Refa: Refa - Today at 4:29 PM
hey cam
Camdar - Today at 4:30 PM
Hey roofs
How do I oc
Refa - Today at 4:30 PM
okay well on d1
i legitimately don't know
but on future days you try to catch people on inconsistencies
Camdar - Today at 4:31 PM
Thanks roofs!
Refa - Today at 4:31 PM
now that we're officially friends
[4:33 PM] Camdar: Uh
[4:33 PM] Refa: this is just so the mods can see
[4:33 PM] Camdar: Oh ok
[4:34 PM] Refa: in case i bully you and need to be modkilled
Refa changed the channel name: SFMM5- Refadar07/16/2018
[4:37 PM] Camdar: Roofdar
[4:37 PM] Refa: oh
[4:38 PM] Refa: that's better
Refa changed the channel name: SFMM5- Roofdar07/16/2018
[9:17 PM] Camdar: HI ROOF
[9:17 PM] Refa: HI CAM
[9:17 PM] Refa: I DONT KNOW WHATS HAPPENING
[9:17 PM] Refa: okay
[9:19 PM] Camdar: hey hey refa do you have any reads
[9:19 PM] Refa: yeah i have townreads
[9:19 PM] Refa: but no real reads that like
[9:19 PM] Refa: matter
[9:19 PM] Camdar: what do you think of the like
[9:19 PM] Refa: i wanna talk to brooklyn
[9:19 PM] Camdar: snike claiming to shinori
[9:19 PM] Camdar: thing
[9:19 PM] Refa: snike claimed to shinori?
[9:19 PM] Camdar: lmao
[9:20 PM] Camdar: sb voted for snike
[9:20 PM] Camdar: saying "snike claimed to a nullread"
[9:20 PM] Camdar: then in the chat
[9:20 PM] Camdar: someone (i think it was snike?)
[9:20 PM] Camdar: mentioned that it was shinori
[9:20 PM] Camdar: and shinori seems to have confirmed
[9:20 PM] Refa: wait, i thought he meant that snike claimed to uh
[9:20 PM] Refa: ampharos
[9:20 PM] Camdar: oh?
[9:20 PM] Camdar: has snike said he claimed to ampharos?
[9:20 PM] Refa: lemme check
[9:21 PM] Camdar: or did someone tell you that snike claimed to ampharos?
[9:21 PM] Refa: no one talked to me about snike
[9:21 PM] Refa: oh
[9:22 PM] Refa: sb's thing didnt say ampharos in it
[9:22 PM] Refa: nvm im dumb
[9:22 PM] Camdar: mmk
[9:22 PM] Refa: i think it's kinda sketchy
[9:22 PM] Refa: depends on my
[9:22 PM] Refa: read on brooklyn
[9:22 PM] Refa: well not really but kinda
[9:22 PM] Camdar: oh?
[9:22 PM] Refa: because if
[9:22 PM] Refa: brooklyn is town
[9:23 PM] Refa: then it makes more sense why scum!snike would be hesitant to claim to him
[9:23 PM] Refa: and it'd incriminate shinori as well
[9:23 PM] Camdar: I see
[9:23 PM] Camdar: interesting
[9:23 PM] Camdar: so snike told me privately
[9:23 PM] Camdar: that he would be willing to claim to both LG and amp
[9:23 PM] Camdar: but on like d2
[9:24 PM] Refa: idt that's scummy
[9:24 PM] Camdar: yeah nah
[9:24 PM] Camdar: my read on snike is like
[9:24 PM] Camdar: "if you were new"
[9:24 PM] Camdar: "i'd think you're overly trusting town"
[9:24 PM] Camdar: "but you're not"
[9:24 PM] Camdar: ":thinking:"
[9:24 PM] Refa: it's more the claiming to shinori part that bothers me
[9:24 PM] Refa: but
[9:24 PM] Camdar: yeah idk either
[9:24 PM] Refa: did shinori conf it to you in dm's
[9:25 PM] Camdar: i haven't DM'd shinori
[9:25 PM] Refa: oh
[9:25 PM] Camdar: but snike confirmed to me that he did claim to shinori
[9:25 PM] Refa: u said hmu like 5 hours ago
[9:25 PM] Camdar: nah i ATTACKED HIM IN THREAD
[9:25 PM] Camdar: like the
[9:25 PM] Camdar: TRUE NOC CHAMPION i am
[9:25 PM] Refa: im just gonna vote snike and see how he reacts
[9:25 PM] Refa: since i haven't talked to him yet
[9:25 PM] Camdar: mmk
[9:25 PM] Camdar: i like
[9:25 PM] Camdar: haven't talked to a lot of people
[9:25 PM] Camdar: tbh
[9:25 PM] Camdar: amp asked me for a claim
[9:25 PM] Refa: same
[9:25 PM] Camdar: i talked a bit with iris and a lot with sb
[9:25 PM] Refa: told them there was no point in me claiming
[9:25 PM] Refa: i talked a lot w/sb
[9:26 PM] Camdar: will you claim to either brook or amp
[9:26 PM] Refa: not w/iris
[9:26 PM] Camdar: if they prove their roles?
[9:26 PM] Refa: i haven't even talked to brook, what role is she
[9:26 PM] Camdar: town OMGUS mayor
[9:26 PM] Camdar: or something
[9:26 PM] Refa: amp didn't claim their role to me either
[9:26 PM] Refa: wait
[9:26 PM] Camdar: amp didn't claim to me
[9:26 PM] Camdar: just claimed
[9:26 PM] Camdar: "i can prove my role N1"
[9:26 PM] Refa: that's such a bad role
[9:27 PM] Refa: also snike has 1 vote
[9:27 PM] Refa: when they voted each other
[9:27 PM] Refa: if people can prove their role n1 then i'll claim n1 lol
[9:27 PM] Camdar: wait is there a rule about screenshots
[9:27 PM] Refa: uh
[9:27 PM] Refa: delete it
[9:27 PM] Refa: i havent seen it
[9:27 PM] Refa: lemme check the
[9:27 PM] Camdar: OOPS
[9:28 PM] Camdar: yeah i fucked
[9:28 PM] Camdar: it was from the public chat anyway? but OOPS
[9:28 PM] Refa: oh was it
[9:28 PM] Camdar: Brooklyn - Today at 5:25 PM
I am shinori the town Omgus mayor
reborn's most trusted citizen - Today at 5:26 PM
well yeah that was blatantly obvious
Brooklyn - Today at 5:26 PM
anyone who votes me if I vote them back
Snike - Today at 5:26 PM
that's what I was thinking
lol
Brooklyn - Today at 5:26 PM
My vote counts for not one
But
Snike - Today at 5:26 PM
we're just waiting on votals
Brooklyn - Today at 5:26 PM
ONE POINT ONE
this means I fuck over ties
Snike - Today at 5:26 PM
hmm
Brooklyn - Today at 5:26 PM
And my role would be majorly dumb
For scum to have
imo
Snike - Today at 5:26 PM
if it shows in votals to an extent yeah
[9:28 PM] Refa: but nothing showed in votals
[9:28 PM] Refa: da fuck
[9:28 PM] Camdar: yeah so
[9:29 PM] Camdar: brook later claimed that they received a mod clarification that it doesn't show in votals
[9:29 PM] Refa: hmmmm
[9:29 PM] Refa: tbh idt that part is faked cause
[9:29 PM] Camdar: Brooklyn - Today at 5:26 PM
Doesn't deactivate ever so even in lylo
It's also not super useful for an org village making me an ideal candidate
AHEM
Camdar | how to oc - Today at 5:28 PM
Oh shit lg can I claim2u
:open_mouth: :open_mouth: :o
Brooklyn - Today at 5:29 PM
It has been made known to me that my vote does not show up on votals thank you MODS
reborn's most trusted citizen - Today at 5:29 PM
you know what
Brooklyn - Today at 5:29 PM
I am not rescinding my TL bid
reborn's most trusted citizen - Today at 5:29 PM
brooke's fuckin town
claim to her not me
idgaf
i'll sleep
Snike - Today at 5:29 PM
;/
Brooklyn - Today at 5:30 PM
We can prove this on a Lynch once one is a decided
If u don't want to claim D1
That is ok
[9:29 PM] Refa: the confidence implies that she thinks it would show up
[9:29 PM] Refa: imo
[9:29 PM] Camdar: mmk
[9:29 PM] Camdar: i think it is super provable
[9:29 PM] Refa: ya
[9:30 PM] Camdar: just on rolespec
[9:30 PM] Camdar: if they're telling the truth
[9:30 PM] Camdar: i'm INCLINED
[9:30 PM] Camdar: to believe that it's a town role
[9:30 PM] Camdar: altho
[9:30 PM] Refa: do u think the claim is more likely to come from town?
[9:30 PM] Refa: aha
[9:30 PM] Camdar: well
[9:30 PM] Camdar: i wouldn't put it past reinperblade
[9:30 PM] Camdar: if Events Happen
[9:30 PM] Refa: paperblade fucks w/my rolespec
[9:30 PM] Refa: every game i play
[9:30 PM] Refa: that he makes
[9:30 PM] Camdar: i'm not going to commit hard to IT'S DEFINITELY A TOWN ROLE(edited)
[9:31 PM] Refa: well im less worried about committing hard and more like "should i claim to this person"
[9:31 PM] Camdar: i'm inclined to believe that it's either a town play
[9:31 PM] Camdar: or an incredibly ballsy scum play
[9:31 PM] Refa: yeah
[9:31 PM] Refa: altho
[9:31 PM] Refa: being town leader pays off a lot for scum
[9:31 PM] Camdar: oh yeah
[9:31 PM] Refa: me/sb were talking about it with ampharos' thing
[9:31 PM] Camdar: i don't intend to claim to a TL
[9:31 PM] Refa: but i dont see why scum ampharos would be like
[9:32 PM] Refa: "nah claim to this guy instead" unless they're both scum
[9:32 PM] Camdar: mm
[9:32 PM] Camdar: snike thinks amp is town
[9:32 PM] Camdar: based on play and meta
[9:32 PM] Refa: i've legitimately only played w/scum!amp
[9:32 PM] Refa: in oc
[9:32 PM] Refa: lmao
[9:32 PM] Camdar: i'm not claiming to a TL unless there's a really good reason to
[9:32 PM] Refa: same
[9:32 PM] Refa: omg brooklyn is dming me brb
[9:32 PM] Camdar: (and by "reallyl good reason to" i mean "this person has proven that they are town and nnot just their role")
[9:32 PM] Camdar: :open_mouth:
[9:40 PM] Refa: brook is either busy or giving me the cold shoulder
[9:40 PM] Refa: anyways what do u mean by proven that they are town?
[9:44 PM] Camdar: like
[9:44 PM] Camdar: if they give me sufficient reason that
[9:44 PM] Camdar: a) they are town
[9:44 PM] Camdar: b) they are trustworthy
[9:45 PM] Camdar: *reason to believe that
[9:45 PM] Camdar: then i'm fine with claiming to them
[9:45 PM] Camdar: by trustworthy i really mean "competent"
[9:45 PM] Camdar: i obv don't want some rando accidentally leaking my role to the scumteam
[9:47 PM] Refa: yeah that's fine
[9:47 PM] Refa: lmao
[9:47 PM] Camdar: i'm gonna
[9:47 PM] Camdar: keep poking at shinori
[9:47 PM] Camdar: i want to see what people say
[9:48 PM] Refa: fwiw cam im talking to shinori and i think he has something w/sb so def talk to him in dm's
[9:48 PM] Camdar: and what shinori says
[9:48 PM] Refa: or
[9:48 PM] Camdar: spoilers i actually know what sb said
[9:48 PM] Refa: wait and see if he initiates
[9:48 PM] Refa: lmao
[9:48 PM] Camdar: i want to hear what shinori says
[9:48 PM] Camdar: (please keep that fact a secret)
[9:51 PM] Refa: okay
[9:51 PM] Refa: good thing i read this sooner rather than later lmao
[9:51 PM] Camdar: LOL
[9:51 PM] Camdar: are you and scumnori SCUMBUDDIES
[9:51 PM] Refa: nope
[9:51 PM] Camdar: so you can ADVISE HIM now
[9:51 PM] Camdar: :thinking:
[9:51 PM] Camdar: :camthunk:
[9:51 PM] Refa: i think shinori was mor scum experience than me
[9:52 PM] Refa: in oc
[9:52 PM] Camdar: :dootthunk:
[9:52 PM] Refa: so it'd be the other way around
[9:52 PM] Refa: :GWnanamiChiakiSmug:
[9:52 PM] Camdar: i don't actually know how to play OC
[9:52 PM] Camdar: i'm just
[9:52 PM] Camdar: going to treat this as a NOC game
[9:52 PM] Refa: cam legit my oc playstyle as town has been
[9:52 PM] Camdar: with
[9:52 PM] Camdar: oc
[9:52 PM] Refa: "become town leader, hopefully not throw"
[9:52 PM] Camdar: lmao
[9:52 PM] Refa: im kinda like
[9:52 PM] Refa: happy to not be tl because thats
[9:52 PM] Refa: a load of stress off my back
[9:52 PM] Camdar: o
[9:52 PM] Camdar: ,i
[9:52 PM] Camdar: thanks keyboard
[9:53 PM] Camdar: i'm too paranoid to just trust a TL
[9:53 PM] Refa: hahaha
[9:53 PM] Camdar: i was WEANED
[9:53 PM] Refa: all of my other roles were super obvious town shit
[9:53 PM] Camdar: on stories of STRAWMAN
[9:53 PM] Refa: like a delayed vig
[9:53 PM] Camdar: the SHAMAN SERIAL KILLER
[9:53 PM] Refa: hey man who doesnt want to give sk the sheet
[9:53 PM] Refa: n1
[9:53 PM] Refa: that gives them a fighting chance right :smirk_cat:
[9:53 PM] Camdar: :thinking:
[9:58 PM] Camdar: god
[9:58 PM] Camdar: has the infusion of smogon players
[9:58 PM] Camdar: changed the vocabulary
[9:58 PM] Camdar: every time i hear "wolf"
[9:58 PM] Camdar: i think
[9:58 PM] Camdar: "SK"
[9:58 PM] Camdar: but they really mean
[9:58 PM] Camdar: "scum"
[9:58 PM] Refa: that's more of an mu thing i think
[9:58 PM] Camdar: oh maybe
[9:39 PM] Refa: BTW, what did Kill do that was bad
[9:40 PM] Refa: I legit haven't paid attention to him at all besides a brief convo
[9:40 PM] Refa: Also if you know Elie scumreads more, LMK on that front too
[9:40 PM] Refa: I asked Snike but it felt like he didn't really explain them at all
[9:53 PM] Camdar: kts like
[9:53 PM] Camdar: made private convo groups with a bunch of people
[9:53 PM] Camdar: asked them to "solve" each other
[9:54 PM] Camdar: and is basically refusing to do their own scumhunting
[9:54 PM] Refa: aha
[9:54 PM] Refa: yeah lemme quote our convoes
[9:55 PM] Refa: Refa
#6654

[9:10 AM] elijah: .
[9:13 AM] Refa: sup
[9:14 AM] elijah: where are you sitting as far as gamestate goes
[9:14 AM] Refa: snike/sb bother me
[9:14 AM] Refa: you know evan right
[9:15 AM] elijah: i do
[9:15 AM] Refa: did you talk to him?
[9:15 AM] Refa: what's your read there
[9:15 AM] Refa: something about his on thread comments pinged me on gut but
[9:15 AM] Refa: i didnt talk to him at all
[9:15 AM] elijah: his thought process looks pretty transparent
[9:15 AM] elijah: his actual articulation of it not so much
[9:15 AM] Refa: ? can u elaborate
[9:16 AM] elijah: i think he's a -ev push
[9:16 AM] elijah: you should definitely push snike and sb here though
[9:16 AM] Refa: idk what that means
[9:17 AM] Refa: ya, that's what i'm doing
[9:17 AM] elijah: ev means gain or loss
[9:17 AM] elijah: depending on the sign next to it
[9:17 AM] Refa: aha
[9:55 PM] Refa: [9:17 AM] Refa: i want snike to confront me about my vote on him tbh, cause my read is based on my discussion from other people
[9:18 AM] Refa: and i haven't talked to him
[9:18 AM] elijah: i see
[9:18 AM] Refa: i don't think he's been on tho in a while, or at least hasn't been talking to anyone
[9:20 AM] elijah: we want all the lurkers to be revealed and solved early
[9:20 AM] elijah: him not being here and communicating only helps wolves
[9:21 AM] Refa: d1 is the best time to do that, the only time to do that if we get a tl
[9:21 AM] Refa: cause generally both town/scum lurk hard when they're just sheeping
[9:22 AM] elijah: yes
[9:25 AM] Refa: btw, do you have any scumreads outside of sb/snike
[9:34 AM] elijah: i do
[10:25 AM] Refa: Who?
[10:26 AM] elijah: it's likely not wise for me to say
[10:26 AM] Refa: okay
[10:26 AM] Refa: do you not want to lynch them d1?  trying to get what your thought process is here
[10:26 AM] elijah: i want as much info as possible
[10:27 AM] elijah: if that means letting people talk unpressured and remain natural then that's okay with me
[10:27 AM] Refa: that's fine
[2:08 PM] elijah: any new updates on what youre thinking about?
[9:56 PM] Refa: switching to compact such a pain
[9:56 PM] Refa: i think his behavior is odd but i want to see if he's contradicting himself moreso
[9:56 PM] Refa: cause that would bother me a lot more
[10:00 PM] Camdar: so i'm like
[10:00 PM] Camdar: not as hard scumreading them
[10:00 PM] Camdar: as it sounds like
[10:00 PM] Camdar: i'm
[10:00 PM] Camdar: kind of disappointed
[10:00 PM] Camdar: that nobody else reacted to that
[10:00 PM] Camdar: i wanted to stir up a fuss
[10:01 PM] Refa: well here i am
[10:01 PM] Refa: fuss at me baby