Compassion, conspiracy theories, ethical duties, veganism, life

gotnohope
KILL M3
gotnohope
im trapped kill me
roygbiv
dwayne do you want to talk about it?
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has anybody bothered to help dwayne?
roygbiv
or is he like wallpaper to you
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gotnohope: I just saw this cute black kitten on a nearby roof.
roygbiv
he needs to call a therapy hotline
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They seemed to be exploring and having fun.
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roygbiv: Stand by for response on dwayne.
maggie
DrNoGood
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roygbiv: dwayne has repeatedly share various conspiracy theories, which is a crime against humanity.
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Most/all of these conspiracy theories are in the interests of wealthy elites who are destroying our world for their short-term gain, or white supremacy.
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This has caused dwayne to be banned from The Community.
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All Community services are forbidden for dwayne.
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If dwayne were dying, I would literally do nothing to help him.
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Spreading conspiracies makes you guilty of stochastic murder.
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Stochastic murder is not a defined concept for dumb people, but it is for smart people.
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dwayne 2020 Nov 6 15:17 IRC - EFnet
gotnohope
kill me
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Dumb people, further, evaluate risk and moral severity by their evolutionary-programmed intuitions.
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This is obsolete.
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It might feel bad to see a dog getting beaten by a hammer. It might feel to see an innocent person murder with a handgun.
gotnohope
drgood just put the knife in the base of my neck please and twist
infspire
Spreading conspiracy theories on IRC is far more serious than these things, but it doesn't feel that way.
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That's because, for the typical human, they're not equipped to live in the civilizations we've built.
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How does one reprogram themselves so that their moral intuitions and feelings match true moral severity?
roygbiv
i care dwayne ive been there
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Learn to accurately assess true moral severity through a combination of mental control, philosophy, social sciences, and statistical analysis.
roygbiv
you got to live for your family dwayne
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It's quite conceivable the world would be better off if dwayne died.
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Given their persistent spreading of conspiracy theories in service of white supremacy.
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Which is currently an international scourage.
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Also, they have repeatedly spread conspiracy theories on climate change.
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Climate change is currently on track to extinct our species.
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I encourage you to kill yourself, dwayne, given your climate change conspiracy theories.
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We'll have a better chance, as a species, to make it, without you as you're currently composed.
roygbiv
dwayne would you like a hotline number to call and talk to somebody about it?
maggie
whenever gain gets suicidal he makes me horny and i want to fuck him so badly
resident-
Anybody here looking to EFNet #philosophy for comfort and emotional support.
maggie
is that weird of me?
maggie
dwayne
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maggie: One of the effects of this impulse of yourself is that I've blocked you indefinitely.
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resident-: It makes sense that humans would look for support wherever they go.
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Do you know how many humans will die this year from climate change?
roygbiv
dwayne your birthday is coming up right? you got to make it to your birthday
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I think the number is already in the hundreds of thousand per year.
roygbiv
because i believe in ya buddy
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roygbiv: Not all beings can simultaneously inhabit this Earth.
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I think the primary sources of climate-change induced death are from heat, extreme weather events, and destabilization effects on human civilization.
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For example, the Syrian Civil War is 30-60% due to climate change.
resident-
infspire: Only somewhat.  Humans go to a variety of places and for a variety of reasons.  I go to a steak restaurant for a steak, not for art supplies.
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resident-: Your need for art supplies probably doesn't modify your cognitive state as much as emotions do.
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infspire: That is an intelligent response to an irrelevant point made by no one.
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When you're at a cow-murdering restaurant, you probably can't control your art supply impulses, and recognize art supplies are not present at that location.
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However, if you are feeling strong emotions, you will not be able to control them, and you won't think rationally about where to get help.
resident- takes notes.
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Further, the solution to emotional problems is potentially anywhere there are other minds -- which is not true for art supplies.
BiosLogos
COW MURDER
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In these ways, your counterexample was flawed.
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BiosLogos: Why does that phrase stand out to you?
resident-
Or... a non-moron who spends decades here understands what can be found here.  Even in the most desperate of times.
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resident-: A person who is doing rational analysis.
BiosLogos
I dunno why but it seems funny to me.
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Intense emotions render us at varying levels of irrational.
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BiosLogos: It's because you were born into and continue to lie in a Holocaust society.
resident-
Decades.
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And it's funny to you to see those dumb Jews getting burned alive, because nobody complains.
BiosLogos
I'm having chicken wings so I guess that'd be...
BiosLogos
A MURDER MOST FOWL
BiosLogos
#dadjokes
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BiosLogos: I'll put you on block for five days for your impulsive needs to blurt out which animals you're murdering as part of discussing your responses to somebody pointing out animal murder in another otherwise mundane context.
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Which you're not ready for, similar to the typical human.
resident-
Just stop trying to be right about a dumb point and ponder that for a moment.  I submit that if one comes here after decades crying for help, that's not an irrational decision.  It's just another calculated attempt for attention.
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Your cognitive experience is identical if you were a white slaveowner in Mississippi 1835 and somebody, during a conversation about emotions, mentioned the possibility of people with black skin going to college.
resident-
It's not as if we don't have plenty of precedent here.
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If IRC existed at that time, you would have typed BLACKS GOING TO COLLEGE
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And you would have said, "I dunno, man, it just seems funny to me."
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And then while I was constructing my next response, you'd blurt out, "I just got finished beating Tyrone."
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And then you'd type #justsouthernthings
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You would be sure you were being very clever, because you'd be evaluating yourself against norms of societies you were born into, rather than philosophically-derived notions of philosophy.
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And, since you'd hadn't lived a life -- up to that point -- of being thoughtful and questioning foundational practices of your society, you'd find the entire analysis of my pushing back against your laughing about people with black skin going to college is hyperbolic, you'd shrug it off, learn nothing, conclude I'm an idiot -- as I don't even get norms everybody you meet understands -- and go about your life quite co
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ntent everything was just a-ok.
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philosophically-derived notions of justice*

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BiosLogos: I have a further thought on our above interaction.
roygbiv
yea grapenuts
roygbiv
im just going to go for a long walk and think about dinner
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BiosLogos: There are currently about 7.8 billion human beings on the planet.
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BiosLogos: Humans are just 0.01% of the biomass on Earth.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIBv2GEnXlc

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https://ourworldindata.org/life-on-earth
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99.99% of life on Earth, by biomass, BiosLogos, isn't our species.
kyonko|2
wanna see my VAGENIS
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Almost all life on Earth isn't human, BiosLogos.
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BiosLogos: You've included the bios- prefix to your nick, BiosLogos, because you presumably care about some lifeforms, at least, if only in the context of the Christian grand narrative.
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Celebrating 0.01% of life, conceptualizing it as a divine, and discarding 99.99% of life on Earth, BiosLogos, is no celebration of life.
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I hope that you can see that.
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"We need another and a wiser and perhaps a more mystical concept of animals. Remote from universal nature, and living by complicated artifice, man in civilization surveys the creature through the glass of his knowledge and sees thereby a feather magnified and the whole image in distortion. We patronize them for their incompleteness, for their tragic fate of having taken form so far below ourselves. And therein we err
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, and greatly err. For the animal shall not be measured by man. In a world older and more complete than ours they moved finished and complete, gifted with extensions of the senses we have lost or never attained, living by voices we shall never hear. They are not brethren, they are not underlings; they are other nations, caught with ourselves in the net of life and time, fellow prisoners of the splendour and travail o
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f the earth."
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You have the power, with your kin, BiosLogos to kill most non-humans without reprisal.
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Swayze
i got your turtle right here >x< <---
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Some humans, like Donald Trump, the illegally acting DHS secretary, Vladimir Putin, etc. have the power to kill you, BiosLogos, with perhaps acceptable reprisal.
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In both cases, that killing is wrong.
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Non-humans, like yourself, BiosLogos, would very much like to live.
Swayze
let me in a room with you and i have the power to kill you as well
Swayze
thats no big deal
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You do not have sufficient power to control all dynamics on Earth, BiosLogos, but you can control your dynamics.
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When you intentionally provide such limitations on yourself, BiosLogos, due to the above argument, you're ensuring all life that reaches your level of mindfulness while behave as you do.
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You are ensuring the universe can become a world that escapes the suffering dynamics of evolutionary life from its inception to your level of mindfulness.
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That is, per this categorical imperative, you alter the entire universe acausally, which should sound a lot like what Christianity teaches about acting in accordance with God.
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You don't need to change your eating habits over night, BiosLogos -- it's hard.
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Just try and remember that the animals we eat experience tremendous suffering compared to what we experience and they don't need our laughter, they need our compassion.
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Let's show them -- and this entire universe -- what our species, and thereby the entire evolutionary project -- is capable of.
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God bless you, BiosLogos.