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- here are all the notes i took while routing any% NMG after the discovery of remains escape or whatever it will be called in the future.
- EDIT (5/12/2022) dumping timings for the newer routes (with double GBT GIM) at the top here.
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- easier new route vs WR route
- milk trip +28
- twin islands superslide into ESS -1.3
- movement to ZC / TCS / PCS -27.6
- stick before WFT -2.8
- woods 2nd HESS -1.5
- woods grotto detour +40
- PF instead of PR +116
- snowhead temple (excluding song storage and goht fight) -82
- remains escapes comparison -47.2
- SHT song storage adjustment -1.5
- bomb shop trip -51.1
- flip stone tower -171.4
- chu crap -13.0
- death armos +2.6
- GBT GIMs detour +113.68
- GBT song storage adjustment -1.0
- dive up after gyorg -1.9
- soar to clock town +21.5
- enter clock tower +0.6
- overall (without pauses) = -80
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- FINAL TIMING CURRENT ROUTE VS THEORY ROUTE:
- current timeloss:
- cycle 3 bomb shop trip 50
- song storages + resets vs. remains escapes 47.16
- chu crap 13.2
- no action swap 13.9
- wizrobe 8.9
- ice stairs 0.5
- stt first room 0.4
- mirror room hovers 9.2
- garo master 0.2
- get on turtle 1 10.8
- get on turtle 2 12.6
- theory timeloss:
- hookshot detour 114.83
- extra soar to clock town 21.5
- bank clip 2.9
- grotto 2.3
- woods 2.3
- movement to hookshot 0.2
- clam hit 0.8
- wolfos hit 1.0
- 2nd highest floor +2.1
- bomb timestop 3.0
- slash a nejiron 2.1
- updraft room 0.4
- death armos 5.7
- bomb drop after GBT 2.9
- clock tower 4.5
- moon superslide 0.7
- total: less than a second in favor of theory lmao
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- intermediate route vs WR route comparison
- twin islands superslide into ESS -1.3
- woods 2nd hess -1.5
- hookshot detour +114.83
- action swap -12.6
- song storage -1.5
- to snowball bridge -3.5
- remains escapes comparison -47.2
- bomb shop trip -51.1
- stt 1st room +0.4
- nejiron room -5.0
- updraft room -1.6
- chu crap -13.0
- death armos +2.6
- TCS + PCS -27.6
- clock tower hovers +2.8
- soar +21.5
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- PF (late with bow) vs PF (early without bow) vs PR
- gain control at owl (human) to gain control outside in PF: 25.67
- gain control outside in PF to gain control inside in PF: 68.35
- gain control inside in PF to gain control in hive room: 28.09
- gain control in hive room to ocarina pull (zora): 49.27
- drink potion: 4.84
- PF (late with bow) total = 176.22
- gain control at grave (human) to gain control outside in PF: 26.46
- gain control outside in PF to gain control inside in PF: 68.35
- gain control inside in PF to gain control in hive room: 28.09
- to ocarina pull (zora): 67.95
- drink potion: 4.84
- faster woodfall adjustment: -8.41
- no zora hall early adjustment: 9.0
- skip a soar to great bay: -21.50
- early bottle adjustment: 16
- PF (early without bow) total = 190.78
- gain control at owl (human) to gain control in PR: 17.65
- gain control in PR to ocarina pull (zora): 42.05
- better dive adjustment: -1.5
- extra potion drinking time: 3.19
- PR total = 61.39
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- zora hall early or no (not counting around 1s to set zora hall map point)
- ZORA HALL EARLY
- gain control at grave to gain control in zora hall: 36.93
- gain control at zora cape owl to gain control in zora hall: 24.18
- total = 61.11
- NO ZORA HALL EARLY
- gain control at great bay owl to gain control in zora hall: 70.10
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- woodfall with vs without hookshot (no SoDT)
- WITH
- gain control in WFT to gain control on torch: 19.45
- WITHOUT
- gain control in WFT to gain control on torch: 27.86
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- bottle after song of soaring vs bottle after woodfall temple
- early bottle: 100.42
- late bottle: 72.41 + 12 for SoDT in WFT = 84.41
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- LA GIM VS LA skip vs garo master (ignoring explosive count differences)
- 1. enter stt, melt block, do gim, exit stt, flip with LA shot = 88.01
- -gain control at owl, get bombs&arrows, 1b timestop, gain control in stt: 31.80
- -gain control in stt to gain control in GIM room (no bomb): 7.93
- -gain control, GIM, then back through 1st room to gain control outside (no bomb): 45.18
- -gain control outside to flip stt with LA: 3.10
- -milk detour: ~45
- -woods shenanigans* detour: 57.5
- total = ~190.51
- 2. equip dupes, flip stt with spring water = <67
- -equip dupe instead of equip swap: ~10
- -gain control at owl (get bombs&arrows) to flip stt with spring water: <57
- 3. regular segment from owl to flip STT after garo master = ~168
- *woods shenanigans:
- drink potion [need to route in damage past here]
- equip swap bow over ocarina, bottle over bow
- get stick, nut, rupees
- exit grotto and woods
- catch spring water in bowbottle, ESS dupe over nuts, OI to soar
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- BREMEN VS OCA GIM (assuming LA skip) (timing this was unnecessary but i didn't know about equip dupe)
- 1.get bremen mask (1 bomb saved from guard recoil), no monkey text skip, carry mikau, get stick before wf, catch fairy and dupe bottle outside lab after pf: ~68.25
- a. get bremen mask = 35.24:
- -gain control outside bomb shop to enter grotto with bremen black screen: 1:03.38
- -day transition: 3.20
- -reading a sign to bring up the text: cancels out nopp suboptimal movement?
- = 66.58
- vs.
- -gain control outside bomb shop to gain control outside WCT: 16.68
- -gain control outside WCT to touching corner of ground texture: 5.98
- touching corner to enter grotto without bremen black screen: 8.68
- = 31.34
- b. no monkey text skip = ~10s?
- c. carry mikau = 5.01
- -shadow passes rock underwater to pull ocarina to play song of healing after SoDT: 25.79
- -same for carrying: 30.80
- d. get stick before WFT = ~3s
- e. catch fairy and dupe bottle outside lab = ~15s:
- -~5s round trip behind the lab
- -~10s dupe over bremen
- 2.detour to GIM ocarina before learning NWBN: obvious from bad video that this is faster than 68 seconds
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- Now obsolete intermediate route that resulted from this timing:
- 1st cycle - milk road and 60r
- ECT chest, buy bombs and chus
- 20b10c
- ISG from banker, withdraw rupees, hidden owl
- 19b0c
- refill chus with 2 for 1
- 19b20c
- recoil past guard
- 18b20c
- HESS to grotto
- 17b20c
- grotto [could put bomb hovers here]
- 13b15c
- palace hovers [could use or save 1 chu]
- 10b14c
- sonata, song of soaring
- mountain village bomb drop and superslide
- 14b14c
- twin islands
- 12b14c
- goron village
- 17b14c
- SoDT to night 1 for mikau CS skip
- superslide to zora cape
- 16b14c
- recoil into superswim to zora hall
- 15b14c
- get stick outside WFT
- SoDT to day 2 in WFT
- land on torch
- 13b14c
- dinolfos fight for bow
- pillar hovers
- 11b12c
- megas for bk skip
- 8b10c
- odolwa fight
- zora hess through swamp
- 7b10c
- hess to witch
- 6b10c
- hess back to other witch
- 5b10c
- recoil flip into superswim to PF
- 4b10c
- enter PF
- 1b10c
- shoot hive with bow from top floor
- get hookshot
- get hit by clam and get egg (0.5 damage)
- snowhead bomb drop, lullaby skip
- 5b10c
- action swap, icicle bomb drop
- 10b10c
- get hit by wolfos, melt ice (1 damage)
- hookshot up
- long jumps to wizrobe (1 damage)
- 8b10c
- wizrobe fight with broken stick
- hookshot up twice
- hovers + mega to snowball bridge
- 6b9c
- superslide past snowballs
- 5b9c
- cross the top level gap [could change this]
- 4b7c
- BK skip
- 3b7c
- goht fight
- ISoT remains escape
- 2b7c
- stone tower bomb drop, bomb timestop to enter STT
- 6b7c
- block clip into superswim to key
- 5b7c
- jump slash recoil superswim back
- weirdshot to nejiron bomb drop
- 9b7c
- weirdshot to fire chest (0.5 damage)
- 8b7c
- garo master fight - get hit twice (2 damage)
- death warp
- 7b7c
- flip STT
- ISTT long jump to death armos (0.5 damage)
- 6b7c
- get owned by death armos twice (2 damage)
- BK skip
- 3b3c
- twinmold fight on half a heart monkaS !!!!
- ISoT remains escape
- 2b3c
- nwbn - egg dupes over light arrow
- bomb drop, TCS with load zone
- 7b3c
- PCS with SoDT to night 2
- clip and recoil BK skip
- 5b3c
- weirdshot gyorg
- 4b3c
- gyorg fight (2.5 damage)
- ISoT remains escape
- 3b3c
- hover into clock tower
- 2b0c
- superslide to majora
- 1b0c
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- now obsolete expert route that resulted from this timing:
- 1st cycle - milk road and try for 90r
- [- oca -]
- ECT chest if needed, buy bombs and chus
- 20b10c
- [bombs oca chus]
- bank clip
- 14b10c
- song storage for monkey text skip
- 13b10c
- recoil past guard
- 12b10c
- HESS to grotto
- 11b10c
- grotto
- 8b7c
- palace hovers
- 4b7c
- [bombs oca deku + stored song]
- sonata with monkey text skip, song of soaring
- [deku palace map point]
- mountain village bomb drop and superslide
- 8b7c
- twin islands
- 7b7c
- goron village
- 12b7c
- lab bomb drop, recoil to mikau
- 16b7c
- SoDT to night 1 for mikau CS skip
- superslide to zora cape
- 15b7c
- recoil into superswim to zora hall
- [zora oca deku]
- 14b7c
- [snowhead map point]
- get stick outside WFT
- SoDT to day 2 in WFT
- [zora bombs chus]
- land on torch
- 12b7c
- dinolfos fight for bow
- pillar hovers (could theoretically spend 1b to save 1c here)
- 10b6c
- bk skip (theory to save 1b and time here)
- 6b5c
- odolwa fight
- zora hess through swamp
- 5b5c
- hess to witch
- 4b5c
- roll to other witch (could spend 1b to HESS here)
- [oca bombs bow]
- recoil flip into superswim to PF
- [zora bombs bow]
- 3b5c
- enter PF (theory to HESS in PF)
- 0b5c
- hookshot
- [zora hook bottle + milk road map point]
- get hit by clam and get egg (0.5 damage)
- snowhead bomb drop, lullaby skip
- 4b5c
- [bombs hook stick]
- action swap, icicle bomb drop
- 9b5c
- get hit by wolfos, melt ice (1 damage)
- hookshot up
- long jumps to wizrobe (1 damage)
- 7b5c
- wizrobe fight with broken stick
- hookshot up twice
- [bombs fire chus]
- megas to snowball bridge
- 4b5c
- HESS past snowballs
- 3b5c
- cross the top level gap
- 2b4c
- BK skip
- 1b4c
- goht fight
- ISoT remains escape
- [bombs hook oca]
- 0b4c
- [goron village map point]
- stone tower bomb drop, bomb timestop to enter STT
- 5b4c
- superslide through first room (could save 1b here)
- 4b4c
- [bombs hook zora]
- block clip into superswim to key
- 3b4c
- jump slash recoil superswim back
- weirdshot to nejiron bomb drop
- 7b4c
- weirdshot to fire chest (0.5 damage)
- 6b4c
- [bombs fire chus]
- garo master fight - get hit twice (2 damage)
- death warp
- 5b4c
- [bombs light chus]
- flip STT
- ISTT long jump to death armos (0.5 damage)
- 4b4c
- get owned by death armos twice (2 damage)
- BK skip
- [bombs fire hook]
- 1b1c
- twinmold fight on half a heart monkaS !!!!
- [bombs oca hook]
- ISoT remains escape
- 0b1c
- nwbn - egg dupes over light arrow
- [egg(light) oca hook] x6
- [egg oca zora + zora hall map point]
- bomb drop, TCS with load zone
- [hook oca zora + TCS buffers]
- 5b1c
- PCS with SoDT to night 2
- [bombs bow zora]
- clip and recoil BK skip
- 4b1c
- weirdshot then superswim to gyorg (could save 1b here)
- 2b1c
- gyorg fight (2.5 damage)
- [bombs oca hook]
- ISoT remains escape
- 1b1c
- [bombs oca chus + woodfall map point]
- bomb drop outside GBT
- 6b1c
- hover into clock tower
- 3b0c
- superslide to majora
- 2b0c
- [bombs fire zora]
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