Ame vs Wap

Round 1:

Ame's response:
* Statposting
* Ninjak > Sentinel in terms of relative offense, relative defense and speed.
* Ninjak is stealthy and skill which the sentinels can't counter

* See above for statposting on Grodd
* DK's telepathy resistance should not cover for Grodd

* See above for statposting on Grunge
* Grunge is immune to disease

Wap's Response

* Ninjak's tricks are useless, the Sentinel will track him across the map.
* Ninjak's poor durability will make it difficult for him to tolerate any hits from the Sentinel.
* Ninjak will be unable to apply lethal damage to the Sentinel before sustaining such hits.

* Death Knight ignores Grodd's telepathy. "I'll unbabble it. Grodd's powers work through neurological stimulus"
* Grodd will deal with a sword strike, due to inferior reach and speed.
* Grodd lacks any piercing resistance besides "is big". He gets dismembered.

* Winsor has infected and dealt with characters who are able to transmute their structure to inorganic materials such as Grunge.
* Winsor's portfolio of superpowers allows him to initiate the fight with invisibility, and get in free hits that would tilt the fight in his favor early, and take advantage of Grunge's poor reaction to said hits.

Round 2:

Ame's response

* Ninjak should hold up against the sentinel's offense
* Ninjak's offense > Sentinel's defense for reasons presented
* Fundamentally the Sentinel isn't fast for this tier.
* Sentinels Are Blind

* Skill definetly is relevant against a Sentinel, they clearly have tells (beam charge up), have largely humanoid forms and move/behave similar to humans.
* The facts are Grodd can clearly control minds, millions of them, DK clearly has a mind ergo Grodd can control DK's mind.
* VISUALLY SLOW

* Grunge vs Winsor stat-posting

Wap's Response
* Stat posting
* Also who cares. Ninjak is argued by Ame to prefer using his piercing implement - that is what the Sentinel will be interacting with. This fails too.
* Ame wincons involve him cutting large amounts of Sentinel, which are larger than the humans Ninjak cuts.
* While I could see Ninjak doing some damage to a Sentinel, the feats Ame link don't suggest Ninjak can dismember something tougher to pierce than flesh and much larger than a normal person.
* Even if we assume "Death Knight has the speed of a normal person", it's then just a match of "man with sword vs. man without sword" where one man can bisect and dismember the other in single hits.

* Ame argues Grunge will drop his metal form in response to this, which is unfortunate.


Overall takeaways:

* Sentinel wins against Ninjak. While there was some really wonky scans like what was even going on with the randomly exploding Sentinel, I think Wap makes a good point in respects to the whole Ninjak can't really hide and is going fight in a highly suboptimal manner.

* DK wins against Grodd. NGL the "Can Grodd control a corpse" argument more or less convinced me and I don't really buy Grodd is a competent melee fighter.

* Winsor wins against Grunge as he does NOT have an ability to simply swap ad infinitum and Grunge can affect inorganic things even with the caveat he has to 'reapply'