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  1. ---JULY 17, 2018---
  2. 5:59 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: So, same thing hear. With what's happening on the Keyhole, we're going to want to get going here on what's next. If Wikia can push KHWiki down in SEO, were going to be way underground.
  3. [6:00 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: We're going to want to make actual plans of what to do so that no one feels overwhelmed, but rather can focus on what they each can do.
  4. [6:00 PM] Chainoffire: We're lucky to be on googles first page by Jan 29
  5. [6:00 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: Yeah.
  6. [6:02 PM] Chainoffire: I say focus on KH3 articles, those'll be the most viewed ones.
  7. [6:02 PM] Chainoffire: Do we want to be me leanient with the trailer policy? That'll seperate us from KHWiki
  8. [6:04 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: That's one of the big ones. I'm almost certain Wikia's little message implies they'll be writing KHIII articles. If we don't, people will be more willing to trust/visit them over us simply by virtue of them having the pages, even if they're flawed.
  9. [6:05 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: I say we should be more lenient. The trailers are official. If we make it clear that the articles, like the trailers, are subject to change when the game releases, we shouldn't have issues.
  10. [6:07 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: Another safeguard I've been thinking about is to make it a policy that the unreleased template stays on any such articles until the article has been reviewed by staff or other trusted editors after the game's release, to ensure the content is accurate with the game's actual content.
  11. [6:08 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: That way, if, say, the Toy Box world actually cuts Woody from it, and we think up until release it doesn't, we still have the fallback that says "Hey, the game just released, the article is still being updated with game info, some content here may still be inaccurate." Kinda like a disclaimer.
  12. ---JULY 18, 2018---
  13. [10:06 AM] Draaek: that def sounds doable enough
  14. [10:07 AM] Draaek: what about speculation tho? and yes, I'm talking about the whole marluxia thing
  15. [10:07 AM] Draaek: there's been countless people that claim it's true because the trailer shows them with the norted eyes and all
  16. [10:09 AM] Draaek: would we want to "believe" them until further notice since we'd be technically allowing information from the trailers or be strict about speculation even if that means "ignoring" parts of the trailers as official info
  17. [10:24 AM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: As far as speculation goes, we'd want to avoid it strictly. If there's something that confirms explicitly that the silver hair/yellow eyes thing is a sign of the Xehanorts, then I think that's be good enough to go from there to "Everyone with yellow eyes is with Xehanort." I don't think we have that confirmation yet, though.
  18. [10:29 AM] Draaek: :wgr7:
  19. ---JULY 20, 2018---
  20. 7:42 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: Welp, @everyone I guess I'll just go ahead and dump my ideas here and we can have a continuing discussion, since Chain's the only one that said he'd be available for an actual Roundtable today.
  21. [7:43 PM] Draaek: 1. links are weird
  22. [7:44 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: Ummm.... which links?
  23. [7:46 PM] Draaek: on Affiliates you placed a link to the page's talk page, but it's marked as a red link despite the talk page actually exists
  24. [7:46 PM] Draaek: trying to figure out why is it doing that
  25. [7:48 PM] Draaek: the link isn't really understanding that it's a talk page and it's instead trying to create a literal new page under the name "KHDatabase talk:Affiliates"
  26. [7:49 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: The link is spelled incorrectly
  27. [7:49 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: It was to a page titled KHDatbase talk:Affiliates. It was missing an "a"
  28. [7:49 PM] Draaek: ...
  29. [7:49 PM] Draaek: :wgrFAIL:
  30. [7:50 PM] Draaek: I swear I can read
  31. [7:50 PM] Draaek: forget I even said a thing
  32. [7:50 PM] Draaek: AHEM, you may dump your ideas now
  33. [7:51 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: :kbsSHRUG:
  34. [7:51 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: ANYWAYS
  35. [7:51 PM] Draaek: :cahlaShrug:
  36. [7:51 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: So, I already mentioned the Kingdom Hearts III articles.
  37. [7:52 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: And the plan for that. I've actually already started on some of them a while back. The new world articles I think are all done
  38. [7:55 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: Eventually, the Unreleased template will also be able to automatically add "Recently-released" category, so that we as admins will be able to check the articles and remove the template if the content is accurate after the release of the game.
  39. [7:55 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: Top ten articles in the category will appear here: http://khdatabase.azurewebsites.net/KHDatabase:Community_Portal/Hall_of_the_Cornerstone(edited)
  40. [7:57 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: So next: Transcripts.
  41. [7:58 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: I'm planning on including transcripts for all the games, as well as complete transcripts of interviews as we use them.
  42. [7:58 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: There are a couple of pages already on the Database with this data.
  43. [7:59 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: http://khdatabase.azurewebsites.net/Transcript:Kingdom_Hearts_Orchestra_-World_Tour-
  44. [8:00 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: The Transcript space would replace the quotes-space from the KHWiki, too.
  45. [8:00 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: http://khdatabase.azurewebsites.net/Transcript:Multiplayer.it_E3_2018_interview
  46. Transcript:Multiplayer.it E3 2018 interview
  47. [8:01 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: http://khdatabase.azurewebsites.net/Transcript:Kairi
  48. [8:02 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: I've been talking to Aquaberry from KH13 for permission to use their interviews, and it seems we have it for the most part. She encouraged me to talk to some of the non-KH13-staff translators, like Goldpanner and SQEXgal for their permission for their interview translations.
  49. [8:03 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: And I've been working on the KH and KHII transcripts fora little over a month now. Haven't played either in a few weeks.
  50. [8:03 PM] Draaek: so you want something like this? http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/Avatar_(Fates)/Quotes
  51. [8:08 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: I had thought we could do something like Transcript:Disney Castle
  52. [8:08 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: Would have all the transcripts for Disney Castle
  53. [8:09 PM] Draaek: but that would be location based
  54. [8:09 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: And "Transcript:Disney Castle/Cutscene name" for actual cutscenes
  55. [8:10 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: My thought was that most of Theater Mode is split by world
  56. [8:11 PM] Draaek: is it? I really haven't gone into that lol
  57. [8:11 PM] Draaek: only did for 0.2 and it was basically to write down the cutscene titles lol
  58. [8:12 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: Yeah, for the most part they do.
  59. [8:12 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: I think HD 358/2 Days and HD Re:coded don't. But then, they're just a doofus excuse for a movie.
  60. [8:13 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: I haven't checked HD 3D or 0.2 myself, though.
  61. [8:15 PM] Draaek: :wgr7:
  62. [8:16 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: The next thing is Minigames and Synthesis
  63. [8:18 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: When I asked around in KeybladeSarah's Discord server for what kind of information they tend to search for when they play the games, they mentioned a few things:
  64. [8:18 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: Sidequests/minigames
  65. [8:18 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: Treasure Chest locations
  66. [8:19 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: Item Synthesis lists
  67. [8:19 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: Which, I think, are probably what you tend to look for if you're playing the game, no matter how long you've played.
  68. [8:21 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: Even though the stats on the KHWiki are cool and important, you're more likely to look for how to synthesize Ultima Weapon before you look up the weaknesses of Ansem in Kingdom Hearts.
  69. [8:23 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: So somehow, it'd be good to put that information up. Most of it is likely already on the KHWiki, it'd be just a matter of presenting it better.
  70. [8:25 PM] Draaek: I mentioned this once, but there's basically three types of players:
  71. 1. casuals: They'll just run straight forward to the end and MAYBE craft the best weapon/armor in the game
  72. 2. general/accomplishers: Usually the majority of the playerbase, they tend to look out for most treasure chests, fill in a list or two, maybe even fulfill the achievements that don't involve spending crazy amounts of time doing x thing or increasing difficulty
  73. 3. hardcore, min maxers: Minority, go ham on literally EVERYTHING. Getting all the achievements, trophies, basically 100% the game and even replay on harder difficulties for a challenge
  74. [8:25 PM] Draaek: the way I see it, KHWiki appeals more to #3
  75. [8:26 PM] Draaek: we should aim for 2.
  76. [8:27 PM] Draaek: keyhole really felt like it was on level 1, since we didn't even have synth lists or anything like that and it all was redirected to KHWiki so we mostly offered a general rundown of the game and plot
  77. [8:31 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: Yeah.
  78. [8:33 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: I think it'd be good to eventually have the content for the third kind of people. There will be plenty that will want to platinum the game before KHIII. But none of the stats for individual enemies really gets us there. Most of the people that want to make that goal don't care that a given enemy has a weakness to fire, only what will help them to take on all the Mushroom XIII.(edited)
  79. [8:37 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: One of the things related to that which I hope to add is the ability list for each choice taken in Dive to the Heart. The KHWiki doesn't have that, and it annoys me.
  80. [8:38 PM] Draaek: we need to find a balance between "giving players all the tips and info they need to plat a game" and "we're over saturating the players and pages with a bunch of information that almost no one will use"
  81. [8:38 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: Yeah, for sure.
  82. [8:39 PM] Draaek: I agree on the options stuff, sometimes we want to know ahead if time what the choices will cause
  83. [8:39 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: Definitely, the goal here is to be a resource people will want to turn to for help and can find that help easily. I feel the KHWiki has a lot of that help, but it's hard to find.
  84. [8:43 PM] Draaek: agreed
  85. [8:43 PM] Draaek: sometimes they don't even have what we're looking for lol
  86. [8:45 PM] Draaek: you know what would be cool? to conduct a poll of sorts like the one you did with that other discord server but with more people/players we know are on one of those levels and see what THEY want to see when they come to a wiki
  87. [8:45 PM] Draaek: could give us some ground as to what is truly important to have and what's just a filler
  88. [8:46 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: Yeah. I meant to ask more people. But then I never got to it.
  89. [8:49 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: Related to that is coverage on Kingdom Hearts Union X.
  90. [8:49 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: I really don't have much to say on this other than we probably should figure out what's important to those who are playing it and cover that. I honestly haven't played in like two months.
  91. [8:50 PM] Draaek: I never played it
  92. [8:50 PM] Draaek: and I think everyone else here kinda doesn't play anymore sooo.... we might need some extra help on this
  93. [8:50 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: Particularly, I think the story would be good to cover. If/When we figure the story out.
  94. [8:51 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: XD
  95. [8:52 PM] Draaek: that thing has story?! :cahlaDerp:
  96. [8:52 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: Yes. And it's canon
  97. [8:52 PM] Draaek: :wgrHORR:
  98. [8:52 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: My guess is it ties whatever comes next after Kingdom Hearts III
  99. [8:52 PM] Draaek: that's just.... weird
  100. [8:52 PM] Draaek: aaaaaaaactually no it's not, I take it back
  101. [8:53 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: It's supposed to tie into Kingdom Hearts III.
  102. [8:53 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: But lately, it doesn't seem to be going anywhere.
  103. [8:53 PM] Draaek: was going to say "who makes an online game be canon to a story?? online games get updated often, and almost always HAVE to get updated for years or they stop being played"
  104. [8:53 PM] Draaek: but then I looked at eso
  105. [8:54 PM] Draaek: which is basically that lol
  106. [8:54 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: XD
  107. [8:56 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: As smaller items, I was thinking of doing a "On this day" kinda feature, but I haven't worked on it yet.
  108. [8:57 PM] Draaek: those are a bit hard to do
  109. [8:58 PM] Draaek: mainly since we really need to be on top with the dates and everything
  110. [8:58 PM] Draaek: and well, we'd need to work on the timer so it auto updates instead of us manually making the change every day
  111. [8:58 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: I feel as we work on the games, we'll find events that are significant in KH history and just add it as we go.
  112. [8:59 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: And yeah, I have an idea for how the templates work, I just haven't worked on it.
  113. [8:59 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: (As an example of dates: 26 September marks the 17th Anniversary of the first Kingdom Hearts demo, which was available at TGS 2001)
  114. [8:59 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: Learned that while writing the Kingdom Hearts article.
  115. [9:00 PM] Draaek: hmm, that could def work
  116. [9:00 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: The KH3Premiere took place on the same day that Kingdom Hearts was first revealed at E3 2001 seventeen years ago.
  117. [9:02 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: We could add stuff like VA actors birthdays or such, too. The important thing is just making the templates work.
  118. [9:02 PM] Draaek: ^
  119. [9:02 PM] Draaek: aka, sometimes the hardest part
  120. [9:05 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: The only other thing I've been working on was staff stuff. Quick question before I share it. What do you like to do most on the wiki? Like, on the Keyhole, what was it you liked to do most? Or felt you were most good at?
  121. [9:06 PM] Draaek: chain imported our staff text afaik
  122. [9:06 PM] Draaek: which is still true, I lurk and watch the RC like 99% of the time
  123. [9:07 PM] Draaek: the other 1% is reverting false stuff or uploading better quality images when possible
  124. [9:07 PM] Draaek: (or when aix had me do that for his projects lol)
  125. [9:14 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: Because here's basically my idea for staff, and it'd work best once we get more people. I figured there were four-five different areas that we could focus on to adminster over the Database: Community, Content, News, and Public Relations.
  126. [9:15 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: My thinking is, the community lead would be in charge of anything related to community events, the forums. Theoretically, a Discord server if we were to have our own. Stuff like that.
  127. [9:17 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: The content leader would be in charge of making sure the articles and other content on the Database would be okay, adhering to policies. Kinda like what you do.
  128. [9:17 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: News is just in charge of the news team.
  129. [9:17 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: And public relations is stuff like affiliations.
  130. [9:21 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: Chain told me back in April, apparently the KHWiki had a contact at SE. So that's one of our goals, and the public relations person would be in our link to that person.
  131. [9:22 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: And then most of those people would have, like, other people that would help them. So it's not all just the one person.
  132. [9:23 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: The idea behind this is, I feel most people are more likely to help out if they have a specific assignment to help. Simply saying "This is a list of all the things we need to get done, pick and do all that you want/can do" hasn't worked in the past on the KHWiki. Operation:Keychain is a pretty good example of that.
  133. [9:24 PM] Draaek: lol yea
  134. [9:24 PM] Draaek: our attention span isn't very good apparently
  135. [9:24 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: But making it possible for people to have specific assignments that they feel gives them opportunities to lead will more likely encourage them to do it.
  136. [9:26 PM] Draaek: that sounds cool
  137. [9:26 PM] Draaek: maybe we could actually have an "in training" role for those who might want to help but dont know where they'd fit best
  138. [9:26 PM] Draaek: or for those we think would be a good addition to the team but want to ensure they can keep up with the roles we have
  139. [9:29 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: Yeah, we could do that, too.
  140. [9:31 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: So here's how I was thinking of setting it up, and I'm sure it's overly ambitious, but bear with me.
  141. [9:31 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: :sweat_smile:
  142. [9:33 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: So, you'd be the content leader. Or admin. I had originally written down Content Administrator.
  143. [9:33 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: FinalRest would be the Community Lead
  144. [9:33 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: Aixon would be the News Team Lead
  145. [9:33 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: And Chainoffire is already self-appointed as the PR Rep.
  146. [9:34 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: XD
  147. [9:35 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: I never figured out what/how to give myself a job. I'm, like, involved in everything, so :kbsSHRUG:
  148. [9:36 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: They're mostly based on what Chain brought over from The Keyhole, so that's what I came up with.
  149. [9:38 PM] Draaek: I SHALL RULE THE WIKI :wgrRAID:
  150. [9:46 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: Right now, I'm thinking of a more journalistic title and went with MASTER ADMINISTRATOR :kbsSMILE:
  151. [9:46 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: XD just kidding
  152. [9:47 PM] Draaek: :wgrGLARE:
  153. [10:02 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: Anyways. After spending time thinking about it and coming up with nothing.
  154. [10:02 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: That's all I got right now.
  155. [10:09 PM] ā„KeybladeSantaMasteršŸŽ„: So yeah. You all can tell me what you think. I hope you don't feel too overwhelmed; I just want to make sure we take advantage especially with the launch of KHIII in just a few months, to get our name out there before the wave of hype dies off.
  156. [10:11 PM] Draaek: :wgr7:
  157. [10:13 PM] Draaek: one last thing KSM, could you pin each of the topics? so it's a bit faster for the rest to reach your proposals even if they're buried by messages here
  158. [10:14 PM] Draaek: so basically, your first message about KH3 articles, the one where transcripts is bolded, bolded minigames and synthesis, bolded UX and the first staff message
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