Kingdom Hearts Wiki Roundtable - November 7, 2014

[14:53] <FifteenthMember> Bonjour tous les monde
[14:53] <FifteenthMember> The objective today is to go through the roundtable agenda.
[14:53] <FifteenthMember> And discuss them.
[14:53] <FifteenthMember> All ready?
[14:54] * Chainoffire (4b8175b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.129.117.180) has joined #KHWiki-noticeboard
[14:56] <RikutheBloody> Yes.
[14:56] <FifteenthMember> So
[14:56] <FifteenthMember> All ready?
[14:56] <RikutheBloody> Yes.
[14:56] <FifteenthMember> KSM?
[14:56] <FifteenthMember> CoF?
[14:57] <RikutheBloody> I think they're looking at the agenda,
[14:57] * RikutheBloody is now known as RtB|ToX2
[14:58] <Chainoffire> yup
[14:58] <FifteenthMember> OKAY
[14:58] <FifteenthMember> First of
[14:58] <FifteenthMember> *off
[14:58] <FifteenthMember> The Let's Play
[14:58] <Chainoffire> aye
[14:58] <+Cheisa> interstellar was going real well for me UNTIL IT WENT ALL 2011 on me
[14:59] <+Cheisa> ok, I'm done with my venting
[14:59] <FifteenthMember> http://www.khwiki.com/User_talk:KeybladeSpyMaster#Kingdom_Hearts_Let.27s_Play_Project
[14:59] <RtB|ToX2> I guess we can screw that. That "User" dosen't even show up.
[14:59] <FifteenthMember> I think that a long-time pledged KHWiki member should be the one hosting the actual KHWiki Let's Play
[14:59] <Chainoffire> did they get a remindeR?
[15:00] <FifteenthMember> So someone who's actually been there for a while
[15:00] <FifteenthMember> But I have no problems with sponsering/affiliating with his channel
[15:00] <Chainoffire> because I didn't even remember about the RT in the first place.
[15:00] <FifteenthMember> So we could offer that as an alternative
[15:00] <FifteenthMember> CoF: No, but I guess we're the ones discussing
[15:00] <FifteenthMember> We can relay the information to him after
[15:00] <+Cheisa> https://www.youtube.com/user/GrandMasterArcturus found his channel
[15:00] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Here, sorry
[15:01] <Chainoffire> i see no problems with affiliation with this dude
[15:01] <FifteenthMember> KSM: Thoughts?
[15:02] <RtB|ToX2> He dosen't even edit. I think that's kinda.........
[15:02] <FifteenthMember> He doesn't need to edit to be an affiliate
[15:03] <RtB|ToX2> I guess,
[15:03] <RtB|ToX2> *.
[15:03] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I think it's fine to affiliate. I agree, the wiki's true LP should be by someone who's been here.
[15:03] <KeybladeSpyMaste> But I don't see anyone who's willing to do it, either.
[15:05] <FifteenthMember> Well
[15:05] <KeybladeSpyMaste> That's why I considered letting them do the LP. Because we don't really have anyone doing it from our end.
[15:05] <FifteenthMember> If there is no one from our Wiki able to do the LP, I'd prefer having no LP than having one done by someone who doesn't actually represent us
[15:05] <Chainoffire> could we have him do a trial one for the wiki?
[15:05] <Chainoffire> and see if we like it or not
[15:06] <FifteenthMember> Mhmm, even if he hosts the LP
[15:06] <FifteenthMember> We'll need KHWiki users to commentate too
[15:06] <FifteenthMember> So we still need people from the KHWiki too
[15:06] <Chainoffire> if it works in my schedule, I wouldn't mind doing it
[15:06] <FifteenthMember> Anyone able to do that?
[15:06] <FifteenthMember> Alright
[15:07] <FifteenthMember> We could give it a shot then
[15:08] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok. That's fine.
[15:08] <Chainoffire> (I would like to do a LP myself, but I don't have a fast enough computer)
[15:08] <KeybladeSpyMaste> If not, affiliation wouldn't necessarily hurt.
[15:08] <KeybladeSpyMaste> If we don't do it, though, we should remove the LP ad from the Main Page.
[15:09] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Because that's why he came, because he saw the "Coming Soon" thing.
[15:09] <Chainoffire> aye
[15:09] <+Cheisa> you need a good computer and a capture card to record for LP
[15:09] <Chainoffire> two of which i don't have
[15:09] <Chainoffire> i'll get faster speed after xmas though
[15:09] <Chainoffire> ANYWAYS
[15:10] <FifteenthMember> So
[15:10] <FifteenthMember> We'll give it a sho
[15:10] <FifteenthMember> *shot
[15:10] <FifteenthMember> Maybe create a forum signing up possible commentators
[15:10] <FifteenthMember> And then taking things from there
[15:10] <FifteenthMember> Who wants to be in charge of managing that? :P
[15:12] <+Cheisa> I might as well, seeing as I do all the video stuff
[15:12] <FifteenthMember> Alright, that's great
[15:13] <FifteenthMember> So all agreed?
[15:13] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah
[15:14] <FifteenthMember> Okay
[15:14] <FifteenthMember> Moving on then:
[15:14] <FifteenthMember> (Is someone logging/writing the summary as we're going?)
[15:14] <RtB|ToX2> Electing KSM.
[15:14] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I've got a log.
[15:14] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Somewhere....
[15:15] <FifteenthMember> Alright
[15:15] <Chainoffire> who wants to give the speech?
[15:15] <FifteenthMember> So. I propose that we elect KSM to admin position
[15:15] <FifteenthMember> This is for totally obvious reasons
[15:15] <FifteenthMember> He's unmistakably one of the most active editors at the moment
[15:16] <FifteenthMember> He resolves issues extremely quickly
[15:16] <FifteenthMember> And most importantly, he'll actually make use of his powers quite frequently
[15:16] <FifteenthMember> For vandalism, sitenotices, mediawiki etc.
[15:16] <RtB|ToX2> Especially since he's creating new themes for the wiki.
[15:16] <FifteenthMember> So
[15:16] <Chainoffire> plus this'll take a lot of weight off of the other staffies shoulders
[15:17] <FifteenthMember> I don't think there's anyone who ISN'T in agreement
[15:17] <FifteenthMember> NZ agreed last week too
[15:17] <FifteenthMember> KSM: Any words? :P
[15:18] <FifteenthMember> Do you accept adminship in the first place?
[15:18] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Sure, if you guys want. I'm not here trying to get that position, I'm just trying to help while I can, where I can.
[15:19] <FifteenthMember> So. It's all agreed then?
[15:19] <FifteenthMember> ALL HAIL THE NEW ADMIN
[15:19] * FifteenthMember is shot
[15:20] * Chainoffire HAIL
[15:20] <FifteenthMember> Okay, so we can ask Neumannz to change the user rights since he's a bcrat
[15:21] <FifteenthMember> Is that all sorted then?
[15:21] <FifteenthMember> Do we continue?
[15:22] <Chainoffire> indeed
[15:23] <RtB|ToX2> I just wanted to see that through.
[15:23] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Thanks, guys. You guys are unbelievable.
[15:23] * Chainoffire glomps KSM
[15:23] <Chainoffire> You've earned it bro!
[15:23] <FifteenthMember> Congrats!
[15:25] <KeybladeSpyMaste> So next is the Project:Music thing
[15:26] <KeybladeSpyMaste> "Creating individual music pages for every song. The main list page would contain the song names and links to their individual pages, along with the games they appear in and sound files, but the individual pages would be a lot more technical and detailed."
[15:27] <Chainoffire> i think there was an example page that CAF made
[15:27] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah, it was Enter the Void, I think
[15:27] <KeybladeSpyMaste> http://www.khwiki.com/Enter_the_Void
[15:28] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I also made a model/example
[15:28] <KeybladeSpyMaste> http://www.khwiki.com/User:KeybladeSpyMaster/Gadget_Lab/Project_Page_5
[15:30] <Coldasfire> Sorry, I'm back
[15:30] * Coldasfire serves cake to KSM
[15:30] <Coldasfire> Anyways, once a final article format is established, I can start mass producing these articles
[15:31] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I think if we do the individual articles (and I think we should), we should delete the "List of Kingdom Hearts series tracks" article. It's somewhat redundant to the separate articles.
[15:31] <FifteenthMember> Cool
[15:31] <Coldasfire> If anything, move everything into a nice category, "Soudntrack" or something ilke that
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[15:33] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I really like the Composition section. That should definitely stay.
[15:33] <Chainoffire> the "List" page could be moved to the keyhole
[15:34] <KeybladeSpyMaste> ^I like that
[15:35] <Chainoffire> although is it complete?
[15:35] <KeybladeSpyMaste> No, but it kinda stopped when we decided to discuss it here at the RT.
[15:37] <Chainoffire> okay. Well there's another project that needs to be done then. ^.^ But for now I must leave. toodaloo!
[15:37] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok.
[15:37] <Coldasfire> The list is nowhere near complete
[15:37] <Coldasfire> Bye Chain
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[15:38] <Coldasfire> The main thing about the music articles is how much detail do you want me to go into
[15:38] <Coldasfire> Cause I can go full on AP music theory nerd
[15:38] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I stopped because I wasn't sure if the list would stay or not. I thought, it makes no sense to finish it if we decide at the RT to kill it.
[15:38] <Coldasfire> Yeah, the list is ugly anyways
[15:38] <Coldasfire> I tried making it pretty before I went on hiatus, but that was a one girl job and then I had to leave so it didn't go anywhere
[15:39] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Let's start at the individual articles. I think the level of detail you showed with the "Enter the Void" article is fine.
[15:39] <KeybladeSpyMaste> 'Cuz I'd like detail, but if it's too detailed, readers won't understand it.
[15:41] <Coldasfire> Eggs-actly
[15:41] <Coldasfire> And then article structure?
[15:42] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Obviously the "Appearances" section. I don't know if we want that first or last.
[15:43] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I don't know. What do you guys think of the sections I used? It was "Intro", "Appearances", "Composition", and "Albums"
[15:43] <+Cheisa> k, I'm back from my venting
[15:43] * Coldasfire serves Cheisa consolation cake
[15:43] <+Cheisa> what are we talking about now?
[15:43] <Coldasfire> Music nerdy stuff
[15:44] <Coldasfire> KSM: That's a good format, the intro won't need a header though
[15:44] <KeybladeSpyMaste> We're discussing the format/structure of the Music pages.
[15:45] <KeybladeSpyMaste> No, Intro wouldn't be an actual header. Just thought to add it in the list.
[15:45] <Coldasfire> Yea then it's good
[15:45] <Coldasfire> How 'bout images?
[15:45] <Coldasfire> How would we make these pages pretty
[15:45] <Coldasfire> Also the template box you were working on
[15:46] <+Cheisa> "blank" is a song that appears in "blank", "blank", and "blank". It is primarily used as [blank] for "blank"
[15:47] <+Cheisa> follow by when it plays and what albums its been releases on?
[15:47] <KeybladeSpyMaste> If we use the infobox I made, I think we should use the game logo. Unless the song is from one of the albums and not in the game. Like the Piano Collections.
[15:47] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Then we'd use the album cover.
[15:47] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Cuz all the songs are either in a game, or on an album.
[15:47] <Coldasfire> Or both
[15:48] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Well, but the album cover is for the songs that don't appear in-game.
[15:48] <Coldasfire> We can use the game logo for the individual tabs for the different versions it appears in, album cover for those exclusively in an album
[15:48] <Coldasfire> Yeah
[15:48] <Coldasfire> Like Piano Collections :P
[15:48] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Yep
[15:48] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Cheisa, that's about what we've got.
[15:49] <+Cheisa> used tabs and have one tab for worlds and another for album cover if there is one
[15:51] <Coldasfire> tabs for each of the worlds, because frequently they're different versions
[15:51] <Coldasfire> actually every time they're different versions i think
[15:51] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Huh?
[15:51] <Coldasfire> different tab for each appearance
[15:51] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Oh, ok.
[15:52] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I got lost with the worlds thing.
[15:52] <Coldasfire> sorry meant appearance
[15:52] * Coldasfire is now known as error404CAFnotFo
[15:53] * error404CAFnotFo is now known as codeasfiyah
[15:54] <codeasfiyah> So yeah, that's set?
[15:54] <codeasfiyah> Shall I begin spam producing these articles?
[15:54] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I think
[15:54] <KeybladeSpyMaste> For categories, I think we should use the same categories I suggested.
[15:55] <codeasfiyah> Aye
[15:56] <KeybladeSpyMaste> One last thing.
[15:57] <KeybladeSpyMaste> How do we deal with songs in cutscenes? Do we add links? Do we just put the cutscene titles in quotations marks and call it good?
[15:57] <KeybladeSpyMaste> If we add links, we'd need to have somewhere where the links go.
[15:57] <codeasfiyah> Generally songs in cutscenes are the same songs used in other places, they're rarely if ever unique.
[15:57] <codeasfiyah> So in Appearences, we just add the cutscene name, maybe link to hte game/story subsection
[15:58] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok
[15:58] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I was wondering if we'd need to create pages for cutscenes, too.
[15:58] <+Cheisa> someone should make a test page first and we'll see how it goes from there
[15:59] <codeasfiyah> http://khwiki.com/Enter_The_Void
[15:59] <codeasfiyah> I'll fix it with the mentioned changes?
[15:59] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah
[15:59] <FifteenthMember> Back
[16:00] <codeasfiyah> I'll do that tomorrow, busy the rest of today
[16:00] <codeasfiyah> Just recap the changes in the RT summary
[16:01] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah I will
[16:01] <FifteenthMember> Are we still on project: music?
[16:01] <codeasfiyah> Just finishing it up
[16:02] <FifteenthMember> Okay
[16:04] <KeybladeSpyMaste> So we good to move on? I've discussed everything I wanted, I don't know if there's more.
[16:06] <+Cheisa> yes
[16:07] <FifteenthMember> Yeah
[16:07] <KeybladeSpyMaste> So, staff member articles.
[16:07] <KeybladeSpyMaste> "But I'd really like to ask that we discuss the addition of articles for important staff members that work on the Kingdom Hearts games, such as Tetsuya Nomura and Yoko Shimomura. While these were big no-no's in the past, I feel like we need to just loosen up and let these happen; after all, we apparently finally agreed to have individual articles for the soundtrack pieces... We could handle this in a matter similar to the Final Fantasy Wiki. Associated with this, we need to discuss the creation of potential categories, navigation templates, etc. for such pages, as well as the music ones."
[16:08] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Followed by ENX and NinjaSheik's discussion.
[16:09] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Basically, articles for staff members involved with the series. Tetsuya Nomura, Yoko Shimomura, along with articles for major voice actors.
[16:09] <FifteenthMember> My opinion is that we should link to SEW
[16:09] <codeasfiyah> Gotta go, see ya
[16:09] <FifteenthMember> For all real-life, company/staff member stuff
[16:09] <FifteenthMember> Bye CaF
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[16:10] <FifteenthMember> As for VAs, I don't think we need articles on them
[16:10] <FifteenthMember> They're superficial
[16:10] <FifteenthMember> And don't add much meaning to the Wiki's content
[16:10] <KeybladeSpyMaste> That's true. Now that we're organizing the SEW, it is the perfect place to do that.
[16:10] <FifteenthMember> Yeah
[16:10] <FifteenthMember> For now, we should carry on linking to Wikipedia
[16:10] <FifteenthMember> Then, once SEW is up and running, we can switch the links
[16:11] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok, that works for me.
[16:11] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Cheisa, what do you think?
[16:12] <+Cheisa> once/if SEW is up, we can link to SEW
[16:12] <+Cheisa> but still keep the wikipedia link as a second option
[16:13] <FifteenthMember> Alright
[16:13] <FifteenthMember> That can be our fallback plan, per se
[16:13] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Cool
[16:13] * FifteenthMember doesn't actually know how to use the phrase "per se"
[16:14] * FifteenthMember is probably trying to sound cleverer than he actually is xD
[16:14] <FifteenthMember> Anyway
[16:14] <FifteenthMember> Moving on to VAs?
[16:14] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I never attend the Roundtables since it's always inconvenient from me, too, but regarding voice actors, do you think it's possible for us to talk about what are we going to do with the voice actors for the characters in KH3D? Leave it blank forever? No real confirmation was been present, and we are often reverting edits made by other users when they "guessed" who voices who in the game.
[16:14] <FifteenthMember> I think we should stick with the policy
[16:14] <FifteenthMember> Stringent as they are, there is a reason to them
[16:15] <FifteenthMember> Better not to put out no information at all than dubious information that is subject to inaccuracy
[16:15] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I don't really care too much about this one. It's so miniscule. I don't think many people come to the wiki to check out who's the voice actor for any specific character.
[16:16] <FifteenthMember> Yeah
[16:16] <FifteenthMember> So all agreed?
[16:16] <KeybladeSpyMaste> The only unconfirmed ones are Disney characters. Anyone looking for those will probably go elsewhere for that.
[16:18] <FifteenthMember> Yeah
[16:19] <+Cheisa> yes
[16:20] <FifteenthMember> Okay moving on
[16:21] <FifteenthMember> Riku Replica Monstro scene
[16:21] <KeybladeSpyMaste> "Riku Replica Monstro Dream Drop Distance scene. Should that content really be added? It isn't confirmed that it is Riku Replica. "
[16:21] <FifteenthMember> http://www.khwiki.com/Talk:Riku_Replica#Dream_Drop_Distance
[16:21] <FifteenthMember> Theree was a discussion on it here
[16:22] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah. I thought that was it.
[16:22] <FifteenthMember> I have no clue about KH3D's time travel plotlines
[16:22] <FifteenthMember> So I have no idea
[16:22] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I still stand by my claim from a year ago. I still think that that's not the Riku Replica, that's Riku himself in the past
[16:23] <FifteenthMember> I dunno
[16:24] <FifteenthMember> Maybe there should just be a sentence at the end like a disclaimer
[16:24] <KeybladeSpyMaste> The claim for that being the Riku Replica, as I recall, was simply because the memento for Chain of Memories was unlocked during that scene.
[16:24] <FifteenthMember> Oh
[16:24] <FifteenthMember> That's silly
[16:25] <FifteenthMember> I think it should be moved to Riku then
[16:25] <KeybladeSpyMaste> But, Prankster's Paradise is the past of Monstro, not Castle Oblivion. There's no reason, I don't think, for that to be the Riku Replica.
[16:25] <FifteenthMember> And simply mention "a figure resembling Riku"
[16:25] <FifteenthMember> Or something of the like, since we don't know what incarnation of Riku we're dealing with
[16:27] <KeybladeSpyMaste> That's ok
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[16:28] <+Cheisa> did the ultimaina answer the question?
[16:28] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I don't know.
[16:28] <+Cheisa> *ultimania
[16:29] <+Cheisa> if it doesnt, then we should just leave it as it until we get an answer
[16:31] <FifteenthMember> Better to move the info to a more general page
[16:31] <FifteenthMember> Rather than continue with a slightly speculative assumption that happened a year ago, which is possibly incorrect
[16:35] <FifteenthMember> (I'm going to have to leave in two minutes)
[16:35] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I agree with FM.
[16:36] <FifteenthMember> Quickly: I think we should organise both competitions and run them consecutively (I can do that)
[16:36] <FifteenthMember> I agree with the spanish affiliation
[16:36] <FifteenthMember> Project KHX should get rolling
[16:36] <FifteenthMember> We should start creating pages on items, key items, synthesis materials
[16:36] <FifteenthMember> If I manage to speed through it, we should be able to start the competitions in December
[16:37] <FifteenthMember> So I better crunch
[16:37] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I have no objections to anything FM has said.
[16:37] <FifteenthMember> Okay
[16:37] <FifteenthMember> Bye guys
[16:37] <FifteenthMember> Congrats on your adminship KSM!
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[16:38] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Cheisa, any objections?
[16:38] <+Cheisa> no, not really
[16:40] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok, I guess we're done then.....