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- [04:44:44] Sugar Kyle > people will just abuse it
- [04:44:56] Sugar Kyle > and you can run all the tutorial missions
- [04:45:00] Sugar Kyle > which mneans they could do that x12
- [04:45:08] Sugar Kyle > or they have to take away the other 11 tutorials which sucks for people that fucked up
- [04:45:14] Sugar Kyle > orstarted and went inactive and lost hteirs
- [04:45:46] Althalu Jaynar > We all started at 50k, so shall all the rest, mohaha
- [04:45:47] Katniss Everet > not if it was a limit to once per toon.
- [04:46:06] Morphine Dream > i starte with none
- [04:46:12] Sugar Kyle > no
- [04:46:13] Morphine Dream > so did deno
- [04:46:17] Sugar Kyle > becuase that never happens anywhere else in the game
- [04:46:17] Althalu Jaynar > What if you pick the wrong career path?
- [04:46:19] Katniss Everet > you started with some
- [04:46:30] Sugar Kyle > never again will you randomly get rewarded skillpoint pools
- [04:46:35] Morphine Dream > maybe like 12k at the most
- [04:46:37] Sugar Kyle > nor would I wish for there to be any precident to such a thing
- [04:46:40] Katniss Everet > that is why you do all the tutorial missions then chose,
- [04:46:56] Sugar Kyle > and its forcing everyone to do them
- [04:47:03] Sugar Kyle > people just want to make alt accoutns and get busy doing shit
- [04:47:03] Althalu Jaynar > What of those people that are making alts?
- [04:47:06] Sugar Kyle > which is one of eves dreams
- [04:47:10] Sugar Kyle > that you dont HAVE to do any of that shit
- [04:47:12] Althalu Jaynar > Do they need to run the tutorials?
- [04:47:31] Althalu Jaynar > I will just be quiet, sugar got this
- [04:47:49] Sugar Kyle > you would then be assigning a prereq to every new charater started that they would have to do this skill pool
- [04:47:54] Sugar Kyle > also what about alts that are not training
- [04:48:01] Sugar Kyle > they'd be able to access a skill point pool to use
- [04:48:05] Sugar Kyle > without a main having to stop training
- [04:49:29] Lain Hiden > Shit's fine as it is, if you ask me :P
- [04:50:16] Sugar Kyle > you are just suffering from iwantmoreitiscuzI'mnew Kat
- [04:50:17] Sugar Kyle > that's all
- [04:50:30] Katniss Everet > So what your saying is instead of eve raising the minimum sp you start with, since new players are now 9 years behind in training.. because no one should get free sp.. yet you are ok with getting free sp for BC and Destroyer...
- [04:50:42] Sugar Kyle > they are not nine years behind in training
- [04:50:47] Sugar Kyle > they are *not* nine years behind in training
- [04:50:50] Sugar Kyle > that is bullshit
- [04:50:55] Katniss Everet > th game started in 2003
- [04:50:56] Sugar Kyle > otherwise no one would ever be able to enter this game
- [04:50:57] Sugar Kyle > first of all
- [04:50:59] Sugar Kyle > that doesnt mean SHIT
- [04:51:06] Sugar Kyle > it means that they have more access to more things on one account then you do
- [04:51:06] Sugar Kyle > thats all
- [04:51:12] Sugar Kyle > they cant do it any better then someone else that trains into it
- [04:51:15] Sugar Kyle > they just can do more things with one account
- [04:51:23] Sugar Kyle > handing out gobs of skill points ius not the answer tot hat situation
- [04:51:26] Sugar Kyle > it only devlaues everything else
- [04:51:37] Sugar Kyle > people are getting 'free' skill ppoints for dessie and BS because they can fly it NOW
- [04:51:40] Sugar Kyle > and ccp sis taking ti AWAY from them
- [04:51:47] Sugar Kyle > nothing is being taken away from new players
- [04:52:06] Sugar Kyle > ccp is not invalidating entire chunks of some players fleets that htey have played and flown for years becuase they are restructing skills
- [04:52:14] Sugar Kyle > that in no way at all aligns with giving new players more skill points
- [04:52:19] Sugar Kyle > nor does it have anything to do with time
- [04:52:30] Sugar Kyle > an old player that starts a new path will be in the exact same spot as a new player in that new path
- [04:52:40] Sugar Kyle > thats what makes eve so damn charming and allows people to compete
- [04:52:45] Adenosine > o.O
- [04:52:47] Sugar Kyle > and its what gives people something to strive for in the future
- [04:53:00] Sugar Kyle > but in no way does handing out gobs of skill points which will only be abused by the expierenced players
- [04:53:01] Althalu Jaynar > "oh snap!"
- [04:53:02] Sugar Kyle > compensate or help
- [04:53:06] Sugar Kyle > anyone that has started to play this game
- [04:53:15] Sugar Kyle > because the amount of skill points you'd need to 'reach' them is enormious
- [04:53:21] Sugar Kyle > and on top of that
- [04:53:32] Sugar Kyle > what you would miss along the path is learning how to play the game
- [04:53:39] Sugar Kyle > and no amount of skill points will help you learn to play eve
- [04:53:48] Sugar Kyle > and you will still burn in a terrible fire while fit perfectly because you ddint learn
- [04:53:52] Sugar Kyle > and learning is what you do across that path
- [04:53:55] Katniss Everet > Just to play devils advocate on the Dessi BC SP. why give the "old players" all 4 for free.. they trained BC to 5 one time.. they should chose 1 type and have to train the others like the rest of us
- [04:53:57] Sugar Kyle > skill points are only one aspect of play this game
- [04:54:01] Sugar Kyle > dont fucking play devils advocate with me
- [04:54:07] Sugar Kyle > if you want to argue aruge a valid point that you have
- [04:54:15] Sugar Kyle > but if you want to sit here and attmept to poke holes in an argument for the sake of it
- [04:54:16] Sugar Kyle > I'm done
- [04:54:18] Sugar Kyle > and have a nice evening
- [04:54:24] Adenosine > wow
- [04:55:05] Katniss Everet > how is that not a valid point... BC and Dessie was only trained to 5 1 time. how is getting 4 ships to 5 from that not free SP?
- [04:55:47] Sugar Kyle > I jhust explained it
- [04:55:49] Sugar Kyle > but let me try this again
- [04:55:54] Althalu Jaynar > x amount of time it takes to train the racial will be lower then bc is now
- [04:55:55] Sugar Kyle > because you are not understanding some basics
- [04:56:05] Sugar Kyle > right now a player does not have to have racial dessies or BC
- [04:56:09] Sugar Kyle > they do NOT EXIST are skills
- [04:56:12] Sugar Kyle > CCP is adding them in
- [04:56:21] Sugar Kyle > Instead of FUCKING their players who have played and flown these ships for years and years and years
- [04:56:24] Sugar Kyle > as CCP has allowed them
- [04:56:28] Sugar Kyle > CCP is allowing them to continue to fly their skills
- [04:56:38] Sugar Kyle > what they get is 'free' skill points that they already technically have
- [04:56:44] Sugar Kyle > they are not getting a pool of skill points to use wherever they want to
- [04:56:55] Sugar Kyle > they cna fly a ship exactly as they have flown it and will continue to fly it
- [04:57:00] Sugar Kyle > if they only have BC 4 they will only get BC 4
- [04:57:04] Sugar Kyle > that would be fucking your players
- [04:57:13] Sugar Kyle > giving new players a pool of unallocated skill points because they have not played for nine years
- [04:57:26] Sugar Kyle > is something that I listed half a dozen ways to abuse without blinking my eyes and I'm not creative about this
- [04:57:44] Sugar Kyle > that is why people are gettig their racial battlecruiser and destroyers
- [04:58:01] Sugar Kyle > people are training to V because they are smart enough to use the situation to their advantage
- [04:58:03] Sugar Kyle > thats what people do
- [04:58:09] Sugar Kyle > CCP could have walked in and just changed it
- [04:58:13] Sugar Kyle > that would be a stupid business decision
- [04:58:25] Sugar Kyle > but in no way are the two situations the same
- [04:58:25] Lain Hiden > /emote munches popcorn
- [04:58:45] Althalu Jaynar > /emote eats breakfast
- [04:59:00] Morphine Dream > goes back to killing rats
- [04:59:10] Katniss Everet > but you missed my point.. if it takes lets say 25 days to train BC 5. and they reduce the racials to say 20days to racial 5.. your still getting 45 days of free sp that you didn't take the time to train to.. I am not talking about the SP pool for noob
- [04:59:18] Sugar Kyle > no I havent missed your point
- [04:59:38] Sugar Kyle > You are attempting to define something you dont even understand
- [04:59:43] Sugar Kyle > based off of what you WANT to happen
- [04:59:48] Sugar Kyle > and what will make you feel better right now
- [04:59:56] Katniss Everet > ??
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