API tools faq
paste
Guest User

Untitled

a guest
Oct 30th, 2021
148
0
Never
Add comment
Not a member of Pastebin yet? Sign Up, it unlocks many cool features!
text 32.31 KB | None | 0 0
raw download clone embed print report
  1. [15:06:42] %Lasen: enjoy the workshop everyone!
  2. [15:06:47] #Yellow Paint: pm myself or any of the other staff participating in the shop
  3. [15:06:51] #Yellow Paint: for type suggestions to start
  4. [15:06:59] #Yellow Paint: so far we have ghost
  5. [15:08:59] #Yellow Paint: psychic, fairy, water
  6. [15:09:53] #Yellow Paint: I'll start a poll at 0:10 if nothing changes
  7. [15:10:26] A poll was started by Yellow Paint.
  8. [15:12:56] MurderousMantyke was promoted to Room Whitelist by Yellow Paint.
  9. [15:13:12] MurderousMantyke: ghost monos seem rather limited so it would be nice to spice things up
  10. [15:13:24] #Yellow Paint: yeah, looks like ghost wins
  11. [15:14:34] +Splash: well to start w/ ghost
  12. [15:14:49] +Splash: staples would be spectrier aegislash and mimikyu
  13. [15:15:08] SprDragonite was promoted to Room Whitelist by Yellow Paint.
  14. [15:15:35] #Yellow Paint: is that like the main offensive core?
  15. [15:15:40] #Yellow Paint: or just the goodmons
  16. [15:15:46] +Splash: ghost is p tough to work with
  17. [15:15:49] +Splash: almost always going to be
  18. [15:15:51] +Splash: the same 6
  19. [15:15:55] @Katy ♪: ya
  20. [15:15:59] @Katy ♪: ghost has p much the same 6
  21. [15:16:14] MurderousMantyke: there's decisions to be made about which one's scarfed
  22. [15:16:14] #Yellow Paint: cool, so the variet is in sets?
  23. [15:16:20] +Splash: yea
  24. [15:16:21] MurderousMantyke: sub cm spectrier kinda nice
  25. [15:16:30] MurderousMantyke: w/ wisp and hex
  26. [15:16:37] MurderousMantyke: sets up on a lot
  27. [15:16:38] #Yellow Paint: do we wanna start with that?
  28. [15:16:43] MurderousMantyke: im down for that
  29. [15:16:49] SprDragonite: ye same
  30. [15:16:54] @Katy ♪: mhhm
  31. [15:17:17] +Splash: !code
  32. Spectrier @ Leftovers
  33. Ability: Grim Neigh
  34. EVs: 144 HP / 112 Def / 252 Spe
  35. Timid Nature
  36. IVs: 0 Atk
  37. - Substitute
  38. - Will-O-Wisp
  39. - Calm Mind
  40. - Hex
  41. [15:17:29] +Splash: this set allows the burned celesteela heavy slam to not break sub
  42. [15:17:37] MurderousMantyke: the set ik runs like 216
  43. [15:17:38] +Splash: and also flamethrower to not break as well boosted
  44. [15:17:40] MurderousMantyke: for adamant pult
  45. [15:17:40] +Coolcodename: is there any reason for using cm>nasty plot?
  46. [15:17:47] +Splash: i like max speed bro
  47. [15:17:47] MurderousMantyke: your subs get bulkier
  48. [15:17:49] +Splash: cant be riskin
  49. [15:17:59] MurderousMantyke: is the speed for the ties
  50. [15:18:02] +Splash: 216 is ight tho but more pults are jolly now that koko is relevant
  51. [15:19:22] MurderousMantyke: feel like this set does great against bulkier teams like poison
  52. [15:19:31] MurderousMantyke: so we need answers against offense
  53. [15:19:39] MurderousMantyke: scarf blaceph vs gengar?
  54. [15:19:53] MurderousMantyke: one can snowball, other has diff coverage and is more unpredictable
  55. [15:20:29] #Yellow Paint: blace seems a bit more threatening to me with its stabs, but not sure
  56. [15:20:39] SprDragonite: i'd run scarf blace and specs gengar
  57. [15:20:55] +Typhlosion4: Blace seems more threatening over all
  58. [15:21:15] SprDragonite: and its SpA
  59. [15:21:42] #Yellow Paint: yh much higher spa
  60. [15:21:49] +Typhlosion4: And someone mentioned before it can snowball
  61. [15:21:49] #Yellow Paint: scarf feels safer vs offensive squads
  62. [15:22:08] #Yellow Paint: sure, anyone got a scarf blace set?
  63. [15:22:19] SprDragonite: yes
  64. [15:22:46] #Yellow Paint: I think you should be able to !code it?
  65. [15:22:56] MurderousMantyke: we need voice for that i would guess
  66. [15:23:03] @Katy ♪: if not i can code it
  67. [15:23:10] MurderousMantyke: shadow ball, fire blast, trick, knock or psyshock
  68. [15:23:14] MurderousMantyke: fire blast ohkos koko iirc
  69. [15:23:22] MurderousMantyke: the last slot isnt very important
  70. [15:23:25] SprDragonite: ye
  71. [15:23:34] #Yellow Paint: what evs/nature?
  72. [15:23:37] #Yellow Paint: hasty?
  73. [15:23:42] #Yellow Paint: (if knock)
  74. [15:23:47] #Yellow Paint: otherwise 252 252
  75. [15:23:49] SprDragonite: timid
  76. [15:23:55] MurderousMantyke: timid always
  77. [15:23:58] #Yellow Paint: gotcha
  78. [15:24:00] MurderousMantyke: knock isnt for damage after all
  79. [15:24:10] MurderousMantyke: 252 SpA Blacephalon Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Tapu Koko: 255-300 (90.7 - 106.7%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
  80. [15:24:15] MurderousMantyke: it does 88 max with flamet
  81. [15:24:36] @Katy ♪: !code
  82. Blacephalon @ Choice Scarf
  83. Ability: Beast Boost
  84. EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  85. Timid Nature
  86. - Shadow Ball
  87. - Fire Blast
  88. - Trick
  89. - Knock Off
  90. [15:24:40] SprDragonite: maybe it can run blast and ftghrower
  91. [15:24:41] @Katy ♪: so pretty much this i assume
  92. [15:24:44] SprDragonite: fthrower*
  93. [15:24:49] #Yellow Paint: flamethrower over knock?
  94. [15:24:53] MurderousMantyke: its an option
  95. [15:24:54] #Yellow Paint: just for the reliability?
  96. [15:24:56] MurderousMantyke: ye
  97. [15:24:57] +Typhlosion4: Trick seems nice fit fat builds
  98. [15:24:58] SprDragonite: i'd
  99. [15:25:02] +Typhlosion4: for
  100. [15:25:10] MurderousMantyke: the first three moves are p much mandatory
  101. [15:25:19] @Katy ♪: maroon welcome
  102. [15:26:12] @Katy ♪: maroon as a headsup we've decided for sub cm wisp hex spectrier and scarf blace
  103. [15:26:21] @Katy ♪: type is ghost
  104. [15:26:22] #Yellow Paint: !code
  105. Spectrier @ Leftovers
  106. Ability: Grim Neigh
  107. EVs: 144 HP / 112 Def / 252 Spe
  108. Timid Nature
  109. IVs: 0 Atk
  110. - Substitute
  111. - Will-O-Wisp
  112. - Calm Mind
  113. - Hex
  114.  
  115. Blacephalon @ Choice Scarf
  116. Ability: Beast Boost
  117. EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  118. Timid Nature
  119. IVs: 0 Atk
  120. - Shadow Ball
  121. - Fire Blast
  122. - Trick
  123. [15:26:25] #Yellow Paint: this is the current comp
  124. [15:26:57] #Yellow Paint: we were debating knock or flamethrower last
  125. [15:28:41] #Yellow Paint: ok, how about we stay knock for now and then move on to other mons?
  126. [15:28:52] #Yellow Paint: we can come back later
  127. [15:29:05] SprDragonite: yes its taking too long
  128. [15:29:06] MurderousMantyke: ye
  129. [15:29:15] Crystal vince was promoted to Room Whitelist by Yellow Paint.
  130. [15:29:21] #Yellow Paint: ok, who for the other slots?
  131. [15:29:24] MurderousMantyke: mimikyu's pretty mandatory ye?
  132. [15:29:26] #Yellow Paint: sure
  133. [15:29:36] SprDragonite: yes
  134. [15:29:40] #Yellow Paint: yeah mimik too good
  135. [15:29:43] MurderousMantyke: drain punch/sneak/play rough/sd lorb is the standard
  136. [15:29:44] #Yellow Paint: wanna do sd or something?
  137. [15:29:54] MurderousMantyke: i wrote a mimikyu analysis -w-
  138. [15:29:58] SprDragonite: or red card mantyke
  139. [15:30:02] MurderousMantyke: red card is super fun ye
  140. [15:30:08] MurderousMantyke: over lo
  141. [15:30:19] #Yellow Paint: sure, red card could work
  142. [15:30:21] Crystal vince: Yee mimikyu is amazing on ghost
  143. [15:30:38] MurderousMantyke: any preference regarding red card vs lorb on mimikyu?
  144. [15:31:09] @Katy ♪: i mean red card
  145. [15:31:13] @Katy ♪: forces out
  146. [15:31:18] @Katy ♪: opposing setup sweepers
  147. [15:31:30] SprDragonite: ye
  148. [15:31:32] #Yellow Paint: it seems like ghost is pretty bog standard normally, so I'd be down for spicier sets
  149. [15:31:33] Crystal vince: True it does
  150. [15:31:44] @Katy ♪: so amybe red card can be helpful in a pinch situation
  151. [15:32:12] #Yellow Paint: !code
  152. Mimikyu @ Red Card
  153. Ability: Disguise
  154. EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  155. Jolly Nature
  156. - Play Rough
  157. - Drain Punch
  158. - Shadow Sneak
  159. - Swords Dance
  160. [15:32:14] #Yellow Paint: like this?
  161. [15:32:21] @Katy ♪: mhhm
  162. [15:32:41] SprDragonite: yes that's good
  163. [15:32:51] MurderousMantyke: ye i can see it doing work against like sub gmolt mono flying
  164. [15:33:36] #Yellow Paint: sure, any other staples to add?
  165. [15:33:41] #Yellow Paint: I heard aegi was mentioned earlier
  166. [15:33:45] SprDragonite: ye
  167. [15:33:59] Crystal vince: Corsola-g
  168. [15:34:00] #Yellow Paint: splash suggested sd aegi
  169. [15:34:01] SprDragonite: sd or sub toxic?
  170. [15:34:29] mushamu was promoted to Room Whitelist by maroon.
  171. [15:34:32] mushamu: omfl..
  172. [15:34:35] mushamu: aegi isnt a must
  173. [15:34:41] Jolly Togekiss was promoted to Room Whitelist by maroon.
  174. [15:34:51] @maroon: alright
  175. [15:34:53] SprDragonite: i have played sd aegi, not sub toxic
  176. [15:34:55] mushamu: imo if we're fitting blacephalon on the team then we should use the aegi slot for gengar
  177. [15:34:56] @maroon: i think we can start this now
  178. [15:35:06] MurderousMantyke: could you !code the current team for the new joiners -w-
  179. [15:35:14] +Jolly Togekiss: alright hows this workshop gonna get structured then
  180. [15:35:20] SprDragonite: ghost
  181. [15:35:25] #Yellow Paint: !code
  182. Spectrier @ Leftovers
  183. Ability: Grim Neigh
  184. EVs: 144 HP / 112 Def / 252 Spe
  185. Timid Nature
  186. IVs: 0 Atk
  187. - Substitute
  188. - Will-O-Wisp
  189. - Calm Mind
  190. - Hex
  191.  
  192. Blacephalon @ Choice Scarf
  193. Ability: Beast Boost
  194. EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  195. Timid Nature
  196. - Shadow Ball
  197. - Fire Blast
  198. - Trick
  199. - Knock Off
  200.  
  201. Mimikyu @ Red Card
  202. Ability: Disguise
  203. EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  204. Jolly Nature
  205. - Play Rough
  206. - Drain Punch
  207. - Shadow Sneak
  208. - Swords Dance
  209. [15:35:27] #Yellow Paint: current team
  210. [15:35:28] SprDragonite: ^^
  211. [15:35:35] #Yellow Paint: and yeah it's pretty much just a group build with suggestions from chat
  212. [15:35:46] mushamu: are we building around anything
  213. [15:35:47] #Yellow Paint: to the viewers, feel free to pm any helpers if you have any questions and suggestions
  214. [15:35:47] mushamu: in paticular
  215. [15:35:56] @Katy ♪: spectrier
  216. [15:35:59] @Katy ♪: atm
  217. [15:35:59] mushamu: o
  218. [15:36:00] #Yellow Paint: it seems like this one it was around sub cm spect + blace
  219. [15:36:27] mushamu: i think we should use a breaking set on blace
  220. [15:36:29] mushamu: we lose to steel rn
  221. [15:36:38] +Typhlosion4: Specs?
  222. [15:36:40] mushamu: ya
  223. [15:36:41] mushamu: or cm
  224. [15:36:47] MurderousMantyke: if we going specs i'd prefer geng for that
  225. [15:36:54] SprDragonite: ^^
  226. [15:36:55] MurderousMantyke: even as a potential partner
  227. [15:37:03] @maroon: i dont entirely like cm blace
  228. [15:37:14] @maroon: i feel like even with pressure its to fragile to cn
  229. [15:37:18] @maroon: specs is def better
  230. [15:37:20] mushamu: specs is okay too
  231. [15:37:21] +Typhlosion4: Ya
  232. [15:37:26] mushamu: i was thinking we could actually run brick break gengar
  233. [15:37:37] MurderousMantyke: o.O
  234. [15:37:41] MurderousMantyke: explain
  235. [15:37:41] SprDragonite: drain punch mimi also helps against steel tho
  236. [15:37:47] mushamu: its not for steel
  237. [15:37:49] mushamu: its for fairy and dark
  238. [15:37:51] mushamu: for screens
  239. [15:38:42] mushamu: drain punch mmq isnt enuff for steel
  240. [15:38:43] SprDragonite: idt its worth
  241. [15:38:45] MurderousMantyke: against fairy you just click sludge wave, klefki rarely lasts long in the battle
  242. [15:38:54] mushamu: what about vs dark
  243. [15:38:57] mushamu: u cant make progress
  244. [15:39:01] mushamu: without removing screens
  245. [15:39:01] Crystal vince: Brick break gar sounds like cool tech
  246. [15:39:07] SprDragonite: it can learn dgleam
  247. [15:39:15] mushamu: dgleam does like 40 to everything with screens up
  248. [15:39:17] @maroon: my only problem with bb gar
  249. [15:39:25] @maroon: is that its important in both dark/fairy
  250. [15:39:32] +Jolly Togekiss: wait whats bb
  251. [15:39:35] mushamu: brick break
  252. [15:39:37] SprDragonite: brick break ig
  253. [15:39:37] +Jolly Togekiss: oh
  254. [15:39:38] @maroon: and if u click bb it def gets punished for it
  255. [15:39:41] mushamu: well
  256. [15:39:44] SprDragonite: yes
  257. [15:39:47] mushamu: against dark the screener doesn't carry dark stab
  258. [15:39:51] mushamu: so you just click it for free
  259. [15:39:52] SprDragonite: it does not have enough bulk
  260. [15:39:58] +Typhlosion4: Gar is pretty frail as well so after bb
  261. [15:40:00] +Typhlosion4: ..well
  262. [15:40:12] mushamu: even getting it off mid game is huge
  263. [15:40:16] MurderousMantyke: if we have an empty slot on the gar then bb sounds fine
  264. [15:40:17] SprDragonite: against grimm you get twaved
  265. [15:40:26] mushamu: they should be taunt
  266. [15:40:27] MurderousMantyke: grimm runs taunt
  267. [15:40:32] MurderousMantyke: taunt/screens/sbreak
  268. [15:40:39] mushamu: ya that
  269. [15:40:47] SprDragonite: ye
  270. [15:40:53] mushamu: if ur taunt then ur not twave
  271. [15:40:57] mushamu: so u can go gengar and start clicking
  272. [15:41:05] SprDragonite: oh i see
  273. [15:41:17] @maroon: depends on the dark and or fairy
  274. [15:41:21] @maroon: klefki def does do twave
  275. [15:41:28] SprDragonite: idk, almost every grimm i saw was twave
  276. [15:41:35] @maroon: and grimm isnt always running it but def does
  277. [15:41:36] mushamu: if theyre twave
  278. [15:41:39] mushamu: then you can go corsola
  279. [15:41:41] mushamu: and hazard up
  280. [15:41:45] +Jolly Togekiss: is that ghost team the one u guys are making?
  281. [15:41:47] mushamu: yes
  282. [15:41:50] @maroon: true enough
  283. [15:42:11] MurderousMantyke: i wouldnt say all klefki run t-wave
  284. [15:42:21] MurderousMantyke: 4 attacks support isnt great in general
  285. [15:42:23] Crystal vince: Corsola is mandatory for ghost i feel
  286. [15:42:28] MurderousMantyke: *support
  287. [15:42:31] MurderousMantyke: not attacks mb
  288. [15:42:36] MurderousMantyke: screens/spikes are necessary
  289. [15:42:41] mushamu: !code
  290. Gengar @ Spell Tag
  291. Ability: Cursed Body
  292. EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  293. Timid Nature
  294. - Shadow Ball
  295. - Sludge Wave
  296. - Dazzling Gleam
  297. - Brick Break
  298. [15:42:43] mushamu: i had this in mind
  299. [15:42:50] +Jolly Togekiss: corsola is really awkward on ghost imo
  300. [15:43:08] +Jolly Togekiss: ive seen stuff with like, golurk and froslass that is cool
  301. [15:43:26] +Typhlosion4: Corsola was the physical rank?
  302. [15:43:29] +Typhlosion4: tank
  303. [15:43:31] @maroon: even tho galar corsola is awkward on ho ghosts
  304. [15:43:35] MurderousMantyke: ye usually
  305. [15:43:42] @maroon: i think the fact it can take on most phys attackers
  306. [15:43:44] MurderousMantyke: but it can run spdef since it alrdy has wisp + sap
  307. [15:43:50] @maroon: burtn them nd strength sap + cursed body
  308. [15:43:53] +Jolly Togekiss: yeah corsola cant really pivot out, so u end up kinda dead on momentum
  309. [15:44:04] mushamu: corsola isnt supposed to stay around for the whole game
  310. [15:44:08] mushamu: u just set rocks, burn some shit
  311. [15:44:09] @maroon: u end up getting cursed body 9/10 its brought in
  312. [15:44:15] mushamu: and by that time the opposing team is like
  313. [15:44:17] @maroon: u can pull momentum if u get it
  314. [15:44:20] mushamu: weakened enough for gengar/spectrier/dpult to clean
  315. [15:44:22] MurderousMantyke: banded/av dhelmise sounds fun but seems hard to fit
  316. [15:44:27] +Jolly Togekiss: thats true i guess
  317. [15:45:11] SprDragonite: av dhelmise can run rapid spin maybe?
  318. [15:45:14] MurderousMantyke: ye
  319. [15:45:21] MurderousMantyke: spin/anchor/polter/pwhip
  320. [15:45:31] MurderousMantyke: another mon that messes with fairy
  321. [15:45:37] +Typhlosion4: True
  322. [15:45:45] SprDragonite: feelsgood
  323. [15:46:19] +Jolly Togekiss: dhelmise is interesting but idk if the grass stab/rapid spin is worth that speed tier
  324. [15:46:29] +Jolly Togekiss: it doesnt have much beyond grass moves
  325. [15:46:32] @maroon: i dont rlly think dhelmise is ever worth it
  326. [15:46:45] MurderousMantyke: understandable
  327. [15:46:45] @maroon: unless ur goal was to cteam ground
  328. [15:46:52] MurderousMantyke: are there any heat mons worth looking into
  329. [15:46:54] mushamu: spect does that naturally
  330. [15:47:07] @maroon: ye
  331. [15:47:17] @maroon: can i get an updated code
  332. [15:47:49] MurderousMantyke: polteageist seems fun as well
  333. [15:48:07] SprDragonite: polteageist gets broken by rock
  334. [15:48:12] SprDragonite: rocks
  335. [15:48:39] MurderousMantyke: mm what if we run a taunt mon like lass to deny rocks and screens
  336. [15:48:40] +Typhlosion4: Do we have hazard removal? We gonna need that anyway
  337. [15:48:47] MurderousMantyke: ghost doesnt do hazard removal actually
  338. [15:48:51] MurderousMantyke: rly has no good options
  339. [15:48:54] +Typhlosion4: Sad
  340. [15:48:55] SprDragonite: dhelmise and drifblim are the only options
  341. [15:49:02] +Jolly Togekiss: polteageist is basically just a cloyster without a relevant type to kill
  342. [15:49:12] +Jolly Togekiss: so its not very good imo
  343. [15:49:20] SprDragonite: and without a type with hazard removal
  344. [15:49:30] SprDragonite: but with stored power
  345. [15:49:34] +Jolly Togekiss: like, cloyster beats dragon for water. polteageist doesnt really add anything
  346. [15:49:45] @maroon: ok before we continue
  347. [15:49:55] @maroon: is there a consensus on what the current team looks like
  348. [15:50:08] +Jolly Togekiss: uh has anyone been changing the code
  349. [15:50:13] MurderousMantyke: yellow paint dipped
  350. [15:50:13] MurderousMantyke: so no
  351. [15:50:27] +Jolly Togekiss: !code
  352. Spectrier @ Leftovers
  353. Ability: Grim Neigh
  354. EVs: 144 HP / 112 Def / 252 Spe
  355. Timid Nature
  356. IVs: 0 Atk
  357. - Substitute
  358. - Will-O-Wisp
  359. - Calm Mind
  360. - Hex
  361.  
  362. Blacephalon @ Choice Scarf
  363. Ability: Beast Boost
  364. EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  365. Timid Nature
  366. - Shadow Ball
  367. - Fire Blast
  368. - Trick
  369. - Knock Off
  370.  
  371. Mimikyu @ Red Card
  372. Ability: Disguise
  373. EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  374. Jolly Nature
  375. - Play Rough
  376. - Drain Punch
  377. - Shadow Sneak
  378. - Swords Dance
  379. [15:50:32] MurderousMantyke: could someone scroll up and piece it together -w-
  380. [15:50:40] +Jolly Togekiss: I think we should debate on hazard control/pivots next
  381. [15:50:41] @maroon: ^ we adding bb gar
  382. [15:50:47] +Jolly Togekiss: since thats the hardest thing for ghost to get right
  383. [15:50:48] MurderousMantyke: is the gengar in there
  384. [15:51:00] +Jolly Togekiss: brick break gengar
  385. [15:51:00] MurderousMantyke: ye idt hazard control is worth
  386. [15:51:03] MurderousMantyke: outside of taunt lass
  387. [15:51:19] +Jolly Togekiss: someone send me the gengar set
  388. [15:51:29] +Jolly Togekiss: nvm i see it
  389. [15:51:35] MurderousMantyke: !code
  390. Gengar @ Spell Tag
  391. Ability: Cursed Body
  392. EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  393. Timid Nature
  394. - Shadow Ball
  395. - Sludge Wave
  396. - Dazzling Gleam
  397. - Brick Break
  398. [15:51:44] +Jolly Togekiss: !code
  399. Spectrier @ Leftovers
  400. Ability: Grim Neigh
  401. EVs: 144 HP / 112 Def / 252 Spe
  402. Timid Nature
  403. IVs: 0 Atk
  404. - Substitute
  405. - Will-O-Wisp
  406. - Calm Mind
  407. - Hex
  408.  
  409. Blacephalon @ Choice Scarf
  410. Ability: Beast Boost
  411. EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  412. Timid Nature
  413. - Shadow Ball
  414. - Fire Blast
  415. - Trick
  416. - Knock Off
  417.  
  418. Mimikyu @ Red Card
  419. Ability: Disguise
  420. EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  421. Jolly Nature
  422. - Play Rough
  423. - Drain Punch
  424. - Shadow Sneak
  425. - Swords Dance
  426.  
  427. Gengar @ Spell Tag
  428. Ability: Cursed Body
  429. EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  430. Timid Nature
  431. - Shadow Ball
  432. - Sludge Wave
  433. - Dazzling Gleam
  434. - Brick Break
  435. [15:51:55] SprDragonite: i have seen palossand in ghost, tho idk whats its role, besides rocks
  436. [15:51:56] +Jolly Togekiss: alright cool team so far
  437. [15:51:57] AtraX Madara was promoted to Room Whitelist by maroon.
  438. [15:52:01] @maroon: atrax madara
  439. [15:52:04] MurderousMantyke: welcome
  440. [15:52:15] SprDragonite: hello
  441. [15:52:16] +Jolly Togekiss: insane speed tiers but nobody to switch them in rn
  442. [15:52:16] #Mr(^‿^)Aldo: should actually be around now
  443. [15:52:22] #Mr(^‿^)Aldo: keep at it, doing great
  444. [15:52:32] +Jolly Togekiss: i'd say we need some pivots as the last 2
  445. [15:52:35] +Jolly Togekiss: like, badly
  446. [15:52:49] MurderousMantyke: we need a pult hol up
  447. [15:52:51] SprDragonite: dragapult
  448. [15:52:55] MurderousMantyke: u-turn pult tho? means giving up ddance
  449. [15:52:59] +Jolly Togekiss: aegislash and pult i guess?
  450. [15:53:07] @maroon: is there any reason
  451. [15:53:09] MurderousMantyke: we can debate the aegi slot
  452. [15:53:11] AtraX Madara: can i ask what is brick breack on gengar for ?
  453. [15:53:11] @Katy ♪: If there are any questions regarding the team feel free to shot us a message
  454. [15:53:15] @maroon: we went with spell tag gengar
  455. [15:53:16] AtraX Madara: break*
  456. [15:53:18] MurderousMantyke: AtraX Madara, its for screens fairy and dark
  457. [15:53:24] @maroon: imo we should be boosting the poison stab
  458. [15:53:27] MurderousMantyke: i assume spell tag is to make up for the lack of specs
  459. [15:53:27] +Jolly Togekiss: uh, because mushamu said so
  460. [15:53:31] MurderousMantyke: ^ fr
  461. [15:53:32] +Jolly Togekiss: i agree tho
  462. [15:53:42] mushamu: boosting the ghost stab makes more sense
  463. [15:53:50] SprDragonite: why does pult give up ddance for uturn?
  464. [15:53:53] mushamu: ghost stab is generally so much better than poison stab
  465. [15:53:57] MurderousMantyke: ddance u-turn shouldnt exist
  466. [15:54:01] +Typhlosion4: lol
  467. [15:54:03] +Jolly Togekiss: its better neutral coverage i guess. this team is also kinda all about spamming ghost moves
  468. [15:54:09] @maroon: but in specific for what u wanna hit with knock
  469. [15:54:16] @maroon: like dark/fairy
  470. [15:54:17] +Jolly Togekiss: tbh i think we need a physical aegislash on this team
  471. [15:54:21] @maroon: def u want strong sludge
  472. [15:54:24] +Jolly Togekiss: for close combat
  473. [15:54:29] AtraX Madara: i usually run energy ball and it seems more useful for water and ground since they aren't that easy to beat,but then u struggle against ttar so yea,fblast can cover that + steels
  474. [15:54:34] mushamu: i dont think boosting poison stab makes a difference against fairy
  475. [15:54:48] +Jolly Togekiss: ^ idk if the power actualy adds anything to the mu
  476. [15:55:01] +Jolly Togekiss: like, even +1 clef is still dying right?
  477. [15:55:21] mushamu: are we talking about the attribute team
  478. [15:55:27] +Jolly Togekiss: probably
  479. [15:55:27] AtraX Madara: i'm pretty sure u get ohko's to tapu lele and koko even tho i think lele was a roll
  480. [15:55:28] MurderousMantyke: yh swave 2hkos +1 clef
  481. [15:55:39] MurderousMantyke: shadow ball is a roll on lele, not swave
  482. [15:55:46] MurderousMantyke: its like 87% ohko with wave
  483. [15:55:51] mushamu: it shouldnt matter ya
  484. [15:55:54] mushamu: 252 SpA Gengar Sludge Wave vs. +1 252 HP / 0 SpD Clefable: 228-270 (57.8 - 68.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  485. [15:56:19] mushamu: well you would just sball the lele
  486. [15:56:39] mushamu: but sludge shud kill regardless
  487. [15:56:40] mushamu: ya
  488. [15:56:41] MurderousMantyke: ye but we were on about poison barb
  489. [15:57:04] @maroon: alright im good w/ ghost tag then
  490. [15:57:23] +Jolly Togekiss: wdyt about physical aegislash and some sort of pivot pult?
  491. [15:57:42] +Jolly Togekiss: that seems like a good last 2. aegislash beats normal mons
  492. [15:57:48] diegoblu was promoted to Room Whitelist by maroon.
  493. [15:57:50] +Jolly Togekiss: and we want a bit more momentum
  494. [15:57:53] SprDragonite: sd aegi is ud
  495. [15:57:55] SprDragonite: gud
  496. [15:58:07] @maroon: diegoblu
  497. [15:58:07] mushamu: we should run scarf aegislash
  498. [15:58:09] mushamu: i bet it slaps
  499. [15:58:11] diegoblu: hi
  500. [15:58:11] +Jolly Togekiss: sd close combat protect aegis
  501. [15:58:32] SprDragonite: like: sd, sneak, cc, king shield/ iron head
  502. [15:58:35] +Jolly Togekiss: well, scarf aegis is cool but it doesnt play the same role i wa sthinking of
  503. [15:58:44] mushamu: whats sd for on this team
  504. [15:58:54] AtraX Madara: sd air balloon ?
  505. [15:59:14] +Jolly Togekiss: i just wanted the physical fighting moves and a way to wallbreak better with them
  506. [15:59:22] SprDragonite: i run wp
  507. [15:59:27] AtraX Madara: me2
  508. [15:59:31] @maroon: also could help with dark
  509. [15:59:34] AtraX Madara: but it can't pivot that much
  510. [15:59:36] @maroon: u lead aegi vs grimm
  511. [15:59:42] @maroon: u could get iron head off
  512. [15:59:59] @maroon: as long as ur item isnt making it obvious
  513. [16:00:02] @maroon: like air balloon
  514. [16:00:03] +Jolly Togekiss: scarf is cool but then you lose out onmindgames with kings shield, which i think are ok here
  515. [16:00:17] +Jolly Togekiss: makes aegis more annoying for dark and steel probably
  516. [16:00:23] SprDragonite: i love king shield+ wp
  517. [16:00:38] SprDragonite: you can weaken the move with shield
  518. [16:00:40] +Jolly Togekiss: im not sold on the item being weakness policy but thats not bad'
  519. [16:00:58] AtraX Madara: yea i always used wp aegi
  520. [16:01:04] SprDragonite: and resist it activating wp
  521. [16:01:38] diegoblu: aegi is tanky enough to afford wp i think. its a fine item
  522. [16:01:56] SprDragonite: in its shield yes
  523. [16:02:19] SprDragonite: not in the blade
  524. [16:02:20] @maroon: i have to agree
  525. [16:02:25] +Jolly Togekiss: but would the longevity of lefties or balooon have a chance to be better>
  526. [16:02:25] @maroon: i dont think wp aegi is that good
  527. [16:02:28] @maroon: like yes it can work
  528. [16:02:41] @maroon: but most of the time its not gonna work favorably
  529. [16:02:53] mushamu: i like balloon on ghost
  530. [16:02:56] mushamu: because u lose to spikes
  531. [16:02:58] diegoblu: i dont think lefties would be good in sdance aegi
  532. [16:03:02] diegoblu: balloon is ok
  533. [16:03:08] @maroon: hm fair enuf ig
  534. [16:03:13] @maroon: sd balloon aegi
  535. [16:03:20] @maroon: cc iron head sneak?
  536. [16:03:23] mushamu: yeah
  537. [16:03:27] SprDragonite: maybe
  538. [16:03:34] diegoblu: yeah
  539. [16:03:35] SprDragonite: ye
  540. [16:04:05] SprDragonite: since you are not pretending to take hits
  541. [16:04:32] @maroon: !code
  542. Spectrier @ Leftovers
  543. Ability: Grim Neigh
  544. EVs: 144 HP / 112 Def / 252 Spe
  545. Timid Nature
  546. IVs: 0 Atk
  547. - Substitute
  548. - Will-O-Wisp
  549. - Calm Mind
  550. - Hex
  551.  
  552. Blacephalon @ Choice Scarf
  553. Ability: Beast Boost
  554. EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  555. Timid Nature
  556. - Shadow Ball
  557. - Fire Blast
  558. - Trick
  559. - Knock Off
  560.  
  561. Mimikyu @ Red Card
  562. Ability: Disguise
  563. EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  564. Jolly Nature
  565. - Play Rough
  566. - Drain Punch
  567. - Shadow Sneak
  568. - Swords Dance
  569.  
  570. Gengar @ Spell Tag
  571. Ability: Cursed Body
  572. EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  573. Timid Nature
  574. - Shadow Ball
  575. - Sludge Wave
  576. - Dazzling Gleam
  577. - Brick Break
  578.  
  579. Aegislash @ Air Balloon
  580. Ability: Stance Change
  581. EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  582. Jolly Nature
  583. - Swords Dance
  584. - Close Combat
  585. - Iron Head
  586. - Shadow Sneak
  587. [16:05:02] MurderousMantyke: what's jolly aegi for
  588. [16:05:06] @maroon: bisharp
  589. [16:05:16] AtraX Madara: a queston
  590. [16:05:24] @maroon: ye
  591. [16:05:25] AtraX Madara: do u really mind about spectrier having 394 speed ?
  592. [16:05:33] AtraX Madara: for those speed ties
  593. [16:05:34] MurderousMantyke: i mentioned making it 216 speed
  594. [16:05:46] MurderousMantyke: for ada pult
  595. [16:05:49] @maroon: i mean 394 is more then just other spectrier
  596. [16:05:51] SprDragonite: 216+
  597. [16:05:53] @maroon: its also koko
  598. [16:05:56] AtraX Madara: yea
  599. [16:06:05] AtraX Madara: but u re still cm spectrier
  600. [16:06:07] AtraX Madara: not like specs
  601. [16:06:14] @maroon: idk i dont think making it slower is helpful
  602. [16:06:19] MurderousMantyke: max speed opposing spectr are probably scarfed
  603. [16:06:31] mushamu: making it slower would be okay if ghost had a defensive backbone
  604. [16:06:32] MurderousMantyke: and the speed drop means more bulk
  605. [16:06:33] mushamu: but thats not the case
  606. [16:06:39] AtraX Madara: i ve been using it 216 after a whole and i didn't had any problems but it's up to you
  607. [16:07:01] AtraX Madara: also crobat could potentially win a speedt and toxic u
  608. [16:07:03] @maroon: i did want to talk about one thing on the team
  609. [16:07:10] @maroon: red card mimikyu
  610. [16:07:23] @maroon: do yall think its ever worth
  611. [16:07:27] SprDragonite: yes
  612. [16:07:37] AtraX Madara: i prefer life orb but red card is a valid set and can save u in some occations
  613. [16:07:42] SprDragonite: imo its better than lorb
  614. [16:07:42] @maroon: personally i just always go for the strongest sneaks
  615. [16:07:50] SprDragonite: and its fun
  616. [16:07:59] MurderousMantyke: you have a way to prevent gmolt from setting up
  617. [16:08:04] MurderousMantyke: sub gmolt mostly
  618. [16:08:14] MurderousMantyke: phase it out once and sd at the same time
  619. [16:08:39] @maroon: hmm subgmolt
  620. [16:08:43] @maroon: is a good enough reason for me
  621. [16:09:39] @maroon: alright
  622. [16:09:45] @maroon: last member of the team
  623. [16:09:50] MurderousMantyke: something heat D:
  624. [16:10:04] SprDragonite: chandelure?
  625. [16:10:08] SprDragonite: its fire
  626. [16:10:09] MurderousMantyke: we have blaceph
  627. [16:10:10] @maroon: u have blace
  628. [16:10:17] SprDragonite: fire=heat
  629. [16:10:18] diegoblu: its p much HO so id say a lead
  630. [16:10:24] @maroon: honestly this team wouldnt be complete
  631. [16:10:25] MurderousMantyke: froslass sounds perfect
  632. [16:10:27] diegoblu: like froslass or golurk
  633. [16:10:27] @maroon: without pult
  634. [16:10:29] SprDragonite: froslass isn't heat
  635. [16:10:31] SprDragonite: its cold
  636. [16:10:34] MurderousMantyke: >.>
  637. [16:10:39] @maroon: but that isnt heat
  638. [16:10:40] @maroon: lol
  639. [16:10:47] MurderousMantyke: a bit uncommon, at least
  640. [16:10:57] SprDragonite: ye froslass is good
  641. [16:11:01] SprDragonite: for me
  642. [16:11:08] diegoblu: u can also opt for corsola eviolite rocks
  643. [16:11:10] diegoblu: as ur lead
  644. [16:11:28] @maroon: unfortunately i dont think
  645. [16:11:34] @maroon: going for heat over viability
  646. [16:11:37] @maroon: is the move here
  647. [16:11:55] @maroon: since this is a monotype workshop aimed towards newer users
  648. [16:12:09] MurderousMantyke: lass makes sense considering the team's offensive
  649. [16:12:18] MurderousMantyke: im not mentioning it just for heat
  650. [16:12:19] SprDragonite: indeed
  651. [16:13:53] +Jolly Togekiss: i mean, wouldnt pult fill the team out better
  652. [16:14:06] SprDragonite: idk
  653. [16:14:17] +Jolly Togekiss: gives water resist and a pivot. ghost is already a bad type but pult adds a lot
  654. [16:14:30] @maroon: ye
  655. [16:14:33] +Jolly Togekiss: dragon resistances are hard to come by
  656. [16:14:45] @maroon: esp ones that deal with gengar and aegi
  657. [16:14:45] +Jolly Togekiss: i mean like, tne resistsnaces dragon gives
  658. [16:14:50] +Jolly Togekiss: ye
  659. [16:15:17] SprDragonite: with a layer of spikes, 252 SpA Blacephalon Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Tapu Koko: 255-300 (90.7 - 106.7%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
  660. [16:15:30] MurderousMantyke: that's without spikes
  661. [16:15:37] SprDragonite: ik
  662. [16:15:48] mushamu: pult is like the reason ghost is viable
  663. [16:16:02] diegoblu: ye the team needs it
  664. [16:16:08] mushamu: its the best mon in the tier
  665. [16:16:12] mushamu: its just on 2 shit types
  666. [16:16:48] +Jolly Togekiss: best mon in the tier is a stretch. I'd give that to darm or blace
  667. [16:17:03] +Jolly Togekiss: both are on shit types as well
  668. [16:17:07] @maroon: melm is but ok
  669. [16:17:15] mushamu: melm is like the 10th best mon in the tier
  670. [16:17:17] mushamu: its just unhealthy as shit
  671. [16:17:20] +Jolly Togekiss: ^
  672. [16:17:26] @maroon: the way it clicks dib tho
  673. [16:17:30] +Jolly Togekiss: 10th is low but yeah
  674. [16:17:31] SprDragonite: lando or steela imo
  675. [16:17:35] mushamu: i think pult > darm for sure
  676. [16:17:44] mushamu: ace is borderline broken tbh
  677. [16:17:48] +Jolly Togekiss: blacephalon is kinda insane man
  678. [16:17:55] +Jolly Togekiss: i menat
  679. [16:17:58] mushamu: oh i thought u said cinderace
  680. [16:17:59] mushamu: blace is bad
  681. [16:18:00] +Jolly Togekiss: cinderace
  682. [16:18:02] +Jolly Togekiss: yes
  683. [16:18:07] @maroon: we gonna go standard ss set
  684. [16:18:09] @maroon: on the pult
  685. [16:18:13] mushamu: yeah
  686. [16:18:13] +Jolly Togekiss: whats standard
  687. [16:18:13] mushamu: that works
  688. [16:18:22] SprDragonite: ddance sub ig
  689. [16:18:22] @maroon: !code
  690. Dragapult @ Leftovers
  691. Ability: Infiltrator
  692. EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  693. Jolly Nature
  694. - Dragon Dance
  695. - Dragon Darts
  696. - Phantom Force
  697. - Substitute
  698. [16:18:34] @maroon: u could use dragon fang>leftys
  699. [16:18:41] +Jolly Togekiss: sure thats ok
  700. [16:18:55] MurderousMantyke: does it pick up any specific kos
  701. [16:19:17] diegoblu: i think lefties better on that set because of sub and phantom free turn
  702. [16:19:30] SprDragonite: idk if it ohkos multiscale dnite with fng
  703. [16:19:34] SprDragonite: fang*
  704. [16:19:34] +Jolly Togekiss: i generally prefer pults with like, scarf or smth, but this is probably good on ghost
  705. [16:19:35] @maroon: https://pokepast.es/ce35b046ae5ea498
  706. [16:19:43] +Jolly Togekiss: tbh i havnt really been developing ghost pult sets
  707. [16:19:46] @maroon: we can debate w3hich
  708. [16:19:47] @maroon: item
  709. [16:20:02] @maroon: i agree on dragon dd isnt the best
  710. [16:20:08] @maroon: but i think it works the most on ghost
  711. [16:20:13] AtraX Madara: idk why i ve 224+ on dpult speed
  712. [16:20:21] AtraX Madara: without +
  713. [16:21:49] @maroon: i dont think it should ever be slower than koko
  714. [16:22:09] @maroon: 196+ is lowest id ever go
  715. [16:23:29] AtraX Madara: oh u use it jolly
  716. [16:23:34] AtraX Madara: it'c bcause i use it adamant
  717. [16:27:54] @maroon: ye underspeeding weavile koko etc
  718. [16:27:57] @maroon: is always a no no
  719. [16:28:12] @maroon: i go 196+ bz it still outspeeds the rarer sand drill with jolly
  720. [16:30:12] @maroon: anyway
  721. [16:33:21] AtraX Madara was promoted to Room regular user by maroon.
  722. [16:33:21] Crystal vince was promoted to Room regular user by maroon.
  723. [16:33:21] diegoblu was promoted to Room regular user by maroon.
  724. [16:33:21] Jolly Togekiss was promoted to Room regular user by maroon.
  725. [16:33:21] MurderousMantyke was promoted to Room regular user by maroon.
  726. [16:33:21] mushamu was promoted to Room regular user by maroon.
  727. [16:33:21] SprDragonite was promoted to Room regular user by maroon.
  728. [16:33:27] mushamu: okurrr!!!
  729. [16:33:36] @maroon: :wow:
  730. [16:33:44] +Jolly Togekiss: my powers
  731. [16:33:46] +Jolly Togekiss: gone
  732. [16:33:49] @maroon: ok thanks everyone for coming to the mono workshop
  733. [16:33:51] #Mr(^‿^)Aldo: ty all for participating! crazy how it got so lenghty for a team
  734. [16:33:55] #Mr(^‿^)Aldo: crazy
Add Comment
Please, Sign In to add comment
Public Pastes
We use cookies for various purposes including analytics. By continuing to use Pastebin, you agree to our use of cookies as described in the Cookies Policy.  OK, I Understand
Not a member of Pastebin yet?
Sign Up, it unlocks many cool features!