Chat with Based Godfish

[05:31] Based Godfish: lol
[05:31] Based Godfish: tf is that site?
[05:31] Disaster Area: lutra's forum
[05:31] Based Godfish: never heard of it b4
[05:31] Disaster Area: it's been around a few years
[05:32] Disaster Area: it has a bigger RBY community than smogon at least
[05:32] Based Godfish: hmm ok
[05:32] Disaster Area: I'm doing my best to grow it on the oras side of things
[05:32] Disaster Area: but there's a ton of pitfalls
[05:32] Based Godfish: how so?
[05:32] Disaster Area: and I'm about to make my last effort to make it in some waya accessible to the masses
[05:32] Disaster Area: well
[05:32] Disaster Area: I on my own and even with a couple of friends, it's difficult to get the message of what this tier's about available
[05:33] Based Godfish: is there any special gimmicks
[05:33] Disaster Area: it's also difficult to have it properly coded into a server, although I do have it coded (under an old and misleading name) on one at least
[05:33] Based Godfish: for building
[05:33] Disaster Area: nah it's a balanced and diverse meta
[05:33] Based Godfish: by that i mean is it any more unique than showdown
[05:33] Disaster Area: it just has much fewer mons banned than smogon's
[05:33] Based Godfish: lol
[05:33] Based Godfish: like what?
[05:33] Based Godfish: whats allowed?
[05:33] Disaster Area: well
[05:33] Disaster Area: ho-oh is an s rank mon
[05:33] Disaster Area: lol
[05:34] Based Godfish: tf?
[05:34] Based Godfish: in ou?
[05:34] Disaster Area: if you have a look in the thread
[05:34] Disaster Area: I explain what
[05:34] Disaster Area: the ruleset is
[05:34] Based Godfish: hmm
[05:34] Disaster Area: and then if you look ath the viability rankings
[05:34] Based Godfish: ok
[05:34] Disaster Area: and you'll see that actually
[05:34] Disaster Area: though not quite as diverse as smogon's OU, it's still diverse with lots of room for creativity and lesser mons to work
[05:34] Disaster Area: I mean right now I have
[05:34] Disaster Area: over 20 teams for this tier in my teambuilder
[05:35] Disaster Area: and about 7-8 cores I want to work with
[05:35] Disaster Area: when I get the time to build
[05:35] Based Godfish: hm
[05:35] Based Godfish: its a different sim right?
[05:36] Disaster Area: no we use PS
[05:36] Disaster Area: x_x
[05:36] Based Godfish: oh rofl
[05:36] Disaster Area: though we do have a PO server that only has gen 1/2 available on it lol
[05:36] Disaster Area: ya I don't have the ability to craft a different sim or whatever
[05:36] Disaster Area: and u know as well as I
[05:36] Disaster Area: PS doesn't need replacing and it does a good job
[05:36] Based Godfish: lol
[05:36] Disaster Area: the trouble is the way smogon have the whole joint set up is
[05:36] Disaster Area: if you're not called nintendo, it's going to be impossible to get your tier
[05:37] Disaster Area: onto the main server
[05:37] Based Godfish: so basically i could use
[05:37] Based Godfish: shit like aegislash and mega mawile still?
[05:37] Disaster Area: which hugely is stunting its growth
[05:37] Disaster Area: yeah
[05:37] Disaster Area: though they're not that good they're definitely viable
[05:37] Based Godfish: wtf?
[05:37] Disaster Area: I've got a team each with both of those
[05:37] Based Godfish: dude hold up i need to bring back my old xy laddering team
[05:37] Based Godfish: that had mega mawile
[05:38] Disaster Area: well do you expect either of them to be that good in a meta with ho-oh as an S rank threat
[05:38] Based Godfish: it was the first one i made that peaked 1800
[05:38] Based Godfish: on xy ladder
[05:38] Disaster Area: nice
[05:38] Disaster Area: honestly though the meta plays more like XY Ubers than XY OU
[05:38] Based Godfish: hmmm
[05:38] Based Godfish: unfort
[05:38] Disaster Area: but uh like smogon we will have
[05:38] Disaster Area: lower tiers
[05:38] Disaster Area: in due course
[05:38] Disaster Area: so probably in 2U
[05:38] Disaster Area: you can abuse mega maw
[05:38] Disaster Area: but there'll be a few better mons to keep it in check
[05:38] Disaster Area: read the whole of the thread i make everything pretty clear
[05:39] Based Godfish: yeah i personally wasnt for
[05:39] Based Godfish: the mawile
[05:39] Based Godfish: or aegi bans
[05:39] Disaster Area: about how the tiers below are formed
[05:39] Based Godfish: hmmm ok
[05:39] Based Godfish: you could just
[05:39] Based Godfish: make a po server
[05:39] Disaster Area: ya but
[05:39] Disaster Area: how many people
[05:39] Disaster Area: are gonna use it lol
[05:39] Based Godfish: that hosts every tier
[05:40] Disaster Area: I mean
[05:40] Based Godfish: i mean
[05:40] Disaster Area: it's something we can do
[05:40] Disaster Area: but
[05:40] Disaster Area: it won't make much of a difference
[05:40] Based Godfish: if you have a way to advertise it
[05:40] Disaster Area: it won't help
[05:40] Disaster Area: your poor ladder noob
[05:40] Disaster Area: who wishes he could use
[05:40] Disaster Area: greninja or mega mawile in OU
[05:40] Based Godfish: hello?
[05:40] Disaster Area: cos they're his favourite pokemon
[05:40] Based Godfish: r u seriously calling me a noob? rofl
[05:40] Disaster Area: no
[05:40] Disaster Area: I was making
[05:40] Disaster Area: a general statement
[05:40] Based Godfish: oh i gotchu
[05:40] Disaster Area: about soemone who doesn't even know
[05:40] Disaster Area: why choice scarf is a good item
[05:40] Disaster Area: but you know in a few years a lot of those people
[05:41] Disaster Area: if they were to continue
[05:41] Disaster Area: or at least some of them
[05:41] Disaster Area: would become decent players
[05:41] Based Godfish: lol
[05:41] Disaster Area: but with smogon's tiering system, if they can't use their favourite mon
[05:41] Disaster Area: they might just quit
[05:41] Disaster Area: you get what I'm saying right?
[05:41] Disaster Area: so
[05:41] Based Godfish: i started in xy and i'm already taking off to do tours
[05:41] Disaster Area: if we had a ladder for oras 1u
[05:41] Based Godfish: ye i do
[05:41] Disaster Area: then more people
[05:41] Disaster Area: would play competitive pokemon in general
[05:41] Disaster Area: since more people can use their favourite mons
[05:41] Disaster Area: in tiers where they're not useless
[05:41] Based Godfish: hmmmm true
[05:42] Disaster Area: actually on that note our way of
[05:42] Disaster Area: determining the lower tiers etc
[05:42] Disaster Area: actually deals with that issue with BL BL2 etc getting pretty full surprisingly well
[05:42] Based Godfish: ye?
[05:42] Disaster Area: lemme describe basically
[05:42] Disaster Area: how it works is say
[05:42] Disaster Area: everytrhing B+ and above
[05:42] Disaster Area: OU
[05:42] Disaster Area: everything B- and below
[05:42] Disaster Area: UU
[05:42] Disaster Area: everything B rank
[05:42] Disaster Area: council votes
[05:42] Disaster Area: now
[05:42] Based Godfish: oml thats fucking genius
[05:42] Disaster Area: look at what mons are OU
[05:42] Disaster Area: and look at
[05:42] Disaster Area: what mons are shitty and shouldn't be OU
[05:42] Based Godfish: mmhm
[05:43] Disaster Area: (conkeldurr, sylveon, previosuly donphan)
[05:43] Disaster Area: they would drop
[05:43] Disaster Area: and above in like B+ and A-
[05:43] Disaster Area: you have like
[05:43] Disaster Area: volcarona and politoed and stuff
[05:43] Disaster Area: which should be OU
[05:43] Disaster Area: but are BL
[05:43] Disaster Area: and in mid B rank
[05:43] Disaster Area: you have a mix of
[05:43] Disaster Area: OU BL and UU
[05:43] Disaster Area: but you have the council voting
[05:43] Disaster Area: so you know
[05:43] Disaster Area: it'd work out well enough
[05:43] Based Godfish: so basically viability rankings deterimine the tiers
[05:43] Based Godfish: instead of usage
[05:43] Disaster Area: yeah
[05:43] Disaster Area: AND that means
[05:43] Disaster Area: everyone gets a say too
[05:43] Based Godfish: thats fucking smart
[05:43] Disaster Area: and people with huge biases are
[05:43] Based Godfish: as shit
[05:43] Disaster Area: obviosuly visible
[05:43] Disaster Area: for having it
[05:44] Based Godfish: why didn't smogon do this in the first place ;-;
[05:44] Based Godfish: i always never understood why usage decides whats good in a tier
[05:44] Based Godfish: and what isnt
[05:44] Disaster Area: because usage is more objective arguably, but I think
[05:44] Disaster Area: at this stage in competitive pokemon
[05:44] Disaster Area: this approach works better
[05:44] Based Godfish: hm ok
[05:45] Based Godfish: so is there a way
[05:45] Based Godfish: that i can help out?
[05:45] Disaster Area: that's what i'm thinking about now
[05:45] Based Godfish: cause i like this approach a lot
[05:45] Disaster Area: I'm so happy with your response though
[05:45] Disaster Area: yeah hmm
[05:45] Disaster Area: see what I'd rather do
[05:45] Disaster Area: than try and chagne smogon
[05:45] Based Godfish: ye?
[05:45] Based Godfish: i wasnt gonna change smogon rofl
[05:45] Based Godfish: they're p much set in their ways
[05:45] Disaster Area: (hint: takes ages, lots of bureaucracy, we won't have it sorted before gen 7 and oras wouldn't get backwards-fixed)
[05:46] Disaster Area: yeah
[05:46] Disaster Area: ok so what
[05:46] Disaster Area: I want to do
[05:46] Disaster Area: but will be
[05:46] Disaster Area: REALLY fucking hard
[05:46] Disaster Area: to do
[05:46] Based Godfish: make a new sim? lel
[05:46] Disaster Area: is to have
[05:46] Disaster Area: ORAS 1U
[05:46] Disaster Area: on PS main
[05:46] Disaster Area: even if it's just tacked on at the bottom..
[05:46] Based Godfish: on the ladder as like a seperate tier?
[05:46] Disaster Area: hell even just as a challenge/tournament option would be
[05:46] Disaster Area: a huge step
[05:46] Disaster Area: yeah
[05:46] Based Godfish: hmmm
[05:46] Disaster Area: if it had a ladder that'd be great
[05:46] Disaster Area: but I already
[05:46] Disaster Area: spoke with marty
[05:46] Disaster Area: and he was like
[05:47] Based Godfish: who tf
[05:47] Based Godfish: is marty?
[05:47] Disaster Area: no way it'd ever happen
[05:47] Disaster Area: he's a leader on PS
[05:47] Based Godfish: yes but
[05:47] Disaster Area: he's just involved in
[05:47] Based Godfish: who
[05:47] Disaster Area: the sim development
[05:47] Based Godfish: ohhhhh
[05:47] Based Godfish: kkk
[05:47] Disaster Area: he isn't to do with the tiering
[05:47] Based Godfish: gotcha
[05:47] Disaster Area: but he understands how PS works and how it works with Smogon and stuff
[05:47] Based Godfish: ye
[05:47] Disaster Area: so pretty much what I'm feeling
[05:48] Disaster Area: consigned to doing
[05:48] Disaster Area: is making a post in the suggestions thread
[05:48] Disaster Area: x_x
[05:48] Disaster Area: it feels so petty but it'd be
[05:48] Disaster Area: a monster of a post
[05:48] Disaster Area: lol
[05:48] Based Godfish: you got skype btw bruh it'd be a lot easier to discuss this shit over a call if you don't mind?
[05:48] Disaster Area: it's about 6am where I am
[05:48] Disaster Area: x_x
[05:48] Disaster Area: my sleep habits are fucked up lol
[05:48] Disaster Area: I live in the UK
[05:48] Disaster Area: but you can have my skype anyway, just don't call me rn
[05:49] Based Godfish: also i don't see why you don't make your own sim and find people who know how to code n such etc
[05:49] Based Godfish: and ye thats fine
[05:49] Disaster Area: live:gsalomon_2
[05:49] Disaster Area: because
[05:49] Disaster Area: I don't have the ability to do that
[05:49] Based Godfish: i'll hit u up like monday because i work today
[05:49] Disaster Area: and I don't haev anywhere near like
[05:49] Disaster Area: the potential connections
[05:49] Based Godfish: oh
[05:49] Based Godfish: :/
[05:49] Disaster Area: ya so that's
[05:49] Disaster Area: why
[05:49] Disaster Area: I would try
[05:49] Disaster Area: this approach
[05:49] Disaster Area: x_x
[05:50] Based Godfish: eh
[05:50] Based Godfish: idk if you would like this idea
[05:50] Based Godfish: but would you consider basically making that part of a different sim?
[05:50] Based Godfish: i.e. pokebattle
[05:50] Disaster Area: if I had
[05:50] Disaster Area: the powers to do so
[05:50] Disaster Area: I would
[05:50] Disaster Area: hmm
[05:51] Based Godfish: dw bro
[05:51] Disaster Area: ya but pokebattle
[05:51] Disaster Area: is kinda dead
[05:51] Disaster Area: x_x
[05:51] Based Godfish: i kinda do
[05:51] Based Godfish: dw
[05:51] Disaster Area: I mean
[05:51] Disaster Area: maybe if we can
[05:51] Based Godfish: its coming back
[05:51] Disaster Area: revive blue kirby
[05:51] Disaster Area: oh
[05:51] Disaster Area: !
[05:51] Disaster Area: !!!!!!!!!!
[05:51] Based Godfish: they are rebuilding everything rn
[05:51] Disaster Area: do you think
[05:51] Disaster Area: we could
[05:51] Disaster Area: damn
[05:51] Disaster Area: ok ok
[05:51] Disaster Area: who's
[05:51] Disaster Area: in charge of
[05:51] Based Godfish: and i can run it by my friend kouhai who is basically helping blue kirby and cephlin develop it
[05:51] Based Godfish: again
[05:51] Based Godfish: cause what they'r edoing rn
[05:51] Based Godfish: is
[05:51] Disaster Area: can you
[05:52] Disaster Area: get me into a skype group or something
[05:52] Based Godfish: tearing down the sim and remaking it from scratch
[05:52] Disaster Area: me you the 3 dudes developping it
[05:52] Based Godfish: working out the kinks that failed the first time
[05:52] Based Godfish: erm
[05:52] Based Godfish: i was gonna run it by them
[05:52] Based Godfish: as an idea
[05:52] Based Godfish: first
[05:52] Disaster Area: alright
[05:52] Based Godfish: but see pokebattle does their tiers off of a point system
[05:53] Based Godfish: so idk how to present the idea
[05:53] Based Godfish: to kouhai
[05:53] Disaster Area: mm
[05:53] Disaster Area: ya I know how their system works and
[05:53] Disaster Area: obviously our system is a lot more similar to PS's
[05:53] Based Godfish: and if you want a ladder with it i'd say this is your best shot imo since most of the pokes like aegislash and mawile are already allowed in ou
[05:53] Disaster Area: just be clear to them what it is and WHY it is
[05:54] Based Godfish: hmm
[05:54] Based Godfish: ik what it is but
[05:54] Based Godfish: send me some skype logs
[05:54] Based Godfish: on the "why"
[05:54] Based Godfish: and the what
[05:54] Disaster Area: hmm
[05:54] Based Godfish: just so i can give them to him and he can look it over
[05:54] Disaster Area: can I just
[05:54] Disaster Area: present you with
[05:54] Disaster Area: chat logs I had with marty;
[05:54] Disaster Area: our chat logs from here
[05:55] Based Godfish: hmmm ok
[05:55] Disaster Area: the intro to the tier
[05:55] Disaster Area: and I'll pass you
[05:55] Disaster Area: a few other links
[05:55] Disaster Area: from pokemon perfect
[05:55] Based Godfish: ye just send them over skype
[05:55] Based Godfish: or in a pastebin
[05:55] Based Godfish: pastebin would be a lot easier for him to read
[05:55] Disaster Area: yeah