Alomomola Conversation With Sweep

Piexplode: :( rejecting alomomola :(
@Sweep: rip
Piexplode: but I swear it puts in work vs
Piexplode: every archetype to some extent
Piexplode: vs HO u can mirror coat off vs a special attacker or at worst fodder it for wishes
Piexplode: vs balance u can wish on top off like lando-t really easily and spread toxic around
Piexplode: vs stall the wish support is obviously immense
Piexplode: also note that
Piexplode: with respect ot being
Piexplode: 'set up bait for geoxern'
Piexplode: as fireburn said
Piexplode: whilst it does allow it to geo
Piexplode: it can wish as it geos without any real issue
Piexplode: and then pass on to like ho-ohheatranpoisonceus whatever u have for xern
Piexplode: and they essentially get in safely
Piexplode: >.>
@Sweep: true but you'd better hope your opponent doesn't have sub xern
@Sweep: or predict your switch
Piexplode: then I guess I could put in team options to pair it wtih
Piexplode: something that doesn't mind sub xern
Piexplode: alomomola+heatran is actually amazing
Piexplode: apart from the fact that tran also soaks up toxics
Piexplode: it can roar xern very easily
Piexplode: [I run chople]
Piexplode: and chople also loves the wish support in return
@Sweep: here's my problem with mirror coat
@Sweep: 252+ SpA Kyogre Thunder vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Alomomola: 548-646 (102.6 - 120.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
@Sweep: any super effective special attacks in the tier will bring mola to its knees
Piexplode: it's only weak to 2 types
Piexplode: and mirror coat is mainly for
Piexplode: mewtwo
Piexplode: I literally didn't say it used it to beat anything else
Piexplode: psystrike does like 33-40%
Piexplode: so regen/wish range
Piexplode: and stall has terribly few answers to stalltwo
Piexplode: that was actually the initial reason it was created, not blaziken
@Sweep: i see
Piexplode: and grass knot mewtwo is like hardly seen on 1 in 100 mewtwos
@Sweep: grass knto doesn't kill anyway
Piexplode: true 60 BP
@Sweep: i understand mola can beat mewtwo
Piexplode: so I don't see what the issue is when you compress
Piexplode: beating mewtwo +
Piexplode: checking heavily blaziken
Piexplode: +wish passing
Piexplode: + obviously that thing I said about wish passing to the xern check could be applicable in a few other situations
@Sweep: it can't deal with any other special attacker reliably and is incredibly weak to all substitute users
Piexplode: I think
Piexplode: it's not meant to deal with special attackers bar mewtwo
@Sweep: and lum arceus/groudon can sorta set up on it :(
@Sweep: zekrom beats it
Piexplode: and xerneas is the prime example ofa sub user
@Sweep: you're right that it checks blaze
Piexplode: yeah but usually you'd carry like a grass type in paired with it
Piexplode: like arceus-grass
@Sweep: subcm arceus are still around (see arceus dark, hack used it in spl)
Piexplode: which beats all of those bar ekiller and checks kyogre for good measure
Piexplode: true
Piexplode: ... although I run perish song grassceus n_n
Piexplode: so I think that really
Piexplode: it does compress a lot or roles but it also presents a lot of weaknesses
Piexplode: but isn't the point of stall generally that you have pokemon that open up weaknesses but other pokemon that close them?
@Sweep: yes but alomo simply does not close enough weaknesses in its own right. it can sort of switch in on mewtwo but needs to be at full health if SR is out on the field
@Sweep: granted regen helps
@Sweep: with that
Piexplode: regen helps a ton with that and wish does too
Piexplode: given that this is also the sort of offensive team that's unlikely to have anything else
Piexplode: that mola is gonna switch in on
Piexplode: the idea of it being at full health or with SR damage isn't unreasonable imo
Piexplode: it only faces issue when blaziken + mewtwo, one of them being non mega (probably mewtwo) which is a build I haven't seen at least for months this gen but I guess is theoretically an issue
@Sweep: bottom line is that it's way too weak to many of the game's top threats imo (xerneas/yveltal/kyogre/sub Ho-Oh/Darkrai/Dialga/Palkia) and only effectively checks a few pokemon (most mewtwo/blaze/support ground types though they still get SR up easily on it)
@Sweep: it isn't terrible by any means
Piexplode: I'm not sure (non-thunder) dialga should be on that list
Piexplode: yveltal agreed, xern we spoke about, kyogre stall always has a hard coutner to it cos specsogre
@Sweep: and certainly can put in work vs the right teams, i just don't feel it checks enough to fit on competitive builds. night :o! (draco meteor does a ton, as much as thunder really 210 vs. 220)