chellaranier

some ranting about skills

Dec 10th, 2012
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  1. [04:44:44] Sugar Kyle > people will just abuse it
  2. [04:44:56] Sugar Kyle > and you can run all the tutorial missions
  3. [04:45:00] Sugar Kyle > which mneans they could do that x12
  4. [04:45:08] Sugar Kyle > or they have to take away the other 11 tutorials which sucks for people that fucked up
  5. [04:45:14] Sugar Kyle > orstarted and went inactive and lost hteirs
  6. [04:45:46] Althalu Jaynar > We all started at 50k, so shall all the rest, mohaha
  7. [04:45:47] Katniss Everet > not if it was a limit to once per toon.
  8. [04:46:06] Morphine Dream > i starte with none
  9. [04:46:12] Sugar Kyle > no
  10. [04:46:13] Morphine Dream > so did deno
  11. [04:46:17] Sugar Kyle > becuase that never happens anywhere else in the game
  12. [04:46:17] Althalu Jaynar > What if you pick the wrong career path?
  13. [04:46:19] Katniss Everet > you started with some
  14. [04:46:30] Sugar Kyle > never again will you randomly get rewarded skillpoint pools
  15. [04:46:35] Morphine Dream > maybe like 12k at the most
  16. [04:46:37] Sugar Kyle > nor would I wish for there to be any precident to such a thing
  17. [04:46:40] Katniss Everet > that is why you do all the tutorial missions then chose,
  18. [04:46:56] Sugar Kyle > and its forcing everyone to do them
  19. [04:47:03] Sugar Kyle > people just want to make alt accoutns and get busy doing shit
  20. [04:47:03] Althalu Jaynar > What of those people that are making alts?
  21. [04:47:06] Sugar Kyle > which is one of eves dreams
  22. [04:47:10] Sugar Kyle > that you dont HAVE to do any of that shit
  23. [04:47:12] Althalu Jaynar > Do they need to run the tutorials?
  24. [04:47:31] Althalu Jaynar > I will just be quiet, sugar got this
  25. [04:47:49] Sugar Kyle > you would then be assigning a prereq to every new charater started that they would have to do this skill pool
  26. [04:47:54] Sugar Kyle > also what about alts that are not training
  27. [04:48:01] Sugar Kyle > they'd be able to access a skill point pool to use
  28. [04:48:05] Sugar Kyle > without a main having to stop training
  29. [04:49:29] Lain Hiden > Shit's fine as it is, if you ask me :P
  30. [04:50:16] Sugar Kyle > you are just suffering from iwantmoreitiscuzI'mnew Kat
  31. [04:50:17] Sugar Kyle > that's all
  32. [04:50:30] Katniss Everet > So what your saying is instead of eve raising the minimum sp you start with, since new players are now 9 years behind in training.. because no one should get free sp.. yet you are ok with getting free sp for BC and Destroyer...
  33. [04:50:42] Sugar Kyle > they are not nine years behind in training
  34. [04:50:47] Sugar Kyle > they are *not* nine years behind in training
  35. [04:50:50] Sugar Kyle > that is bullshit
  36. [04:50:55] Katniss Everet > th game started in 2003
  37. [04:50:56] Sugar Kyle > otherwise no one would ever be able to enter this game
  38. [04:50:57] Sugar Kyle > first of all
  39. [04:50:59] Sugar Kyle > that doesnt mean SHIT
  40. [04:51:06] Sugar Kyle > it means that they have more access to more things on one account then you do
  41. [04:51:06] Sugar Kyle > thats all
  42. [04:51:12] Sugar Kyle > they cant do it any better then someone else that trains into it
  43. [04:51:15] Sugar Kyle > they just can do more things with one account
  44. [04:51:23] Sugar Kyle > handing out gobs of skill points ius not the answer tot hat situation
  45. [04:51:26] Sugar Kyle > it only devlaues everything else
  46. [04:51:37] Sugar Kyle > people are getting 'free' skill ppoints for dessie and BS because they can fly it NOW
  47. [04:51:40] Sugar Kyle > and ccp sis taking ti AWAY from them
  48. [04:51:47] Sugar Kyle > nothing is being taken away from new players
  49. [04:52:06] Sugar Kyle > ccp is not invalidating entire chunks of some players fleets that htey have played and flown for years becuase they are restructing skills
  50. [04:52:14] Sugar Kyle > that in no way at all aligns with giving new players more skill points
  51. [04:52:19] Sugar Kyle > nor does it have anything to do with time
  52. [04:52:30] Sugar Kyle > an old player that starts a new path will be in the exact same spot as a new player in that new path
  53. [04:52:40] Sugar Kyle > thats what makes eve so damn charming and allows people to compete
  54. [04:52:45] Adenosine > o.O
  55. [04:52:47] Sugar Kyle > and its what gives people something to strive for in the future
  56. [04:53:00] Sugar Kyle > but in no way does handing out gobs of skill points which will only be abused by the expierenced players
  57. [04:53:01] Althalu Jaynar > "oh snap!"
  58. [04:53:02] Sugar Kyle > compensate or help
  59. [04:53:06] Sugar Kyle > anyone that has started to play this game
  60. [04:53:15] Sugar Kyle > because the amount of skill points you'd need to 'reach' them is enormious
  61. [04:53:21] Sugar Kyle > and on top of that
  62. [04:53:32] Sugar Kyle > what you would miss along the path is learning how to play the game
  63. [04:53:39] Sugar Kyle > and no amount of skill points will help you learn to play eve
  64. [04:53:48] Sugar Kyle > and you will still burn in a terrible fire while fit perfectly because you ddint learn
  65. [04:53:52] Sugar Kyle > and learning is what you do across that path
  66. [04:53:55] Katniss Everet > Just to play devils advocate on the Dessi BC SP. why give the "old players" all 4 for free.. they trained BC to 5 one time.. they should chose 1 type and have to train the others like the rest of us
  67. [04:53:57] Sugar Kyle > skill points are only one aspect of play this game
  68. [04:54:01] Sugar Kyle > dont fucking play devils advocate with me
  69. [04:54:07] Sugar Kyle > if you want to argue aruge a valid point that you have
  70. [04:54:15] Sugar Kyle > but if you want to sit here and attmept to poke holes in an argument for the sake of it
  71. [04:54:16] Sugar Kyle > I'm done
  72. [04:54:18] Sugar Kyle > and have a nice evening
  73. [04:54:24] Adenosine > wow
  74. [04:55:05] Katniss Everet > how is that not a valid point... BC and Dessie was only trained to 5 1 time. how is getting 4 ships to 5 from that not free SP?
  75. [04:55:47] Sugar Kyle > I jhust explained it
  76. [04:55:49] Sugar Kyle > but let me try this again
  77. [04:55:54] Althalu Jaynar > x amount of time it takes to train the racial will be lower then bc is now
  78. [04:55:55] Sugar Kyle > because you are not understanding some basics
  79. [04:56:05] Sugar Kyle > right now a player does not have to have racial dessies or BC
  80. [04:56:09] Sugar Kyle > they do NOT EXIST are skills
  81. [04:56:12] Sugar Kyle > CCP is adding them in
  82. [04:56:21] Sugar Kyle > Instead of FUCKING their players who have played and flown these ships for years and years and years
  83. [04:56:24] Sugar Kyle > as CCP has allowed them
  84. [04:56:28] Sugar Kyle > CCP is allowing them to continue to fly their skills
  85. [04:56:38] Sugar Kyle > what they get is 'free' skill points that they already technically have
  86. [04:56:44] Sugar Kyle > they are not getting a pool of skill points to use wherever they want to
  87. [04:56:55] Sugar Kyle > they cna fly a ship exactly as they have flown it and will continue to fly it
  88. [04:57:00] Sugar Kyle > if they only have BC 4 they will only get BC 4
  89. [04:57:04] Sugar Kyle > that would be fucking your players
  90. [04:57:13] Sugar Kyle > giving new players a pool of unallocated skill points because they have not played for nine years
  91. [04:57:26] Sugar Kyle > is something that I listed half a dozen ways to abuse without blinking my eyes and I'm not creative about this
  92. [04:57:44] Sugar Kyle > that is why people are gettig their racial battlecruiser and destroyers
  93. [04:58:01] Sugar Kyle > people are training to V because they are smart enough to use the situation to their advantage
  94. [04:58:03] Sugar Kyle > thats what people do
  95. [04:58:09] Sugar Kyle > CCP could have walked in and just changed it
  96. [04:58:13] Sugar Kyle > that would be a stupid business decision
  97. [04:58:25] Sugar Kyle > but in no way are the two situations the same
  98. [04:58:25] Lain Hiden > /emote munches popcorn
  99. [04:58:45] Althalu Jaynar > /emote eats breakfast
  100. [04:59:00] Morphine Dream > goes back to killing rats
  101. [04:59:10] Katniss Everet > but you missed my point.. if it takes lets say 25 days to train BC 5. and they reduce the racials to say 20days to racial 5.. your still getting 45 days of free sp that you didn't take the time to train to.. I am not talking about the SP pool for noob
  102. [04:59:18] Sugar Kyle > no I havent missed your point
  103. [04:59:38] Sugar Kyle > You are attempting to define something you dont even understand
  104. [04:59:43] Sugar Kyle > based off of what you WANT to happen
  105. [04:59:48] Sugar Kyle > and what will make you feel better right now
  106. [04:59:56] Katniss Everet > ??
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