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  1. Logging started 2020-02-22
  2. [09:50:54] <Oni> ostentatio
  3. [11:12:08] <Ostentatio> Could you at least tell me which areas you plan on sanding over?
  4. [11:12:37] <Oni> Everything unless Im seeing some sort of active development. I dont want to actually cause real harm to anybody
  5. [11:12:57] <Ostentatio> you can see my deed from the area that's already sanded. It's already harming people
  6. [11:13:08] <Oni> How has it harmed anyone?
  7. [11:13:32] <Ostentatio> how it is helping you?
  8. [11:13:38] <Oni> BS/WC + MadMax
  9. [11:13:56] <Ostentatio> so it's helping you because it fits the aesthetic you want
  10. [11:14:05] <Ostentatio> so it follows that it could harm other people who *don't* want that aesthetic
  11. [11:14:31] <Oni> If they develope it intos osmething then I am glad
  12. [11:14:41] <Oni> However if its simply a forest then thats beyond reason to not touch it
  13. [11:15:23] <Oni> If you claimed you were gonna develope everything I sanded I would stop and wait to see were it went, if it simply revert back to forest then thats not really developing : /
  14. [11:15:48] <Ostentatio> sanding isn't developing either!
  15. [11:16:03] <Ostentatio> you're sanding it over for your own preference, but other people have different preferences and none of them want this
  16. [11:16:35] <Oni> They can fence/deed/develop. This shows me something is being done with the land. I would gladly stop at that point
  17. [11:16:49] <Oni> I rarely saw anyone in this area as well
  18. [11:17:24] <Ostentatio> by that logic, you aren't doing anything with the land either
  19. [11:17:36] <Oni> That fits under MadMax
  20. [11:17:40] <Ostentatio> also, Pistolpete has a house right there. And you've sanded near buildings.
  21. [11:17:48] <Oni> he settled on sand.
  22. [11:17:58] <Oni> I left it as soon as he did
  23. [11:18:04] <Oni> Even his fields that werent fenced I left
  24. [11:18:11] <Oni> He was developing
  25. [11:18:29] <Oni> If he expands out I will not be touching that area
  26. [11:19:07] <Oni> Hell even helped him out. Imped all his armor and gave him some horse gear
  27. [11:19:25] <Ostentatio> Is a forest not development? I've planted a lot of trees here myself.
  28. [11:19:40] <Oni> What were yuou planning to do with it? If its just sitting its not within reason
  29. [11:19:54] <Ostentatio> the sand does even less than trees do
  30. [11:19:56] <Oni> Someone could use that argument to claim large parts of map without actually doing anything
  31. [11:20:21] <Oni> Sand looks nice on its own
  32. [11:20:37] <Ostentatio> the forest here is a major part of the Newspring landscape and its history, and being deep in the forest is part of my deed's whole aesthetic
  33. [11:20:47] <Ostentatio> I didn't deed here to live on the edge of a desert
  34. [11:20:51] <Oni> So how much are you claiming?
  35. [11:21:14] <Ostentatio> Could you at least leave the area east of the highway for now?
  36. [11:21:27] <Oni> ?
  37. [11:21:50] <Ostentatio> the north-south highway. The one you're right next to, that has the "Westerham Beach" sign. That used to be in the middle of the woods.
  38. [11:22:21] <Oni> The one by that island with the deed on it?
  39. [11:22:46] <Ostentatio> the one I'm standing on RIGHT NOW
  40. [11:22:58] <Oni> Relax. Im in the middle of a forest cant see anything
  41. [11:22:59] <Ostentatio> with the Olive Grove inn sign and the westerham beach sign
  42. [11:23:17] <Oni> Yes I know the inn sign
  43. [11:23:19] <Ostentatio> no you're not, you're on the edge of it I can see you and your horse
  44. [11:23:32] <Ostentatio> yes, I'm referring to the area east of that sign
  45. [11:23:47] <Oni> What are you claiming?
  46. [11:23:57] <Ostentatio> could we at least compromise for now and use that highway as a buffer, and leave the forest on my side of that highway alone?
  47. [11:24:05] <Oni> The entire forest?
  48. [11:24:19] <Ostentatio> No, not the entire forest I'm asking if you can leave the forest on *that* side of the highway alone
  49. [11:24:36] <Oni> Im willing to leave a buffer around your deed of a specific tile length
  50. [11:24:39] <Ostentatio> you've sanded over an extremely large region of land on the other side as well
  51. [11:24:50] <Oni> Or
  52. [11:24:57] <Oni> Unless you happen to develop a section
  53. [11:24:58] <Ostentatio> okay then, a buffer of however many tiles it is between my deed and that highway. Whatever that number is
  54. [11:25:06] <Oni> Thats a large buffer
  55. [11:25:20] <Ostentatio> it's a minority of the land you've sanded already, and it's close to my deed
  56. [11:25:27] <Oni> How about 10 tiles around deed?
  57. [11:25:28] <Ostentatio> I'm trying to come to some sort of compromise here
  58. [11:25:31] <Ostentatio> are you kidding?
  59. [11:25:32] <Oni> As am I
  60. [11:25:38] <Ostentatio> that's not a compromise at all
  61. [11:25:45] <Ostentatio> 10 tiles around my deed isn't even my goddamn perimeter
  62. [11:26:01] <Oni> How large are perimeters these days? havent played in long time
  63. [11:26:08] <Ostentatio> variable
  64. [11:26:13] <Oni> Thought they used to be like 2 tiles or something like that?
  65. [11:26:25] <Ostentatio> look, I'm not going to waste my time here. If you aren't interested in any sort of compromise, then so be it
  66. [11:26:46] <Oni> I tried to compromise : /. You didnt get what you want so are aggressive
  67. [11:26:51] <Ostentatio> "I'll sand over everything that isn't within 10 tiles of your deed" is not a compromise
  68. [11:27:23] <Oni> Well anything that you develop within reason
  69. [11:27:27] <Ostentatio> why don't you just settle somewhere there are fewer people, if you don't care what your neighbors think?
  70. [11:27:41] <Ostentatio> this server is gigantic and has lots of unspoiled land, including deserts
  71. [11:27:50] <Oni> Cus I thought this area was dead. I got here and was no one for awhile and I was on for many many hours
  72. [11:27:52] <Ostentatio> inside the perimeter of my deed is not "within reason"
  73. [11:28:06] <Ostentatio> it isn't dead, this island is one of the most populated places on the server
  74. [11:28:17] <Oni> From what I seen it didnt seem like that
  75. [11:28:26] <Ostentatio> then you're wrong? I don't know how else to put it
  76. [11:28:31] <Oni> I could be yes
  77. [11:28:37] <Ostentatio> and your excuse of doing it to train woodcutting/body strength is absolute nonsense considering you're leaving all the felled trees behind
  78. [11:28:40] <Oni> I dont know this are well other then within 2-3 locals out
  79. [11:28:47] <Oni> 3 criteria.
  80. [11:28:54] <Oni> You keep forgetting the third.
  81. [11:29:17] <Oni> Look are you going to claim an area to do somethign with or you just want a forest?
  82. [11:29:20] <Ostentatio> if you want to play out your mad max fantasy, and completely destroy the landscape and turn it into a wasteland, why not do it in an unpopulated area?
  83. [11:29:37] <Ostentatio> the forest is what we're doing with it. We like the landscape here
  84. [11:29:39] <Oni> Its not destroying the landscape : /. This is very easy to reverse for someone wanting to use the land
  85. [11:29:52] <Ostentatio> if we reverse it you'd just do it again, and you know it
  86. [11:30:02] <Oni> I will if no one develops it other then "forest"
  87. [11:30:04] <Ostentatio> if I came here, dropped dirt, planted more trees, and grew more grass, you'd just do this again
  88. [11:30:07] <Ostentatio> exactly
  89. [11:30:13] <Ostentatio> [11:29:22] <Ostentatio> if you want to play out your mad max fantasy, and completely destroy the landscape and turn it into a wasteland, why not do it in an unpopulated area?
  90. [11:30:25] <Oni> Why not claim an area?
  91. [11:30:33] <Oni> Fence it off or deed it or develope it
  92. [11:30:38] <Ostentatio> You don't have to do this here. There are tons of places on this server where you could do this without bothering a single person
  93. [11:30:56] <Oni> I happened to settle here, was random since not too many places on coast
  94. [11:31:08] <Ostentatio> then maybe you chose poorly? You can always choose a better spot
  95. [11:31:15] <Ostentatio> or maybe you should have considered all this before you started?
  96. [11:31:46] <Oni> Why is your right to a forest more then my right to train on public land?
  97. [11:31:49] <Ostentatio> Look, you want the landscape to look a certain way, and I want it to look differently. Can't we just compromise, and you leave the area closer to me as forest?
  98. [11:32:02] <Ostentatio> You're not doing it to train. If you were doing it to train, you would be chopping the trees up
  99. [11:32:09] <Oni> Im willing to compromise but that seems a large amount of land for forest
  100. [11:32:15] <Oni> 3 criteria
  101. [11:32:20] <Ostentatio> it's... a large amount of land for desert
  102. [11:32:27] <Oni> 2 parts train, 1 part always wanted to do
  103. [11:32:34] <Ostentatio> this place has been forest since the server started
  104. [11:32:48] <Oni> Thought you said earlier it was desert you helped reforest it?
  105. [11:33:04] <Ostentatio> some of it was previously sanded over by someone else. A small region near where you currently are. Not the massive amount you're doing
  106. [11:33:52] <Ostentatio> Honestly, I'm done talking about this. Your excuses are ridiculous and you're unwilling to compromise within any sort of reason
  107. [11:34:10] <Oni> Whats funny is Im being truthful : /
  108. [11:34:12] <Ostentatio> I don't want to get into a terraforming war with you, I don't have the time
  109. [11:34:26] <Oni> And I was willing to compromise within reason
  110. [11:34:31] <Ostentatio> your notion of a "compromise" is literally sanding over my perimeter
  111. [11:34:41] <Ostentatio> splitting the difference between our two deeds is perfectly within reason
  112. [11:35:04] <Oni> Having you claim a large area purely for forest isnt within reason
  113. [11:35:06] <Ostentatio> there's a highway between us. Leave the area east of the highway alone
  114. [11:35:09] <Oni> I can use that logic for the whole map.
  115. [11:35:14] <Ostentatio> you're claiming it purely for desert
  116. [11:35:25] <Oni> Nope. If you want it to devlope its yours
  117. [11:35:32] <Ostentatio> either of us can terraform it to what we want, and we can fight over it, or we could split the area and compromise
  118. [11:35:51] <Oni> Im working within my 3 criteria
  119. [11:35:53] <Ostentatio> the part east of the highway isn't even 1/4 of what you already have sanded
  120. [11:36:02] <Ostentatio> I'm done talking to you, sorry
  121. [11:36:08] <Ostentatio> have fun
  122. [11:36:34] <Oni> Sorry we couldnt at least be friendly on a person to person level. You are first person I seen in this area actually on.
  123. [12:12:17] <Oni> Just wish to confirm your the KoS dude?
  124. [12:29:25] <Oni> Yellow. How does one get that?
  125. Logging started 2020-02-22
  126. [18:02:19] <Oni> help
  127. Logging started 2020-02-23
  128. [08:04:14] <Oni> Hello Rizanalt
  129. [08:04:22] <Rizanalt> Hello Oni
  130. [08:05:44] <Oni> Heere
  131. [08:06:18] <Rizanalt> Thank you so much
  132. [08:06:31] <Oni> No probs have fun
  133. [08:07:22] <Rizanalt> may this character stay here till i get my main here?
  134. [08:07:30] <Oni> Do whatever you want
  135. [08:17:17] <Rizanalt> um , i know that this may sound ungrateful
  136. [08:17:28] <Rizanalt> but if you are quitting , can i have your stuff?
  137. [08:17:39] <Oni> What you want?
  138. [08:17:39] <Rizanalt> unless you are moving
  139. [08:18:07] <Rizanalt> i even dont have one on my main
  140. [08:18:27] <Oni> You can have whatever execpt account and deed
  141. [08:18:32] <Oni> Those both die
  142. [08:18:43] <Rizanalt> That is understandable
  143. [08:18:44] <Oni> What did you want
  144. [08:46:45] <Rizanalt> so it dropped
  145. [09:22:22] Wagoner Daremar Yawns!
  146. [09:22:23] <Wagoner Daremar> It's been a great day, but time for sleep!
  147. [09:22:34] Wagoner Daremar zzZzzzzzZz.
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