Sedra - Today at 6:32 PM
@VP you have been revealed
traitor
Allegedly you tried to introduce doc and mitch?
MysticJoJo - Today at 6:33 PM
We don't need this shit going on in here.  If your purpose was anything other than to sit in here and wait to see who you could try to recruit, I would suggest you tell us.
Sedra - Today at 6:34 PM
I don't 100% trust doc so I want your say on this
VP - Today at 6:34 PM
Traitor? I question your wording but yes, yes I did
Sedra - Today at 6:35 PM
Why?
VP - Today at 6:35 PM
Because I had brought up some random stuff, ended up mentioning Doc, and Mitch was curious about meeting him
MysticJoJo - Today at 6:35 PM
Yeah, you brought up a fake version of how things went down when you're well aware that you were lying.
Sedra - Today at 6:35 PM
Yeah because mitch just looooves corrupting people
VP - Today at 6:36 PM
I never talked about what I thought went down, nor did I lie
I did mention that I had different views on the matter, and that was that
MysticJoJo - Today at 6:36 PM
So, you can't tell the truth.  Neato.
Sedra - Today at 6:36 PM
Sedra - Today at 6:27 PM
Who told you?
Sassafras Linbleu - Today at 6:28 PM
Someone who still hasn't been banned from the main chat. Here's some of what they said:
"Heh, the meatloaf story sure was fun. Wraith and Mitch, such great friends that Wraith had no problem with posting a story for all to see trashing him the second he was banned with no remorse. And I most certainly have NOT seen him accept apologies myself
Forced them out of people and then claim that they weren't sincere yes, accept them no"
Note that Wraith didn't namedrop Mitch until after Mitch's ramble.
MysticJoJo - Today at 6:37 PM
And, for that matter, Mitch isn't his real name.
Sedra - Today at 6:37 PM
Nor is "Dwight"
MysticJoJo - Today at 6:37 PM
Even after he lied to me multiple times and tried to help take my life's work away from me for petty reasons, I still respected his privacy enough to not say his real name.
Sedra - Today at 6:38 PM
Or even his username, until he kinda did that himself.
VP - Today at 6:38 PM
Its fun how you assume I lie about everything, even when I don't. Also, from what I understand, you completly misunderstood what he was trying to do when he tried to "steal" your work, though I doubt you care to hear about that
Ciar - Today at 6:38 PM
Well, Mitchell is his middle name
MysticJoJo - Today at 6:38 PM
And yeah, when someone immediately turns around and tries to stab me yet again after pretending to apologize, I'm going to call it out as insincere.
Sedra - Today at 6:39 PM
holy shit this is two year old drama why are you still perpetuating it
Mitch is an asshat and we're all done with him
VP - Today at 6:39 PM
I was not the one to bring it up here
And you can have your opinion. I will have my opinion too
Sedra - Today at 6:39 PM
Don't shift the blame
MysticJoJo - Today at 6:40 PM
No, you just vultured over the discord in wait for someone to get pissed off enough that you could offer them the path of mitch, like a drug dealer with a pants-shitting manchild shoved up his coat.
VP - Today at 6:40 PM
No, I simply brought some random stuff up, I am not here for recruitment purposes
MysticJoJo - Today at 6:41 PM
You're rapidly running out of chances to tell the truth.
VP - Today at 6:41 PM
Its fun how you still assume I'm lying
MysticJoJo - Today at 6:41 PM
It's not an assumption, it's an inference.
VP - Today at 6:41 PM
And its wrong, but I doubt I can make you change your mind
MysticJoJo - Today at 6:42 PM
Lying about stuff we'd already been sent evidence to the contrary of isn't a good way to do it.
Sedra - Today at 6:42 PM
The message basically says "Hey look at how big of a dick wraith is"
MysticJoJo - Today at 6:42 PM
And I certainly don't owe you the benefit of being tolerant of more of this pointlessly divisive horseshit.
VP - Today at 6:43 PM
Then lets cut to the chase, what do you two wanna do with me?
There is nothing I can say to defend myself because you will both dismiss every bit of it, so we might as well get to the end of this quickly
MysticJoJo - Today at 6:43 PM
Oh, look, he's going to try and martyr himself.
As if your actions aren't inherently banworthy.  Fuck you.(edited)
VP - Today at 6:43 PM
Martyr? Nah, I just don't feel like wasting my time arguing
metalspiral - Today at 6:43 PM
oh bother
Sedra - Today at 6:44 PM
VP: "Well, you caught me. Bye."
MysticJoJo - Today at 6:44 PM
You lied about the sequence of events.
Sedra - Today at 6:44 PM
I would also like to mention that VP constantly arguing with wraith was why he left the skype in the first place.
MysticJoJo - Today at 6:44 PM
You intentionally chose to try to send Doc to Mitch at the time when he would be most likely to still hold a grudge.
Sedra - Today at 6:44 PM
^
VP - Today at 6:45 PM
I have zero clue what you are talking about but alrighty, and I did not. MITCH asked me to introduce him
MysticJoJo - Today at 6:45 PM
That's disgusting cult tactics, and you should absolutely be ashamed of yourself for doing it.
That you're being chewed out for it and your response isn't wondering why it's wrong but instead doubling down on the lies to try and deflect in any direction you can manage is evidence of poor character.
And even if that weren't the case, does the fact that Mitch tried to get you to talk to him on the grounds of common hatred not ring any alarm bells?
VP - Today at 6:48 PM
Well then, list out what lies I have told and what have I done wrong. And eh, while seeing of Doc was interested in checking out some of Mitch's stuff wasn't out of the question....he's not trying to form some kind of hate cult against you
MysticJoJo - Today at 6:48 PM
I haven't talked to you in two years,VP.  That you'd be willing to harbor a grudge for this long is pathetic.
Sedra - Today at 6:48 PM
5 years. We all know when this started.
MysticJoJo - Today at 6:48 PM
VP, it's already been done in this chat, less than fifteen minutes ago.
VP - Today at 6:49 PM
I never said I was holding a grudge, you are simply assuming. And if its already been done, you can literally just copy paste it to refresh my memory
Sedra - Today at 6:49 PM
"Heh, the meatloaf story sure was fun. Wraith and Mitch, such great friends that Wraith had no problem with posting a story for all to see trashing him the second he was banned with no remorse. And I most certainly have NOT seen him accept apologies myself
Forced them out of people and then claim that they weren't sincere yes, accept them no"
VP - Today at 6:50 PM
Meatloaf story? Yeah I view that as a bit of a jerk move. I would think that posting horrible stories about people on the internet to trash their reputation counts as a bit of a not nice thing. And as for the apologies thing...I mean when its happened to me and I've seen it happen to others, I don't think its a lie
MysticJoJo - Today at 6:51 PM
Except Mitch wasn't at all identified in the story.
Sedra - Today at 6:51 PM
Not even by his username.
MysticJoJo - Today at 6:51 PM
So, given that I gave a completely different name, how exactly was that going to trash his reputation?
VP - Today at 6:51 PM
Perhaps my memory on that is fuzzy, and I will accept that I could be wrong about it, even if the timing is ever so slightly suspicious
MysticJoJo - Today at 6:52 PM
It still says that name on the story.
Are you going to claim that I changed it later?
Sedra - Today at 6:52 PM
Oh well I'm sorry that Joey ruined mitch's reputation, under an alias, to the watchers that never participated in the drama.
MysticJoJo - Today at 6:52 PM
Look in the comments, I didn't edit those.
Ciar - Today at 6:52 PM
When he shared the story, he called him "Dwight," and it was Mitch who identified it as himself later.
VP - Today at 6:52 PM
No, I never said that
MysticJoJo - Today at 6:52 PM
And as for the apologies thing, I already told you--and you already knew from two years ago--that I had accepted Mitch's apology multiple times and only said it was insincere after he revealed it to be so.
VP - Today at 6:52 PM
I said that perhaps I did not remember that particular part of the situation PERFECTLY
MysticJoJo - Today at 6:53 PM
Then why would you take actions based on remembering it the wrong way?
VP - Today at 6:53 PM
Would you not usually assume that your memory is correct?
Would you instead assume you automatically remember things wrong?
MysticJoJo - Today at 6:53 PM
And why, when told that you're wrong, would you double down on the lie?
Sedra - Today at 6:53 PM
^^^^^^^^^^
MysticJoJo - Today at 6:54 PM
Because the story's been posted on DA the entire time.  You could easily have checked it.
metalspiral - Today at 6:54 PM
feel like this drifted from the matter at hand
VP - Today at 6:54 PM
I did not double down on the "Lie." I flat out said that yes I could have remembered it wrong, and accepted that
MysticJoJo - Today at 6:54 PM
And let's not forget that the other person you're arguing with is a victim of Mitch and his sad cult's abuse.
Not until the third time we shoved it in your face.
Sedra - Today at 6:55 PM
You told the story to doc as if mitch is a victim
VP - Today at 6:55 PM
Lets take a look at my first response
Sedra - Today at 6:55 PM
Mitch is a dick
VP - Today at 6:55 PM
VP - Today at 8:51 PM
Perhaps my memory on that is fuzzy, and I will accept that I could be wrong about it, even if the timing is ever so slightly suspicious
Hey look, I said my memory could be fuzzy
Sedra - Today at 6:55 PM
I can give you that, BUT
VP - Today at 6:55 PM
That's not doubling down, that's called "Okay, fair enough. I might have remembered it wrong"
Sedra - Today at 6:55 PM
Maybe you should doublecheck the story before you tell people things about it.
MysticJoJo - Today at 6:55 PM
And yet you've used this as an excuse to think that I'm a dick the entire time.
VP - Today at 6:56 PM
And while yes I did point out a situation in which I think Wraith did wrong...that does not enclose the entirety of my feelings on the situation
As noted, YOU GENERALLY EXPECT YOUR MEMORY TO BE CORRECT
MysticJoJo - Today at 6:56 PM
So either you misread the whole thing from the get-go, you never read it and were told by someone else that it went down that way, or you changed your mind about what you remembered later on.
Sedra - Today at 6:56 PM
Technically there was a memory bias there.
metalspiral - Today at 6:56 PM
I don't expect my memory to be correct... But that's just me.
MysticJoJo - Today at 6:56 PM
And even given the benefit of the doubt on every single claim you're making now?
Sedra - Today at 6:56 PM
He knew it was mitch beforehand.
VP - Today at 6:57 PM
Lets take a look at the sequence of events. The story was posted, during a time in whcih all that stuff was going down. As such, things could get associated in my head, to the point where I could reasonably assume you noted his name in the story
MysticJoJo - Today at 6:57 PM
You STILL know exactly what Mitch and his group had done, how they had tried to steal MSF High from me, and how they lied to everyone they could to turn people against me for the purposes of gathering false testimony and damage my reputation.
Sedra - Today at 6:57 PM
Mitch tries to recruit whoever he can to schism
VP - Today at 6:57 PM
They tried to BUY it from you after you weren't doing much with it, and would have accepted a no for an answer
That's not stealing
That's a simpel business deal
Sedra - Today at 6:58 PM
And then
Joey declined
And they tried to steal it
MysticJoJo - Today at 6:58 PM
VP, do you know that "Schism" is a name that Mitch used to taunt me over a dear friend of mine that had died earlier?
Sedra - Today at 6:58 PM
Did you forget that part?
metalspiral - Today at 6:58 PM
oh yeah, "schism", the aforementioned hate cult that doesn't exist
VP - Today at 6:58 PM
Wraith, do you know that "Schism" is a name that Mitch used to note the SCHISM of MSF, when half of its fans went away?
metalspiral - Today at 6:59 PM
yeah... using the word "schism" in that case is pretty arrogant in my opinion
MysticJoJo - Today at 6:59 PM
Everyone here saw the logs.  They planned to lie to the server admin under the assumption that if they told him I was mean enough he would give them control of the server and that would make MSF High theirs as well.
Oh, that's so much better!
Swade9wade - Today at 6:59 PM
What does schism mean anyway?
metalspiral - Today at 6:59 PM
a split over a difference in belief
VP - Today at 6:59 PM
And yes, he did in fact feel pretty bad when he realized that Schism was a term that referred to someone you knew.
And yeup, that's exactly what happened
MysticJoJo - Today at 6:59 PM
"No, he didn't mean to taunt you over your dead friend!  He only meant it to taunt you over having ripped the community in half!"
Sedra - Today at 6:59 PM
^^^^^^
THAT
Swade9wade - Today at 6:59 PM
Oooh, thanks.
MysticJoJo - Today at 6:59 PM
He felt so bad about it that he kept it.
Sedra - Today at 6:59 PM
I was just about to say that
VP - Today at 6:59 PM
There was a schism, and as he wanted to make his own community and needed a name quickly...
metalspiral - Today at 7:00 PM
except the difference in belief was that the author was not sufficient to service the franchise
VP - Today at 7:00 PM
Yes, after he had already set everything up under the name of Schism, and it wasn't quite as easily changed
MysticJoJo - Today at 7:00 PM
His actions speak to his motivations.
Sedra - Today at 7:00 PM
Okay, VP
metalspiral - Today at 7:00 PM
that's not a point of schism, that's idea theft
Sedra - Today at 7:00 PM
You have one minute to own up.
And then I will ban you.
This is going on too long.
VP - Today at 7:00 PM
Mitch didn't STEAL MSF. There is literally no MSF going on over on his forums
MysticJoJo - Today at 7:01 PM
Because he's afraid I'll sue the shit out of him for it, and because I yanked down the rules until he set up something different.
Sedra - Today at 7:01 PM
30 seconds.
MysticJoJo - Today at 7:01 PM
He tried and failed to steal it.
metalspiral - Today at 7:01 PM
yeah, because he knew he couldn't, he's more just going along with the people who tried
VP - Today at 7:01 PM
Nah, its just no one felt like doing it
Also, go ahead, ban me
MysticJoJo - Today at 7:01 PM
It doesn't matter.  He plans to go back to his group and tell them how valiantly he fought us and how evil we were for banning him.
VP - Today at 7:01 PM
Lets get this over with
There's nothing I can say to change this
metalspiral - Today at 7:01 PM
waaait
VP - Today at 7:01 PM
Nothing I can do
None of you will ever listen to me
metalspiral - Today at 7:01 PM
wait wait await
MysticJoJo - Today at 7:02 PM
We're listening and responding to your claims, then you're ignoring that outright.
Sedra - Today at 7:02 PM
^
VP - Today at 7:02 PM
You continue to automatically assume that no matter what I say, its in defense of a cult of Mitch and his realm of notMSF
Sedra - Today at 7:02 PM
That's because it is
VP - Today at 7:02 PM
And what if its not?
Have you been there?
Sedra - Today at 7:02 PM
Yep
VP - Today at 7:03 PM
Have you talked to people there?
MysticJoJo - Today at 7:03 PM
Then you're really bad at articulating yourself.
Sedra - Today at 7:03 PM
Yep
VP - Today at 7:03 PM
Gotten to know it all?
Sedra - Today at 7:03 PM
Yep
VP - Today at 7:03 PM
You went there ONCE
TO SPY on us
Sedra - Today at 7:03 PM
Yep
Nope
VP - Today at 7:03 PM
When we gave you a CHANCE
Sedra - Today at 7:03 PM
Your bias is showing
Banning in 10. Any objections?
MysticJoJo - Today at 7:03 PM
I think Spiral wanted to say something.
Sedra - Today at 7:03 PM
Go ahead
MysticJoJo - Today at 7:03 PM
Or hear something.  I'm not sure.
Ciar - Today at 7:03 PM
I don't like banning people in general, but do what you gotta do.
metalspiral - Today at 7:04 PM
I wanna make sure i understand what's happening here
Swade9wade - Today at 7:04 PM
Neutral on this.
MysticJoJo - Today at 7:04 PM
Hard to justify letting someone stay when they're actively trying to recruit people to a hate cult against me.
Sedra - Today at 7:04 PM
Basically VP tried to introduce mitch to doc knowing what mitch does to people and then played it off like nothing happened
MysticJoJo - Today at 7:04 PM
On that note, though?
VP - Today at 7:04 PM
Always assuming the hate cult...
Just get on with it
MysticJoJo - Today at 7:04 PM
Absolutely flattered that they still care this much after all this time.
Dude.
VP - Today at 7:04 PM
Ban me
Sedra - Today at 7:04 PM
even though this shit settled 2 years ago
VP - Today at 7:04 PM
No one cares about MSF over there. WE LEFT
WE ALL LEFT
Except for me
Sedra - Today at 7:04 PM
"We"
VP - Today at 7:04 PM
Cause I hoped that maybe things could get better
Sedra - Today at 7:05 PM
Uhuh...
MysticJoJo - Today at 7:05 PM
Mitch tried to get you to recruit Doc after he got tempbanned.  If it's not an attempt to play off that drama, then I'd like to know why he had you do it.
VP - Today at 7:05 PM
Because he was possibly curious about why he was being compared to random people?
MysticJoJo - Today at 7:05 PM
Because you're not offering any other explanations, just the idea that we abandon the blaringly obvious trail of bread crumbs.
VP - Today at 7:05 PM
I'd ask him, but he is not online right now
MysticJoJo - Today at 7:06 PM
So, then, you just, what, tell Mitch every post that shows up in here?
VP - Today at 7:06 PM
I LITERALLY HAVE NO FULL TRUE IDEA WHY MITCH WANTED TO TALK TO DOC
MysticJoJo - Today at 7:06 PM
And that he has you do that wasn't a red flag?
VP - Today at 7:06 PM
Sure, why not
Sedra - Today at 7:06 PM
WHY DID YOU MENTION DOC?
VP - Today at 7:06 PM
Whoops misread what you meant, I thought you were talking about this, nah I don't mention everything that goes on in here
Sedra - Today at 7:06 PM
WHY DO YOU EVEN STILL TALK TO MITCH
VP - Today at 7:06 PM
I OCCASIONALLY mention things
Cause I think he's not the jerk you think he is
Sedra - Today at 7:07 PM
So I'm the spy?
Yeah, of course you don't.
He's indoctrinated you.
You know what mitch tried to do after the ban?
He turned my own friends agaisnt me.
MysticJoJo - Today at 7:07 PM
Look, either you or Mitch brought Doc up.  Either you're reporting to him what goes on in here or he just happened to bring up a random guy that he'd only know through the occasional DA post and it just happened to be right after he was tempbanned.
And in the case of the former, I know what you're about to say.
You're going to brush it off as random conversation you were having with mitch.
"So, some guy got banned from the discord."
VP - Today at 7:09 PM
I hadn't even been talking with Mitch. I literally was just sighing over the fact that the people who apparently don't hold a grudge over here keep taking the time to talk bad about Mitch
MysticJoJo - Today at 7:09 PM
And then Mitch told you to get ahold of the Doc and send him to him, and you didn't think anything of it even though it's an obvious red flag.
Sedra - Today at 7:09 PM
Mitch worked actively against me and my best friend
Wow that's even worse
You don't talk to him until it's to indoctrinate someone
MysticJoJo - Today at 7:09 PM
Denying Mitch's behavior that you were present for isn't doing you any favors, VP.
VP - Today at 7:10 PM
Your assuming Sedra. And what am I denying?
All I know is Mitch wanted to talk to Doc
MysticJoJo - Today at 7:10 PM
No, we're not assuming.
Again, we're inferring.
Sedra - Today at 7:10 PM
Can we please wrap this up? @_@
VP - Today at 7:10 PM
I've already asked repeatedly to get on with it
But it doesn't look like anyone wants to do that
metalspiral - Today at 7:11 PM
Am I understanding this correctly? You told Mitch that Doc was kicked for bad conduct, then he told you to refer him to him, even though you know he did some nasty stuff to Joey?
VP - Today at 7:11 PM
See, this is where we come at things at different angles
MysticJoJo - Today at 7:11 PM
What you're denying is that Mitch is a greasy wannabe-despot who's spent the last three years plotting to take whatever he can from me out of a petty grudge.
VP - Today at 7:11 PM
I think Mitch, while he did not handle things perfectly, wasn't as bad as you say he was. Likewise, I think that you guys over here could have handled things better too.
And no, he has LEFT MSF HIGH
Just to make it clear
HE LEFT IT
Sedra - Today at 7:11 PM
No, Mitch was every bit as bad as Joey said he was
VP - Today at 7:11 PM
HE DOES NOT PLAY IT
MysticJoJo - Today at 7:12 PM
Ha, no.
VP - Today at 7:12 PM
HE DOES NOT TALK ABOUT IT
THE FORUM PLAYS A DIFFERENT GAME ENTIRELY
metalspiral - Today at 7:12 PM
VP seems ignorant about what happened, then.
VP - Today at 7:12 PM
Maybe
MysticJoJo - Today at 7:12 PM
He only didn't play it anymore because I took the rules down until I saw that his shitty forum had established a different ruleset and setting.
VP - Today at 7:12 PM
But when I see Wraith being a jerk to a guy who I haven't seen quite as much jerkiness from, its hard to see it any other way
Literally no one wanted to play MSF
MysticJoJo - Today at 7:12 PM
His final conversation with me was him laughing at me believing that he was my friend and telling me that he only ever pretended to be my friend so that he could take advantage of me.
VP - Today at 7:12 PM
After what had happened, no one wanted to THINK about MSF
Any ideas of doing such were quickly abandoned
And I highly doubt that
Sedra - Today at 7:13 PM
Mitch tried to ruin my life even after i blocked him
metalspiral - Today at 7:13 PM
You don't want to think about MSFH, but you're here.
Azura - Today at 7:13 PM
Wraith cried on that day...
MysticJoJo - Today at 7:13 PM
And yet you're going along with him when he asks you to recruit on his behalf.  That's ludicrous.
Sedra - Today at 7:13 PM
He did :C
VP - Today at 7:13 PM
Speaking of block
*blocking
How about you get to banning me
Cause this is going to go nowhere
Azura - Today at 7:14 PM
Wraith's not lying..
Sedra - Today at 7:14 PM
Yes please!
Done.
MysticJoJo - Today at 7:14 PM
Oh...
Sedra - Today at 7:14 PM
I'm sorry, guys.
metalspiral - Today at 7:14 PM
Ah...
MysticJoJo - Today at 7:14 PM
I should've gone ahead and told you, Sedra.
I had some more shit I wanted to say.
Sedra - Today at 7:14 PM
Sorry...
MysticJoJo - Today at 7:15 PM
I already knew that he was copying everything in the chat and sending it to Mitch, so I just wanted him to know that his attempts to take me down didn't get anywhere.
metalspiral - Today at 7:15 PM
hmm
Sedra - Today at 7:15 PM
Ally got upset
I don't want ally to be upset