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<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Dam is, or ashlynn? either way, dam wasn't all that much involved.
<Damarus[Chezario]> [Dam is, we don't know about ashlynn]
<Damarus[Chezario]> [He's in a lot of pain tonight as was last night, dealing with it in his own roundabout way right now]
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Damarus can ignore this chat then if that helps, he was only slightly involved.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Anyway, I have the bulk of the nonsense from last night, and I'll give a tldr of what happened.
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<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Glad you could make it. Damarus might be afk for this, because medical reasons.
<Ashlynn> mhm.  Sorry, was getting squared away for work
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> How much time do you have?
<Ashlynn> i'm good now
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> ah, ok.
<Ashlynn> 7 hours and 50 minutes? lol
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Right, so tldr, Argentum was asking questions in #meta, and Forge was answering them. Argentum was being either obtuse or trolling, and since they were known to troll in other channels, Forge assumed they were trolling, and then called them a dick. I Ashlynn was there for the bulk of the questioning, but not there when the name calling started. I showed up just after the name calling.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> uh
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Right, so tldr, Argentum was asking questions in #meta, and Forge was answering them. Argentum was being either obtuse or trolling, and since
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> that didn't show up for some reason.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> So, afterwards, I told Forge to not call people dicks, and a lot of people stepped up to defend Forge, while he tried to argue his way out of it.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> The end result is that I warned forge, again, (this time at Ashylnn's suggestion) and asked if the warning was clear, and Forge refused to answer, so it was dropped.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> The chat went dead, and other people went to talk to forge in #tulpamagick.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> What is everyone else's perspectives on this?
<Malfael> argentum is a known troll yes
<Ashlynn> I feel the majority of the conversation with forge should have been held in PM.  But you guys don't really jive too well.  It might have turned out better if we'd discussed it in private first
<Malfael> however he wasn't trolling this time
<Malfael> and this is a recurring issue in #meta
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Which issue?
<Malfael> and then the mod issue really should have been taken care of quickly
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Because this is an onion of problems.
<Malfael> '-' people honestly walking in with questions and being snubbed
<Malfael> and tbh forge is /the/ snubber
<Ashlynn> i see a bigger problem of getting troll answers
<Ashlynn> shishi does this all the fucking time
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> And what have you done about it?
<Ashlynn> i've told him not to do it on multiple occassions
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Did you warn shishi? Could have told us to keep an eye on them if this is a reoccuring problem.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> This is also a separate issue.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Here's where I fucked up. I should have just warned Forge, rather than debating him about it, off the bat.
<Malfael> mhm
<Malfael> I agree, but then you know that so I've little to say on it
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> I agreed with Damarus, that there was nothing wrong with talking about it publicly. I don't think we have to be some sort of secret club of mods about shit, and if everyone sees what is going on, then people have logs. If we do our job right, and other people try to talk shit in pm or other channels about us or the incident, we have backup.
<Malfael> shit fucked up. happens to us all
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> So where else did this go wrong, on your ends?
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> You all must be typing a lot :P
<Ashlynn> I was playing a game at the time, i didn't expect it to turn into a shit show
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> I meant after Forge broke the rules.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> We all weren't there for the rule breaking (especially since no one pinged us).
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> We were there afterwards.
<Ashlynn> to be honest i think both were in the wrong and it just ended up being a clash of two egos.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Both in reffering to whom?
<Malfael> I saw it all
<Malfael> like I said, you have it down pat
<Ashlynn> Argentum and Forge i felt were both in the wrong.
<Malfael> the only thing I'm concerned about moving forward is the attitude of metafolk to outsiders
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Agreed.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Ok, fine. Here's my perspective. I would do the compliment sandwich bullshit, but you guys know I like you, so I am going to get to the real deal.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Mal, if you knew it should have been resolved quickly with a warning, instead of switching out or having eme tell us to move into another chat, you could have suggested that in the very beginning. You didn't, but hey, fuckups happen, and we all let it drag out.
<Malfael> '-' you had like.. three mods there already. If you want me to be such a righteous bitch as to override two admins and a moderator I will but I figured you'd figure it out as you were so eager to
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> I'm saying you could have just pmed me and said "Yo, let's just warn Forge and be done with it" and I would have been like "mmkay"
<Malfael> you knew my stance, eme told you
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Not to rip my ass.
<Malfael> I didn't?
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> You never pmed me.
<Malfael> I told eme to tell you what I thought
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> I'm re-reading the logs as we go.
<Malfael> you ignored me
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> hold on, I will re read.
<Ashlynn> Shishi needs to receive a proper warning.  He trolled trick into believing that his energy system needed to be sealed after the discussion earlier.  He PM'd me believing his system needed to be sealed after Damarus and I poked about with it.
<Malfael> okay so do it ash
<Ashlynn> ... I was conferring with you guys first?
<Malfael> dude shishi is such a troll idk why you'd need us to confirm :P but thank you for it XD
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Yeah, Eme just told me to take it to metadebate.
<Malfael> paste his exact words
<Malfael> because he did mention me
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> <Eme> far be it of me to take El's position, but this seems like a discussion for metadebate
<Ashlynn> 02:23 <Ashlynn> hmm?
<Ashlynn> 02:24 <Trick_> since shishi is about as useful as a parrot
<Ashlynn> 02:25 <Trick_> what do I do about the unsealed soul I was left with after you left?
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> That was the only suggestion.
<Ashlynn> 02:26 <Ashlynn> unsealed soul?  Huh?
<Ashlynn> 02:27 <Trick_> You put some energy into me,
<Ashlynn> 02:27 <Trick_> had to go to work
<Ashlynn> 02:28 <Trick_> and shishi said it was time to seal me up
<Ashlynn> 02:28 <Trick_> but is too lazy to do that
<Ashlynn> 02:28 <Ashlynn> shishi was trolling
<Ashlynn> 02:28 <Trick_> motherfaker...
<Ashlynn> 02:28 <Ashlynn> I didn't "unseal" anything
<Ashlynn> 02:28 <Trick_> well that is good...
<Ashlynn> 02:28 <Ashlynn> I just poked your energy system with energy.
<Ashlynn> y
<Ashlynn> sorry for bad formatting
<Ashlynn> also my time's off, ignore that
<Malfael> Nycto{Siouxsie}: yes. he said that was my position
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Ashlynn, we are not talking about shishi.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> We can talk about that later.
<Malfael> you wanted my advice? I gave it
<Malfael> you wanted not to be torn a new one? you got it
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Yeah, you said to take it to another channel, not to just warn Forge and be done with it.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Well, eme did.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> You get the point.
<Malfael> you didn't seem interested in what I had to say
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Sheesh you didn't even fuck up there bro.
<Malfael> and I was already in a switch
<Malfael> again, if you want me to be aggressive with my stance I will, but understand that if you say yes to this I will openly confront you, ash, and damarus when this gets out of hand
<Malfael> because all three of you carry on with these discussions that I do not feel are necessary
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> You talked about the situation, how you read the logs, and not how to end the situation. Then you switched, and eme said to take it to another channel.
<Malfael> meta is /made/ of drama queens. warn em, kick em, get it over with
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> You weren't even talking to me the time you were there, you were talking to Forge and them.
<Malfael> yes I did. again, you didn't seem interested in the non-confrontive advice I had on the situation
<Malfael> you still haven't answered my question
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Did you think I should have warned Forge right at the beginning?
<Ashlynn> meta is going to have egos.  We should worry when there's full on fighting/trolling and so forth going on, but if we are too aggressive we are going to drive more people out of the channel than we draw in
<Malfael> I think you and forge were going to have a go at it and nothing short of me chewing you out in pm would have stopped that
<Ashlynn> like it or not, all four of us have our own ego issues in regards to it.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Fine. Also, what question? I pasted exactly what eme said...
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> <Eme> far be it of me to take El's position, but this seems like a discussion for metadebate
<Malfael> I asked if you wanted me to be more forceful with my moderating opinions in the future
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Hm.
<Malfael> I was first responder :P but I got crowded out by you and dam and ash
<Malfael> so I dropped it
<Malfael> you know what, now that I think of it, that's a good issue to bring up
<Malfael> I /was/ responding, and then I got muscled out
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> I want to hear your opinion, so if you have a suggestion about how to handle a specific situation while I am in it, sure, pm me. Guy needs to be warned and I am bickering with them? go "Yo, Nycto, stop bickering, just warn the bitch, they broke the rules.
<Malfael> could you maybe let me do my job next time? >_>
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Actually, Mal, I was the one responding first. I started talking as soon as Argentum left.
<Ashlynn> I was only really trying to stop the confrontational state of the discussion
<Ashlynn> it's usually regarded as a bad thing to ridicule and shame someone in public when moderating
<Malfael> didn't I start it when forge called him a troll?
<Malfael> and I was like "no bro"
<Ashlynn> The approach felt to me like it was more about putting forge in his place than saying "no, please don't do that"
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> <Argentum> whats with the name calling
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> <Argentum> all i asked was why she thinks it isnt a shame
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> <Argentum> but eh, drama isnt my cuppa tea
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<Nycto{Siouxsie}> <Nycto{Siouxsie}> wtf
<Ashlynn> My opinion
<Malfael> oh well then
<Malfael> in that case I return to my original statements :P
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> :P
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Right. Not Ashlynn, here's how I viewd how you handled the situation.
<Malfael> shhh shhh I was switching time is screwy then
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Someone clearly broke the rules, and violated the very idea of what the chatroom is supposed to be about, a place for people to discuss metaphysics without being treated like shit. This isn't for people who are into meta, this is for everyone. Forge has repeatedly made that chatroom uncomfortable for people, and this time he clearly broke the rules. Mods were stepping in to see what the situation was and take action. You
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> , pretty much the entire time, were defending Forge, even though he was clearly breaking the rules what we all agreed to. Sure, I definitely made the situation longer than it should have, but you also made that situation worse. You were going back on the job you agreed to do in that chatroom to defend someone whom you like.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> god damnit.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> ok, it didn't delete anything.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> I know you guys don't believe me, but I couldn't have given a rat's ass that it was Forge breaking the rules or not in that situation. They were broken. That isn't up for debate or discussion, no matter how much Forge and other people tried to make it.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Calling people dicks, running out people with legit questions, is NOT acceptable behavior.
<Ashlynn> i could play politics, but my entire point was simply that i strongly disagreed with how the situation was approached.  Causing drama to fix drama isn't how it goes.  Both Argentum and Forge were in the wrong and I'd have said as much last night.  It could've been handled on a more civil level with one line and not the very aggressive conversation that ensued.
<Ashlynn> I, infact, attempted to defuse the situation with one such line
<Ashlynn> And it was quiet until Forge was dragged through the mud over it
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Argentum was not breaking any of the rules. Clearly was not.
<Ashlynn> I disagree.  I *was* incorrect that Argentum started it
<Ashlynn> Argentum DID start mocking
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Bullshit, I have the log right in front of me.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> how?
<Ashlynn> you asked for my opinion on the matter and i'm giving it
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Validate it then.
<Ashlynn> his tone turned towards being mocking and derisive.  It set Forge off
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> That was how you and Forge read into it.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> http://pastebin.com/CYmY5dgM
<Ashlynn> Again, you asked for my opinion on the matter and i'm giving it.  Forge and I did not speak and I resent the assertion that we did.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> You talked in #tulpamagick after the incident for well over an hour.
<Ashlynn> There's nothing stating that I am not allowed to participate in another channel?  I talked about unrelated subjects.  I meant that Forge and I did not speak in regards to the situation so any alignment of my opinion of the matter with his is coincidence.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Read what Argentum was doing. There was nothing insulting about any of it. Forge called someone a dick. THAT is against the rules.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> And the issue I have isn't what Argentum did, it was what FORGE did.
<Ashlynn> I disagree.  Argentum's tone turned towards being mocking and derisive -- but not against the rules.  In my view it specifically triggered forge to break the rules
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> It doesn't matter, at all, if Argentum was actually trolling or not.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Forge still broke the rules.
<Ashlynn> As I said last night, Forge was provoked
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Too fucking bad.
<Ashlynn> That doesn't mean he didn't break the rules
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> He assumed he was being provoked. If he was or was not, that's a debate for the sages. The fact of the matter is that he did not handle being provoked correctly, and in fact, broke the rules.
<Ashlynn> A simple "hey, chill" would probably have dissolved the situation if anyone were around.  Afterwards when I requested we drop it, it was in fact quiet until you came in
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> But the whole time we were talking about it, you were trying to stick up for forge's actions.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> I came in, literally, as it ended.
<Ashlynn> My issue in the matter was the passive aggressive way you handled it and literally dragging forge through the mud while doing it.  I disagree with that
<Ashlynn> In my view, Forge was provoked and being unnecessarily ridiculed for it.
<Ashlynn> A simple warning would've done fine
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> The whole reason Forge was in the mud in the first place was that he jumped into it, and part of the reason he got dragged along was because you were defending his mud hopping habbit.
<Ashlynn> brb, I have w ork task to handle
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<Ashlynn> Great, i have to issue a nonconformance.  ANother couple minutes
<Ashlynn> Ok, done and back
<Ashlynn> tfw you basically moderate a service desk
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Look at it from my perspective for a second. I come in, see that Forge has run off *another* person from the chat room. I ask what happened, and people talk about it. You come in and try to stop people from talking about it. I say that Forge clearly broke the rules, but instead of just going "Yeah, he had motivations for it, but he broke the rules, let's give him a warning" you kept it going. (and are now complaining tha
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> t it kept on going). After everything happens, you leave to go talk with Forge on his channel. The channel that changed it's topic to rip on ours, because of a conversation you had with Forge instead of with us, like you should have. Forge has been acting like a dick to people, caused so many problems that we had to change our rules, and when he clearly breaks a rule right in front of you, you are stepping up for the guy
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> . How do you think I feel?
<Ashlynn> My talking in there had only to do with there being activity there and a comment that I felt similarly on.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> And the rest of it?
<Ashlynn> We agreed that we were going to leave that situation in the past.  Let me remind you that we were not on speaking terms at that time.  And that's all I'll say on that as I'd rather leave the past in the past.
<Ashlynn> I'm not even the same person as I was then
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Fine, you don't want the past brought up?
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Where do you get off trying to defend a person who clearly broke the rules? If you wanted it done faster, you could have said to warn him in the beginning. You could have warned him in the beginning. The person I was talking to the most about that situation wasn't forge, it was you.
<Ashlynn> Because his anger was provoked, and a simple "forge, please don't do that" would have sufficed
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> That worked soooo well in the past.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> I don't care what people's reasons are.
<Ashlynn> you were very, very aggressive and humiliated him by treating him like a child with the "do you understand" stuff
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Don't break the rules.
<Ashlynn> And I heavily disagreed with your approach
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> the reason I did the "do you understand" thing was because other people, including forge, when they were warned, said that my warnings were ambiguous.
<Ashlynn> That isn't how it was taken.
<Ashlynn> by me, I mean
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> You disagreed with my approach? Fine. Why didn't you just warn forge for breaking the rules, and then it would have been done?
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> You saw what happened, you knew he broke the rules, why didn't you enforce them?
<Ashlynn> From my view it was more like pushing a kids face into dogshit and asking them whether they understood why you're shoving their face into dogshit
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> I would have just warned forge and have been done with it as soona s I saw what happened if people didn't keep bickering with me about it. One of those people bickering with be about it was you.
<Ashlynn> I told you, I was playing a game, you got to it before I did.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> And when you started talking with me about it in the chat?
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> You could have ended this early, too.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> But you didn't.
<Ashlynn> Because, as I said, I felt you were being too aggressive and not understanding the provocation.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> I. don't. care. that. forge. was. provoked.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> At all.
<Ashlynn> You should, that's my point.
<Ashlynn> context is crucial
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Oh, does me knowing he was provoked suddenly mean that there will be a time shift and he didn't call them a dick and pmed a mod?
<Ashlynn> Even law has space for context in adjudicating a situation
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> He ran someone out of the fucking channel!
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> He called people a dick!
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> That's breaking the rules!
<Ashlynn> I never said it wasn't.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> He chose to, he could have been mature about it and delt with it without being aggro.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> He acted like a prick, and he got in trouble for it.
<Ashlynn> And so could you have.  You already admitted you came on too aggressively earlier in the discussion.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> I don't care if he *thought* that someone was being a dick, he broke the rules regardless.
<Ashlynn> And that aggression was the entire issue I had with how it was handled
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> And frankly, after dealing with Reguile and other people on the irc network, I call bullshit on him feeling like that was insulting.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> The wording was not insulting.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> If he got butthurt about it, too bad. He could have pmed us.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> but he broke the rules.
<Ashlynn> That doesn't justify jumping him and treating him like a two year old.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Does how I acted change the fact he broke the rules?
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> No.
<Ashlynn> If you want me to be completely honest, I felt your actions were borderline breaking the rules yourself.  "Don't be a dick".
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> He did, and I found out what happened, and then when we were talking about what happened and I said "hey, doesn't matter, rules." YOU and a few other people kept going on about how terrible the other person was.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Who gives a damn, he broke the rules! He gets a warning!
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Really now?
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Fine then, link me any time where I said something worse than Forge has said.
<Ashlynn> I think we should agree to disagree here.  We both agree that the rules were broken and we both agree that deserves a warning.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Of that whole conversation.
<Ashlynn> I just disagree with the approach.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> My whole point is that you done fucked up.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> I fucked up, yeah. And I said that.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> but you fucked up.
<Ashlynn> And I will openly state that I view rules as guidelines and that I feel context matters.  If this conflicts with how you want to run the channel, then I'll gladly step aside.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Next time, if forge breaks a rule, or if someone else breaks a rule, act like a mod. Give them the warning, no hugbox. Don't try to argue with other mods about WHY the person broke the rules, since WHY they broke the rules does not fucking matter, the rules were broken.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Our rules are clear, and frankly, easy going.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Don't insult people.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> If you insult people, you broke the rules.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> And you should REALLY get in trouble if you are constantly running people out of the chatroom, like Forge does.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> And if you are picking and choosing who you mod based on how you like them, that's a biased mod.
<Ashlynn> I think it would be best if I step down.  My moderation views differ too greatly and I would prefer if they did not get in the way of us being able to talk and be friends, as it already has.
<Ashlynn> I think it would be best if I step down.  My moderation views differ too greatly and I would prefer if they did not get in the way of us being able to talk and be friends, as it already has.
<Ashlynn> It has little to do with personally being friends with forge.  if it were Metatron and not forge I probably would have reacted similarly
<Ashlynn> Where I am biased is against Argentum, not towards forge
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Fine. You're naturally welcome in the channel, but if you aren't willing to enforce the rules, that's fine.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Fine. You're naturally welcome in the channel, but if you aren't willing to enforce the rules, that's fine.
<Ashlynn> If someone is a known troll, i am going to think of them as a troll.
<Ashlynn> I still view Gabe that way.
<Ashlynn> And that's probably not fair to Gabe
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> You're right.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> It isn't fair.
<Ashlynn> I do not respect trolls.
<Ashlynn> and they rarely change
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> You think people who cause problems can't ever change?
<Ashlynn> Gabe is growing on me but his actions make it a slow process
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> People are stuck as how they are?
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Should be always judged by what they have done?
<Ashlynn> Not that, but that they rarely have reason to change
<Ashlynn> you have to want to change
<Ashlynn> Gabe is trying.
<Ashlynn> And i'm trying really damn hard to give him a chance.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> It's not fair to them. I don't like Reguile, at all. BUT if he does not actually break the rules, he's allowed to speak in the channel. Because that was the whole point of the fucking channel, a place for everyone, and as long as they aren't being a dick IN THERE, they can talk.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> If I judged people like you, I would have never let Zero or them in there.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Or Reguile.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Or Forge.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> And I actually like Forge, believe it or not
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Except when he is being a dick to people.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> And that shit don't fly here.
<Ashlynn> You do realize that I fought myself on letting them remain in there too, yeah?
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Oh, so people who can cause trouble do change?
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> You have to be objective.
<Ashlynn> I never said that they couldn't.
<Ashlynn> I said that my opinions of people don't change easily
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> That guy last night said shit that you *assumed* was trolling, but if you read it, it could have been any other conversation.
<Ashlynn> and that's because they rarely have reason to change, and trolls like to pretend to change but really don't.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> I don't care if they are faking nice as long as they aren't causing trouble.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> And if they cause trouble, we stop it.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> I won't arrest people for crimes they might do.
<Ashlynn> I can't recall actually moderating someone based on it.  Except Zero in #tulpa (although he legitimately was trolliing).  At best I might act colder towards them.
<Ashlynn> Either way.  i'm working on it.
<Ashlynn> Funny enough that was when I got told i'm not allowed to moderate Zero.  Because only Ea was allowed to moderate Zero or whatever bullshit that was at the time
<Ashlynn> but that's another drama
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> There's a lot of bullshit with mods.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> A lot of which I have tried to do shit about.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> the redditulpas people were both lucky and unlucky that I didn't send them my letter about the whole /me bullshit
<Ashlynn> That was a major player in why I decided to leave
<Ashlynn> Also constant criticism and Drimu and Josh spreading things behind my back but that too yeah
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Those two have become problems.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> imo.
<Malfael> >_> yes
<Malfael> <_< yes
<Malfael> I've been watching guys look see
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> suuuuuuuuure