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  1. (8:50:11 PM) Tin Ming: Hi. I'm Prince, and I can help you out with the updated version of LP.
  2. (8:50:49 PM) Snakebyte42: Why would I need your help?
  3. (8:51:19 PM) Snakebyte42: And who said there was going to be an updated version?
  4. (8:51:50 PM) Tin Ming: Didn't you said that you need help in the Pokedex entries? Oh, and you said that you will release an updated version in the LP thread.
  5. (8:52:13 PM) Snakebyte42: No, I said I wasn't doing the pokedex entries, and that certain features would be in an updated version if I needed to release one.
  6. (8:52:30 PM) Tin Ming: Oh, and Ash said that he will help us in inserting 4th to 5th Gen PKMN cries.
  7. (8:52:41 PM) Snakebyte42: 'Us'?
  8. (8:52:44 PM) Snakebyte42: There is no us.
  9. (8:52:48 PM) Tin Ming: Me and you.
  10. (8:52:51 PM) Snakebyte42: I'm not doing this and I'm not working with you.
  11. (8:52:56 PM) Tin Ming: Simple as that.
  12. (8:53:01 PM) Snakebyte42: And you do not have permission to edit my translation.
  13. (8:53:03 PM) Snakebyte42: Simple as that.
  14. (8:53:05 PM) Tin Ming: Why not?
  15. (8:53:12 PM) Tin Ming: I can make it better.
  16. (8:53:23 PM) Tin Ming: For example, SBP's town names are really good.
  17. (8:53:32 PM) Snakebyte42: Because I don't like you, and because it's not yours to make better.
  18. (8:53:42 PM) Tin Ming: I can use them and insert them in your translation.
  19. (8:53:54 PM) Snakebyte42: Except you won't, because you don't have my permission.
  20. (8:54:13 PM) Tin Ming: Look, if we actually work together, I'm sure that we can make this translation better.
  21. (8:54:19 PM) Snakebyte42: But we're not going to work together.
  22. (8:54:26 PM) Snakebyte42: Because I beat you.
  23. (8:54:28 PM) Snakebyte42: Plain and simple.
  24. (8:54:32 PM) Tin Ming: No, you didn't.
  25. (8:54:50 PM) Snakebyte42: Then where is your translation? :O
  26. (8:54:58 PM) Tin Ming: Just before I was banned, I quit the translation.
  27. (8:55:02 PM) Snakebyte42: And where is the two months you said it would take me to release mine? :O
  28. (8:55:10 PM) Tin Ming: I know that you can do better.
  29. (8:55:18 PM) Tin Ming: So, I stopped it, and let you finish it.
  30. (8:55:31 PM) Snakebyte42: You didn't 'let' me do anything.
  31. (8:55:34 PM) Snakebyte42: I demolished you.
  32. (8:56:10 PM) Tin Ming: There is no competition, no race, and no demolishing going around.
  33. (8:56:16 PM) Snakebyte42: Right.
  34. (8:56:20 PM) Snakebyte42: Because it's over, and I won.
  35. (8:56:35 PM) Tin Ming: C'mon. Just stop saying that it is race.
  36. (8:56:45 PM) Snakebyte42: Nah.
  37. (8:56:52 PM) Tin Ming: I know that I was really stupid back then.
  38. (8:56:56 PM) Snakebyte42: You wouldn't. Why should I?
  39. (8:57:25 PM) Tin Ming: I should have chosen to work with you back when you said that you were starting on a new translation.
  40. (8:57:39 PM) Snakebyte42: I would have said no then too.
  41. (8:57:44 PM) Snakebyte42: The choice was and is not yours.
  42. (8:57:58 PM) Tin Ming: Your version doesn't have the black screen issue.
  43. (8:58:03 PM) Tin Ming: My version does.
  44. (8:58:19 PM) Tin Ming: So, it would be pointless to keep working on my version.
  45. (8:58:44 PM) Snakebyte42: Quite.
  46. (8:59:58 PM) Snakebyte42: One question.
  47. (9:00:22 PM) Snakebyte42: What program did you use to edit pokedex entries/evolutions/etc?
  48. (9:00:56 PM) Snakebyte42: I'm not asking because I want to use it, I'm asking because I think I know what caused the black screen thing.
  49. (9:01:04 PM) Tin Ming: I looked at the LP thread, and your Bugs list included not having the right Pokedex entries and not having the correct cries as "bugs". Now, are bugs supposed to be fixed? Snake, just let me help you fix up your version. I'm sure that it will turn out good.
  50. (9:01:16 PM) Tin Ming: Oh, and what caused the black screen error?
  51. (9:01:33 PM) Snakebyte42: My current thought process is that it was YAPE. If you didn't use YAPE, I guess it wasn't.
  52. (9:01:57 PM) Tin Ming: I used other programs other than YAPE.
  53. (9:02:13 PM) Snakebyte42: Okay.
  54. (9:02:46 PM) Snakebyte42: I don't know, then. All I know is I ran into it, and restarted, and it didn't recur. I'm just going to blame script errors on your part (and before I fixed it my part) then.
  55. (9:03:13 PM) Tin Ming: Currently, I'm doing decapitalization and I have added a' new Verdart Town (Yellow Town) healing script.
  56. (9:03:28 PM) Snakebyte42: No, no, let's be clear.
  57. (9:03:37 PM) Snakebyte42: You do not, under any circumstances, have permission to edit my translation.
  58. (9:03:53 PM) Tin Ming: Oh, c'mon, don't be like this.
  59. (9:04:00 PM) Snakebyte42: You lost.
  60. (9:04:01 PM) Snakebyte42: Deal with it.
  61. (9:04:06 PM) Snakebyte42: Perhaps, next time, suck less?
  62. (9:04:25 PM) Tin Ming: Lost?
  63. (9:04:29 PM) Snakebyte42: Lost.
  64. (9:04:35 PM) Tin Ming: I quit halfway through.
  65. (9:04:43 PM) Snakebyte42: That's your story and you're sticking to it, eh?
  66. (9:04:59 PM) Tin Ming: No, it's about making your version better.
  67. (9:05:22 PM) Snakebyte42: You editing it? Not better. By definition.
  68. (9:05:30 PM) Snakebyte42: It is better because it has nothing to do with you. ^_^
  69. (9:06:00 PM) Tin Ming: I do backups, really. And I wouldn't do unnecessary edits.
  70. (9:06:13 PM) Snakebyte42: How many times do I have to say no?
  71. (9:06:19 PM) Tin Ming: I didn't follow the two things above before.
  72. (9:06:22 PM) Tin Ming: I do now.
  73. (9:06:35 PM) Snakebyte42: The only reason I did anything was because of how much I disagreed with your edits.
  74. (9:06:40 PM) Snakebyte42: I will not have you sully my work.
  75. (9:07:17 PM) Tin Ming: Don't reject me, please. I really want to help you. Ask the forums about it. They will agree that we should help each other.
  76. (9:07:21 PM) Snakebyte42: I accomplished in three weeks what you did half of in... how many months?
  77. (9:07:26 PM) Snakebyte42: I don't care about the forums. o_o
  78. (9:07:28 PM) Snakebyte42: I did the work.
  79. (9:07:45 PM) Tin Ming: I know, so it's my turn to help you.
  80. (9:07:54 PM) Snakebyte42: It wouldn't help, and I don't want it. ^_^
  81. (9:08:08 PM) Tin Ming: I did mine in about 2 months.
  82. (9:08:16 PM) Snakebyte42: Half of it.
  83. (9:08:20 PM) Tin Ming: Because I was wasting time in unnecessary edits.
  84. (9:08:58 PM) Tin Ming: Oh, and Snake, it would help a lot if I helped you.
  85. (9:09:12 PM) Tin Ming: Really.
  86. (9:09:13 PM) Snakebyte42: That sentence doesn't even contain any information.
  87. (9:09:20 PM) Tin Ming: No unnecessary edits.
  88. (9:09:33 PM) Snakebyte42: I'm not planning on releasing an update unless someone finds something gamebreaking that I missed.
  89. (9:09:53 PM) Snakebyte42: Things like place names and cries are WESLEY'S to update.
  90. (9:10:44 PM) Tin Ming: Err... bad place names, cries and unedited Pokedex entries are all oddities that we should fix.
  91. (9:10:55 PM) Tin Ming: I got a couple of town names.
  92. (9:11:01 PM) Tin Ming: Gimme a sec...
  93. (9:11:05 PM) Snakebyte42: Aside from the two script errors and two text errors I missed, the only thing that needs changing is the healing script in yellow town.
  94. (9:11:10 PM) Snakebyte42: The place names are not 'bad'.
  95. (9:11:18 PM) Snakebyte42: They are what Wesley chose to name them and aren't yours to change.
  96. (9:11:25 PM) Snakebyte42: I already told Wesley I would not be changing them,
  97. (9:11:39 PM) Tin Ming: Really? SBP said that they sucked. He has better ones.
  98. (9:11:59 PM) Snakebyte42: Then he can PM Wesley and tell him, and Wesley can update the portuguese version, and I can update the english version.
  99. (9:12:02 PM) Snakebyte42: Otherwise? Not happening.
  100. (9:12:26 PM) Tin Ming: Some town names doesn't even make sense.
  101. (9:12:31 PM) Snakebyte42: Oh well.
  102. (9:12:39 PM) Snakebyte42: Not yours to change.
  103. (9:12:46 PM) Snakebyte42: You're not even a translator anymore. ;)
  104. (9:13:23 PM) Tin Ming: I quit, but that doesn't mean that the permission I used to have is gone.
  105. (9:13:53 PM) Snakebyte42: I would argue that it does. People usually lose access to offices when they quit their jobs.
  106. (9:15:49 PM) Tin Ming: I stopped mine in order to make version better.
  107. (9:15:58 PM) Tin Ming: Make your version better.
  108. (9:16:08 PM) Snakebyte42: You and I have different ideas of what 'better' means.
  109. (9:16:15 PM) Snakebyte42: I believe my version is best the way it is.
  110. (9:16:32 PM) Tin Ming: No, it isn't. Some bugs still exist.
  111. (9:16:40 PM) Tin Ming: We have to delete them.
  112. (9:16:45 PM) Snakebyte42: There is no 'we'.
  113. (9:16:49 PM) Tin Ming: There is.
  114. (9:16:50 PM) Snakebyte42: I will fix what I decide to fix.
  115. (9:16:53 PM) Snakebyte42: I am not working with you.
  116. (9:16:56 PM) Snakebyte42: I will never work with you.
  117. (9:17:09 PM) Tin Ming: Don't be like that.
  118. (9:17:20 PM) Tin Ming: I don't understand why you're like that.
  119. (9:17:23 PM) Tin Ming: Why?
  120. (9:18:35 PM) Snakebyte42: I don't like you. Your attitude towards Wesley's work, your attitude in general, is completely unacceptable. It is not your place to judge and edit these things, or to try to assume as much control as you did. The sole reason I translated Light Platinum was because so many people disagreed with what you were doing. The support I was offered was ridiculous.
  121. (9:19:38 PM) Tin Ming: Except for the relationships and the Ash part, people actually liked my other edits.
  122. (9:19:53 PM) Snakebyte42: No, they didn't. You're just way too stubborn to see that.
  123. (9:20:01 PM) Tin Ming: How?
  124. (9:20:12 PM) Snakebyte42: And even if they did, most of them weren't your edits to make, because it wasn't YOUR HACK.
  125. (9:20:27 PM) Snakebyte42: I'll give you that I probably could have changed the pokedex entries.
  126. (9:20:37 PM) Tin Ming: And cries.
  127. (9:20:38 PM) Snakebyte42: In fact, if I ever do need to update it, I'll probably stick that in there too.
  128. (9:20:44 PM) Snakebyte42: No, I really don't give a damn about cries.
  129. (9:21:07 PM) Tin Ming: I know, but it was listed in your Bugs section, and bugs are supposed to be erased.
  130. (9:21:14 PM) Snakebyte42: Changing text falls under the purview of translation.
  131. (9:21:43 PM) Snakebyte42: Adding sound files does not. If Wesley wanted it done, he could have. Cries aren't intrinsic to english.
  132. (9:21:53 PM) Snakebyte42: I added it under 'bugs' only so that people didn't repeatedly tell me that it wasn't there.
  133. (9:22:01 PM) Tin Ming: I know.
  134. (9:22:06 PM) Snakebyte42: I can make a new section entitled Things I'm Not Going To Do, if that makes you feel better.
  135. (9:22:13 PM) Tin Ming: But bugs are bugs.
  136. (9:22:21 PM) Snakebyte42: They're not bugs.
  137. (9:22:24 PM) Snakebyte42: They're missing features.
  138. (9:22:25 PM) Tin Ming: You can't deny that.
  139. (9:22:31 PM) Snakebyte42: I can deny that THOSE are bugs.
  140. (9:22:37 PM) Snakebyte42: See? I just did!
  141. (9:22:51 PM) Tin Ming: Missing features? Oh, that's right. It's up to either me or you to do that.
  142. (9:22:55 PM) Snakebyte42: No.
  143. (9:22:57 PM) Snakebyte42: It's up to me.
  144. (9:23:00 PM) Snakebyte42: Because it's my version.
  145. (9:23:02 PM) Snakebyte42: And you're not touching it.
  146. (9:23:05 PM) Tin Ming: Or both of us.
  147. (9:23:07 PM) Snakebyte42: And I'm not doing it.
  148. (9:23:08 PM) Snakebyte42: Or no.
  149. (9:23:13 PM) Snakebyte42: That's not happening, ever.
  150. (9:23:16 PM) Tin Ming: I already touched it.
  151. (9:23:28 PM) Snakebyte42: Then I'll get it deleted every time you try to post it on PC. o_o
  152. (9:24:11 PM) Tin Ming: Hmm... why can't you just stop being so stubborn? I only want to help you.
  153. (9:24:22 PM) Snakebyte42: Because I don't consider that help.
  154. (9:24:32 PM) Snakebyte42: And you're not touching my version.
  155. (9:24:47 PM) Snakebyte42: Most of those things are the way they are because you were going to do them. o_o
  156. (9:25:39 PM) Snakebyte42: If you wanted things your way, and you wanted your precious internet fame, you shouldn't have lost, and you shouldn't have gotten yourself banned twice.
  157. (9:25:59 PM) Tin Ming: Oh, I'm only going to fix up cries, Pokedex entries, certain names (Diamond ---> Lucas, Kenta ----> Ethan, etc.) That's not a lot, isn't it?
  158. (9:26:03 PM) Snakebyte42: It's nothing.
  159. (9:26:05 PM) Snakebyte42: It's not happening.
  160. (9:26:11 PM) Snakebyte42: You do not have my permission.
  161. (9:26:25 PM) Tin Ming: Then I request for your permission.
  162. (9:26:44 PM) Snakebyte42: Denied.
  163. (9:27:35 PM) Tin Ming: I don't want fame. I don't need it. It's worthless. I only need permission from an amazing translation - you.
  164. (9:27:40 PM) Snakebyte42: DENIED.
  165. (9:28:54 PM) Tin Ming: There are other things to be fixed. For example, the rivals are supposed to have rival music, and the leaders are supposed to have leader music, etc. Those are bugs too, right?
  166. (9:29:21 PM) Tin Ming: Or rather, oddities.
  167. (9:29:30 PM) Tin Ming: Still, they need to be fixed.
  168. (9:29:31 PM) Snakebyte42: You do not have permission to make any edits to my translation. Nothing you say will change this.
  169. (9:30:14 PM) Tin Ming: I still don't get why.
  170. (9:30:37 PM) Snakebyte42: I've explained plenty of times.
  171. (9:30:43 PM) Snakebyte42: Not really my problem if you don't get it by now.
  172. (9:31:29 PM) Tin Ming: Those are excuses. There is no possible way that you do not want to receive free help that can save your time.
  173. (9:31:41 PM) Snakebyte42: There is, in fact.
  174. (9:31:43 PM) Snakebyte42: I don't.
  175. (9:31:55 PM) Snakebyte42: I guess there's a possible way, isn't there.
  176. (9:32:13 PM) Tin Ming: Yes.
  177. (9:32:42 PM) Snakebyte42: Then you probably shouldn't make absolute statements that you don't know enough to make, should you? :o
  178. (9:33:13 PM) Tin Ming: Yes, I suppose.
  179. (9:33:56 PM) Tin Ming: However, I just find it funny that you don't like help from me.
  180. (9:34:07 PM) Tin Ming: If it's just fixing bugs and stuff related to that.
  181. (9:34:22 PM) Snakebyte42: Okay. Laugh all you like. You're still not making any changes to my version.
  182. (9:34:23 PM) Tin Ming: And oddities.
  183. (9:35:25 PM) Tin Ming: Oh, I'm sure that you would like it if I only edited the bugs and oddities. (If possible, text errors)
  184. (9:35:31 PM) Snakebyte42: You're wrong.
  185. (9:35:32 PM) Tin Ming: Everyone would like it.
  186. (9:35:45 PM) Snakebyte42: You do not have my permission to make any edits to my version whatsoever.
  187. (9:36:05 PM) Tin Ming: Even if they're bugs?
  188. (9:36:12 PM) Snakebyte42: No edits. At all.
  189. (9:36:18 PM) Snakebyte42: This work is mine and mine alone.
  190. (9:36:32 PM) Snakebyte42: (...except for, of course, the people who helped me along the way.)
  191. (9:36:36 PM) Snakebyte42: The point being, it is not yours.
  192. (9:36:52 PM) Tin Ming: Everybody knows that bugs are not good.
  193. (9:36:58 PM) Snakebyte42: True.
  194. (9:37:00 PM) Snakebyte42: But you're worse. :)
  195. (9:37:28 PM) Tin Ming: Have you not realized that your attitude is the same as Sarcastic Prince?
  196. (9:37:44 PM) Snakebyte42: The difference is, I'm winning. :)
  197. (9:37:45 PM) Tin Ming: I'm not Sarcastic Prince any more.
  198. (9:37:54 PM) Tin Ming: I've changed.
  199. (9:38:02 PM) Tin Ming: In a month's time.
  200. (9:38:04 PM) Snakebyte42: Oh. Should I be addressing you with a feminine pronoun, polite princess?
  201. (9:38:16 PM) Tin Ming: That was my sis.
  202. (9:38:22 PM) Tin Ming: Not me.
  203. (9:38:28 PM) Tin Ming: Different people.
  204. (9:38:33 PM) Snakebyte42: Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure.
  205. (9:38:54 PM) Snakebyte42: And I'm an anthropomorphic mayan snake deity bent on devouring the world.
  206. (9:39:12 PM) Snakebyte42: Fear my wrath, mortals.
  207. (9:39:18 PM) Snakebyte42: The eight-fanged death is upon you.
  208. (9:39:21 PM) Tin Ming: (Shiver)
  209. (9:39:49 PM) Tin Ming: Great, great, I still don't have my permission.
  210. (9:40:03 PM) Snakebyte42: Correct. And you never will.
  211. (9:40:15 PM) Tin Ming: Let's see about that.
  212. (9:40:26 PM) Tin Ming: Can we make a deal?
  213. (9:40:28 PM) Snakebyte42: No.
  214. (9:41:14 PM) Tin Ming: Let's see if you will change your mind if I released somewhere else.
  215. (9:41:26 PM) Snakebyte42: I won't. o_o
  216. (9:41:42 PM) Tin Ming: Oh, you will. You'll see.
  217. (9:41:59 PM) Snakebyte42: You do not have permission to make edits to my translation. No matter what.
  218. (9:42:07 PM) Snakebyte42: If you do, I'll do everything I can to stop you. o_o
  219. (9:42:40 PM) Tin Ming: さようなら。It was nice talking to you. Good luck on stopping me.
  220. (9:42:44 PM) Snakebyte42: Don't try to tell me what I will and will not do.
  221. (9:42:49 PM) Snakebyte42: Thanks! I won't need it. :D
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