Xzhar Seatreader Debate - Theology

[23:59] Xzhar SeaTreader (xzharseatreader): you're going grey?
[00:00] ΞƔﻪ Silvercloud (evangaline): that was the oriiginal concept.
[00:00] Xzhar SeaTreader (xzharseatreader): ahhh.. Do you know which order you'll be taking then?
[00:02] ΞƔﻪ Silvercloud (evangaline): newp no idea if I'll even Leave the Jedi Order .... at this point anyway.... since... if you want to be techincal... Mace Windu was pretty Grey lol... it was the basis for the development of the Vaapan style of Juyo right?... or at least it was a close  facsimilie
[00:03] Xzhar SeaTreader (xzharseatreader): Kind of.  It was more use of your person.  He was able to enjoy the fight without straying dark.. That's why he was able to use it.  Others tried and failed.  Much like the case of Revan - what matters is who you fight for.  Grays often fight for good, but there are times when they stray over
[00:05] Xzhar SeaTreader (xzharseatreader): The major difference is that the Jedi fight for good - but we have limits. Gray Jedi don't.  They will employ any means they can to achieve their goals.  This is where the eternal argument starts
[00:05] ΞƔﻪ Silvercloud (evangaline): then that doesn't quite match with what I'm shooting for
[00:06] ΞƔﻪ Silvercloud (evangaline): eva.... was designed to be more like a Jedi version of the Revanites.... minus the crazy of course lol.
[00:07] ΞƔﻪ Silvercloud (evangaline): He original build had her  standing on a balance between Darkness and Light... and a State of True Nuetrality....
[00:07] Xzhar SeaTreader (xzharseatreader): but at some point nuetrality has to break
[00:08] ΞƔﻪ Silvercloud (evangaline): oh indeed...
[00:10] Xzhar SeaTreader (xzharseatreader): are you typing?
[00:11] ΞƔﻪ Silvercloud (evangaline): i liked the idea however, as for her build of her being able to love, or what not, Something to the effect that both Codes are kinda true.... I think the thing i said was "Never surrender your mind for your Passion or nor your passion for your mind." that was the orignal build philosphy that is.
[00:11] ΞƔﻪ Silvercloud (evangaline): yep lol
[00:11] Xzhar SeaTreader (xzharseatreader): Well the Jedi code isn't about not having passion - it's about not letting that passion consume you
[00:13] ΞƔﻪ Silvercloud (evangaline): to be fair... Didn't the Jedi Tell Anakin that Love was an emotion he should not persue?
[00:13] ΞƔﻪ Silvercloud (evangaline): btw I'm loving this conversation lol
[00:14] Xzhar SeaTreader (xzharseatreader): absolutely.  There are instances, especially canonically where love was forbidden.  But on the same coin, there were points when it was granted, such as the case of Ki-adi Munidi
[00:15] ΞƔﻪ Silvercloud (evangaline): How does that work in Rp? do the Jedi's here have to get permission to shack up with someone from the "Council?" or there Master?
[00:16] Xzhar SeaTreader (xzharseatreader): in SL the rule is off, you are just expected to be careful
[00:18] ΞƔﻪ Silvercloud (evangaline): oh well then there really is no point to Going Grey at all.... except for my lineage lol
[00:18] Xzhar SeaTreader (xzharseatreader): what is that?
[00:20] ΞƔﻪ Silvercloud (evangaline): ok... so Eva's Mother was a Shan. As in Satelle... the Descendent of Reven and Bastilla... i mean she's her and her mother are extremely distant descendants and it's not a focal point... it just helps to explain a bit of why she is the way she is in a sense., When Iria met Eva earlier, Eva was soft spoken and no idea how to say I'm here to learn, so instead she set down a ornate Box that she caried under her arm and lifted it back up without any effort.. and zero training lol
[00:22] Xzhar SeaTreader (xzharseatreader): I would be EXTREMELY careful with that
[00:22] ΞƔﻪ Silvercloud (evangaline): now I don't make myself this way to powerplay ... I'm not one of those, however, I do like Rping the Prodigy who has no idea they are a prodigy and often as a result over does things ... it's fun for me =)
[00:22] ΞƔﻪ Silvercloud (evangaline): it won't even come up in RP likely
[00:23] Xzhar SeaTreader (xzharseatreader): Still.  Having such a well known and dominant character in your IC lineage can cause issues with a lot of people.   It's your RP, but I would recommend an off family line, where you have the freedom to be who you are, not live under the shadow of your ancestry
[00:24] ΞƔﻪ Silvercloud (evangaline): well that's the other Half of it.... The Soulgazer name comes from my Tor Legagcy lol...
[00:25] Xzhar SeaTreader (xzharseatreader): Tor legacy is different so long as you don't pull from the canon reason it's there...
[00:26] XzharSeatreader: That's also a seriously OP lineage.  I would STRONGLY advise against canon characters.  I'm not sure if it's in there or not, but I think the sim has something against that for RP for that very reason
[00:27] ΞƔﻪ Silvercloud (evangaline): Iria had told me it was fine as long as I didn't make it the focal point of my character and the Descendcy was Distant..
[00:28] Xzhar SeaTreader (xzharseatreader): Well a descendancy like that is about as distant as it gets.   I mean Revan is over 3K bby..
[00:28] ΞƔﻪ Silvercloud (evangaline): yeah.... same with Shan.
[00:29] Xzhar SeaTreader (xzharseatreader): It's kind of like growing up and being like yeah.. Jesus was my great great great... you get what I'm saying...  And Revan was a shan - married her after KOTOR, although their direct children weren't force sensitive
[00:30] Xzhar SeaTreader (xzharseatreader): Satele and that came later of course, taking the mantle of Grand Master after the sacking of coruscant
[00:30] ΞƔﻪ Silvercloud (evangaline): yep yep
[00:31] Xzhar SeaTreader (xzharseatreader): I'd just be careful with that is all.  Keep in mind that while Revan did stray from the order, he was a Light-oriented character.  Called even the "Guardian of Light" by some, he wasn't a gray.  You never see him using moves like force lightning or anything like that.  He has limits, he just has a deeper understanding of the force, letting both light and dark flow through him when he's in such a powerful presence as Darth Vitiate
[00:35] ΞƔﻪ Silvercloud (evangaline): see  you just put it wuper perfect just then... "Letting both flow through him.... That's what I want lol."
[00:36] Xzhar SeaTreader (xzharseatreader): well that's not a "Power" per se.  It was something he was introduced to during his first encounter and learn to utilize in that ONE encounter.  It wasn't something he could or did use at will
[00:38] ΞƔﻪ Silvercloud (evangaline): hmmm
[00:40] Xzhar SeaTreader (xzharseatreader): what are you thinking?
[00:43] ΞƔﻪ Silvercloud (evangaline): I was thinking that it was my impression that before the end that Revan was neither really Jedi or Sith...
[00:44] Xzhar SeaTreader (xzharseatreader): No - he specifically was fighting to keep the republic alive.  While the Jedi didn't really accept him because he took more drastic measures, he was still light and remained light until he died
[00:45] ΞƔﻪ Silvercloud (evangaline): Well there was that, but not exactly what i meant.
[00:46] ΞƔﻪ Silvercloud (evangaline): I meant as far as the Codes.... he struck me more like a Dad witha  Lightsaber .... like he balanced both his light and Dark side,
[00:46] ΞƔﻪ Silvercloud (evangaline): but that's just an opinion, or interpretation...
[00:47] ΞƔﻪ Silvercloud (evangaline): Conjecture .... on my part
[00:47] ΞƔﻪ Silvercloud (evangaline): lol
[00:48] Xzhar SeaTreader (xzharseatreader): absolutely.  I would argue that he kept the codes.  It's specifically mentioned in the beginning of Revan by Drew Karpyshyn and continues the theme throught his confinement - Scourge is amazed at his character - it's what draws him closer.  Gray Jedi wouldn't have that appeal because he would have seen the lack of limits, of restriction.  Does that make sense?
[00:49] ΞƔﻪ Silvercloud (evangaline): Yeah perfect Sense
[00:50] Xzhar SeaTreader (xzharseatreader): excellent.  Sorry I Tend to rant lol
[00:50] ΞƔﻪ Silvercloud (evangaline): now to beclear... I don't want to be Revan... I just want to be able to be that Jedi that sees a value in both sides of the force and maintains there Morality
[00:51] ΞƔﻪ Silvercloud (evangaline): and don't worry I often enjoy rants cause you can learn alot from them lol
[00:54] Xzhar SeaTreader (xzharseatreader): this is true.  And I understand your argument about morality, but you have to be very careful  on how you RP that.  You have to have clearly defined boundaries to how you fight and what you do.  For example, grays use somthing called "Judgement Lightning."  It's a variant of force lightning, but it's considered light side.  I disagree with it from a  Jedi perspective and therefor don't use it.  Those distinctions have to be made.  He knew as  a Jedi that sometimes you have to do what is necessary, not what people tell you, and because of that he was able to be victorious in the Mandalorian Wars.  But he had to come to terms with the cost of his actions.
[00:55] ΞƔﻪ Silvercloud (evangaline): indeed
[00:55] ΞƔﻪ Silvercloud (evangaline): also Judgement thunder doesn't hold a candle to Force Lighting from a Sith lol
[00:56] Xzhar SeaTreader (xzharseatreader): true, because it's based out of raw dark side energy, fueled by hate and aggression.  Regardless, based on my personal preference it's a dark side power, even if it is just skirting it
[00:57] ΞƔﻪ Silvercloud (evangaline): well yeah
[00:57] ΞƔﻪ Silvercloud (evangaline): the who mentality you have to have to use it is Darkside straight up lol
[00:58] Xzhar SeaTreader (xzharseatreader): yeah
[01:00] ΞƔﻪ Silvercloud (evangaline): ya know I've talked with a few friends about this before... I see Eva easily as being an Ataru combatant  and saber focused in most of her skills... though I would also be able to see her using Vaapad, ... hell i want to... really bad figure ou t a way to fight with a hybrid of the two IC lol... but if i can figure that out.... Its one of those not for a longwhile yet things lol
[01:01] Xzhar SeaTreader (xzharseatreader): Well for me lightsaber combat is an extension of who your character is and where they come from.  That's why Xzhar fights the way he does
[01:03] ΞƔﻪ Silvercloud (evangaline): that makes sense.