- a very long time ago.
- 511
- 00:29:40,746 --> 00:29:43,113
- The<i> Mississippi Register.</i>
- 512
- 00:29:43,115 --> 00:29:47,284
- Small diocesan newspaper.
- 513
- 00:29:47,286 --> 00:29:52,756
- But for a 30-year-old pastor,
- it was a big responsibility.
- 514
- 00:29:52,758 --> 00:29:54,458
- Too much at times.
- 515
- 00:29:55,493 --> 00:29:57,027
- How so?
- 516
- 00:29:58,897 --> 00:30:01,298
- I was close
- with the evers brothers.
- 517
- 00:30:01,300 --> 00:30:03,934
- We took a stand
- on civil rights.
- 518
- 00:30:03,936 --> 00:30:07,004
- Our readership
- was not pleased.
- 519
- 00:30:07,006 --> 00:30:09,373
- They saw me
- as a meddling outsider.
- 520
- 00:30:10,775 --> 00:30:12,676
- I can imagine.
- 521
- 00:30:12,678 --> 00:30:17,347
- Tough seat to sit in,
- especially in a small town.
- 522
- 00:30:17,349 --> 00:30:21,418
- I think you'll find that Boston's still
- a small town too, Marty,
- 523
- 00:30:21,420 --> 00:30:22,853
- in many ways.
- 524
- 00:30:22,855 --> 00:30:24,521
- Hmm.
- 525
- 00:30:24,523 --> 00:30:29,193
- But if I can be of any help, Marty,
- don't hesitate to ask.
- 526
- 00:30:29,195 --> 00:30:32,196
- I find
- that the city flourishes
- 527
- 00:30:32,198 --> 00:30:34,565
- when its great institutions
- work together.
- 528
- 00:30:35,967 --> 00:30:37,801
- Thank you.
- 529
- 00:30:37,803 --> 00:30:41,004
- Personally I'm of the opinion that for
- a paper to best perform its function,
- 530
- 00:30:41,006 --> 00:30:44,041
- it really needs
- to stand alone.
- 531
- 00:30:45,777 --> 00:30:47,945
- Ah. Of course.
- 532
- 00:30:48,980 --> 00:30:51,014
- But my offer still stands.
- 533
- 00:30:51,016 --> 00:30:53,717
- Thank you.
- 534
- 00:30:53,719 --> 00:30:55,819
- Come in.
- 535
- 00:30:55,821 --> 00:30:57,554
- Ah.
- 536
- 00:30:59,157 --> 00:31:01,124
- Thank you, Maureen.
- 537
- 00:31:03,061 --> 00:31:04,962
- A little gift, Marty.
- 538
- 00:31:06,231 --> 00:31:10,701
- Think of it as a Cardinal's guide
- to the city of Boston.
- 539
- 00:31:27,151 --> 00:31:29,319
- I'm here to see
- Sacha Pfeiffer.
- 540
- 00:31:29,321 --> 00:31:31,722
- Your name?
- Phil Saviano.
- 541
- 00:31:31,724 --> 00:31:33,557
- Okay, just a minute.
- Mm-hmm.
- 542
- 00:31:34,592 --> 00:31:36,927
- So, am I the first survivor
- you've talked to?
- 543
- 00:31:36,929 --> 00:31:38,562
- Yeah, Phil, you are.
- 544
- 00:31:38,564 --> 00:31:40,764
- Okay, well,
- 545
- 00:31:40,766 --> 00:31:45,102
- first of all let me say thank you
- for having me in today.
- 546
- 00:31:45,104 --> 00:31:49,339
- And I want you to know that you have the
- full cooperation of my organization, SNAP.
- 547
- 00:31:49,341 --> 00:31:51,441
- How many members are in
- your organization, Phil?
- 548
- 00:31:51,443 --> 00:31:53,944
- We had 11
- at our last chapter meeting...
- 549
- 00:31:53,946 --> 00:31:56,446
- uh, no, um, 10.
- Karen just moved.
- 550
- 00:31:56,448 --> 00:31:59,182
- You had a woman in your group?
- Of course.
- 551
- 00:31:59,184 --> 00:32:01,518
- They don't discriminate,
- not when it comes to abuse.
- 552
- 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,587
- And this has nothing to do
- with being gay.
- 553
- 00:32:03,589 --> 00:32:06,189
- What this is is Priests
- using the collar to rape kids.
- 554
- 00:32:06,191 --> 00:32:08,759
- Kids.
- Boys and girls.
- 555
- 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,534
- I was 11,
- 556
- 00:32:17,536 --> 00:32:21,471
- and I was preyed upon by father
- David Holley in Worcester.
- 557
- 00:32:21,473 --> 00:32:24,308
- And I don't mean prayed for.
- I mean preyed upon.
- 558
- 00:32:26,110 --> 00:32:29,079
- - Are any of you catholic?
- - I was raised catholic.
- 559
- 00:32:29,081 --> 00:32:32,649
- Now I go to my wife's
- presbyterian church.
- 560
- 00:32:32,651 --> 00:32:34,251
- I'm lapsed.
- 561
- 00:32:34,253 --> 00:32:36,320
- I go to church
- with my grandmother sometimes.
- 562
- 00:32:36,322 --> 00:32:39,957
- It's safe to say we were all
- raised catholic, but now...
- 563
- 00:32:39,959 --> 00:32:41,825
- not so much.
- Okay.
- 564
- 00:32:41,827 --> 00:32:43,827
- Well, let me tell you,
- 565
- 00:32:43,829 --> 00:32:47,631
- when you're a poor kid from a poor family,
- religion counts for a lot.
- 566
- 00:32:47,633 --> 00:32:51,301
- And when a Priest pays attention
- to you, it's a big deal.
- 567
- 00:32:51,303 --> 00:32:55,105
- He asks you to collect the hymnals or
- take out the trash, you feel special.
- 568
- 00:32:55,107 --> 00:32:57,341
- It's like God
- asking for help.
- 569
- 00:32:57,343 --> 00:33:00,444
- So maybe it's a little weird
- when he tells you a dirty joke.
- 570
- 00:33:00,446 --> 00:33:05,082
- But now you got a secret together,
- so you go along.
- 571
- 00:33:05,084 --> 00:33:08,485
- Then he shows you a porno mag,
- and you go along.
- 572
- 00:33:08,487 --> 00:33:10,921
- And you go along,
- and you go along,
- 573
- 00:33:10,923 --> 00:33:14,424
- until one day he asks you to jerk him off
- or give him a blow job.
- 574
- 00:33:14,426 --> 00:33:17,794
- And so you go along with that too
- because you feel trapped,
- 575
- 00:33:17,796 --> 00:33:20,430
- because he has groomed you.
- 576
- 00:33:20,432 --> 00:33:22,933
- How do you say no
- to God, right?
- 577
- 00:33:22,935 --> 00:33:27,938
- See, it is important to understand
- that this is not just physical abuse.
- 578
- 00:33:27,940 --> 00:33:30,607
- It's spiritual abuse too.
- 579
- 00:33:30,609 --> 00:33:35,612
- And when a Priest does this to you,
- he robs you of your faith.
- 580
- 00:33:35,614 --> 00:33:37,814
- So you reach for the bottle
- or the needle,
- 581
- 00:33:37,816 --> 00:33:40,650
- or if those don't work,
- you jump off a bridge.
- 582
- 00:33:40,652 --> 00:33:42,786
- That's why
- we call ourselves survivors.
- 583
- 00:33:42,788 --> 00:33:45,789
- Have you read Jason Berry's book?
- He wrote about the Gauthe case in Louisiana.
- 584
- 00:33:45,791 --> 00:33:48,025
- That's G... G-A-U-T-H-E.
- 585
- 00:33:48,027 --> 00:33:50,227
- Here. And talk to Richard Sipe.
- 586
- 00:33:50,229 --> 00:33:52,529
- He worked in one of the church's
- treatment centers.
- 587
- 00:33:52,531 --> 00:33:55,599
- He's an ex-Priest.
- Married a nun.
- 588
- 00:33:56,667 --> 00:33:59,803
- Here. This is his testimony
- from the Kos case.
- 589
- 00:33:59,805 --> 00:34:01,371
- Phil, what's a treatment center?
- 590
- 00:34:01,373 --> 00:34:03,573
- It's where they send Priests
- when they get caught.
- 591
- 00:34:03,575 --> 00:34:06,576
- This is all here in the box.
- I sent this to you guys five years ago.
- 592
- 00:34:06,578 --> 00:34:10,247
- Uh, to the<i> Globe?</i>
- Who did you send it to?
- 593
- 00:34:12,083 --> 00:34:14,751
- I don't wanna say who, but they
- said they weren't interested.
- 594
- 00:34:14,753 --> 00:34:18,021
- But we did run a couple stories on you.
- I saw them in the clips.
- 595
- 00:34:18,023 --> 00:34:21,491
- Yeah, but to be completely frank,
- it wasn't enough.
- 596
- 00:34:22,927 --> 00:34:25,595
- You guys gotta understand.
- 597
- 00:34:25,597 --> 00:34:27,164
- This is big.
- 598
- 00:34:27,166 --> 00:34:31,034
- This is not just Boston.
- It's the whole country. It's the whole world.
- 599
- 00:34:31,036 --> 00:34:33,103
- And it goes right up
- to the Vatican.
- 600
- 00:34:33,105 --> 00:34:35,272
- Do you have any proof
- of that, Phil?
- 601
- 00:34:35,274 --> 00:34:37,774
- No. Not yet.
- But there are so many of them.
- 602
- 00:34:37,776 --> 00:34:40,110
- How else could they
- have hidden it for so long?
- 603
- 00:34:40,112 --> 00:34:43,080
- - So many what?
- - Priests!
- 604
- 00:34:43,082 --> 00:34:45,248
- Priests!
- 605
- 00:34:45,250 --> 00:34:47,584
- I know of 13
- right here in Boston.
- 606
- 00:34:47,586 --> 00:34:51,288
- You know 13 Priests in Boston
- who have molested children?
- 607
- 00:34:51,290 --> 00:34:53,857
- Yeah! Why do you keep
- repeating everything I say?
- 608
- 00:34:53,859 --> 00:34:56,226
- I just like to clarify things.
- 609
- 00:34:56,228 --> 00:34:59,896
- Maybe you should have clarified it five years
- ago when I sent you all of this stuff.
- 610
- 00:34:59,898 --> 00:35:02,199
- It's all right here.
- 611
- 00:35:10,875 --> 00:35:12,809
- May I use
- your bathroom?
- 612
- 00:35:12,811 --> 00:35:15,378
- Yeah, sure, Phil.
- Come on.
- 613
- 00:35:22,053 --> 00:35:24,988
- Well,
- what do you think?
- 614
- 00:35:24,990 --> 00:35:27,491
- Well, the guy's got an agenda,
- that's for sure.
- 615
- 00:35:27,493 --> 00:35:29,559
- You think?
- He's obviously been through a lot.
- 616
- 00:35:29,561 --> 00:35:31,428
- But he's smart,
- and if he's right about 13 Priests...
- 617
- 00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:34,831
- yeah, it might be a big "if" with this guy.
- Do a background check on him.
- 618
- 00:35:34,833 --> 00:35:37,400
- And follow up with some
- of the other survivors of his group.
- 619
- 00:35:37,402 --> 00:35:39,803
- I'll track down
- this ex-Priest, Sipe.
- 620
- 00:35:39,805 --> 00:35:41,671
- Okay, but stay on Garabedian.
- That's more important.
- 621
- 00:35:41,673 --> 00:35:44,274
- Ah. Garabedian.
- What a pain in the ass.
- 622
- 00:35:44,276 --> 00:35:47,144
- You can be
- a pain in the ass, Mike.
- 623
- 00:35:47,146 --> 00:35:48,712
- Mmm.
- 624
- 00:35:59,624 --> 00:36:02,159
- Mitchell, what a surprise.
- How are you?
- 625
- 00:36:02,161 --> 00:36:03,860
- I'm fine, Mr. Rezendes.
- Good.
- 626
- 00:36:03,862 --> 00:36:06,429
- I haven't heard back from you.
- I left you a couple of messages.
- 627
- 00:36:06,431 --> 00:36:08,632
- I've been very busy.
- I-I don't have time for calls.
- 628
- 00:36:08,634 --> 00:36:11,001
- I'm sure you don't.
- Listen, listen, Mitch.
- 629
- 00:36:11,003 --> 00:36:14,137
- Let me talk to a couple of the victims.
- You could sit in on the interview.
- 630
- 00:36:14,139 --> 00:36:16,106
- If you're not happy,
- you could kill it.
- 631
- 00:36:16,108 --> 00:36:18,708
- I spoke to my clients. They don't want
- to be in the press. I'm sorry.
- 632
- 00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:21,144
- I get that, but I don't
- need to name names.
- 633
- 00:36:21,146 --> 00:36:23,513
- I don't believe you, Mr. Rezendes.
- I'm sure you don't.
- 634
- 00:36:23,515 --> 00:36:26,016
- Listen, Mitchell.
- Look, Mr. Rezendes, please...
- 635
- 00:36:26,018 --> 00:36:29,186
- I'm not writing a profile here.
- I'm working on something bigger.
- 636
- 00:36:29,188 --> 00:36:31,354
- Bigger? I don't know
- what that means.
- 637
- 00:36:31,356 --> 00:36:34,624
- I'm not supposed to tell you this,
- but I'm digging around for Spotlight.
- 638
- 00:36:36,060 --> 00:36:38,161
- Spotlight's on this?
- Yeah, we're looking into it.
- 639
- 00:36:38,163 --> 00:36:42,465
- But you gotta help me. You gotta let me
- talk to some of these victims. Please.
- 640
- 00:36:45,570 --> 00:36:46,970
- Please.
- 641
- 00:36:50,142 --> 00:36:52,742
- Come back tomorrow, 9:30 am.
- 642
- 00:36:52,744 --> 00:36:54,477
- Thank you.
- 643
- 00:37:06,924 --> 00:37:08,391
- Ms. Pfeiffer?
- Joe?
- 644
- 00:37:08,393 --> 00:37:09,759
- Oh, shoot!
- 645
- 00:37:09,761 --> 00:37:11,761
- That's okay.
- Sorry. Please sit.
- 646
- 00:37:11,763 --> 00:37:13,430
- Thank you.
- 647
- 00:37:13,432 --> 00:37:16,333
- Is this table okay?
- This is perfect.
- 648
- 00:37:16,335 --> 00:37:19,236
- I had a muffin
- while I was waiting.
- 649
- 00:37:19,238 --> 00:37:22,339
- Two, actually.
- I eat when I'm nervous.
- 650
- 00:37:22,341 --> 00:37:24,708
- I do that too,
- actually.
- 651
- 00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:27,844
- I hope I'm not late.
- Phil told me 1:00.
- 652
- 00:37:27,846 --> 00:37:31,114
- No, you're fine.
- I got here early.
- 653
- 00:37:31,116 --> 00:37:33,350
- About an hour.
- 654
- 00:37:34,785 --> 00:37:38,455
- Um, would you mind if I took some notes?
- Would that be all right?
- 655
- 00:37:43,561 --> 00:37:46,296
- You don't mind if I
- take some notes, do you?
- 656
- 00:37:46,298 --> 00:37:49,132
- - Are you gonna use my name?
- - No.
- 657
- 00:37:49,134 --> 00:37:51,868
- Not if you
- don't want me to, no.
- 658
- 00:37:51,870 --> 00:37:53,803
- I just had a kid.
- 659
- 00:37:53,805 --> 00:37:56,873
- He's only one, but I'm not sure
- I want him to know about this.
- 660
- 00:37:56,875 --> 00:37:58,808
- Sure. I get that.
- 661
- 00:37:58,810 --> 00:38:01,978
- You can stop this interview at
- any time, Patrick. All right?
- 662
- 00:38:01,980 --> 00:38:03,713
- Okay.
- All right.
- 663
- 00:38:04,749 --> 00:38:07,484
- Go ahead with your notes.
- 664
- 00:38:07,486 --> 00:38:09,452
- Okay. So, um...
- 665
- 00:38:11,455 --> 00:38:13,556
- where'd you live
- when it first happened?
- 666
- 00:38:14,458 --> 00:38:16,660
- In the projects,
- over in Hyde Park.
- 667
- 00:38:16,662 --> 00:38:18,495
- Over by the Stop & Shop?
- 668
- 00:38:18,497 --> 00:38:21,331
- Yeah. You know it?
- 669
- 00:38:21,333 --> 00:38:23,566
- Yeah, I drove a cab
- for a few years.
- 670
- 00:38:23,568 --> 00:38:26,336
- Open early.
- Bad coffee, right?
- 671
- 00:38:26,338 --> 00:38:28,405
- Yeah. I guess.
- 672
- 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,175
- How old were you
- when it happened?
- 673
- 00:38:32,177 --> 00:38:33,843
- I was 12.
- 674
- 00:38:34,845 --> 00:38:37,013
- Just after my dad
- killed himself.
- 675
- 00:38:37,015 --> 00:38:39,516
- Oh, geez.
- 676
- 00:38:39,518 --> 00:38:41,484
- He was a real
- piece of shit.
- 677
- 00:38:41,486 --> 00:38:43,787
- And my Mom,
- she wasn't so stable either.
- 678
- 00:38:43,789 --> 00:38:46,189
- How do you mean?
- I mean she was nuts.
- 679
- 00:38:46,191 --> 00:38:48,124
- She was
- a schizophrenic.
- 680
- 00:38:48,126 --> 00:38:49,759
- Same shit.
- 681
- 00:38:51,662 --> 00:38:53,530
- When did you
- first meet Geoghan?
- 682
- 00:38:53,532 --> 00:38:59,703
- Well, my sister, she saw him
- over in the Dunkin' Donuts.
- 683
- 00:38:59,705 --> 00:39:02,639
- Tells him about my old man passing,
- and he rushed right over.
- 684
- 00:39:02,641 --> 00:39:06,710
- This nun, sister Barbara, ran this
- group for kids from troubled families.
- 685
- 00:39:06,712 --> 00:39:09,212
- Mm-hmm.
- Where was that?
- 686
- 00:39:09,214 --> 00:39:11,381
- Uh, St. Ambrose
- in Dorchester.
- 687
- 00:39:11,383 --> 00:39:13,183
- Okay.
- 688
- 00:39:13,185 --> 00:39:15,785
- She's the one who introduced me
- to father Shanley.
- 689
- 00:39:17,188 --> 00:39:19,222
- He was a street Priest.
- 690
- 00:39:19,224 --> 00:39:22,158
- Long hair. Very hip.
- 691
- 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,828
- He invited me to his apartment
- in back bay.
- 692
- 00:39:24,830 --> 00:39:27,697
- Where in Back Bay?
- Beacon Street.
- 693
- 00:39:27,699 --> 00:39:30,033
- Beacon. Okay.
- Are you from here?
- 694
- 00:39:30,035 --> 00:39:33,870
- Uh, no. I grew up in Ohio,
- but my Mom's from Southie.
- 695
- 00:39:33,872 --> 00:39:37,807
- All right, so you get it.
- I'd never even seen back bay.
- 696
- 00:39:38,909 --> 00:39:42,679
- So what happened
- on that first visit, Joe?
- 697
- 00:39:42,681 --> 00:39:46,816
- Well, he was very nice at first,
- very funny, very casual.
- 698
- 00:39:47,752 --> 00:39:50,820
- And I think
- he could tell I was gay,
- 699
- 00:39:50,822 --> 00:39:54,257
- so he showed me this mobile he had,
- like over a baby's crib.
- 700
- 00:39:54,259 --> 00:39:57,660
- Mm-hmm.
- But with different words.
- 701
- 00:39:57,662 --> 00:40:00,697
- "Homosexual."
- "Transsexual." "Bisexual."
- 702
- 00:40:00,699 --> 00:40:03,600
- Okay. And did you know
- you were gay at that time, Joe?
- 703
- 00:40:03,602 --> 00:40:05,668
- Yeah.
- 704
- 00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:09,105
- But that wasn't information I was sharing
- with anybody. Not in Dorchester.
- 705
- 00:40:10,207 --> 00:40:11,841
- Okay.
- 706
- 00:40:11,843 --> 00:40:14,844
- So, what happened
- after he showed you the mobile?
- 707
- 00:40:14,846 --> 00:40:17,781
- Well, I was
- a little freaked out.
- 708
- 00:40:17,783 --> 00:40:20,517
- I think he could tell.
- 709
- 00:40:20,519 --> 00:40:24,154
- So he said, you know, what'll help
- is if we play strip poker.
- 710
- 00:40:25,623 --> 00:40:27,590
- Of course I lost.
- 711
- 00:40:28,859 --> 00:40:30,960
- And, uh, things
- went on from there.
- 712
- 00:40:32,062 --> 00:40:34,531
- Can you tell me
- specifically what happened?
- 713
- 00:40:35,966 --> 00:40:38,201
- Specifically, he...
- 714
- 00:40:38,203 --> 00:40:39,936
- he molested me.
- 715
- 00:40:43,140 --> 00:40:47,310
- Joe, I think that the language
- is gonna be so important here.
- 716
- 00:40:47,312 --> 00:40:50,747
- We can't sanitize this.
- Just saying "molest" isn't enough.
- 717
- 00:40:50,749 --> 00:40:53,716
- People need to know
- what actually happened.
- 718
- 00:40:56,821 --> 00:40:59,155
- We should probably get these to go.
- Right.
- 719
- 00:40:59,157 --> 00:41:02,992
- Geoghan shows up, and my Mom,
- you know, she's...
- 720
- 00:41:02,994 --> 00:41:04,661
- she's thrilled.
- 721
- 00:41:04,663 --> 00:41:07,931
- I mean, this was like God
- showing up, you know?
- 722
- 00:41:07,933 --> 00:41:10,800
- Sure. Right.
- So what happened then?
- 723
- 00:41:13,404 --> 00:41:15,338
- You really want
- to hear this shit?
- 724
- 00:41:15,340 --> 00:41:17,907
- Yeah. Yeah, Patrick, I do.
- 725
- 00:41:25,850 --> 00:41:28,518
- He offers to take me
- to get ice cream.
- 726
- 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,754
- You know, he's a Priest,
- I'm a kid, so I go.
- 727
- 00:41:31,756 --> 00:41:33,523
- Sure.
- 728
- 00:41:33,525 --> 00:41:35,892
- So we're driving home and he...
- 729
- 00:41:38,429 --> 00:41:40,830
- he starts patting my leg and...
- 730
- 00:41:42,466 --> 00:41:44,067
- you know, then...
- 731
- 00:41:45,436 --> 00:41:48,805
- His hand just slides
- right up and he...
- 732
- 00:41:48,807 --> 00:41:51,040
- he grabs my dick.
- 733
- 00:41:51,042 --> 00:41:53,543
- You know, I...
- I just froze up.
- 734
- 00:41:53,545 --> 00:41:56,779
- I was fucking petrified.
- I-I couldn't move.
- 735
- 00:41:56,781 --> 00:41:59,782
- I didn't know what to do.
- I was just a little kid.
- 736
- 00:42:01,452 --> 00:42:03,119
- Yeah.
- 737
- 00:42:07,157 --> 00:42:09,726
- You know, I never even
- touched my ice cream.
- 738
- 00:42:09,728 --> 00:42:12,128
- It just melted down my arm.
- 739
- 00:42:18,402 --> 00:42:20,069
- Did you, um...
- 740
- 00:42:21,405 --> 00:42:24,107
- did you see him again
- after that?
- 741
- 00:42:28,979 --> 00:42:30,647
- Yeah.
- 742
- 00:42:33,384 --> 00:42:37,186
- All right. That's good.
- Let's stop there for now.
- 743
- 00:42:37,188 --> 00:42:38,555
- Sure.
- 744
- 00:42:38,557 --> 00:42:41,758
- He said it was a way to make me
- more comfortable with my body.
- 745
- 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,661
- Mmm. So what happened
- after that?
- 746
- 00:42:44,663 --> 00:42:47,430
- Well, he took off
- his clothes and he said,
- 747
- 00:42:47,432 --> 00:42:49,065
- "I've been so depressed,
- 748
- 00:42:49,067 --> 00:42:52,168
- but maybe you can cheer me up
- and give me a blow job."
- 749
- 00:42:52,170 --> 00:42:53,836
- Classy guy.
- 750
- 00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,307
- And did you?
- Yeah.
- 751
- 00:42:58,409 --> 00:43:00,343
- I know you
- must be thinking,
- 752
- 00:43:00,345 --> 00:43:03,780
- why would I ever do that to some creepy
- guy who's 30 years older than me?
- 753
- 00:43:03,782 --> 00:43:07,917
- But what you have to understand is
- that this is the first time in my life
- 754
- 00:43:07,919 --> 00:43:10,520
- that someone told me
- that it was okay to be gay.
- 755
- 00:43:10,522 --> 00:43:13,389
- And it was a Priest.
- Right.
- 756
- 00:43:13,391 --> 00:43:15,525
- So you had oral sex.
- 757
- 00:43:15,527 --> 00:43:18,027
- Did you have
- intercourse?
- 758
- 00:43:18,029 --> 00:43:19,562
- Yes.
- 759
- 00:43:19,564 --> 00:43:21,764
- Not then, but later.
- 760
- 00:43:22,700 --> 00:43:24,968
- It really messed me up.
- 761
- 00:43:26,303 --> 00:43:29,806
- I'm sober now, but that... that was
- the beginning of it all.
- 762
- 00:43:31,909 --> 00:43:34,811
- It's very confusing,
- you know,
- 763
- 00:43:34,813 --> 00:43:37,981
- to be introduced to sex
- like that and then...
- 764
- 00:43:37,983 --> 00:43:40,383
- and then to be
- attracted to men, it's...
- 765
- 00:43:42,753 --> 00:43:45,888
- I'm sorry.
- I knew I was gonna do this.
- 766
- 00:43:45,890 --> 00:43:47,824
- Oh, I'm sorry.
- Don't be sorry.
- 767
- 00:43:47,826 --> 00:43:49,926
- It's okay, Joe.
- It's okay.
- 768
- 00:43:49,928 --> 00:43:52,061
- Of course there is
- a church right there.
- 769
- 00:43:52,063 --> 00:43:54,831
- And a playground.
- 770
- 00:43:54,833 --> 00:43:57,500
- Joe, did you ever
- try and tell anyone?
- 771
- 00:43:57,502 --> 00:44:00,236
- Like who? A Priest?
- 772
- 00:44:00,238 --> 00:44:02,739
- Can I use your phone?
- 773
- 00:44:02,741 --> 00:44:05,174
- Yeah, sure.
- You know where it is.
- 774
- 00:44:05,176 --> 00:44:07,377
- You can use my name
- if you want.
- 775
- 00:44:08,412 --> 00:44:09,846
- Thanks, Patrick.
- 776
- 00:44:09,848 --> 00:44:13,082
- Don't thank me. Just get
- these assholes, will you?
- 777
- 00:44:18,956 --> 00:44:21,257
- He's one of the lucky ones.
- 778
- 00:44:22,359 --> 00:44:24,427
- He's still alive.
- 779
- 00:44:32,303 --> 00:44:34,971
- Do you want a cup of tea, Sacha?
- I'm okay, Nana. Thanks.
- 780
- 00:44:38,376 --> 00:44:41,010
- <i>Hello?</i> Hi, Joe.
- It's Sacha Pfeiffer.
- 781
- 00:44:41,012 --> 00:44:43,379
- <i>Hi, Sacha. How are you?</i>
- I'm good, thanks.
- 782
- 00:44:43,381 --> 00:44:47,483
- Um, listen, Joe, I just wanted to
- follow up on one thing.
- 783
- 00:44:47,485 --> 00:44:50,119
- You talked to Phil Saviano
- about all of this, right?
- 784
- 00:44:50,121 --> 00:44:52,488
- <i>Yeah, I did.
- I went to a couple of SNAP meetings.</i>
- 785
- 00:44:52,490 --> 00:44:55,558
- And did Phil ever suggest
- you do anything about it?
- 786
- 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,461
- <i>No. The meetings
- weren't really about that.</i>
- 787
- 00:44:58,463 --> 00:45:02,198
- <i>A couple of them had gone to a lawyer,
- but I didn't think it was worth it.</i>
- 788
- 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:03,833
- Why not?
- 789
- 00:45:03,835 --> 00:45:06,669
- <i>There were just so many forms to fill out.
- It was overwhelming.</i>
- 790
- 00:45:06,671 --> 00:45:09,238
- <i>And he said he could only get me
- a small settlement, so...</i>
- 791
- 00:45:09,240 --> 00:45:11,974
- wh-who said that?
- <i>The lawyer told me that.</i>
- 792
- 00:45:12,910 --> 00:45:15,978
- So you<i> did</i> go
- and see a lawyer?
- 793
- 00:45:15,980 --> 00:45:20,083
- <i>Yeah, but I didn't end up using him,
- so I didn't think it was important.</i>
- 794
- 00:45:20,085 --> 00:45:22,418
- <i>I'm sorry.
- I'm not trying to hide anything.</i>
- 795
- 00:45:22,420 --> 00:45:24,087
- No, I-I-I know, Joe.
- 796
- 00:45:24,089 --> 00:45:26,656
- Do you remember his name?
- The lawyer?
- 797
- 00:45:26,658 --> 00:45:29,525
- <i>No. But maybe Phil
- would know.</i>
- 798
- 00:45:29,527 --> 00:45:33,763
- <i>The guy was on TV a lot during the
- Porter case. He was handsome.</i>
- 799
- 00:45:33,765 --> 00:45:35,331
- Was it Eric Macleish?
- 800
- 00:45:35,333 --> 00:45:37,867
- <i>Yeah, that's it.
- Macleish.</i>
- 801
- 00:45:37,869 --> 00:45:39,902
- <i>I thought
- he was very handsome.</i>
- 802
- 00:45:42,707 --> 00:45:44,574
- - Hey.
- - Hey.
- 803
- 00:45:44,576 --> 00:45:47,777
- I was just in the newsroom.
- Judge Sweeney set a date for the hearing.
- 804
- 00:45:47,779 --> 00:45:49,946
- Really? When?
- Two weeks.
- 805
- 00:45:49,948 --> 00:45:51,447
- In Springfield.
- Oh.
- 806
- 00:45:51,449 --> 00:45:53,616
- Canellos started a pool.
- Ten bucks to get in.
- 807
- 00:45:53,618 --> 00:45:56,285
- Anyone picking the<i> Globe?</i>
- 808
- 00:45:56,287 --> 00:45:58,607
- He's only taking bets
- on how fast Sweeney rules against us.
- 809
- 00:46:00,125 --> 00:46:02,024
- Robby.
- <i>Hi. It's me.</i>
- 810
- 00:46:02,026 --> 00:46:03,693
- <i>Did you get my message?</i>
- I did.
- 811
- 00:46:03,695 --> 00:46:05,928
- Looks like father Shanley
- could be our fourth Priest.
- 812
- 00:46:05,930 --> 00:46:07,563
- <i>Yeah, I think he is.</i>
- 813
- 00:46:07,565 --> 00:46:10,299
- Did you follow up with Macleish?
- <i>I just talked to Phil.</i>
- 814
- 00:46:10,301 --> 00:46:12,468
- <i>He said Macleish dealt
- with a number of these cases.</i>
- 815
- 00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:15,104
- <i>Guess he forgot</i>
- <i>to mention that.</i> Yeah.
- 816
- 00:46:15,106 --> 00:46:17,106
- I'm gonna go to
- the courthouse tomorrow,
- 817
- 00:46:17,108 --> 00:46:19,776
- see if I can find any cases
- he settled against the church.
- 818
- 00:46:19,778 --> 00:46:22,078
- <i>All right. Call me after you do.
- Good night.</i>
- 819
- 00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:23,646
- Okay. Good night.
- 820
- 00:46:26,483 --> 00:46:27,984
- Hey.
- 821
- 00:46:27,986 --> 00:46:29,986
- You wanted to, uh, chat?
- Yeah.
- 822
- 00:46:29,988 --> 00:46:32,889
- I'm late for a dinner.
- Wanna walk me out? Sure.
- 823
- 00:46:34,091 --> 00:46:37,827
- Geez. Does that guy ever go home?
- Apparently not.
- 824
- 00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:41,597
- I got guys who won't leave till he does.
- He's wearing out the goddamn newsroom.
- 825
- 00:46:41,599 --> 00:46:45,501
- Where are we on Geoghan?
- Following up on more victims.
- 826
- 00:46:45,503 --> 00:46:48,471
- I want to expand the investigation.
- Why?
- 827
- 00:46:48,473 --> 00:46:51,774
- We got a fourth Priest.
- There might be as many as 13.
- 828
- 00:46:51,776 --> 00:46:53,843
- Thirteen?
- Yeah.
- 829
- 00:46:53,845 --> 00:46:56,445
- Who's your source?
- Phil Saviano.
- 830
- 00:46:56,447 --> 00:46:59,315
- Jesus Christ, Robby. I told Mike
- that guy's a fuckin'... I know, I know.
- 831
- 00:46:59,317 --> 00:47:01,684
- I think Saviano
- might be legit, Ben.
- 832
- 00:47:02,853 --> 00:47:04,587
- Want to elaborate
- on that?
- 833
- 00:47:04,589 --> 00:47:06,856
- No. Not really.
- 834
- 00:47:06,858 --> 00:47:10,393
- It just feels like this thing's stacking up.
- That's my gut.
- 835
- 00:47:13,464 --> 00:47:15,498
- Okay.
- Okay. Good.
- 836
- 00:47:15,500 --> 00:47:17,233
- Thank you.
- 837
- 00:47:24,842 --> 00:47:27,310
- Hello?
- 838
- 00:47:27,312 --> 00:47:29,145
- <i>Mr. Rezendes?</i>
- 839
- 00:47:29,147 --> 00:47:30,780
- Uh, yeah. Who's this?
- 840
- 00:47:30,782 --> 00:47:32,548
- <i>It's Richard Sipe.</i>
- 841
- 00:47:32,550 --> 00:47:34,817
- Oh, yeah. Hey, Richard.
- How are you?
- 842
- 00:47:34,819 --> 00:47:36,619
- <i>I'm good.</i>
- Uh, thanks for calling.
- 843
- 00:47:36,621 --> 00:47:39,655
- Look, uh, Phil Saviano
- g-gave me your name.
- 844
- 00:47:39,657 --> 00:47:42,058
- I was wondering if I could ask you
- a few questions.
- 845
- 00:47:42,060 --> 00:47:43,559
- <i>Of course. Yeah.</i>
- Great.
- 846
- 00:47:43,561 --> 00:47:46,295
- Uh, so Phil told me
- that you were working
- 847
- 00:47:46,297 --> 00:47:49,565
- a-at one of the church's
- treatment centers in Baltimore.
- 848
- 00:47:49,567 --> 00:47:52,401
- <i>Yes. The Seton
- Psychiatric Institute.</i>
- 849
- 00:47:52,403 --> 00:47:54,403
- <i>It was run by
- the daughters of charity.</i>
- 850
- 00:47:54,405 --> 00:47:57,874
- And, uh,
- when was that, Richard?
- 851
- 00:47:57,876 --> 00:48:02,378
- <i>Well, I started my psychotherapy
- fellowship there in 1965,</i>
- 852
- 00:48:02,380 --> 00:48:04,547
- okay.
- <i>And I was there for five years,</i>
- 853
- 00:48:04,549 --> 00:48:08,584
- <i>but I spent the next 30 studying
- abusive Priests and their victims.</i>
- 854
- 00:48:08,586 --> 00:48:10,086
- Really?
- <i>Mm-hmm.</i>
- 855
- 00:48:10,088 --> 00:48:12,188
- And that's... that's been
- your sole focus?
- 856
- 00:48:12,190 --> 00:48:17,093
- <i>Look, Mike, the church wants us to believe
- that it's just a few bad apples.</i>
- 857
- 00:48:17,095 --> 00:48:19,061
- <i>But it's a much bigger problem
- than that.</i>
- 858
- 00:48:19,063 --> 00:48:20,863
- How much bigger, Richard?
- 859
- 00:48:20,865 --> 00:48:22,899
- <i>Well, based on the research,</i>
- 860
- 00:48:22,901 --> 00:48:26,669
- <i>I would classify it as a recognizable
- psychiatric phenomenon.</i>
- 861
- 00:48:27,671 --> 00:48:29,472
- That's big.
- 862
- 00:48:34,177 --> 00:48:35,945
- Hey, Mac.
- Hey.
- 863
- 00:48:35,947 --> 00:48:39,582
- If I wanted historical data on a Priest,
- parishes he's been assigned to,
- 864
- 00:48:39,584 --> 00:48:41,050
- where would I find that?
- 865
- 00:48:41,052 --> 00:48:43,853
- The Geoghan case? It's all in the clips.
- Lisa has the source material.
- 866
- 00:48:43,855 --> 00:48:46,789
- What if it was for another Priest, one that
- hadn't been in the papers?
- 867
- 00:48:46,791 --> 00:48:49,692
- You're looking at another Priest?
- Who you looking at?
- 868
- 00:48:49,694 --> 00:48:51,260
- Any ideas?
- 869
- 00:48:51,262 --> 00:48:54,063
- Come on, Matt.
- You're not gonna tell me?
- 870
- 00:48:54,065 --> 00:48:56,499
- I gotta get to a meeting.
- Thanks, Mac. Hey, Steve.
- 871
- 00:48:58,035 --> 00:49:01,771
- The archdiocese puts out an annual directory,
- every Priest and parish.
- 872
- 00:49:01,773 --> 00:49:03,306
- That's great.
- 873
- 00:49:03,308 --> 00:49:05,541
- Do these go back
- any further than '98?
- 874
- 00:49:05,543 --> 00:49:07,810
- Oh, yeah. Going back
- to the '80s in the Mez.
- 875
- 00:49:07,812 --> 00:49:09,445
- Beyond that,
- you gotta go to BPL.
- 876
- 00:49:09,447 --> 00:49:12,048
- The Mez, huh?
- Thanks, Lisa. You bet.
- 877
- 00:49:13,150 --> 00:49:15,785
- He said they all target
- the same kind of kid.
- 878
- 00:49:15,787 --> 00:49:19,488
- Low-income families,
- absentee fathers, broken homes.
- 879
- 00:49:19,490 --> 00:49:22,658
- So a guy like Geoghan goes after boys
- not because he prefers them,
- 880
- 00:49:22,660 --> 00:49:25,428
- but because they have more shame,
- less likely to talk.
- 881
- 00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:27,096
- Hmm.
- 882
- 00:49:27,098 --> 00:49:28,764
- These guys are predators, Robby.
- Yeah.
- 883
- 00:49:28,766 --> 00:49:30,333
- I-I-I talked to Sipe.
- 884
- 00:49:30,335 --> 00:49:33,269
- He said he's seen dozens of them
- in the '60s in Seton.
- 885
- 00:49:33,271 --> 00:49:34,937
- He called it
- a "phenomenon."
- 886
- 00:49:34,939 --> 00:49:36,672
- Why didn't he go public?
- He did.
- 887
- 00:49:36,674 --> 00:49:39,308
- But the church made a huge effort
- to discredit him.
- 888
- 00:49:39,310 --> 00:49:42,478
- Smear campaigns,
- public statements by prominent bishops.
- 889
- 00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,348
- It's just like Saviano said.
- And Garabedian.
- 890
- 00:49:45,350 --> 00:49:48,484
- You getting anywhere with him?
- More victims.
- 891
- 00:49:48,486 --> 00:49:50,653
- More victims.
- You can't empty his pockets?
- 892
- 00:49:50,655 --> 00:49:52,855
- I'll get to him.
- I just need more time.
- 893
- 00:49:52,857 --> 00:49:54,757
- Come on, Mike.
- You gotta get him.
- 894
- 00:49:54,759 --> 00:49:56,525
- I'll get him.
- I'll get him.
- 895
- 00:49:59,097 --> 00:50:00,997
- Jesus. What the hell
- is that smell?
- 896
- 00:50:00,999 --> 00:50:03,432
- There's a dead rat
- in the corner.
- 897
- 00:50:03,434 --> 00:50:05,267
- What have you got?
- Church directories.
- 898
- 00:50:05,269 --> 00:50:09,038
- It's every Priest in Massachusetts,
- what parish they're assigned to.
- 899
- 00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,540
- Are these official?
- Yeah. I figured it could help us track down
- 900
- 00:50:11,542 --> 00:50:14,543
- some of the Priests Saviano mentioned,
- maybe find some more victims.
- 901
- 00:50:14,545 --> 00:50:16,712
- Can we turn on some more lights?
- I couldn't find the switch.
- 902
- 00:50:16,714 --> 00:50:19,048
- You wanna borrow my glasses?
- No, I'm good. I'm good.
- 903
- 00:50:19,050 --> 00:50:20,816
- Look. 1983.
- 904
- 00:50:20,818 --> 00:50:23,719
- John Geoghan,
- St. Brendan's parish, Dorchester.
- 905
- 00:50:23,721 --> 00:50:26,188
- So we can find out
- where any Priest is in any given year?
- 906
- 00:50:26,190 --> 00:50:28,958
- Yeah, I got him here
- at...
- 907
- 00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,060
- huh.
- What?
- 908
- 00:50:31,062 --> 00:50:33,195
- 1980. The year Geoghan
- was pulled from JP.
- 909
- 00:50:33,197 --> 00:50:35,031
- It says he's
- on sick leave.
- 910
- 00:50:35,033 --> 00:50:37,133
- Come on.
- It really says that?
- 911
- 00:50:38,001 --> 00:50:40,903
- Where is, uh, 1991?
- 912
- 00:50:40,905 --> 00:50:42,571
- Yeah. Here ya go.
- 913
- 00:50:42,573 --> 00:50:45,041
- Let me see this.
- Barrett. Barrett. Liam.
- 914
- 00:50:45,043 --> 00:50:47,743
- I can't read that.
- Look for a Liam Barrett in there.
- 915
- 00:50:47,745 --> 00:50:51,213
- 1991's the year they pulled him
- out of Charlestown.
- 916
- 00:50:52,749 --> 00:50:54,350
- "Barrett, Liam."
- 917
- 00:50:54,352 --> 00:50:56,819
- - Yeah.
- - "Sick leave."
- 918
- 00:50:57,921 --> 00:50:59,889
- It's an official
- designation.
- 919
- 00:51:01,425 --> 00:51:03,592
- Let's get these upstairs.
- 920
- 00:51:03,594 --> 00:51:05,928
- Matt, check on those Priests
- Saviano gave us.
- 921
- 00:51:05,930 --> 00:51:08,431
- Robby.
- <i>I'm down at the courthouse.</i>
- 922
- 00:51:08,433 --> 00:51:10,199
- Something's not right here.
- 923
- 00:51:10,201 --> 00:51:12,935
- Nothing on Shanley either, Sacha.
- Okay, thanks.
- 924
- 00:51:12,937 --> 00:51:16,539
- Um, we need to talk to Macleish again.
- <i>Really. Why?</i>
- 925
- 00:51:16,541 --> 00:51:20,242
- Huh? There's nothing here.
- There aren't any records.
- 926
- 00:51:25,382 --> 00:51:27,716
- Thanks for waiting.
- So sorry, guys. Stuck on a call.
- 927
- 00:51:27,718 --> 00:51:29,618
- Not a problem.
- How are you? Good.
- 928
- 00:51:29,620 --> 00:51:31,587
- Thanks for meeting us.
- You bet. What's up, guys?
- 929
- 00:51:31,589 --> 00:51:35,424
- Mr. Macleish, are you familiar with
- a Priest named Paul Shanley?
- 930
- 00:51:35,426 --> 00:51:38,294
- Yes, I am familiar
- with him.
- 931
- 00:51:39,529 --> 00:51:42,898
- And have you settled cases
- against father Shanley?
- 932
- 00:51:42,900 --> 00:51:47,536
- As I'm sure you can understand,
- I can't discuss that with you.
- 933
- 00:51:47,538 --> 00:51:51,574
- Yeah, h-how about, uh,
- father Ronald Paquin?
- 934
- 00:51:51,576 --> 00:51:56,579
- Well, I can't discuss that
- with you either. Come on, guys.
- 935
- 00:51:56,581 --> 00:51:59,281
- We understand you've settled
- several cases against each of them.
- 936
- 00:51:59,283 --> 00:52:02,318
- Even if I'd been involved
- in those cases,
- 937
- 00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,120
- the settlements
- would be confidential
- 938
- 00:52:04,122 --> 00:52:07,223
- and I could be disbarred
- for acknowledging their existence.
- 939
- 00:52:07,991 --> 00:52:10,226
- Okay?
- Mm-hmm.
- 940
- 00:52:10,228 --> 00:52:12,394
- Look, I told you guys
- these are tough cases.
- 941
- 00:52:13,630 --> 00:52:16,765
- Most of these folks, they just want
- some acknowledgment
- 942
- 00:52:16,767 --> 00:52:18,501
- of what happened.
- 943
- 00:52:18,503 --> 00:52:21,170
- We got 'em a sit-down
- with the bishop and a little dough,
- 944
- 00:52:21,172 --> 00:52:23,072
- and that's the best
- they could hope for.
- 945
- 00:52:23,074 --> 00:52:28,010
- Well, it's certainly the best the<i> Priests</i>
- could hope for.
- 946
- 00:52:28,012 --> 00:52:31,480
- No, the church promised
- they'd take the Priests out of circulation.
- 947
- 00:52:31,482 --> 00:52:34,416
- And did you follow up on that?
- 948
- 00:52:38,255 --> 00:52:40,789
- Do you guys need anything else?
- 949
- 00:52:40,791 --> 00:52:43,692
- Yes. Why aren't there
- any records?
- 950
- 00:52:43,694 --> 00:52:45,794
- I was down
- at the courthouse earlier.
- 951
- 00:52:45,796 --> 00:52:47,930
- There aren't any records
- of any of these settlements.
- 952
- 00:52:50,367 --> 00:52:52,501
- We dealt directly
- with the church.
- 953
- 00:52:53,803 --> 00:52:58,674
- We would draw up a demand letter
- and send it to the chancery.
- 954
- 00:52:58,676 --> 00:53:02,211
- - You never filed anything in court?
- - It's a private mediation.
- 955
- 00:53:02,213 --> 00:53:04,880
- So, this is just you
- 956
- 00:53:04,882 --> 00:53:09,485
- and the archdiocese's lawyers
- in a room?
- 957
- 00:53:09,487 --> 00:53:12,154
- - Correct.
- - Anyone else?
- 958
- 00:53:12,156 --> 00:53:15,891
- Occasionally the church would bring in
- another defense attorney to help out.
- 959
- 00:53:15,893 --> 00:53:17,760
- You have names?
- 960
- 00:53:18,795 --> 00:53:21,030
- Nope. No, I don't.
- 961
- 00:53:22,065 --> 00:53:24,033
- So this was all
- under the table?
- 962
- 00:53:24,035 --> 00:53:26,068
- There's no paper trail
- at all.
- 963
- 00:53:26,070 --> 00:53:29,138
- The victim has to sign a confidentiality
- agreement to get the settlement.
- 964
- 00:53:29,140 --> 00:53:32,174
- The lawyer takes a third,
- and the church sweeps it under the rug.
- 965
- 00:53:32,176 --> 00:53:35,077
- It's a freakin' Racket.
- It's more complicated than that.
- 966
- 00:53:35,079 --> 00:53:38,514
- Macleish has got a duty to the client
- to get the best deal he can.
- 967
- 00:53:38,516 --> 00:53:42,351
- Sure. But how many victims do you represent
- and profit from before you say something?
- 968
- 00:53:42,353 --> 00:53:44,486
- Garabedian would say none.
- 969
- 00:53:44,488 --> 00:53:46,522
- That's why he's taking
- these cases to court.
- 970
- 00:53:46,524 --> 00:53:49,058
- He wants people to know about this.
- I agree.
- 971
- 00:53:49,060 --> 00:53:51,227
- And legal ethics aside, Ben,
- 972
- 00:53:51,229 --> 00:53:53,062
- I mean, operating
- the way Macleish has
- 973
- 00:53:53,064 --> 00:53:56,599
- all but guarantees that
- the abuse stays under wraps.
- 974
- 00:53:56,601 --> 00:53:59,702
- Yeah. Did Macleish confirm
- all Saviano's Priests?
- 975
- 00:53:59,704 --> 00:54:04,440
- No. He's limited by his
- confidentiality agreement.
- 976
- 00:54:04,442 --> 00:54:07,443
- But clearly he's settled cases
- against a number of them.
- 977
- 00:54:07,445 --> 00:54:09,778
- Phil's put me in touch
- with some of the other victims.
- 978
- 00:54:09,780 --> 00:54:12,348
- I'm pretty confident all of his Priests
- are gonna check out.
- 979
- 00:54:13,116 --> 00:54:14,850
- So it is 13 Priests?
- 980
- 00:54:14,852 --> 00:54:17,620
- - Yeah.
- - Looks that way.
- 981
- 00:54:17,622 --> 00:54:19,688
- Holy shit.
- 982
- 00:54:22,259 --> 00:54:24,426
- Okay. Keep going.
- 983
- 00:54:27,864 --> 00:54:29,765
- I'm sorry.
- What was the name again?
- 984
- 00:54:30,700 --> 00:54:32,534
- Uh, Baron.
- 985
- 00:54:33,870 --> 00:54:36,639
- B-A-R-O-N.
- 986
- 00:54:36,641 --> 00:54:39,808
- I'm having trouble finding it.
- Just give me a second.
- 987
- 00:54:39,810 --> 00:54:42,278
- It's okay, Kim.
- I can vouch for him.
- 988
- 00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,214
- I'm Pete Conley.
- I'm on the Board of Catholic Charities.
- 989
- 00:54:45,216 --> 00:54:46,915
- Welcome to Boston,
- Mr. Baron.
- 990
- 00:54:46,917 --> 00:54:49,652
- Thank you.
- I appreciate you joining us.
- 991
- 00:54:49,654 --> 00:54:53,389
- We're very proud of the work
- we do here in Boston.
- 992
- 00:54:53,391 --> 00:54:56,158
- Oh, the Cardinal said
- you had a nice visit.
- 993
- 00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:57,826
- Yes, we did.
- 994
- 00:54:57,828 --> 00:55:02,064
- He's an extraordinary man.
- I'm glad you had a chance to chat.
- 995
- 00:55:14,944 --> 00:55:17,346
- Enjoying yourself?
- 996
- 00:55:17,348 --> 00:55:21,817
- Uh, to be honest,
- these events aren't really my strong suit.
- 997
- 00:55:21,819 --> 00:55:24,753
- Yeah. Are you involved
- with the charity?
- 998
- 00:55:24,755 --> 00:55:27,256
- Not directly, no.
- Several of my friends are.
- 999
- 00:55:27,258 --> 00:55:29,825
- We all went to high school
- at BC High.
- 1000
- 00:55:29,827 --> 00:55:32,461
- That's the school across the street
- from the<i> Globe.</i>
- 1001
- 00:55:32,463 --> 00:55:34,563
- It's hard to miss.
- Yeah.
- 1002
- 00:55:35,498 --> 00:55:37,199
- Hard to get away from too,
- apparently.
- 1003
- 00:55:39,537 --> 00:55:42,971
- The, uh, Cardinal's
- in the corner,
- 1004
- 00:55:42,973 --> 00:55:44,540
- if you're so inclined.
- 1005
- 00:55:44,542 --> 00:55:46,642
- We've met.
- Really?
- 1006
- 00:55:46,644 --> 00:55:48,877
- Did he mention
- the suit?
- 1007
- 00:55:48,879 --> 00:55:51,880
- No, but he did give me
- a copy of the catechism.
- 1008
- 00:55:51,882 --> 00:55:53,182
- Yeah.
- 1009
- 00:55:53,184 --> 00:55:55,651
- Well, the Cardinal's
- not known for his subtlety.
- 1010
- 00:55:55,653 --> 00:55:57,386
- During the Porter investigation,
- 1011
- 00:55:57,388 --> 00:56:01,223
- he literally called down
- the power of God on the<i> Globe.</i>
- 1012
- 00:56:01,225 --> 00:56:02,958
- How'd that play out?
- 1013
- 00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:06,695
- A week later, our editor
- broke his leg skiing.
- 1014
- 00:56:07,797 --> 00:56:09,798
- Shrimp toast,
- gentlemen?
- 1015
- 00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:11,934
- Uh, no, thanks.
- Thanks.
- 1016
- 00:56:13,203 --> 00:56:17,306
- You said one of the victims
- filed a criminal complaint?
- 1017
- 00:56:17,308 --> 00:56:20,075
- Yeah, there were
- a few of them.
- 1018
- 00:56:20,077 --> 00:56:21,910
- But the judge had
- the case records sealed
- 1019
- 00:56:21,912 --> 00:56:24,046
- after friends
- of the church complained.
- 1020
- 00:56:24,048 --> 00:56:26,148
- And the church
- has a lot of friends.
- 1021
- 00:56:26,150 --> 00:56:27,583
- Like Eric Macleish?
- 1022
- 00:56:29,018 --> 00:56:30,586
- Yeah.
- 1023
- 00:56:30,588 --> 00:56:33,589
- Let's just say he's not
- part of the solution.
- 1024
- 00:56:33,591 --> 00:56:35,758
- You follow what I'm saying?
- Sure.
- 1025
- 00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:37,760
- You work hard,
- Mr. Rezendes.
- 1026
- 00:56:37,762 --> 00:56:40,662
- Are you married?
- Yeah.
- 1027
- 00:56:40,664 --> 00:56:44,733
- Your wife doesn't mind you working
- all the time? Oh, yeah, she does.
- 1028
- 00:56:46,202 --> 00:56:49,605
- That's why I never got married.
- I'm too busy.
- 1029
- 00:56:49,607 --> 00:56:51,940
- What I do
- is too important.
- 1030
- 00:56:51,942 --> 00:56:53,675
- Mmm.
- 1031
- 00:56:55,779 --> 00:56:58,447
- Your new editor,
- he's a Jew, right?
- 1032
- 00:56:58,449 --> 00:57:00,115
- That's right. Yeah.
- 1033
- 00:57:00,117 --> 00:57:02,117
- Well, see, he comes in
- 1034
- 00:57:02,119 --> 00:57:04,620
- and suddenly everybody's
- interested in the church.
- 1035
- 00:57:04,622 --> 00:57:06,789
- You know why?
- Mmm.
- 1036
- 00:57:06,791 --> 00:57:10,392
- Because it takes
- an outsider, like me.
- 1037
- 00:57:10,394 --> 00:57:12,094
- I'm Armenian.
- 1038
- 00:57:12,096 --> 00:57:14,163
- How many Armenians
- do you know in Boston?
- 1039
- 00:57:15,432 --> 00:57:17,366
- Steve Kurkjian.
- Works at the<i> Globe.</i>
- 1040
- 00:57:17,368 --> 00:57:21,637
- Oh. That's two.
- You should get a prize or something.
- 1041
- 00:57:21,639 --> 00:57:24,940
- What are you, Italian?
- No, I'm Portuguese.
- 1042
- 00:57:24,942 --> 00:57:28,143
- From where?
- Uh, East Boston.
- 1043
- 00:57:29,612 --> 00:57:32,147
- Really? East Boston?
- 1044
- 00:57:33,550 --> 00:57:35,317
- You don't sound like it.
- 1045
- 00:57:41,491 --> 00:57:45,994
- This city, these people...
- 1046
- 00:57:45,996 --> 00:57:48,664
- making the rest of us feel
- like we don't belong.
- 1047
- 00:57:48,666 --> 00:57:50,999
- But they're no better than us.
- 1048
- 00:57:51,001 --> 00:57:53,135
- Look at how they treat
- their children.
- 1049
- 00:57:55,238 --> 00:57:57,105
- Mark my words, Mr. Rezendes,
- 1050
- 00:57:57,107 --> 00:57:59,508
- if it takes a village
- to raise a child,
- 1051
- 00:57:59,510 --> 00:58:02,277
- it takes a village
- to abuse one.
- 1052
- 00:58:05,616 --> 00:58:07,349
- Hey, here he is.
- 1053
- 00:58:07,351 --> 00:58:09,518
- Want a beer?
- Love one.
- 1054
- 00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:11,019
- Another.
- 1055
- 00:58:11,021 --> 00:58:14,356
- You here with Barbara?
- No, no. She hates these things.
- 1056
- 00:58:14,358 --> 00:58:15,624
- Karen too.
- Yeah.
- 1057
- 00:58:15,626 --> 00:58:17,192
- Smart ladies.
- 1058
- 00:58:17,194 --> 00:58:18,760
- <i>Sláinte.
- Sláinte.</i>
- 1059
- 00:58:19,696 --> 00:58:22,698
- Mmm. I met
- your new editor.
- 1060
- 00:58:22,700 --> 00:58:24,433
- Seemed like
- a decent fellow.
- 1061
- 00:58:24,435 --> 00:58:26,101
- I think he is.
- 1062
- 00:58:27,537 --> 00:58:30,672
- Hey, I had
- an interesting conversation
- 1063
- 00:58:30,674 --> 00:58:32,808
- with Eric Macleish
- the other day.
- 1064
- 00:58:32,810 --> 00:58:37,846
- Turns out he's been settling abuse cases
- with the Archdiocese for years.
- 1065
- 00:58:37,848 --> 00:58:41,183
- You really want
- to talk about this here?
- 1066
- 00:58:41,185 --> 00:58:47,289
- Jim, you said you helped out
- on father Barrett as a favor.
- 1067
- 00:58:47,291 --> 00:58:49,124
- That was a one-off?
- 1068
- 00:58:52,897 --> 00:58:56,031
- How many of these cases
- you been involved with?
- 1069
- 00:58:56,033 --> 00:58:58,800
- You know I can't answer that, Robby.
- It's unethical.
- 1070
- 00:58:59,802 --> 00:59:01,770
- Is that all it is?
- 1071
- 00:59:04,007 --> 00:59:08,210
- So,<i> this</i> would be
- the Robby Robinson
- 1072
- 00:59:08,212 --> 00:59:10,579
- I've always heard about
- but never met.
- 1073
- 00:59:10,581 --> 00:59:12,247
- Huh?
- 1074
- 00:59:12,249 --> 00:59:14,550
- Listen to me, Jimmy.
- 1075
- 00:59:14,552 --> 00:59:16,718
- You want to be
- on the right side of this.
- 1076
- 00:59:18,755 --> 00:59:21,590
- This is the church
- you're talking about, Robby.
- 1077
- 00:59:21,592 --> 00:59:23,559
- Look around.
- These are good people.
- 1078
- 00:59:23,561 --> 00:59:25,661
- Done a lot of good
- for this city.
- 1079
- 00:59:26,763 --> 00:59:28,797
- Enjoy the party.
- 1080
- 00:59:37,373 --> 00:59:39,841
- I've been through
- a lot of these now.
- 1081
- 00:59:39,843 --> 00:59:41,543
- "Sick leave" isn't
- the only designation they use
- 1082
- 00:59:41,545 --> 00:59:43,779
- when they take one of these Priests
- out of circulation.
- 1083
- 00:59:43,781 --> 00:59:46,014
- They use a slew of terms:
- "Absent on leave,"
- 1084
- 00:59:46,016 --> 00:59:48,417
- "unassigned,"
- "emergency response."
- 1085
- 00:59:48,419 --> 00:59:51,186
- They got a word for everything, these guys.
- Except rape.
- 1086
- 00:59:51,188 --> 00:59:53,722
- And they move parishes
- way more frequently than other Priests.
- 1087
- 00:59:53,724 --> 00:59:57,059
- When I was a kid, a Priest moved after
- seven or eight years, sometimes longer.
- 1088
- 00:59:57,061 --> 00:59:59,628
- These guys, it's two
- to three years tops.
- 1089
- 00:59:59,630 --> 01:00:02,030
- And did they use these designations
- for all of Saviano's Priests?
- 1090
- 01:00:02,032 --> 01:00:04,266
- Yeah.
- It's a pretty clear pattern.
- 1091
- 01:00:04,268 --> 01:00:06,268
- Guys, I got Sipe.
- 1092
- 01:00:06,270 --> 01:00:09,304
- <i>I think if you really want
- to understand the crisis,</i>
- 1093
- 01:00:09,306 --> 01:00:11,940
- <i>you need to start
- with the celibacy requirement.</i>
- 1094
- 01:00:11,942 --> 01:00:14,042
- <i>That was my first major finding.</i>
- 1095
- 01:00:14,044 --> 01:00:16,845
- <i>Only 50% of the clergy
- are celibate.</i>
- 1096
- 01:00:17,981 --> 01:00:21,216
- <i>Now, most of them are having sex
- with other adults.</i>
- 1097
- 01:00:21,218 --> 01:00:24,152
- <i>But the fact remains that this
- creates a culture of secrecy</i>
- 1098
- 01:00:24,154 --> 01:00:27,322
- <i>that tolerates
- and even protects pedophiles.</i>
- 1099
- 01:00:28,491 --> 01:00:30,158
- So you believe
- the church
- 1100
- 01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,461
- is aware of the extent
- of this, uh, crisis?
- 1101
- 01:00:32,463 --> 01:00:33,762
- <i>Oh, absolutely.</i>
- 1102
- 01:00:33,764 --> 01:00:35,731
- <i>After the first major scandal
- in Louisiana,</i>
- 1103
- 01:00:35,733 --> 01:00:39,067
- <i>Tom Doyle, the secretary canonist
- for the Papal Nuncio,</i>
- 1104
- 01:00:39,069 --> 01:00:41,937
- <i>co-authored a report
- warning pedophile Priests</i>
- 1105
- 01:00:41,939 --> 01:00:44,339
- <i>were a billion-dollar
- liability.</i>
- 1106
- 01:00:44,341 --> 01:00:46,174
- <i>That was in 1985.</i>
- 1107
- 01:00:46,176 --> 01:00:47,609
- 1985?
- 1108
- 01:00:47,611 --> 01:00:49,244
- <i>That's right.</i>
- 1109
- 01:00:49,246 --> 01:00:52,247
- Who saw that report?
- Anyone from the catholic hierarchy?
- 1110
- 01:00:52,249 --> 01:00:55,417
- <i>Sure. Doyle tried
- to introduce the report</i>
- 1111
- 01:00:55,419 --> 01:00:57,786
- <i>at the national conference
- of catholic bishops.</i>
- 1112
- 01:00:57,788 --> 01:01:01,790
- <i>In fact, Cardinal law
- initially helped to fund the report.</i>
- 1113
- 01:01:01,792 --> 01:01:03,992
- <i>But then he backed out
- and they shelved it.</i>
- 1114
- 01:01:03,994 --> 01:01:07,529
- Is he kidding me?
- Uh, Richard, Robby here.
- 1115
- 01:01:07,531 --> 01:01:12,200
- We think we have 13 Priests in Boston
- that fit this pattern,
- 1116
- 01:01:12,202 --> 01:01:16,038
- which would be a very...
- a very big story.
- 1117
- 01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:19,975
- Does that sound right to you,
- uh, in terms of scale?
- 1118
- 01:01:19,977 --> 01:01:23,679
- <i>No, not really, Robby.
- Sounds low to me.</i>
- 1119
- 01:01:23,681 --> 01:01:28,016
- <i>My estimates suggest six percent
- act out sexually with minors.</i>
- 1120
- 01:01:28,018 --> 01:01:30,786
- Uh, six percent
- of what?
- 1121
- 01:01:30,788 --> 01:01:32,954
- <i>Six percent of all Priests.</i>
- 1122
- 01:01:32,956 --> 01:01:34,956
- How many Priests
- do we have in Boston?
- 1123
- 01:01:34,958 --> 01:01:36,892
- About 1,500.
- One percent is 15.
- 1124
- 01:01:36,894 --> 01:01:40,429
- Six percent is... 90.
- 1125
- 01:01:41,698 --> 01:01:43,999
- Wait.
- Nine-ninety Priests?
- 1126
- 01:01:44,001 --> 01:01:45,801
- Is that possible?
- 1127
- 01:01:45,803 --> 01:01:49,237
- <i>From a metric standpoint, yes.</i>
- 1128
- 01:01:49,239 --> 01:01:52,307
- <i>That would certainly
- be in line with my findings.</i>
- 1129
- 01:01:58,014 --> 01:02:00,148
- <i>Hello?</i>
- Uh...
- 1130
- 01:02:01,651 --> 01:02:03,985
- ninety fucking Priests?
- In Boston?
- 1131
- 01:02:03,987 --> 01:02:06,221
- That's what he said.
- 1132
- 01:02:06,223 --> 01:02:09,391
- If there were 90 of these bastards,
- people would know.
- 1133
- 01:02:09,393 --> 01:02:10,926
- Maybe they do.
- 1134
- 01:02:10,928 --> 01:02:13,261
- And no one said
- a thing?
- 1135
- 01:02:13,263 --> 01:02:15,230
- Good Germans.
- 1136
- 01:02:15,232 --> 01:02:17,499
- I don't think that's a comparison
- you want to make publicly.
- 1137
- 01:02:17,501 --> 01:02:20,736
- Macleish knew.
- He just didn't say anything.
- 1138
- 01:02:20,738 --> 01:02:22,337
- That's 13 Priests.
- 1139
- 01:02:22,339 --> 01:02:24,439
- There's a big difference
- between 13 and 90.
- 1140
- 01:02:24,441 --> 01:02:26,241
- Where's this guy Sipe
- getting his numbers?
- 1141
- 01:02:26,243 --> 01:02:28,276
- Well, he's been
- studying it for 30 years.
- 1142
- 01:02:28,278 --> 01:02:30,679
- He is a trained psychotherapist.
- Okay.
- 1143
- 01:02:30,681 --> 01:02:33,749
- But we need something more than a metric
- from some hippie ex-Priest
- 1144
- 01:02:33,751 --> 01:02:35,450
- who's shacking up
- with a nun.
- 1145
- 01:02:35,452 --> 01:02:38,854
- Okay, so we'll track down more victims.
- We'll get more Priests.
- 1146
- 01:02:38,856 --> 01:02:41,456
- Then we could check them
- against the directories.
- 1147
- 01:02:41,458 --> 01:02:44,459
- - That's a shitload of victims.
- - We'll get there.
- 1148
- 01:02:44,461 --> 01:02:46,928
- How long's it gonna take?
- 1149
- 01:02:46,930 --> 01:02:48,864
- Too long.
- 1150
- 01:02:49,766 --> 01:02:51,466
- Wait. Meeting's over?
- 1151
- 01:02:51,468 --> 01:02:53,335
- Yeah, for now.
- 1152
- 01:02:54,971 --> 01:02:58,039
- What've you got?
- What if we work backwards?
- 1153
- 01:02:58,041 --> 01:03:00,075
- What do you mean?
- From what? From the directories.
- 1154
- 01:03:00,077 --> 01:03:03,478
- We've been using them to confirm bad Priests.
- What if we do it the other way around?
- 1155
- 01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:05,981
- Use the directories to identify bad Priests.
- Yeah, exactly.
- 1156
- 01:03:05,983 --> 01:03:10,285
- We search by designation.
- We look for any Priest on "sick leave" or "unassigned."
- 1157
- 01:03:10,287 --> 01:03:12,621
- Or have been moved around a lot.
- Yeah.
- 1158
- 01:03:12,623 --> 01:03:16,324
- It's gonna take a load of work.
- Well, not if we're all on it.
- 1159
- 01:03:16,326 --> 01:03:17,592
- You too?
- 1160
- 01:03:17,594 --> 01:03:20,462
- Generally that's what "all" means.
- Yeah, generally.
- 1161
- 01:04:14,150 --> 01:04:16,451
- Library is closing.
- 1162
- 01:04:19,055 --> 01:04:21,356
- Library is closing.
- 1163
- 01:04:29,899 --> 01:04:32,100
- Holy shit.
- 1164
- 01:05:19,415 --> 01:05:21,016
- No freakin' way.
- 1165
- 01:05:30,092 --> 01:05:31,126
- - Talbot.
- - Yep.
- 1166
- 01:05:31,128 --> 01:05:32,794
- - Tivnan.
- - Yep.
- 1167
- 01:05:32,796 --> 01:05:33,862
- Toma.
- Yep.
- 1168
- 01:05:33,864 --> 01:05:35,463
- Turnbull.
- Yep.
- 1169
- 01:05:35,465 --> 01:05:36,731
- Walsh.
- Yep.
- 1170
- 01:05:36,733 --> 01:05:38,033
- Welsh.
- Yep.
- 1171
- 01:05:38,035 --> 01:05:39,401
- That's it.
- That's it.
- 1172
- 01:05:39,403 --> 01:05:40,869
- - Holy shit.
- - Robby.
- 1173
- 01:05:40,871 --> 01:05:43,204
- That's three off Sipe's estimate.
- That's incredible.
- 1174
- 01:05:43,206 --> 01:05:44,706
- Robby.
- 1175
- 01:05:44,708 --> 01:05:46,141
- How many?
- Eighty-seven.
- 1176
- 01:05:46,143 --> 01:05:48,209
- Eighty-seven Priests
- in Boston.
- 1177
- 01:05:50,446 --> 01:05:54,316
- Call Macleish.
- I wanna talk to him. Okay.
- 1178
- 01:05:54,318 --> 01:05:56,985
- Can you print it?
- Sure can.
- 1179
- 01:05:59,556 --> 01:06:01,289
- <i>Jim Sullivan's office.</i>
- 1180
- 01:06:01,291 --> 01:06:03,458
- Yeah, Walter Robinson
- for Jim Sullivan.
- 1181
- 01:06:03,460 --> 01:06:05,327
- Tell him it's important, please.
- 1182
- 01:06:05,329 --> 01:06:07,228
- <i>One moment, please.</i>
- 1183
- 01:06:11,667 --> 01:06:13,335
- <i>Hey, Robby.
- Everything okay?</i>
- 1184
- 01:06:13,337 --> 01:06:15,570
- I need you
- to tell me something, Jim.
- 1185
- 01:06:15,572 --> 01:06:18,340
- Could it be 90 Priests?
- <i>What?</i>
- 1186
- 01:06:18,342 --> 01:06:20,675
- Could it be as high as 90?
- 1187
- 01:06:20,677 --> 01:06:22,177
- <i>Jesus, Robby.</i>
- 1188
- 01:06:22,179 --> 01:06:25,747
- I need to know, Jim.
- I wouldn't be asking if it wasn't important.
- 1189
- 01:06:27,583 --> 01:06:29,684
- <i>You gotta stop this,
- Robby.</i>
- 1190
- 01:06:37,693 --> 01:06:41,830
- Robby, Macleish's assistant
- said he's all booked up. He can't see us.
- 1191
- 01:06:41,832 --> 01:06:44,099
- Yeah. Well, the hell he can't.
- 1192
- 01:06:49,305 --> 01:06:51,339
- All right.
- That'll be fun.
- 1193
- 01:06:54,710 --> 01:06:56,878
- You know what?
- I'll catch up with you, okay?
- 1194
- 01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:59,114
- Okay.
- Hey.
- 1195
- 01:06:59,116 --> 01:07:01,983
- I'm really sorry. I am.
- I don't have any time to talk right now...
- 1196
- 01:07:01,985 --> 01:07:03,952
- Mr. Macleish,
- we have reason to believe
- 1197
- 01:07:03,954 --> 01:07:06,855
- that there are allegations
- against as many as 87 Priests in Boston.
- 1198
- 01:07:08,024 --> 01:07:09,624
- I can't talk to you
- about that.
- 1199
- 01:07:09,626 --> 01:07:11,559
- Does that number sound right to you?
- You gotta be kidding me.
- 1200
- 01:07:11,561 --> 01:07:13,461
- I just told you
- I don't have time for this crap now.
- 1201
- 01:07:13,463 --> 01:07:16,464
- Eric, how many Priests
- did you settle?
- 1202
- 01:07:16,466 --> 01:07:18,466
- Robby, you know
- I can't tell you that.
- 1203
- 01:07:18,468 --> 01:07:21,870
- You're gonna give me the names
- and the names of their victims.
- 1204
- 01:07:21,872 --> 01:07:23,671
- Um...
- 1205
- 01:07:23,673 --> 01:07:25,140
- are you threatening me?
- 1206
- 01:07:25,142 --> 01:07:27,308
- We've got two stories here.
- 1207
- 01:07:27,310 --> 01:07:29,477
- We've got a story
- about degenerate Clergy,
- 1208
- 01:07:29,479 --> 01:07:31,579
- and we've got a story
- about a bunch of lawyers
- 1209
- 01:07:31,581 --> 01:07:34,082
- turning child abuse
- into a cottage industry.
- 1210
- 01:07:34,084 --> 01:07:37,185
- Now, which story
- do you want us to write?
- 1211
- 01:07:37,187 --> 01:07:38,653
- 'Cause we're writing one of 'em.
- 1212
- 01:07:42,224 --> 01:07:45,226
- I already sent you
- a list of names.
- 1213
- 01:07:46,195 --> 01:07:47,929
- What are you talking about?
- To whom?
- 1214
- 01:07:47,931 --> 01:07:50,598
- The<i> Globe.</i> Years ago.
- 1215
- 01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:52,934
- After the Porter case,
- I got plenty of calls.
- 1216
- 01:07:52,936 --> 01:07:55,103
- I had 20 Priests
- in Boston alone,
- 1217
- 01:07:55,105 --> 01:07:57,105
- but I couldn't go after them
- without the press.
- 1218
- 01:07:57,107 --> 01:08:00,341
- So I sent you guys
- a list of names,
- 1219
- 01:08:00,343 --> 01:08:02,343
- and you buried it.
- 1220
- 01:08:03,946 --> 01:08:07,649
- - I want those names tomorrow.
- - Check your goddamn clips, Robby.
- 1221
- 01:08:09,952 --> 01:08:13,788
- We didn't find anything in the clips.
- Yeah. Big surprise.
- 1222
- 01:08:14,723 --> 01:08:18,860
- Richard, uh,
- do you still go to Mass?
- 1223
- 01:08:18,862 --> 01:08:21,629
- <i>No. No, I haven't been to church
- for some time now.</i>
- 1224
- 01:08:21,631 --> 01:08:24,265
- <i>But I still consider myself
- a catholic.</i>
- 1225
- 01:08:24,267 --> 01:08:26,067
- H-How does that work?
- 1226
- 01:08:26,069 --> 01:08:30,305
- <i>Well, the church is
- an institution, Mike, made of men.</i>
- 1227
- 01:08:30,307 --> 01:08:32,207
- <i>It's passing.</i>
- 1228
- 01:08:32,209 --> 01:08:34,943
- <i>My faith is in the eternal.</i>
- 1229
- 01:08:34,945 --> 01:08:37,145
- <i>I try to separate the two.</i>
- 1230
- 01:08:37,147 --> 01:08:39,781
- Sounds tricky.
- <i>It is.</i>
- 1231
- 01:08:39,783 --> 01:08:42,984
- <i>Especially since the church
- continues to go after me.</i>
- 1232
- 01:08:42,986 --> 01:08:44,953
- <i>It takes a toll, Mike.</i>
- 1233
- 01:08:44,955 --> 01:08:47,055
- <i>They'll try to silence anyone
- who speaks out.</i>
- 1234
- 01:08:47,057 --> 01:08:49,624
- <i>I'm sure they'll come after you
- and your team soon enough.</i>
- 1235
- 01:08:49,626 --> 01:08:52,060
- Really. And how do you think
- they'd do that?
- 1236
- 01:08:55,631 --> 01:08:57,265
- Hello?
- 1237
- 01:08:57,267 --> 01:08:58,733
- Richard?
- 1238
- 01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:06,274
- Who is it?
- 1239
- 01:09:06,276 --> 01:09:08,343
- It's the Archbishop
- of Canterbury.
- 1240
- 01:09:11,947 --> 01:09:14,149
- I had dinner at Santarpio's.
- Had some leftovers.
- 1241
- 01:09:14,151 --> 01:09:16,851
- Ah, you're the freakin' best.
- Thanks.
- 1242
- 01:09:16,853 --> 01:09:19,187
- You want a beer?
- Yeah.
- 1243
- 01:09:19,189 --> 01:09:20,788
- You got it.
- 1244
- 01:09:20,790 --> 01:09:24,425
- Jesus. How much longer
- you gonna be in this shithole?
- 1245
- 01:09:24,427 --> 01:09:26,461
- Yeah.
- I'm working on it.
- 1246
- 01:09:26,463 --> 01:09:28,196
- She's a good girl, Mike.
- 1247
- 01:09:28,198 --> 01:09:31,266
- Yeah, she is.
- We'll figure it out.
- 1248
- 01:09:31,268 --> 01:09:33,701
- I haven't had
- a lot of time lately.
- 1249
- 01:09:33,703 --> 01:09:35,703
- I just got off the phone
- with Sipe, actually.
- 1250
- 01:09:35,705 --> 01:09:38,039
- Have you met this guy
- in person yet?
- 1251
- 01:09:38,041 --> 01:09:41,943
- No, but his knowledge of this
- is on a whole other level.
- 1252
- 01:09:41,945 --> 01:09:43,611
- I'm frickin' starving.
- 1253
- 01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:47,649
- So, where are we with the 90?
- 1254
- 01:09:47,651 --> 01:09:49,184
- We're close.
- 1255
- 01:09:49,186 --> 01:09:51,186
- How close?
- We're close.
- 1256
- 01:09:51,188 --> 01:09:52,954
- Just answer the question,
- will you?
- 1257
- 01:09:56,192 --> 01:09:58,393
- We got 87 names.
- 1258
- 01:09:58,395 --> 01:10:00,562
- We're trying to get confirmation.
- I think we will.
- 1259
- 01:10:02,531 --> 01:10:05,233
- Something bugging you?
- 1260
- 01:10:05,235 --> 01:10:08,069
- It's just surprising,
- that's all.
- 1261
- 01:10:08,071 --> 01:10:10,872
- Yeah. Yeah, it is.
- 1262
- 01:10:10,874 --> 01:10:12,607
- For everybody.
- 1263
- 01:10:16,712 --> 01:10:20,048
- Wait, Ben.
- I forgot to ask you.
- 1264
- 01:10:20,050 --> 01:10:23,518
- Phil Saviano said he sent a bunch of info
- over to the<i> Globe</i> years ago.
- 1265
- 01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:26,521
- - Do you have any idea to who?
- - No. Why?
- 1266
- 01:10:26,523 --> 01:10:30,491
- I'm just curious. I wanted to see if
- there's any leads you guys didn't run out.
- 1267
- 01:10:30,493 --> 01:10:34,028
- Saviano was a fucking train wreck five
- years ago. We didn't miss anything.
- 1268
- 01:10:34,030 --> 01:10:35,964
- This story needed Spotlight.
- 1269
- 01:10:37,266 --> 01:10:39,500
- Yeah, I agree.
- I'm just following up.
- 1270
- 01:10:42,238 --> 01:10:44,272
- - Good night.
- - Yeah, good night.
- 1271
- 01:10:48,277 --> 01:10:51,446
- This is unbelievable.
- When did you get this?
- 1272
- 01:10:51,448 --> 01:10:53,514
- Macleish e-mailed
- the list this morning.
- 1273
- 01:10:53,516 --> 01:10:56,217
- He settled cases
- against 45 Priests.
- 1274
- 01:10:56,219 --> 01:10:58,620
- Where are we on law?
- 1275
- 01:10:58,622 --> 01:11:00,788
- Anything that shows
- he had knowledge of this?
- 1276
- 01:11:00,790 --> 01:11:03,124
- We're still working Garabedian.
- But nothing concrete.
- 1277
- 01:11:03,126 --> 01:11:05,793
- I keep thinking about
- that conversation we had the other night
- 1278
- 01:11:05,795 --> 01:11:08,563
- about how law
- called down the power of God
- 1279
- 01:11:08,565 --> 01:11:10,632
- when we reported on Porter.
- 1280
- 01:11:10,634 --> 01:11:13,134
- That's just law being law.
- 1281
- 01:11:13,136 --> 01:11:18,573
- Okay. But I checked the clips, and, uh,
- Porter isn't even in the Boston Archdiocese.
- 1282
- 01:11:18,575 --> 01:11:23,044
- He's from fall river.
- So... why the extreme reaction?
- 1283
- 01:11:24,313 --> 01:11:26,481
- Law had to know.
- 1284
- 01:11:26,483 --> 01:11:28,483
- That's why he had the reaction.
- 1285
- 01:11:28,485 --> 01:11:30,551
- Because he knew
- there were others.
- 1286
- 01:11:33,489 --> 01:11:35,556
- I think that's the bigger story.
- 1287
- 01:11:35,558 --> 01:11:38,559
- Wait.
- Bigger than 50 Priests?
- 1288
- 01:11:38,561 --> 01:11:41,329
- If it came
- from the top down, yes.
- 1289
- 01:11:41,331 --> 01:11:44,932
- But the numbers clearly indicate that there
- were Senior Clergy involved.
- 1290
- 01:11:44,934 --> 01:11:46,668
- That's all they do...
- indicate.
- 1291
- 01:11:46,670 --> 01:11:50,004
- Are you telling me that if we run a story
- with 50 pedophile Priests in Boston...
- 1292
- 01:11:50,006 --> 01:11:51,272
- Mike.
- 1293
- 01:11:51,274 --> 01:11:53,841
- We'll get into the same catfight
- you got into on Porter,
- 1294
- 01:11:53,843 --> 01:11:57,979
- which made a lot of noise
- but changed things not one bit.
- 1295
- 01:12:00,850 --> 01:12:04,485
- We need to focus on the institution,
- not the individual Priests.
- 1296
- 01:12:04,487 --> 01:12:06,688
- Practice and policy.
- 1297
- 01:12:06,690 --> 01:12:08,489
- Show me the church
- manipulated the system
- 1298
- 01:12:08,491 --> 01:12:10,792
- so that these guys
- wouldn't have to face charges.
- 1299
- 01:12:10,794 --> 01:12:13,027
- Show me they put those
- same Priests back into parishes
- 1300
- 01:12:13,029 --> 01:12:14,662
- time and time again.
- 1301
- 01:12:14,664 --> 01:12:18,499
- Show me this was systemic,
- that it came from the top down.
- 1302
- 01:12:20,269 --> 01:12:22,603
- Sounds like
- we're going after law.
- 1303
- 01:12:26,308 --> 01:12:28,543
- We're going after
- the system.
- 1304
- 01:12:31,113 --> 01:12:34,148
- Make a list of all the victims we have.
- Start reaching out.
- 1305
- 01:12:34,150 --> 01:12:36,217
- And bring Matt in if you need help.
- Mm-hmm. Okay.
- 1306
- 01:12:36,219 --> 01:12:39,053
- Hey, when do you go to Springfield?
- Our hearing is Monday.
- 1307
- 01:12:39,055 --> 01:12:40,321
- Okay.
- 1308
- 01:12:40,323 --> 01:12:42,290
- Hey, Robby,
- you got a second?
- 1309
- 01:12:42,292 --> 01:12:44,158
- Yeah.
- 1310
- 01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:48,529
- I, uh... I got one of those treatment
- centers a block from my house.
- 1311
- 01:12:50,299 --> 01:12:52,033
- We got neighbors
- with kids.
- 1312
- 01:12:52,035 --> 01:12:54,068
- I know that the work we do
- is confidential,
- 1313
- 01:12:54,070 --> 01:12:57,739
- but I'm feeling like...
- I should tell 'em.
- 1314
- 01:13:01,710 --> 01:13:03,478
- We'll tell 'em soon.
- 1315
- 01:13:04,546 --> 01:13:06,481
- You sure?
- 1316
- 01:13:06,483 --> 01:13:08,149
- Yeah.
- Okay.
- 1317
- 01:13:11,420 --> 01:13:13,921
- Hi there. I'm Sacha Pfeiffer.
- I'm with the<i> Boston Globe.</i>
- 1318
- 01:13:13,923 --> 01:13:17,258
- I'm just looking for a gentleman
- by the name of Matthew Walsh.
- 1319
- 01:13:17,260 --> 01:13:19,560
- Uh, no, he's not.
- 1320
- 01:13:22,531 --> 01:13:25,566
- Right there.
- Yeah. Okay. Okay.
- 1321
- 01:13:32,274 --> 01:13:33,908
- Hi.
- Hi.
- 1322
- 01:13:33,910 --> 01:13:35,443
- I'm Sacha Pfeiffer
- from the<i> Boston Globe.</i>
- 1323
- 01:13:35,445 --> 01:13:37,845
- Yeah, what do you want?
- I'd like to speak with Thomas Kennedy.
- 1324
- 01:13:37,847 --> 01:13:40,715
- He doesn't live here anymore.
- Do you know where he lives?
- 1325
- 01:13:40,717 --> 01:13:42,850
- Sir, I'd just like
- to ask a few...
- 1326
- 01:13:44,686 --> 01:13:46,387
- Sacha Pfeiffer,<i> Boston Globe.</i>
- 1327
- 01:13:46,389 --> 01:13:49,624
- Oh, yeah. Hi.
- Hi. Thank you.
- 1328
- 01:13:49,626 --> 01:13:52,794
- Anything else you can recall?
- No.
- 1329
- 01:13:52,796 --> 01:13:54,796
- No, but I got
- a cousin in Quincy.
- 1330
- 01:13:54,798 --> 01:13:56,697
- She saw him in the street
- a few years later.
- 1331
- 01:13:57,699 --> 01:13:59,133
- The bishop
- came to the house.
- 1332
- 01:13:59,135 --> 01:14:01,235
- He said nothing like this
- had ever happened before.
- 1333
- 01:14:01,237 --> 01:14:04,772
- - He asked us not to press charges.
- - And what did your mother do?
- 1334
- 01:14:04,774 --> 01:14:07,308
- My mother?
- 1335
- 01:14:07,310 --> 01:14:09,377
- She put out
- freakin' cookies.
- 1336
- 01:14:13,316 --> 01:14:15,750
- There was
- a lot of pressure to keep quiet.
- 1337
- 01:14:15,752 --> 01:14:18,719
- From the church?
- Yeah, from the church.
- 1338
- 01:14:18,721 --> 01:14:20,721
- But not just
- the church.
- 1339
- 01:14:20,723 --> 01:14:23,458
- From my friends.
- 1340
- 01:14:23,460 --> 01:14:25,126
- From the other parishioners.
- 1341
- 01:14:25,128 --> 01:14:28,229
- <i>Well, many of
- the Priests that I treated</i>
- 1342
- 01:14:28,231 --> 01:14:29,797
- <i>were psychosexually stunted.</i>
- 1343
- 01:14:29,799 --> 01:14:32,133
- <i>On the emotional level
- of a 12- or 13-year-old.</i>
- 1344
- 01:14:32,135 --> 01:14:33,734
- Jesus.
- 1345
- 01:14:33,736 --> 01:14:35,670
- Sure the chief knew.
- Everybody knew.
- 1346
- 01:14:35,672 --> 01:14:37,505
- But nobody wants
- to cuff a Priest.
- 1347
- 01:14:37,507 --> 01:14:41,409
- Mmm. And what about
- the prosecutor?
- 1348
- 01:14:41,411 --> 01:14:45,246
- I shouldn't talk about this shit.
- I think you should, actually.
- 1349
- 01:14:45,248 --> 01:14:48,182
- Do you know a father Hurley
- or a father Gale?
- 1350
- 01:14:48,184 --> 01:14:49,350
- I do.
- 1351
- 01:14:49,352 --> 01:14:51,452
- I'll beat the shit out of you.
- Sorry to bother you.
- 1352
- 01:14:51,454 --> 01:14:54,294
- You leave me alone. You leave my brother alone.
- You hear me? Goddamn it.
- 1353
- 01:15:02,698 --> 01:15:05,366
- Hi there. I'm looking
- for Ronald Paquin.
- 1354
- 01:15:05,368 --> 01:15:07,034
- Yes?
- 1355
- 01:15:07,036 --> 01:15:09,770
- You're father Paquin?
- Yes. That's right.
- 1356
- 01:15:10,839 --> 01:15:13,541
- I'm Sacha Pfeiffer
- from the<i> Boston Globe. I...</i>
- 1357
- 01:15:13,543 --> 01:15:15,376
- okay. Could I ask you
- a few questions?
- 1358
- 01:15:15,378 --> 01:15:17,812
- Go ahead, dear.
- 1359
- 01:15:17,814 --> 01:15:20,014
- We spoke to several men
- who knew you when they were boys
- 1360
- 01:15:20,016 --> 01:15:22,316
- at St. John the baptist
- in Haverhill.
- 1361
- 01:15:22,318 --> 01:15:25,920
- Did... they told us you molested them.
- Is that true?
- 1362
- 01:15:27,456 --> 01:15:30,458
- Mmm, sure,
- I fooled around.
- 1363
- 01:15:30,460 --> 01:15:32,360
- But I never
- felt gratified myself.
- 1364
- 01:15:33,729 --> 01:15:35,229
- Right. Um...
- 1365
- 01:15:35,231 --> 01:15:38,966
- but you admit to molesting boys
- at St. John the baptist?
- 1366
- 01:15:38,968 --> 01:15:43,070
- Yes, yes, but as I said,
- I never got any pleasure from it.
- 1367
- 01:15:43,072 --> 01:15:45,373
- That's important
- to understand.
- 1368
- 01:15:45,375 --> 01:15:46,908
- Right.
- 1369
- 01:15:46,910 --> 01:15:48,843
- Um, but can you tell me
- 1370
- 01:15:48,845 --> 01:15:51,212
- where and how you
- fooled around with these boys?
- 1371
- 01:15:53,148 --> 01:15:56,717
- I want to be clear.
- I never raped anyone.
- 1372
- 01:15:57,653 --> 01:15:59,921
- There's a difference.
- I should know.
- 1373
- 01:15:59,923 --> 01:16:02,990
- - How would you know?
- - I<i> was</i> raped.
- 1374
- 01:16:05,561 --> 01:16:07,895
- I'm sorry. Who raped you?
- 1375
- 01:16:07,897 --> 01:16:09,664
- Ronny, who are you talking to?
- It's okay, Jane.
- 1376
- 01:16:09,666 --> 01:16:11,165
- Father Paquin, who raped you?
- Who are you?
- 1377
- 01:16:11,167 --> 01:16:13,401
- Uh, Sacha Pfeiffer,
- from the<i> Globe.</i>
- 1378
- 01:16:13,403 --> 01:16:15,736
- Please get off my porch.
- I can speak for myself.
- 1379
- 01:16:15,738 --> 01:16:17,672
- Get inside the house, Ron.
- Mr...
- 1380
- 01:16:17,674 --> 01:16:19,607
- get inside, Ron.
- Okay.
- 1381
- 01:16:19,609 --> 01:16:21,943
- I'm sorry. Who are you?
- I'm his sister.
- 1382
- 01:16:21,945 --> 01:16:24,845
- - And I don't want you coming back here.
- - Miss Paquin...
- 1383
- 01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:33,788
- beat you to the end
- of the street.
- 1384
- 01:16:33,790 --> 01:16:35,790
- - No, you won't.
- - I beat you last time.
- 1385
- 01:16:35,792 --> 01:16:38,859
- Boy #1 no, you didn't. You cheated.
- You did.
- 1386
- 01:16:44,399 --> 01:16:48,569
- Could you please clarify the<i> Globe's</i>
- position for me, Mr. Albano?
- 1387
- 01:16:48,571 --> 01:16:50,371
- Yes, Judge Sweeney.
- 1388
- 01:16:54,109 --> 01:16:56,911
- Our argument to make
- these documents public
- 1389
- 01:16:56,913 --> 01:16:59,313
- rests mainly
- on first amendment grounds.
- 1390
- 01:16:59,315 --> 01:17:02,416
- We also have a number of other
- relevant arguments.
- 1391
- 01:17:02,418 --> 01:17:04,986
- After all, your honor,
- this was a discretionary order.
- 1392
- 01:17:04,988 --> 01:17:07,755
- Yes. It was made
- at the judge's discretion.
- 1393
- 01:17:07,757 --> 01:17:09,323
- Hey, Mike.
- 1394
- 01:17:10,092 --> 01:17:11,325
- Hey, Joe.
- 1395
- 01:17:11,327 --> 01:17:13,961
- What's a Spotlight reporter
- doing in Springfield?
- 1396
- 01:17:15,964 --> 01:17:18,633
- Your boy Albano's
- sledding uphill.
- 1397
- 01:17:18,635 --> 01:17:20,835
- You actually think you have a shot
- at winning this thing?
- 1398
- 01:17:20,837 --> 01:17:22,903
- You want me
- to comment for the<i> Herald?</i>
- 1399
- 01:17:24,773 --> 01:17:27,775
- <i>"Globe</i> reporter
- would not comment,
- 1400
- 01:17:27,777 --> 01:17:30,478
- but he did not
- seem hopeful."
- 1401
- 01:17:31,647 --> 01:17:33,781
- He didn't try
- and hide it at all.
- 1402
- 01:17:33,783 --> 01:17:36,684
- He had this really
- odd rationalization for it,
- 1403
- 01:17:36,686 --> 01:17:40,354
- like it was totally normal
- to fool around with little boys.
- 1404
- 01:17:40,356 --> 01:17:43,290
- I'd really like to go back.
- I think he'd talk to us.
- 1405
- 01:17:43,292 --> 01:17:45,359
- Oh, we will.
- 1406
- 01:17:45,361 --> 01:17:47,028
- Just not yet.
- 1407
- 01:17:47,030 --> 01:17:49,530
- I want you to stay focused
- on the victims right now.
- 1408
- 01:17:49,532 --> 01:17:51,999
- Sacha, where'd they send
- father Talbot again?
- 1409
- 01:17:52,001 --> 01:17:54,268
- Um, I think...
- wasn't that Cheverus?
- 1410
- 01:17:54,270 --> 01:17:56,370
- Cheverus.
- That's right. Wait.
- 1411
- 01:17:56,372 --> 01:17:58,372
- Father Talbot from BC High?
- 1412
- 01:17:58,374 --> 01:18:00,641
- Yeah.
- You know him?
- 1413
- 01:18:00,643 --> 01:18:03,310
- Yeah. He was there
- when I was.
- 1414
- 01:18:03,312 --> 01:18:06,781
- We have a victim?
- Yeah. Lives in Providence.
- 1415
- 01:18:10,285 --> 01:18:13,187
- There's nothing personal
- in these documents, your honor.
- 1416
- 01:18:13,189 --> 01:18:14,889
- They concern
- how the Cardinal is handling...
- 1417
- 01:18:14,891 --> 01:18:17,358
- say "The Archdiocese."
- 1418
- 01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:18,826
- Excuse me?
- 1419
- 01:18:18,828 --> 01:18:22,063
- You don't get to tag
- the Cardinal with everything, Mr. Albano.
- 1420
- 01:18:22,065 --> 01:18:24,532
- Say "The Archdiocese."
- 1421
- 01:18:24,534 --> 01:18:28,069
- Judge Sweeney, the<i> Globe</i> is not a party to
- this case. They just want to sell papers.
- 1422
- 01:18:28,071 --> 01:18:31,572
- If Mr. Garabedian had not smeared
- the Cardinal's good name,
- 1423
- 01:18:31,574 --> 01:18:33,140
- we wouldn't
- even be here.
- 1424
- 01:18:33,142 --> 01:18:35,910
- Your honor, I object to the use
- of the word "smear."
- 1425
- 01:18:35,912 --> 01:18:38,646
- - Duly noted, Mr. Garabedian.
- - Thank you, your honor.
- 1426
- 01:18:38,648 --> 01:18:40,981
- - Anything else, Mr. Rogers?
- - No, your honor.
- 1427
- 01:18:40,983 --> 01:18:42,750
- Mr. Albano,
- you may continue.
- 1428
- 01:18:42,752 --> 01:18:44,251
- The<i> Globe</i>
- believes having...
- 1429
- 01:18:46,589 --> 01:18:48,823
- hey, Mitch, how you doing?
- 1430
- 01:18:48,825 --> 01:18:50,891
- I'm fine.
- 1431
- 01:18:50,893 --> 01:18:53,761
- He's tough,
- that Wilson Rogers.
- 1432
- 01:18:53,763 --> 01:18:56,831
- He's smug.
- And he's sloppy.
- 1433
- 01:18:56,833 --> 01:18:59,266
- He doesn't seem sloppy.
- 1434
- 01:18:59,268 --> 01:19:02,403
- You don't know the half of it.
- Trust me.
- 1435
- 01:19:02,405 --> 01:19:04,004
- What's the half of it?
- 1436
- 01:19:06,074 --> 01:19:08,342
- Tell me the half of it,
- Mitch.
- 1437
- 01:19:09,444 --> 01:19:12,012
- Off the record?
- Off the record, yeah.
- 1438
- 01:19:15,283 --> 01:19:17,885
- Three years ago,
- I get a call from an ex-Priest.
- 1439
- 01:19:17,887 --> 01:19:19,286
- Anthony Benzevich.
- 1440
- 01:19:19,288 --> 01:19:21,689
- He was at blessed sacrament
- back in '62,
- 1441
- 01:19:21,691 --> 01:19:23,424
- and he saw Geoghan...
- 1442
- 01:19:25,127 --> 01:19:27,428
- Taking little boys up to
- the rectory bedroom, okay?
- 1443
- 01:19:27,430 --> 01:19:31,298
- So he's appalled, all right?
- Tells the bishop about it.
- 1444
- 01:19:31,300 --> 01:19:35,136
- And the bishop threatens
- to reassign him to South America.
- 1445
- 01:19:35,138 --> 01:19:36,804
- Jesus.
- Yeah, all right.
- 1446
- 01:19:36,806 --> 01:19:39,140
- So fast-forward 35 years,
- Benzevich reads
- 1447
- 01:19:39,142 --> 01:19:42,243
- that Geoghan has been charged
- with molesting hundreds of kids.
- 1448
- 01:19:42,245 --> 01:19:44,311
- All right? So he feels guilty.
- He calls me.
- 1449
- 01:19:44,313 --> 01:19:46,547
- So you have testimony
- of a Priest
- 1450
- 01:19:46,549 --> 01:19:48,983
- telling his superiors
- about Geoghan in '62?
- 1451
- 01:19:48,985 --> 01:19:51,252
- No, I do not.
- 1452
- 01:19:51,254 --> 01:19:53,888
- Because when I called
- Benzevich in to give a deposition,
- 1453
- 01:19:53,890 --> 01:19:55,990
- he comes in
- with a lawyer.
- 1454
- 01:19:55,992 --> 01:19:58,125
- Wilson Rogers.
- Right.
- 1455
- 01:19:58,127 --> 01:20:00,795
- And suddenly father Benzevich
- has a very foggy memory.
- 1456
- 01:20:00,797 --> 01:20:02,997
- Can't remember anything.
- He's useless.
- 1457
- 01:20:02,999 --> 01:20:06,066
- So I go back to work.
- I forget about it. Whatever.
- 1458
- 01:20:06,068 --> 01:20:08,135
- Until about a year ago,
- I find an article
- 1459
- 01:20:08,137 --> 01:20:11,272
- about a Priest who warned
- church officials about Geoghan.
- 1460
- 01:20:11,274 --> 01:20:13,641
- Benzevich went to the press?
- Yeah.
- 1461
- 01:20:13,643 --> 01:20:16,443
- Yeah. Local paper, <i>Patriot Ledger.</i>
- Nobody saw it.
- 1462
- 01:20:16,445 --> 01:20:18,345
- But now I got Benzevich
- on record.
- 1463
- 01:20:18,347 --> 01:20:22,449
- So I file a motion to depose Benzevich
- a second time. All right?
- 1464
- 01:20:22,451 --> 01:20:25,486
- And Wilson Rogers,
- that smug son of a bitch,
- 1465
- 01:20:25,488 --> 01:20:28,689
- he files a motion
- opposing my motion.
- 1466
- 01:20:28,691 --> 01:20:30,324
- And that's when I have him.
- 1467
- 01:20:31,459 --> 01:20:32,827
- Have... have him how?
- 1468
- 01:20:32,829 --> 01:20:36,430
- Rogers opposes my motion,
- so I have to make an argument
- 1469
- 01:20:36,432 --> 01:20:39,500
- as to why I'm allowed to depose
- father Benzevich a second time, okay?
- 1470
- 01:20:39,502 --> 01:20:42,703
- But this time,
- I'm allowed to attach exhibits.
- 1471
- 01:20:42,705 --> 01:20:44,305
- Do you follow
- what I'm saying?
- 1472
- 01:20:44,307 --> 01:20:45,873
- The sealed documents?
- Yes.
- 1473
- 01:20:45,875 --> 01:20:48,108
- I can attach
- the sealed documents
- 1474
- 01:20:48,110 --> 01:20:50,377
- that I've gotten in discovery,
- Mr. Rezendes,
- 1475
- 01:20:50,379 --> 01:20:54,048
- the same documents that your paper
- is currently suing for.
- 1476
- 01:20:54,050 --> 01:20:55,482
- You're shitting me.
- 1477
- 01:20:55,484 --> 01:20:57,785
- What? No.
- No, I'm not shitting you.
- 1478
- 01:20:57,787 --> 01:21:00,221
- So I pull out
- the 14 most damning docs
- 1479
- 01:21:00,223 --> 01:21:02,056
- and I attach them
- to my motion.
- 1480
- 01:21:02,058 --> 01:21:04,058
- And they prove everything.
- Everything.
- 1481
- 01:21:04,060 --> 01:21:06,627
- About the church,
- about the bishops, about law.
- 1482
- 01:21:06,629 --> 01:21:08,395
- And it's all public?
- 1483
- 01:21:08,397 --> 01:21:10,664
- Because your motion
- to oppose Roger's motion...
- 1484
- 01:21:10,666 --> 01:21:11,632
- is public.
- 1485
- 01:21:11,634 --> 01:21:14,568
- Yeah. Exactly.
- Now you're paying attention.
- 1486
- 01:21:14,570 --> 01:21:17,571
- So I could just walk into that courthouse
- right now and get those documents?
- 1487
- 01:21:17,573 --> 01:21:21,342
- No, you cannot, because the documents
- are not there.
- 1488
- 01:21:21,344 --> 01:21:23,244
- But you just said
- they're public.
- 1489
- 01:21:23,246 --> 01:21:26,413
- I know I did.
- But this is Boston.
- 1490
- 01:21:26,415 --> 01:21:29,083
- And the church
- does not want them to be found.
- 1491
- 01:21:29,085 --> 01:21:32,086
- So they are not there.
- 1492
- 01:21:33,421 --> 01:21:36,357
- Mitch, are you telling me
- that the catholic church
- 1493
- 01:21:36,359 --> 01:21:38,592
- removed legal documents
- from that courthouse?
- 1494
- 01:21:38,594 --> 01:21:42,029
- Look, I'm not crazy.
- I'm not paranoid.
- 1495
- 01:21:42,031 --> 01:21:43,764
- I'm experienced.
- 1496
- 01:21:43,766 --> 01:21:46,600
- Check the docket.
- You'll see.
- 1497
- 01:21:46,602 --> 01:21:48,335
- They control everything.
- 1498
- 01:21:50,872 --> 01:21:52,573
- Everything.
- 1499
- 01:21:54,109 --> 01:21:56,277
- I gotta go back in.
- 1500
- 01:21:59,447 --> 01:22:02,082
- I just got
- the fucking documents.
- 1501
- 01:22:16,598 --> 01:22:19,466
- Docket entry number 49,
- in the Geoghan case.
- 1502
- 01:22:19,468 --> 01:22:21,635
- Okay, thanks.
- We close in 10 minutes.
- 1503
- 01:22:21,637 --> 01:22:23,170
- Ten minutes? All right.
- 1504
- 01:23:00,108 --> 01:23:01,775
- Robby.
- <i>Hey, it's me.</i>
- 1505
- 01:23:01,777 --> 01:23:03,344
- Hey.
- <i>You're not gonna believe it.</i>
- 1506
- 01:23:03,346 --> 01:23:05,412
- Garabedian gave me a tip.
- 1507
- 01:23:05,414 --> 01:23:09,016
- Some of the sealed docs are already public.
- They're part of a motion he filed.
- 1508
- 01:23:09,018 --> 01:23:10,517
- <i>He said they're
- the best of the bunch.</i>
- 1509
- 01:23:10,519 --> 01:23:12,519
- <i>We don't have to wait
- for Sweeney's ruling.</i>
- 1510
- 01:23:12,521 --> 01:23:15,089
- So we can get them?
- <i>Yeah, but they're not there.</i>
- 1511
- 01:23:15,091 --> 01:23:18,425
- Already talked to Albano.
- He said all we have to do is file a motion,
- 1512
- 01:23:18,427 --> 01:23:20,995
- and Sweeney will order Mitch
- to refile the docs.
- 1513
- 01:23:20,997 --> 01:23:22,763
- And you think
- these documents are...
- 1514
- 01:23:22,765 --> 01:23:25,699
- <i>he said these 14 docs are all we need.
- They're huge.</i>
- 1515
- 01:23:25,701 --> 01:23:27,368
- Okay.
- 1516
- 01:23:27,370 --> 01:23:30,237
- I'll call Ben. Good work.
- 1517
- 01:23:46,121 --> 01:23:48,122
- <i>Is this purely an accident</i>
- 1518
- 01:23:48,124 --> 01:23:49,857
- <i>or could this have been
- an intentional act?</i>
- 1519
- 01:23:49,859 --> 01:23:53,560
- <i>Either way, extensive damage
- has been done to this building.</i>
- 1520
- 01:23:55,563 --> 01:23:57,164
- What happened?
- 1521
- 01:23:57,166 --> 01:24:00,734
- They're saying it's a prop plane,
- but that's not a prop plane.
- 1522
- 01:24:04,572 --> 01:24:07,641
- Tell Linda to get every reporter
- we have in here now.
- 1523
- 01:24:08,977 --> 01:24:10,744
- <i>You pray for the victims.</i>
- 1524
- 01:24:11,546 --> 01:24:13,747
- <i>You pray for the injured.</i>
- 1525
- 01:24:13,749 --> 01:24:16,817
- <i>And you pray
- for those who survived.</i>
- 1526
- 01:24:17,886 --> 01:24:20,888
- <i>You pray, too, for the nation.</i>
- 1527
- 01:24:22,023 --> 01:24:24,425
- <i>That our response to this</i>
- 1528
- 01:24:24,427 --> 01:24:29,363
- <i>might reflect
- the best ideals of our nation.</i>
- 1529
- 01:24:29,365 --> 01:24:32,766
- <i>And even more,
- reflect God's own teaching,</i>
- 1530
- 01:24:32,768 --> 01:24:37,104
- <i>not only as it's shown
- in Christianity and Judaism</i>
- 1531
- 01:24:37,106 --> 01:24:39,373
- <i>but in Islam as well.</i>
- 1532
- 01:24:39,375 --> 01:24:42,109
- Not bad.
- Who's there? Paulson.
- 1533
- 01:24:42,111 --> 01:24:44,111
- I wanna talk to him
- when he's back.
- 1534
- 01:24:44,113 --> 01:24:45,913
- Did Rezendes find a way
- to get to Florida yet?
- 1535
- 01:24:45,915 --> 01:24:49,183
- They just opened the airport in Providence.
- He's on his way there now.
- 1536
- 01:24:49,185 --> 01:24:51,251
- Ben, I'm gonna need
- more people on massport.
- 1537
- 01:24:51,253 --> 01:24:52,886
- I'll give you
- three of my guys.
- 1538
- 01:24:52,888 --> 01:24:54,922
- Robby, put your team on that too.
- Got it.
- 1539
- 01:24:54,924 --> 01:24:57,925
- - And, Robby, everything else stops.
- - Understood.
- 1540
- 01:24:57,927 --> 01:24:59,426
- Why is Mike
- going to Florida?
- 1541
- 01:24:59,428 --> 01:25:01,962
- Flight school.
- It's where they learned to fly.
- 1542
- 01:25:01,964 --> 01:25:05,032
- Robby, I've got a lot of victim interviews
- set up this week.
- 1543
- 01:25:05,034 --> 01:25:06,533
- You're gonna
- have to cancel 'em.
- 1544
- 01:25:06,535 --> 01:25:08,802
- That's gonna be hard.
- I know. This is nuts.
- 1545
- 01:25:08,804 --> 01:25:12,039
- Two days ago I told my wife we gotta be
- working the biggest story on the planet.
- 1546
- 01:25:12,041 --> 01:25:13,474
- <i>Boston Globe.</i>
- 1547
- 01:25:13,476 --> 01:25:15,642
- <i>Boston Globe.</i>
- One Moment, please.
- 1548
- 01:25:15,644 --> 01:25:17,711
- Yes, if you have a tip,
- I will transfer you down to Metro.
- 1549
- 01:25:17,713 --> 01:25:20,747
- Mitchell Garabedian.
- 1550
- 01:25:20,749 --> 01:25:22,649
- <i>Mitch, it's Mike.
- I've been trying to reach you.</i>
- 1551
- 01:25:22,651 --> 01:25:24,451
- I don't have time to talk
- to you, Mr. Rezendes.
- 1552
- 01:25:24,453 --> 01:25:27,154
- Hey, just quickly.
- Did you refile those docs yet?
- 1553
- 01:25:27,156 --> 01:25:29,256
- <i>No. I just got the order.
- It takes time.</i>
- 1554
- 01:25:29,258 --> 01:25:31,658
- Okay, great. Can you hold off
- on refiling them? <i>Hold off?</i>
- 1555
- 01:25:31,660 --> 01:25:34,328
- I have to go to Florida.
- Once you refile they're public.
- 1556
- 01:25:34,330 --> 01:25:36,330
- Other newspapers will be able
- to get a hold of 'em.
- 1557
- 01:25:36,332 --> 01:25:38,398
- <i>Other newspapers
- are not my concern.</i>
- 1558
- 01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:40,334
- <i>I received a judicial order.</i>
- 1559
- 01:25:40,336 --> 01:25:42,336
- <i>I told you the church
- is watching me.</i>
- 1560
- 01:25:42,338 --> 01:25:45,305
- Hey, Mitch, please.
- All I need is a few more weeks.
- 1561
- 01:25:46,307 --> 01:25:48,475
- <i>I can't make any promises.
- Good-bye.</i>
- 1562
- 01:25:48,477 --> 01:25:51,245
- Mitch! Mitch! Shit!
- 1563
- 01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:53,981
- Shit.
- 1564
- 01:26:02,323 --> 01:26:04,024
- <i>Look, I get it.</i>
- 1565
- 01:26:04,026 --> 01:26:07,194
- No one wants to read about kids
- getting raped by Priests, especially now.
- 1566
- 01:26:07,196 --> 01:26:08,762
- But you asked
- a lot of people
- 1567
- 01:26:08,764 --> 01:26:11,532
- to relive some very painful experiences,
- and you just disappear.
- 1568
- 01:26:11,534 --> 01:26:13,433
- Phil, you know why
- we were taken off of this story.
- 1569
- 01:26:13,435 --> 01:26:14,868
- It's been six weeks
- since 9/11.
- 1570
- 01:26:14,870 --> 01:26:17,204
- I realize that,
- and we're gonna get back to it.
- 1571
- 01:26:17,206 --> 01:26:18,705
- When?
- 1572
- 01:26:20,041 --> 01:26:22,509
- You're doing the same thing
- you guys did last time. No.
- 1573
- 01:26:22,511 --> 01:26:23,877
- You're dropping us.
- No.
- 1574
- 01:26:23,879 --> 01:26:26,713
- Maybe I should tell
- the<i> Herald</i> that story.
- 1575
- 01:26:26,715 --> 01:26:29,550
- Okay, Phil,
- you go ahead and do that.
- 1576
- 01:26:29,552 --> 01:26:32,853
- It'll undo all the work we've done,
- but I can't stop you.
- 1577
- 01:26:34,822 --> 01:26:38,859
- Listen to me.
- I am here because I care.
- 1578
- 01:26:40,228 --> 01:26:42,462
- We're not going away.
- 1579
- 01:26:42,464 --> 01:26:44,831
- We're gonna tell this story.
- We're gonna tell it right.
- 1580
- 01:26:44,833 --> 01:26:47,568
- We just need a little more time.
- That's all we're asking for.
- 1581
- 01:26:50,471 --> 01:26:52,573
- Why bother asking?
- 1582
- 01:26:53,541 --> 01:26:56,410
- You're gonna do
- what you want anyway.
- 1583
- 01:26:56,412 --> 01:26:58,245
- You always do.
- 1584
- 01:26:58,247 --> 01:26:59,813
- Phil.
- 1585
- 01:27:00,715 --> 01:27:02,249
- Phil!
- 1586
- 01:27:07,855 --> 01:27:10,591
- Hey.
- <i>How's south beach?</i>
- 1587
- 01:27:10,593 --> 01:27:13,360
- Boynton beach.
- Remarkably different place.
- 1588
- 01:27:13,362 --> 01:27:14,928
- What's up?
- 1589
- 01:27:14,930 --> 01:27:17,097
- <i>Mitch Garabedian
- called me today.</i>
- 1590
- 01:27:17,099 --> 01:27:19,700
- Why'd he call you?
- <i>'Cause he knew you'd yell at him.</i>
- 1591
- 01:27:19,702 --> 01:27:22,603
- <i>He refiled the docs.</i>
- What?
- 1592
- 01:27:22,605 --> 01:27:24,438
- Robby, those docs
- are public now.
- 1593
- 01:27:24,440 --> 01:27:27,407
- <i>We gotta get there before anyone else does.</i>
- I know. I know. I know.
- 1594
- 01:27:27,409 --> 01:27:30,510
- Just wrap up whatever you're doing
- and get the first flight out.
- 1595
- 01:27:30,512 --> 01:27:32,713
- <i>I'll book a flight now and go straight
- to the courthouse tomorrow.</i>
- 1596
- 01:27:32,715 --> 01:27:34,781
- All right. Call me when you get in.
- <i>Okay.</i>
- 1597
- 01:27:36,718 --> 01:27:39,853
- Robby, I'd like to let Phil Saviano know
- that we're back on it.
- 1598
- 01:27:39,855 --> 01:27:41,622
- Good idea.
- 1599
- 01:27:41,624 --> 01:27:44,891
- Go have dinner with Hansi.
- Might be the last time for a while.
- 1600
- 01:27:44,893 --> 01:27:46,493
- Mm-hmm.
- 1601
- 01:27:50,565 --> 01:27:52,933
- Robby,
- after we saw Macleish,
- 1602
- 01:27:52,935 --> 01:27:54,968
- I started going back
- through the clips.
- 1603
- 01:27:54,970 --> 01:27:57,137
- And I had a little time
- last week finally.
- 1604
- 01:27:57,139 --> 01:28:00,007
- So, um, I found that.
- 1605
- 01:28:01,142 --> 01:28:02,876
- It's from '93.
- 1606
- 01:28:13,221 --> 01:28:14,821
- That it?
- 1607
- 01:28:16,324 --> 01:28:18,792
- Yeah.
- Yeah, that's... that's it.
- 1608
- 01:28:20,895 --> 01:28:21,962
- Good night.
- 1609
- 01:28:23,131 --> 01:28:24,898
- Okay. Good night.
- 1610
- 01:29:03,171 --> 01:29:04,538
- Hello.
- 1611
- 01:29:04,540 --> 01:29:06,673
- So, I was probably
- a few years after you, right?
- 1612
- 01:29:06,675 --> 01:29:09,376
- No, you were more than a few.
- 1613
- 01:29:09,378 --> 01:29:10,977
- Believe me.
- 1614
- 01:29:10,979 --> 01:29:13,647
- Well, after BC High,
- I came down to Providence
- 1615
- 01:29:13,649 --> 01:29:15,549
- and played hockey
- for the Friars.
- 1616
- 01:29:15,551 --> 01:29:18,552
- Oh, well, you must
- have been pretty good.
- 1617
- 01:29:18,554 --> 01:29:21,154
- No. Rode the bench
- in college. Yeah.
- 1618
- 01:29:21,156 --> 01:29:22,689
- But I loved the city.
- 1619
- 01:29:22,691 --> 01:29:24,858
- Uh-huh. And we just had
- our third kid.
- 1620
- 01:29:24,860 --> 01:29:27,294
- And I still get my<i> Globe,</i>
- for the record.
- 1621
- 01:29:27,296 --> 01:29:30,564
- Ah, that's good to know.
- Good to know.
- 1622
- 01:29:30,566 --> 01:29:35,535
- Look, Kevin, uh,
- that's actually why I'm here.
- 1623
- 01:29:35,537 --> 01:29:37,838
- Yeah?
- I...
- 1624
- 01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:40,607
- I need to ask you some questions
- about father Talbot.
- 1625
- 01:29:47,415 --> 01:29:49,583
- How'd you find out?
- 1626
- 01:29:50,418 --> 01:29:52,719
- Well...
- um...
- 1627
- 01:29:52,721 --> 01:29:54,821
- I guess
- it doesn't matter.
- 1628
- 01:29:58,359 --> 01:30:02,829
- Hell, I never even
- told my wife.
- 1629
- 01:30:04,999 --> 01:30:06,566
- Excuse me.
- 1630
- 01:30:10,938 --> 01:30:13,206
- Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
- I need to get in there.
- 1631
- 01:30:13,208 --> 01:30:14,875
- We're closed. Come on. Let me in.
- Five minutes.
- 1632
- 01:30:14,877 --> 01:30:18,512
- - I'm sorry. We're closed.
- - Come on. Five minutes.
- 1633
- 01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:34,995
- Here. There.
- 1634
- 01:30:37,465 --> 01:30:39,933
- This is the Geoghan case?
- That's right.
- 1635
- 01:30:39,935 --> 01:30:42,869
- - Those records are sealed.
- - No. That's a public motion.
- 1636
- 01:30:42,871 --> 01:30:44,704
- Those records are public.
- 1637
- 01:30:44,706 --> 01:30:47,941
- - Look, I work for the<i> Globe.</i>
- - Good for you.
- 1638
- 01:30:49,644 --> 01:30:53,213
- Can I talk to your supervisor?
- He's not in today.
- 1639
- 01:30:53,215 --> 01:30:57,083
- What about a judge? There must be judges
- that work on this kind of thing.
- 1640
- 01:30:57,085 --> 01:30:58,885
- Sixth floor.
- 1641
- 01:31:05,092 --> 01:31:08,829
- We understand the nature
- of the allegations against father Talbot.
- 1642
- 01:31:08,831 --> 01:31:12,966
- I'm just not sure what you want
- from President Kemeza.
- 1643
- 01:31:12,968 --> 01:31:15,168
- Talbot taught here
- long before Bill took over.
- 1644
- 01:31:15,170 --> 01:31:16,736
- Mmm. Of course.
- 1645
- 01:31:16,738 --> 01:31:18,839
- We just want to know
- if it's possible
- 1646
- 01:31:18,841 --> 01:31:20,907
- that the president,
- the faculty, the board,
- 1647
- 01:31:20,909 --> 01:31:22,809
- that no one knew
- what was going on at the time.
- 1648
- 01:31:22,811 --> 01:31:24,978
- I graduated in 1979,
- 1649
- 01:31:24,980 --> 01:31:27,080
- and I had no idea
- about any of this.
- 1650
- 01:31:27,082 --> 01:31:29,115
- So if you're suggesting
- that father Gibbons
- 1651
- 01:31:29,117 --> 01:31:31,351
- and father Callahan
- had in any way...
- 1652
- 01:31:31,353 --> 01:31:32,953
- Gibbons and Callahan.
- 1653
- 01:31:32,955 --> 01:31:35,522
- I mean, they ran this place
- like the Navy.
- 1654
- 01:31:35,524 --> 01:31:37,157
- You really think
- they didn't know?
- 1655
- 01:31:37,159 --> 01:31:41,094
- It's a big school, Robby.
- You know that.
- 1656
- 01:31:41,096 --> 01:31:45,332
- And then we're talking about seven
- alleged victims over, what, eight years?
- 1657
- 01:31:45,334 --> 01:31:48,835
- No, we're talking about,
- you know, seven that we know about.
- 1658
- 01:31:48,837 --> 01:31:51,037
- This is ridiculous.
- 1659
- 01:31:51,039 --> 01:31:53,373
- You're reaching for a story here...
- Jack. Jack.
- 1660
- 01:31:53,375 --> 01:31:57,711
- Jack. If I had been president then,
- I would've known.
- 1661
- 01:31:57,713 --> 01:32:00,313
- Bill, I'm not sure
- that's relevant.
- 1662
- 01:32:00,315 --> 01:32:03,650
- Why do you think
- they sent Talbot up to Cheverus?
- 1663
- 01:32:03,652 --> 01:32:06,119
- You know they wanted him
- out of town.
- 1664
- 01:32:07,221 --> 01:32:08,855
- Robby,
- 1665
- 01:32:08,857 --> 01:32:11,157
- as well intentioned
- as Bill's remarks are,
- 1666
- 01:32:11,159 --> 01:32:14,761
- I'm hoping we can keep this between
- us until we all get on the same page.
- 1667
- 01:32:18,065 --> 01:32:21,067
- Is that why we're here,
- to get on the same page?
- 1668
- 01:32:21,069 --> 01:32:24,237
- No, we're here because you're an
- important alumnus, Robby, and a friend.
- 1669
- 01:32:24,239 --> 01:32:28,375
- Exactly. And we know you care about
- this school as much as we do.
- 1670
- 01:32:29,744 --> 01:32:31,578
- Did you play a sport here, Jack?
- 1671
- 01:32:31,580 --> 01:32:34,214
- Yeah. Football. Why?
- 1672
- 01:32:34,216 --> 01:32:35,982
- Mmm. I ran track.
- 1673
- 01:32:35,984 --> 01:32:38,084
- You know,
- I went to Providence yesterday
- 1674
- 01:32:38,086 --> 01:32:40,387
- to talk to one
- of father Talbot's victims.
- 1675
- 01:32:40,389 --> 01:32:44,391
- He played hockey here.
- And he's one of the better ones.
- 1676
- 01:32:44,393 --> 01:32:47,994
- He's got a wife, kids, good job.
- 1677
- 01:32:49,196 --> 01:32:52,666
- About 10 minutes
- into the conversation,
- 1678
- 01:32:52,668 --> 01:32:54,167
- the guy breaks down.
- 1679
- 01:32:54,169 --> 01:32:56,403
- You know,
- couldn't stop crying.
- 1680
- 01:32:58,205 --> 01:33:01,841
- Said he could never figure out
- why father Talbot picked him.
- 1681
- 01:33:03,711 --> 01:33:06,446
- Father Talbot
- coached the hockey team.
- 1682
- 01:33:08,249 --> 01:33:09,950
- So...
- 1683
- 01:33:10,785 --> 01:33:13,453
- I guess we just got lucky.
- 1684
- 01:33:13,455 --> 01:33:15,155
- You and me.
- 1685
- 01:33:21,596 --> 01:33:25,065
- Does Jack Dunn work for the school?
- No, he's PR for Boston college.
- 1686
- 01:33:25,067 --> 01:33:27,067
- They call him
- when they need help.
- 1687
- 01:33:27,069 --> 01:33:29,135
- And Pete Conley,
- why was he there?
- 1688
- 01:33:29,137 --> 01:33:31,271
- Good question.
- Pete's a big alum.
- 1689
- 01:33:31,273 --> 01:33:33,974
- But I called Bill directly
- and I asked for a sit-down.
- 1690
- 01:33:33,976 --> 01:33:36,109
- I never mentioned
- anybody else.
- 1691
- 01:33:37,211 --> 01:33:39,713
- It's like everybody
- already knows the story.
- 1692
- 01:33:39,715 --> 01:33:43,183
- Yeah. Except us.
- And we work right there.
- 1693
- 01:33:46,722 --> 01:33:48,455
- Judge Volterra?
- Yes?
- 1694
- 01:33:48,457 --> 01:33:50,790
- Hi. I'm Mike Rezendes
- from the<i> Boston Globe.</i>
- 1695
- 01:33:50,792 --> 01:33:54,494
- I'm having some trouble accessing some
- public records down in the records room.
- 1696
- 01:33:54,496 --> 01:33:57,263
- I was wondering
- if I could have a word with you?
- 1697
- 01:33:57,265 --> 01:33:59,199
- All right.
- Thank you.
- 1698
- 01:34:00,935 --> 01:34:02,469
- Thank you very much.
- 1699
- 01:34:04,105 --> 01:34:08,475
- These exhibits you're after,
- Mr. Rezendes,
- 1700
- 01:34:08,477 --> 01:34:11,011
- they're very sensitive records.
- 1701
- 01:34:11,013 --> 01:34:14,014
- With all due respect, your honor,
- that's not the question.
- 1702
- 01:34:14,016 --> 01:34:15,749
- The records are public.
- 1703
- 01:34:16,851 --> 01:34:19,285
- Maybe so, but tell me,
- 1704
- 01:34:19,287 --> 01:34:21,354
- where's the editorial
- responsibility
- 1705
- 01:34:21,356 --> 01:34:23,523
- in publishing records
- of this nature?
- 1706
- 01:34:23,525 --> 01:34:27,360
- Well, where's the editorial responsibility
- in<i> not</i> publishing them?
- 1707
- 01:34:37,838 --> 01:34:40,306
- You can't take those.
- You need to make copies.
- 1708
- 01:34:40,308 --> 01:34:43,443
- I'm going to the copy room.
- It closed at 4:00.
- 1709
- 01:34:47,882 --> 01:34:49,949
- Look, I'll give you...
- 1710
- 01:34:51,886 --> 01:34:54,387
- 83 bucks
- to use yours.
- 1711
- 01:34:59,794 --> 01:35:02,228
- Hey! Cabbie!
- 1712
- 01:35:02,230 --> 01:35:05,532
- Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey!
- Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey!
- 1713
- 01:35:08,035 --> 01:35:10,837
- Take me to the<i> Boston Globe</i>
- on Morrissey Boulevard.
- 1714
- 01:35:10,839 --> 01:35:14,274
- Don't take 93.
- Take Dorchester Avenue.
- 1715
- 01:35:15,743 --> 01:35:17,844
- <i>Robby, it's incredible.</i>
- 1716
- 01:35:17,846 --> 01:35:20,547
- <i>Law knew about Geoghan
- for years, no question.</i>
- 1717
- 01:35:20,549 --> 01:35:23,750
- <i>There's a letter to law
- from a woman, Margaret Gallant,</i>
- 1718
- 01:35:23,752 --> 01:35:26,753
- <i>who lived in Jamaica plain
- in the early '80 when Geoghan was there.</i>
- 1719
- 01:35:26,755 --> 01:35:28,254
- <i>Listen to this.</i>
- 1720
- 01:35:28,256 --> 01:35:30,423
- <i>"Our family is rooted
- in the church."</i>
- 1721
- 01:35:30,425 --> 01:35:33,159
- <i>Our desire is to protect
- the Holy orders</i>
- 1722
- 01:35:33,161 --> 01:35:35,528
- <i>even in the midst of our agony</i>
- 1723
- 01:35:35,530 --> 01:35:38,865
- <i>"over the seven boys
- in our family who have been violated."</i>
- 1724
- 01:35:38,867 --> 01:35:41,334
- <i>Seven, Robby. Seven boys.</i>
- 1725
- 01:35:41,336 --> 01:35:44,437
- <i>"It was suggested
- we keep silent."</i>
- 1726
- 01:35:44,439 --> 01:35:47,941
- <i>We did not question the authority of
- the church two years ago.</i>
- 1727
- 01:35:47,943 --> 01:35:50,944
- <i>"But since father Geoghan
- is still in his parish... "</i>
- 1728
- 01:35:50,946 --> 01:35:54,681
- <i>but she sent it to law
- and law did shit.</i>
- 1729
- 01:35:54,683 --> 01:35:58,251
- <i>Here's another one to law,
- same year. Listen to this.</i>
- 1730
- 01:35:58,253 --> 01:36:00,920
- <i>"A word on the recent assignment
- of father Geoghan..."</i>
- 1731
- 01:36:00,922 --> 01:36:04,023
- <i>As an associate
- at St. Julia's in Weston.</i>
- 1732
- 01:36:04,025 --> 01:36:07,961
- <i>Father Geoghan has a history
- of homosexual involvement with young boys.</i>
- 1733
- 01:36:07,963 --> 01:36:10,597
- <i>I understand his recent departure
- from St. Brendan's</i>
- 1734
- 01:36:10,599 --> 01:36:12,599
- <i>may be related
- to this problem.</i>
- 1735
- 01:36:12,601 --> 01:36:15,902
- I wonder if father Geoghan
- should not be reduced to just weekend work
- 1736
- 01:36:15,904 --> 01:36:17,804
- while receiving
- some kind of therapy.
- 1737
- 01:36:17,806 --> 01:36:20,807
- You know how grateful I am to you
- for your constant concern.
- 1738
- 01:36:20,809 --> 01:36:22,542
- Sincerely yours
- in our lord,
- 1739
- 01:36:22,544 --> 01:36:26,312
- most reverend John M D'Arcy,
- auxiliary bishop of Boston.
- 1740
- 01:36:26,314 --> 01:36:27,947
- "December 7, 1984."
- 1741
- 01:36:27,949 --> 01:36:29,616
- An auxiliary bishop
- wrote that?
- 1742
- 01:36:29,618 --> 01:36:31,284
- That's incredible.
- 1743
- 01:36:31,286 --> 01:36:34,254
- He broke ranks.
- I mean, when did Gallant write her letter?
- 1744
- 01:36:34,256 --> 01:36:36,422
- 1984.
- And law just ignored it.
- 1745
- 01:36:36,424 --> 01:36:38,725
- How do you ignore
- that freakin' letter?
- 1746
- 01:36:38,727 --> 01:36:40,326
- We got 'em.
- 1747
- 01:36:40,328 --> 01:36:43,263
- You can't read these letters
- and think anything else. It's proof.
- 1748
- 01:36:43,265 --> 01:36:45,632
- Yeah, it is.
- 1749
- 01:36:45,634 --> 01:36:47,934
- This is good work.
- 1750
- 01:36:47,936 --> 01:36:50,069
- Should we take it
- up to Ben?
- 1751
- 01:36:50,071 --> 01:36:53,072
- Uh, no. Not yet.
- 1752
- 01:36:53,074 --> 01:36:56,676
- Why not?
- We got law. This is it.
- 1753
- 01:36:56,678 --> 01:37:00,413
- No, this is law covering for one Priest.
- There's another 90 out there.
- 1754
- 01:37:00,415 --> 01:37:03,783
- Yeah, we'll print that story when
- we get it, but we gotta go with this now.
- 1755
- 01:37:03,785 --> 01:37:07,187
- I'm not gonna rush this story, Mike.
- We don't have a choice, Robby.
- 1756
- 01:37:07,189 --> 01:37:09,355
- If we don't rush to print,
- 1757
- 01:37:09,357 --> 01:37:11,791
- somebody else is going to find
- these letters and butcher the story.
- 1758
- 01:37:11,793 --> 01:37:14,761
- Joe Quimby from the<i> Herald</i>
- was at the freaking courthouse.
- 1759
- 01:37:14,763 --> 01:37:18,298
- So we'll write a holding story
- and we'll keep our eye on the<i> Herald.</i>
- 1760
- 01:37:18,300 --> 01:37:20,200
- Keep our eye
- on the<i> Herald?</i>
- 1761
- 01:37:20,202 --> 01:37:22,202
- They run this and get it wrong,
- the church will bury it.
- 1762
- 01:37:22,204 --> 01:37:24,003
- - We gotta do this now.
- - Mike, Mike.
- 1763
- 01:37:24,005 --> 01:37:26,339
- What? Why are we hesitating?
- 1764
- 01:37:26,341 --> 01:37:28,708
- Baron told us to get law.
- This is law.
- 1765
- 01:37:28,710 --> 01:37:30,710
- Baron told us
- to get the system.
- 1766
- 01:37:30,712 --> 01:37:34,380
- We need the full scope. That's the only
- thing that will put an end to this.
- 1767
- 01:37:34,382 --> 01:37:36,349
- Then let's take it to Ben,
- let him decide.
- 1768
- 01:37:36,351 --> 01:37:38,218
- We'll take it to Ben
- when I say it's time.
- 1769
- 01:37:38,220 --> 01:37:42,222
- It's time, Robby! It's time!
- 1770
- 01:37:42,224 --> 01:37:46,226
- They knew and they
- let it happen. To kids!
- 1771
- 01:37:46,228 --> 01:37:49,229
- Okay? It could've been you.
- It could've been me.
- 1772
- 01:37:49,231 --> 01:37:51,731
- It could've been any of us.
- 1773
- 01:37:51,733 --> 01:37:53,566
- We gotta nail these scumbags.
- 1774
- 01:37:53,568 --> 01:37:56,703
- We gotta show people that nobody
- can get away with this.
- 1775
- 01:37:56,705 --> 01:38:00,406
- Not a Priest or a Cardinal
- or a freaking Pope!
- 1776
- 01:38:02,910 --> 01:38:04,911
- You finished?
- 1777
- 01:38:04,913 --> 01:38:08,214
- Yeah, I am.
- This is bullshit.
- 1778
- 01:38:36,845 --> 01:38:38,678
- You okay?
- 1779
- 01:38:41,181 --> 01:38:43,616
- Mmm.
- 1780
- 01:38:48,789 --> 01:38:50,256
- Hey, Hansi.
- 1781
- 01:38:51,125 --> 01:38:53,359
- Hard day at work, Mike?
- 1782
- 01:38:57,631 --> 01:38:59,565
- Here.
- Thank you.
- 1783
- 01:38:59,567 --> 01:39:02,402
- I-I-I-I don't know
- why I got so pissed off.
- 1784
- 01:39:02,404 --> 01:39:04,070
- You know,
- I think Robby's wrong.
- 1785
- 01:39:04,072 --> 01:39:08,041
- You know, you're just...
- you care about the story, Mike. We all do.
- 1786
- 01:39:09,777 --> 01:39:12,478
- Yeah, I guess.
- Hmm.
- 1787
- 01:39:14,648 --> 01:39:17,383
- I stopped going to church
- with my Nana.
- 1788
- 01:39:18,819 --> 01:39:20,820
- It was...
- it was too hard. I...
- 1789
- 01:39:20,822 --> 01:39:22,989
- you know,
- I'd be sitting there,
- 1790
- 01:39:22,991 --> 01:39:26,292
- and I would start thinking about
- Joe Crowley or someone else,
- 1791
- 01:39:26,294 --> 01:39:29,996
- and I just...
- I just got so angry.
- 1792
- 01:39:29,998 --> 01:39:32,565
- Did you...
- did you tell her why?
- 1793
- 01:39:34,001 --> 01:39:36,202
- She goes to church
- three times a week, Mike.
- 1794
- 01:39:41,076 --> 01:39:43,343
- It really pisses me off.
- 1795
- 01:39:44,678 --> 01:39:47,513
- You know,
- 1796
- 01:39:47,515 --> 01:39:51,017
- I actually really liked
- going to church when I was a little kid.
- 1797
- 01:39:51,019 --> 01:39:52,852
- Mmm.
- 1798
- 01:39:52,854 --> 01:39:55,822
- Why'd you stop?
- Typical shit.
- 1799
- 01:39:57,291 --> 01:39:59,425
- But the weird thing is is...
- 1800
- 01:40:02,529 --> 01:40:05,198
- I think i...
- 1801
- 01:40:05,200 --> 01:40:08,267
- I think I figured that
- maybe one day I w... I w...
- 1802
- 01:40:08,269 --> 01:40:12,438
- I would actually go back.
- 1803
- 01:40:13,474 --> 01:40:15,608
- I was really...
- I was holding on to that.
- 1804
- 01:40:15,610 --> 01:40:17,176
- Mm-hmm.
- 1805
- 01:40:18,379 --> 01:40:21,948
- I read those letters,
- and it...
- 1806
- 01:40:21,950 --> 01:40:26,219
- and something just... cracked.
- 1807
- 01:40:27,121 --> 01:40:29,389
- It's a shitty feeling.
- Yeah.
- 1808
- 01:40:30,724 --> 01:40:32,725
- It's a shitty feeling.
- 1809
- 01:40:36,330 --> 01:40:38,698
- Looks like a long day.
- Hey, Pete.
- 1810
- 01:40:38,700 --> 01:40:40,967
- I'm sorry to make it longer.
- 1811
- 01:40:40,969 --> 01:40:42,201
- Brian.
- 1812
- 01:40:43,370 --> 01:40:45,738
- Has anyone ever said no
- to a drink with you, Pete?
- 1813
- 01:40:45,740 --> 01:40:48,207
- Well, sure.
- 1814
- 01:40:48,209 --> 01:40:50,743
- But the trick
- is to keep asking.
- 1815
- 01:40:50,745 --> 01:40:52,812
- For Boston.
- Boston.
- 1816
- 01:40:53,847 --> 01:40:55,648
- Mmm.
- 1817
- 01:40:55,650 --> 01:40:58,985
- So, um, you here
- for the Cardinal?
- 1818
- 01:40:58,987 --> 01:41:00,586
- Oh, no, no, no, no.
- 1819
- 01:41:00,588 --> 01:41:04,390
- I wouldn't... I wouldn't presume
- to speak for the Cardinal, no.
- 1820
- 01:41:05,759 --> 01:41:09,562
- You know, you got a lot of people here
- who respect you, Robby.
- 1821
- 01:41:09,564 --> 01:41:12,165
- Oh, well...
- the work you do.
- 1822
- 01:41:12,167 --> 01:41:15,668
- That's good to know.
- It's 'cause you care about this place.
- 1823
- 01:41:15,670 --> 01:41:18,838
- It's why you do what you do.
- It's who you are.
- 1824
- 01:41:18,840 --> 01:41:24,210
- You know, but people need the church,
- more than ever right now.
- 1825
- 01:41:24,212 --> 01:41:26,412
- You know, you can feel it.
- 1826
- 01:41:26,414 --> 01:41:28,514
- And the Cardinal, uh...
- 1827
- 01:41:29,616 --> 01:41:33,052
- you know, the Cardinal,
- he might not be perfect.
- 1828
- 01:41:33,054 --> 01:41:36,456
- But we can't throw out all the good
- e's doing over a few bad apples.
- 1829
- 01:41:38,225 --> 01:41:42,295
- Now, you know, I'm bringing this up to
- you because I know this is Baron's idea.
- 1830
- 01:41:42,297 --> 01:41:44,063
- His agenda.
- 1831
- 01:41:44,065 --> 01:41:45,965
- I gotta tell ya,
- I mean, honest to God,
- 1832
- 01:41:45,967 --> 01:41:49,302
- I mean, he doesn't care
- about the city the way we do.
- 1833
- 01:41:49,304 --> 01:41:51,504
- I mean, how could he?
- 1834
- 01:41:57,478 --> 01:41:59,612
- This is how it happens,
- isn't it, Pete?
- 1835
- 01:41:59,614 --> 01:42:00,980
- What's that?
- 1836
- 01:42:00,982 --> 01:42:02,782
- A guy leans on a guy,
- 1837
- 01:42:02,784 --> 01:42:06,452
- and suddenly the whole town
- just looks the other way.
- 1838
- 01:42:07,988 --> 01:42:11,390
- Robby. Robby. Lookit.
- 1839
- 01:42:12,493 --> 01:42:15,595
- Marty Baron is just trying
- to make his mark.
- 1840
- 01:42:15,597 --> 01:42:18,264
- He's gonna be here for a couple
- of years and he's gonna move on.
- 1841
- 01:42:18,266 --> 01:42:21,234
- Just like he did
- in New York and Miami.
- 1842
- 01:42:22,503 --> 01:42:24,570
- Where are you gonna go?
- 1843
- 01:42:26,173 --> 01:42:27,807
- Hmm?
- 1844
- 01:42:29,309 --> 01:42:31,911
- Good night, Robby. Brian.
- 1845
- 01:42:33,013 --> 01:42:35,615
- Hey, uh, Pete.
- Yeah?
- 1846
- 01:42:35,617 --> 01:42:39,418
- Uh, when we do run the story,
- 1847
- 01:42:39,420 --> 01:42:41,988
- uh, I'm gonna need a comment
- from the Cardinal.
- 1848
- 01:42:44,191 --> 01:42:46,859
- We'll talk again later.
- Good night, Robby.
- 1849
- 01:42:46,861 --> 01:42:48,828
- Night, Pete.
- 1850
- 01:42:58,539 --> 01:43:00,039
- Robby.
- 1851
- 01:43:01,508 --> 01:43:03,209
- What?
- 1852
- 01:43:03,211 --> 01:43:05,578
- No shit. When?
- 1853
- 01:43:07,381 --> 01:43:09,782
- Okay. Yeah.
- 1854
- 01:43:12,653 --> 01:43:14,887
- Hey.
- 1855
- 01:43:14,889 --> 01:43:16,455
- What's up?
- 1856
- 01:43:17,491 --> 01:43:19,625
- Sweeney ruled
- in our favor.
- 1857
- 01:43:19,627 --> 01:43:21,861
- She ruled
- to unseal the documents.
- 1858
- 01:43:23,363 --> 01:43:25,765
- Geez.
- Huh.
- 1859
- 01:43:27,834 --> 01:43:30,069
- The church has already
- filed an appeal.
- 1860
- 01:43:30,071 --> 01:43:33,239
- But the trial court ruling
- is generally upheld in these matters.
- 1861
- 01:43:33,241 --> 01:43:35,708
- And when would we get
- the documents?
- 1862
- 01:43:35,710 --> 01:43:38,644
- Probably takes Cohen
- a few weeks to rule.
- 1863
- 01:43:38,646 --> 01:43:40,746
- Then there's
- a redaction process.
- 1864
- 01:43:40,748 --> 01:43:44,817
- Uh, I'd say they'd be
- made public mid-January.
- 1865
- 01:43:44,819 --> 01:43:46,252
- Okay.
- All right.
- 1866
- 01:43:46,254 --> 01:43:47,420
- Thanks, John.
- You bet.
- 1867
- 01:43:47,422 --> 01:43:48,688
- Nice work.
- Thanks.
- 1868
- 01:43:48,690 --> 01:43:51,257
- Metro should
- run something, Marty.
- 1869
- 01:43:51,259 --> 01:43:52,925
- We can't
- run this one big.
- 1870
- 01:43:52,927 --> 01:43:56,562
- Why wouldn't we?
- It's a major first amendment victory.
- 1871
- 01:43:56,564 --> 01:44:00,266
- Not to mention, you get an Irish Catholic
- judge ruling against the church?
- 1872
- 01:44:00,268 --> 01:44:02,768
- That's a hell of a precedent.
- Mm-hmm.
- 1873
- 01:44:02,770 --> 01:44:05,104
- We don't want the<i> Herald</i>
- going deep on this.
- 1874
- 01:44:05,106 --> 01:44:06,973
- Why's that?
- 1875
- 01:44:08,775 --> 01:44:11,110
- You're gonna have
- to step out, Peter.
- 1876
- 01:44:11,112 --> 01:44:12,812
- I'm not stepping out.
- 1877
- 01:44:21,054 --> 01:44:22,088
- Peter.
- 1878
- 01:44:36,771 --> 01:44:38,938
- When did you, uh...
- a couple of weeks ago.
- 1879
- 01:44:38,940 --> 01:44:40,640
- A couple of weeks?
- 1880
- 01:44:40,642 --> 01:44:42,308
- - Yeah.
- - And you're telling us now?
- 1881
- 01:44:42,310 --> 01:44:44,977
- These are substantial.
- 1882
- 01:44:44,979 --> 01:44:47,413
- They clearly show
- that law was negligent.
- 1883
- 01:44:47,415 --> 01:44:49,248
- I need more time.
- 1884
- 01:44:49,250 --> 01:44:51,317
- - I wanna keep digging.
- - For what?
- 1885
- 01:44:51,319 --> 01:44:53,653
- This is the goddamn story.
- It's not the whole story.
- 1886
- 01:44:53,655 --> 01:44:55,454
- Tough shit.
- We're on a clock now.
- 1887
- 01:44:55,456 --> 01:44:57,223
- Even if we don't run
- Sweeney's ruling,
- 1888
- 01:44:57,225 --> 01:44:59,458
- another paper could find these letters
- and fuck the story.
- 1889
- 01:44:59,460 --> 01:45:01,661
- Agreed. But we run
- these letters alone,
- 1890
- 01:45:01,663 --> 01:45:04,964
- law apologizes, says it's a one-time thing.
- He can bury it.
- 1891
- 01:45:04,966 --> 01:45:08,467
- How? These clearly show he knew
- and did nothing about it.
- 1892
- 01:45:08,469 --> 01:45:11,671
- Look, I'm close to stories
- on 70 Priests.
- 1893
- 01:45:11,673 --> 01:45:14,507
- We nail that,
- along with those letters,
- 1894
- 01:45:14,509 --> 01:45:18,010
- this is proof
- that this is bigger than law.
- 1895
- 01:45:18,012 --> 01:45:20,613
- It's the whole system.
- 1896
- 01:45:20,615 --> 01:45:23,082
- You have multiple sources
- confirming all those Priests?
- 1897
- 01:45:23,084 --> 01:45:26,686
- - On some. I can get more.
- - Too risky.
- 1898
- 01:45:26,688 --> 01:45:30,089
- If we're not buttoned up on every single
- one of them, the church will pick us apart.
- 1899
- 01:45:31,858 --> 01:45:34,527
- I think I can get us someone
- from the other side of the aisle.
- 1900
- 01:45:34,529 --> 01:45:37,363
- Somebody inside the church?
- 1901
- 01:45:37,365 --> 01:45:39,198
- Yeah. A lawyer.
- 1902
- 01:45:39,200 --> 01:45:41,300
- Will he go on the record?
- 1903
- 01:45:41,302 --> 01:45:43,769
- Deep background.
- But he's a solid source.
- 1904
- 01:45:47,374 --> 01:45:49,709
- Rezendes needs time
- to write the story.
- 1905
- 01:45:49,711 --> 01:45:52,611
- We don't want to drop it
- at Christmas, not after 9/11.
- 1906
- 01:45:53,547 --> 01:45:55,648
- We could run it
- just after new year's,
- 1907
- 01:45:55,650 --> 01:45:58,517
- before they release
- the rest of the documents.
- 1908
- 01:46:01,888 --> 01:46:03,823
- All right.
- 1909
- 01:46:03,825 --> 01:46:06,926
- Tell Canellos
- to bury the ruling in Metro.
- 1910
- 01:46:08,395 --> 01:46:10,363
- You got six weeks.
- 1911
- 01:46:10,365 --> 01:46:12,732
- Thank you.
- 1912
- 01:46:12,734 --> 01:46:15,067
- Tell Mike
- I want a draft by Christmas.
- 1913
- 01:46:15,069 --> 01:46:17,203
- And we need a response
- from Lake Street.
- 1914
- 01:46:17,205 --> 01:46:19,405
- Who does PR for the Cardinal?
- Still John Walsh?
- 1915
- 01:46:19,407 --> 01:46:23,008
- No, somebody new. Donna Morrissey.
- She came from TV. She's young.
- 1916
- 01:46:23,010 --> 01:46:25,845
- Good. Get a quote. We need something
- from law to appear evenhanded.
- 1917
- 01:46:25,847 --> 01:46:28,314
- Robby, next time give me
- a goddamn heads-up.
- 1918
- 01:46:28,316 --> 01:46:30,516
- Will do.
- 1919
- 01:47:52,833 --> 01:47:55,668
- Robby, what a nice surprise.
- 1920
- 01:47:55,670 --> 01:47:57,236
- Come on in.
- 1921
- 01:48:03,478 --> 01:48:07,012
- Hey, hon,
- look who I found outside.
- 1922
- 01:48:09,616 --> 01:48:11,984
- Karen, can you
- give us a minute?
- 1923
- 01:48:13,019 --> 01:48:16,155
- Sure.
- Good to see you, Karen.
- 1924
- 01:48:19,359 --> 01:48:20,926
- What's up?
- 1925
- 01:48:35,509 --> 01:48:38,210
- I'm out of time, Jim.
- 1926
- 01:48:38,212 --> 01:48:41,547
- We've got cover-up stories
- on 70 Priests.
- 1927
- 01:48:41,549 --> 01:48:45,951
- But the boss isn't gonna run it
- unless I get confirmation from your side.
- 1928
- 01:48:48,188 --> 01:48:49,855
- Are you out of your mind?
- 1929
- 01:48:49,857 --> 01:48:52,491
- Come on.
- This is our town, Jimmy.
- 1930
- 01:48:52,493 --> 01:48:57,563
- Everybody knew something was going on,
- and no one did a thing.
- 1931
- 01:48:57,565 --> 01:49:01,500
- - We gotta put an end to it.
- - Don't tell me what I gotta do.
- 1932
- 01:49:01,502 --> 01:49:04,670
- Yeah, I helped defend these scumbags,
- but that's my job, Robby.
- 1933
- 01:49:04,672 --> 01:49:07,106
- I was doing my job.
- 1934
- 01:49:08,174 --> 01:49:10,242
- Yeah.
- 1935
- 01:49:10,244 --> 01:49:11,977
- You and everyone else.
- 1936
- 01:49:20,587 --> 01:49:22,321
- Get out of my house.
- 1937
- 01:49:33,333 --> 01:49:34,833
- Hey!
- 1938
- 01:49:36,269 --> 01:49:39,004
- You come to my home
- and lay this shit on me?
- 1939
- 01:49:39,906 --> 01:49:42,174
- You were right, Robby.
- 1940
- 01:49:42,176 --> 01:49:45,110
- We all knew
- something was going on.
- 1941
- 01:49:45,112 --> 01:49:49,348
- So where were you?
- What took you so long?
- 1942
- 01:49:55,689 --> 01:49:57,289
- I don't know, Jim.
- 1943
- 01:50:02,462 --> 01:50:04,863
- Give me the list.
- 1944
- 01:50:59,853 --> 01:51:02,254
- Larry, we're going to press
- in six hours.
- 1945
- 01:51:02,256 --> 01:51:04,523
- Donna Morrissey said she'd call us
- with a quote from law hours ago.
- 1946
- 01:51:04,525 --> 01:51:06,992
- That's what I thought.
- When did you talk to her?
- 1947
- 01:51:06,994 --> 01:51:09,194
- Okay. Okay, Larry.
- Yeah.
- 1948
- 01:51:09,196 --> 01:51:12,531
- Yeah. Yeah, that's good
- to know. Thanks, Pete.
- 1949
- 01:51:12,533 --> 01:51:14,299
- Anything?
- 1950
- 01:51:14,301 --> 01:51:16,935
- Conley said Donna Morrissey should've called.
- He just left lake street.
- 1951
- 01:51:16,937 --> 01:51:18,837
- Yeah, Rasky said
- the same thing.
- 1952
- 01:51:18,839 --> 01:51:21,140
- This is ridiculous.
- You'd think they want to get ahead of this.
- 1953
- 01:51:21,142 --> 01:51:23,275
- I mean,
- they'd be idiots not to.
- 1954
- 01:51:23,277 --> 01:51:26,478
- I would love to see their faces
- when they read this thing.
- 1955
- 01:51:26,480 --> 01:51:29,014
- Sunday's the feast
- of the Epiphany.
- 1956
- 01:51:29,016 --> 01:51:31,850
- That seems appropriate.
- 1957
- 01:51:36,623 --> 01:51:38,223
- Mike Rezendes.
- 1958
- 01:51:39,559 --> 01:51:41,393
- Hey, Donna.
- 1959
- 01:51:41,395 --> 01:51:44,797
- Thanks for calling. Yeah, I just had a few
- questions if you have a minute.
- 1960
- 01:51:47,133 --> 01:51:48,267
- What?
- 1961
- 01:51:49,669 --> 01:51:52,237
- What?
- Another adjective.
- 1962
- 01:51:53,707 --> 01:51:55,741
- Anything?
- Law just turned us down.
- 1963
- 01:51:55,743 --> 01:51:57,342
- Jesus Christ.
- 1964
- 01:51:57,344 --> 01:51:59,478
- I just got off the phone
- with Donna Morrissey.
- 1965
- 01:51:59,480 --> 01:52:02,915
- She said, quote, "we don't even want to
- know what the questions are," end quote.
- 1966
- 01:52:02,917 --> 01:52:04,750
- - She really said that?
- - Yeah.
- 1967
- 01:52:04,752 --> 01:52:06,485
- Well, that ought
- to do it.
- 1968
- 01:52:06,487 --> 01:52:08,220
- "The church
- had no interest
- 1969
- 01:52:08,222 --> 01:52:10,889
- in knowing what the<i> Globe's</i> questions
- would be."
- 1970
- 01:52:12,092 --> 01:52:14,593
- Work it in somewhere before the jump.
- Anything else?
- 1971
- 01:52:14,595 --> 01:52:18,363
- Matt wants to put the letters online
- so the readers can see for themselves.
- 1972
- 01:52:18,365 --> 01:52:20,899
- We can run the URL
- at the bottom of the article.
- 1973
- 01:52:20,901 --> 01:52:22,768
- - It's pretty straightforward.
- - Okay.
- 1974
- 01:52:22,770 --> 01:52:26,271
- We also put the Spotlight tip line at the
- end of the story so people can call in.
- 1975
- 01:52:26,273 --> 01:52:27,773
- Goes directly
- to our office.
- 1976
- 01:52:27,775 --> 01:52:30,275
- Matt and I can go in in the morning
- in case we get any calls.
- 1977
- 01:52:30,277 --> 01:52:32,444
- Yeah, I'm more concerned
- about the phones at reception.
- 1978
- 01:52:32,446 --> 01:52:35,581
- After we ran the Porter case,
- the message centers were tied up for weeks.
- 1979
- 01:52:35,583 --> 01:52:37,750
- It's a real problem.
- There were picketers too.
- 1980
- 01:52:37,752 --> 01:52:39,218
- Lots of 'em.
- 1981
- 01:52:39,220 --> 01:52:41,453
- I'll talk to Richard about
- the security and the phones.
- 1982
- 01:52:41,455 --> 01:52:44,289
- Uh, how are we coming
- on the folo story?
- 1983
- 01:52:44,291 --> 01:52:47,860
- Well, we've nailed down
- multiple stories on 70 Priests.
- 1984
- 01:52:48,762 --> 01:52:50,562
- - All 70?
- - Mm-hmm.
- 1985
- 01:52:50,564 --> 01:52:53,132
- And with confirmation from Robby's source,
- we're ready to go.
- 1986
- 01:52:53,134 --> 01:52:55,367
- We can have a draft
- next week.
- 1987
- 01:52:55,369 --> 01:52:59,037
- Robby, that source of yours,
- is it something we could revisit?
- 1988
- 01:53:00,640 --> 01:53:02,407
- It might be tough.
- 1989
- 01:53:02,409 --> 01:53:05,544
- But he has no problem helping the
- church protect dozens of dirty Priests.
- 1990
- 01:53:05,546 --> 01:53:08,413
- - Guy's a scumbag.
- - He's a lawyer. He's doing his job.
- 1991
- 01:53:08,415 --> 01:53:10,916
- - He's a shill for the church.
- - He knew and did nothing.
- 1992
- 01:53:10,918 --> 01:53:13,485
- He could've said something years ago,
- maybe saved some lives.
- 1993
- 01:53:13,487 --> 01:53:16,255
- What about us?
- 1994
- 01:53:16,257 --> 01:53:18,991
- - What's that supposed to mean?
- - We had all the pieces.
- 1995
- 01:53:18,993 --> 01:53:21,059
- Why didn't<i> we</i> get it sooner?
- 1996
- 01:53:21,061 --> 01:53:23,228
- We didn't have all the pieces.
- We had Saviano.
- 1997
- 01:53:23,230 --> 01:53:25,063
- We had Barrett.
- We had Geoghan.
- 1998
- 01:53:25,065 --> 01:53:26,999
- We had the directories
- in the basement.
- 1999
- 01:53:27,001 --> 01:53:30,836
- - You know what? We got it now.
- - Robby, the story needed Spotlight.
- 2000
- 01:53:30,838 --> 01:53:34,173
- Mike, Spotlight's
- been around since 1970.
- 2001
- 01:53:34,175 --> 01:53:37,176
- So what? We couldn't see
- the scope of this. No one could.
- 2002
- 01:53:37,178 --> 01:53:39,545
- Robby, this started
- with one goddamn Priest.
- 2003
- 01:53:42,081 --> 01:53:45,017
- Macleish sent us a letter
- on 20 Priests years ago.
- 2004
- 01:53:45,019 --> 01:53:46,952
- Sacha found the clip.
- 2005
- 01:53:46,954 --> 01:53:49,021
- You freaking kidding?
- Twenty Priests?
- 2006
- 01:53:49,023 --> 01:53:50,689
- When?
- 2007
- 01:53:51,858 --> 01:53:54,927
- Uh, just after Porter.
- December '93.
- 2008
- 01:53:54,929 --> 01:53:57,663
- We buried the story in Metro.
- No folo.
- 2009
- 01:53:58,765 --> 01:54:00,365
- That was you?
- 2010
- 01:54:01,668 --> 01:54:03,268
- You were Metro.
- 2011
- 01:54:04,370 --> 01:54:07,206
- Yeah. That was me.
- 2012
- 01:54:07,208 --> 01:54:09,708
- I'd just taken over.
- I don't remember it at all.
- 2013
- 01:54:10,977 --> 01:54:12,277
- But yeah.
- 2014
- 01:54:15,548 --> 01:54:17,716
- Um,
- 2015
- 01:54:17,718 --> 01:54:20,452
- can I, uh,
- say something here?
- 2016
- 01:54:21,654 --> 01:54:23,488
- Sometimes it's easy to forget
- 2017
- 01:54:23,490 --> 01:54:27,025
- that we spend most of our time
- stumbling around in the dark.
- 2018
- 01:54:27,027 --> 01:54:28,660
- Suddenly a light gets turned on,
- 2019
- 01:54:28,662 --> 01:54:31,730
- and there's a fair share
- of blame to go around.
- 2020
- 01:54:33,700 --> 01:54:36,235
- I can't speak to
- what happened before I arrived,
- 2021
- 01:54:36,237 --> 01:54:41,406
- but, uh, all of you have done
- some very good reporting here.
- 2022
- 01:54:41,408 --> 01:54:44,076
- Reporting that I believe
- is gonna have an immediate
- 2023
- 01:54:44,078 --> 01:54:47,145
- and considerable impact
- on our readers.
- 2024
- 01:54:49,082 --> 01:54:52,584
- For me, this kind of story
- is why we do this.
- 2025
- 01:54:52,586 --> 01:54:54,186
- Having said that,
- 2026
- 01:54:54,188 --> 01:54:56,355
- Cardinal law
- and the Catholic Community
- 2027
- 01:54:56,357 --> 01:54:58,724
- are gonna have
- a very strong response to this.
- 2028
- 01:54:59,859 --> 01:55:02,094
- So if you need a moment,
- 2029
- 01:55:02,096 --> 01:55:03,862
- you've earned it.
- 2030
- 01:55:03,864 --> 01:55:06,398
- But, uh,
- 2031
- 01:55:06,400 --> 01:55:08,433
- I will need you back here
- Monday morning,
- 2032
- 01:55:08,435 --> 01:55:12,571
- focused and ready
- to do your job.
- 2033
- 01:55:20,213 --> 01:55:23,081
- - Leaving?
- - Yeah.
- 2034
- 01:55:28,888 --> 01:55:31,556
- I, uh, just got a call
- from the Cardinal.
- 2035
- 01:55:31,558 --> 01:55:33,458
- Really. Why?
- 2036
- 01:55:33,460 --> 01:55:36,862
- He wanted to tell me personally
- that he decided not to comment.
- 2037
- 01:55:36,864 --> 01:55:41,633
- Yeah. Said he wanted to, uh,
- extend me that courtesy.
- 2038
- 01:55:41,635 --> 01:55:44,970
- Jesus, the balls on that guy.
- What did you say?
- 2039
- 01:55:44,972 --> 01:55:48,807
- I told him he was making a mistake and that
- we were gonna run the story.
- 2040
- 01:55:48,809 --> 01:55:51,043
- Damn right
- we're gonna run it.
- 2041
- 01:56:15,335 --> 01:56:17,502
- Sacha, can I have
- a drink of water?
- 2042
- 01:56:18,638 --> 01:56:21,239
- Yeah. Sure, Nana. Yeah.
- 2043
- 01:56:32,018 --> 01:56:33,652
- Can I keep this?
- 2044
- 01:56:34,821 --> 01:56:36,288
- Sure.
- 2045
- 01:56:36,290 --> 01:56:38,857
- I thought you
- should see it first.
- 2046
- 01:56:38,859 --> 01:56:40,826
- Thank you for bringing it by.
- 2047
- 01:56:43,196 --> 01:56:46,698
- Now, I have some clients
- I have to attend to.
- 2048
- 01:56:53,207 --> 01:56:55,440
- Yeah.
- 2049
- 01:57:03,883 --> 01:57:05,817
- Both kids were abused.
- 2050
- 01:57:05,819 --> 01:57:08,453
- Jamaica Plain.
- Two weeks ago.
- 2051
- 01:57:10,056 --> 01:57:14,126
- Keep... doing your work,
- Mr. Rezendes.
- 2052
- 01:57:15,728 --> 01:57:17,462
- - Hello.
- - Hello.
- 2053
- 01:57:17,464 --> 01:57:19,398
- How are you guys doing?
- 2054
- 01:57:19,400 --> 01:57:22,200
- - Good, thanks.
- - Good.
- 2055
- 01:58:08,448 --> 01:58:11,049
- - Hey.
- - Good morning.
- 2056
- 01:58:11,051 --> 01:58:13,085
- How'd you sleep?
- 2057
- 01:58:13,087 --> 01:58:15,120
- Not very well. You?
- 2058
- 01:58:15,122 --> 01:58:17,255
- I haven't slept well for months.
- Mmm.
- 2059
- 01:58:18,424 --> 01:58:21,560
- Oh, thanks.
- I, uh, actually started writing.
- 2060
- 01:58:21,562 --> 01:58:23,762
- Writing?
- Yeah, I've been working on a book.
- 2061
- 01:58:23,764 --> 01:58:25,897
- Gives me something else
- to focus on.
- 2062
- 01:58:25,899 --> 01:58:29,101
- What kind of book?
- Horror.
- 2063
- 01:58:29,103 --> 01:58:30,602
- Yeah.
- 2064
- 01:58:35,708 --> 01:58:37,976
- Spotlight.
- 2065
- 01:58:37,978 --> 01:58:39,478
- Yeah.
- 2066
- 01:58:39,480 --> 01:58:42,214
- Yeah, of course. Can I, uh...
- can I get your name, please?
- 2067
- 01:58:58,598 --> 01:59:01,833
- You do know it's Sunday, right?
- Couldn't get a tee time.
- 2068
- 01:59:04,804 --> 01:59:07,139
- No picketers.
- Yeah.
- 2069
- 01:59:07,141 --> 01:59:09,674
- Probably still at church.
- 2070
- 01:59:11,344 --> 01:59:14,312
- Hey, Linda.
- It's quiet, huh?
- 2071
- 01:59:14,314 --> 01:59:16,481
- Yeah. Easiest overtime
- I ever made.
- 2072
- 01:59:16,483 --> 01:59:18,316
- Phone hasn't rung once.
- 2073
- 01:59:18,318 --> 01:59:20,919
- Marty sent two of mine
- down to Spotlight.
- 2074
- 01:59:24,157 --> 01:59:25,757
- Great article, guys.
- Thank you.
- 2075
- 01:59:25,759 --> 01:59:28,026
- Thanks.
- Spotlight?
- 2076
- 01:59:51,284 --> 01:59:52,651
- Okay. Yep.
- 2077
- 01:59:52,653 --> 01:59:54,452
- Spotlight. Can I help you?
- 2078
- 01:59:54,454 --> 01:59:56,221
- Phones have been ringing
- all morning.
- 2079
- 01:59:56,223 --> 01:59:58,490
- Spotlight.
- 2080
- 01:59:58,492 --> 02:00:00,759
- - Mike, can you grab that?
- - Yeah, yeah.
- 2081
- 02:00:01,661 --> 02:00:04,029
- They're almost all victims,
- Robby.
- 2082
- 02:00:05,965 --> 02:00:09,067
- - I'm sorry to make you wait.
- - Sacha Pfeiffer.
- 2083
- 02:00:09,069 --> 02:00:10,902
- I'm sorry...
- can you...
- 2084
- 02:00:13,140 --> 02:00:14,873
- yes, you can reach me here.
- 2085
- 02:00:14,875 --> 02:00:17,242
- This is Spotlight.
- 2086
- 02:00:20,013 --> 02:00:21,646
- Can I get your name?
- 2087
- 02:00:21,648 --> 02:00:25,850
- Did you happen to have any contact
- with anybody that was there afterward?
- 2088
- 02:00:25,852 --> 02:00:28,987
- Do you remember
- what year this was?
- 2089
- 02:00:28,989 --> 02:00:31,256
- Which parish was it?
- 2090
- 02:00:31,258 --> 02:00:32,924
- This is Spotlight.
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