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- +RemoveSoul
- Donald Trump hates the US military.
- All Trump supporters hate the US military.
- +bahstreet
- lol
- +Forest`
- RemoveSoul i don't think that is accurate.
- Dreamstwice right
- +RemoveSoul
- Forest`: Do you agree that John Kelly, chief of staff to Donald Trump, USMC 4-star general, lied about his son's death in order to defend Donald Trump?
- +Forest`
- RemoveSoul i don't know anything about that
- +RemoveSoul
- Then don't tell me what's accurate.
- +bahstreet
- lol/
- +RemoveSoul
- And don't play the role of 'unbiased moderate' where Trump supporters are people of a different viewpoint.
- No. Every Trump supporter hates the US military.
- Because that is what it means to support Trump.
- +Forest`
- RemoveSoul you were generalizing, and as a generalization it was not accurate
- +RemoveSoul
- Forest`: Donald Trump disrespects, attacks, and lies to the parents of recently killed US military personnel.
- +bahstreet
- RemoveSoul your sure your fine ?
- +RemoveSoul
- Is there a greater hatred of the military than that?
- +Forest`
- Trump respects no one who does not serve his purposes. That is not the same as hating anyone or everyone
- i am not a fan of Trump. I am a huge supporter of truth and accuracy
- +RemoveSoul
- So your contention is that he doesn't hate the military, They're just equally useless to him as everything else.
- Meanwhile, he lazily sends US military personnel to their death because he's a terrible CiC.
- But, that's not all like hatred.
- +bahstreet
- RemoveSoul Army is not useless to Trump i am sure he wants to start few wars.
- +RemoveSoul
- And the supporters of his who provide cover for him in this activities?
- What's their secret, totally not hatred motivation?
- +bahstreet
- Dreamstwice You mean like really rich dad deferment ?
- lol
- Shame he did not claim he had bad head.
- I could actually believe that
- +RemoveSoul
- Imagine being a 4-star USMC general, and getting up behind the White House podium, and lying about your son's death to defend Donald Trump.
- It just amazes me. No character. Kelly violated many USMC core values.
- +bahstreet
- Not that i would want to go and die in hands of some Russians..
- +RemoveSoul
- Trump is going to be remember was one of the biggest traitors in US history.
- +bahstreet
- So cannot really tell him off too much
- +RemoveSoul
- http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/usmc/leadership_traits.htm
- Here are the 14 leadership traits of USMC leaders.
- +Forest`
- RemoveSoul there is a difference between abuse and neglect. The results may be the same but solutions are different
- +RemoveSoul
- Definition: Integrity means that you are honest and truthful in what you say or do. You put honesty, sense of duty, and sound moral principles above all else.
- Suggestions for Improvement: Be absolutely honest and truthful at all times. Stand up for what you believe to be right.
- So, John Kelly has no integrity
- Definition: Courage is what allows you to remain calm while recognizing fear. Moral courage means having the inner strength to stand up for what is right and to accept blame when something is your fault. Physical courage means that you can continue to function effectively when there is physical danger present.
- So, John Kelly does not have moral courage.
- Forest`: You'd think actions that unnecessarily kill people would be pretty high up on the spectrum of disrespect for a thing.
- +Forest`
- Dreamstwice true, but he knowingly and willingly took that impossible job.... I had hoped because he did have the courage to do something helpful :\
- +RemoveSoul
- John Kelly's legacy is going to be shit.
- He'll be remembered as a key enabler for a traitor.
- +Forest`
- RemoveSoul yes, but that is still not hate. To "hate" you have to actually care
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- +RemoveSoul
- LordGloom is a dangerous philosopher.
- +Forest`
- RemoveSoul that is so contradictory.... since "philospher" literally means "lover of wisdom". But i know what you mean.
- +RemoveSoul
- Forest`: He questions everything. Even the cherished beliefs of our operators.
- He has to go. You can't run a channel like that.
- +Forest`
- questioning everything is good, as long as the questioner is actually open to learning something
- +RemoveSoul
- Forest`: Communities use power to return those in power to the egoic roots of our childhood.
- Did you ever notice that?
- +Forest`
- i'm not sure what you mean. Can you give an example?
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- +RemoveSoul
- Forest`: When we are children, we begin by only having our own perspective in mind. We are socialized over many years, and our brain develops, to realize there are other people that are very much like us. We have to learn how to integrate the needs and desires of ourself with the needs and desires of others.
- This is what it means to live in civilization.
- In some ways, though, it's kind of hard and not always very fun. We keep fond memories of our childhood when we could just grab toys and blurt out, "I want!"
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- +RemoveSoul
- So, many communities, including chatrooms like #debates, empower operators to return to this egoic roots. This is a very powerful lure.
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- +Forest`
- RemoveSoul we aren't required to join in chat channels
- +RemoveSoul
- That is why operators feel so disrespected when you have viewpoints that differ from their own. In their egoic perspective, you're literally a destroyer of worlds. And the entire apparatus supports their behavior through a lack of accountability.
- Forest`: You have this tendency to not respond to any of my content and then type out a non sequitur.
- I wonder what your compulsion for that is.
- Whether we are required or not required to join chat channels is, literally, 100%, wholly irrelevant to my entire analysis.
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- +Forest`
- I guess we'll have to disagree on what is relevant
- +RemoveSoul
- You are teaching me to not engage you in serious debate on philosophy or politics.
- As you are compelled to follow what you perceive to be the 'center line', not rocking the boat.
- ⓘ Debates set mode -b [email protected], -b o`[email protected]
- +Forest`
- RemoveSoul if you do not with to engage me I have no problem with that.
- Ignoring Forest`!*@*
- +RemoveSoul
- Forest`: I put you on ignore for awhile.
- Reason: You don't actually debate anything.
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