An Analysis of Trump and the American Right

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11:22:07 AM+OneArgumentManI hate Donald Trump an incredible amount.
11:22:19 AM+OneArgumentManAlmost daily he commits treason against his country.
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11:23:03 AM+OneArgumentMan"You know President Putin is KGB... Putin is fine. He's fine. We are all fine, we're all people" - Donald Trump
11:23:21 AM+OneArgumentManHere are things Putin has done in the last few years:
11:23:27 AM+OneArgumentManAnnexed Crimea
11:23:33 AM+OneArgumentManInvaded Eastern Ukraine
11:23:38 AM+OneArgumentManMurders dissidents, journalists & spies
11:23:40 AM+RedishSquareOneArgumentMan: is that a real quote?  gold.  pure gold
11:23:49 AM+OneArgumentManIt is.
11:23:53 AM+OneArgumentManOf course it's a real quote.
11:23:56 AM+RedishSquareHe’s a gem, OneArgumentMan
11:24:10 AM+OneArgumentManOf course Donald Trump the Traitor is arguing on behalf of the American President, Vladimir Putin.
11:24:18 AM+OneArgumentManDeliberately bombs civilians in Syria
11:24:26 AM+OneArgumentManMounting military buildup to weaken US
11:24:32 AM+OneArgumentManInterfered in election to help Trump win
11:24:36 AM+RedishSquareImagine voting for Trump twice.  That just makes you extra racist.   You get two holes punched in your KKK card.   eight more and you get a free hood.
11:24:47 AM+OneArgumentManWe're way beyond that.
11:25:03 AM+OneArgumentManTrump is at the point that he has earned the right for his nation to give him a trial, and then hang him from his neck until he is dead.
11:25:33 AM+OneArgumentManShot down commercial airliner over Europe
11:25:38 AM+OneArgumentManPoisoned several people in UK with nerve agent
11:25:43 AM+OneArgumentManCarries out daily cyber attacks on US infrastructure
11:25:48 AM+OneArgumentManDriven by conviction that anything that weakens US, benefits Russia
11:26:02 AM+RedishSquareOneArgumentMan: but it’s not like we’re meeting him in person w/o aides, recording devices, right?
11:26:12 AM+RedishSquareOneArgumentMan: and let’s not forget cheating at the Olympics and World Cup.
11:26:21 AM+OneArgumentManNice point.
11:26:33 AM+OneArgumentManI can only hope the CIA is spying on Trump as he meets with Putin.
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11:27:10 AM+OneArgumentManThe betrayal of Donald Trump is almost incalculable.
11:27:24 AM+OneArgumentManA nation which accepted immigrants, one of whom was his grandfather.
11:27:34 AM+OneArgumentManDonald Trump only exists because America accepted his grandfather as an immigrant.
11:28:09 AM+OneArgumentManAnd then a reasonably free, reasonably rule of law society provided opportunities for his father to make a fortune.
11:28:24 AM+OneArgumentManAnd then he was able to inherit that and have a shot at a good life, because of America.
11:28:49 AM+OneArgumentManBut because of the treatment he experienced from his father and mother when he was a boy, and perhaps because of genetics, he failed at many endeavors.
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11:28:58 AM+OneArgumentManAnd he began cultivating a relationship with the American mafia and Russian mafia.
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11:29:10 AM+OneArgumentManAnd he would eventually begin money laundering for Russia because Fuck America.
11:29:25 AM+OneArgumentManAnd then he made a deal with Russia to try and become its president for all their money.
11:29:31 AM+OneArgumentManAnd as president his burning our home down.
11:29:39 AM+OneArgumentManI hate Donald Trump with every ounce of my being.
11:29:48 AM+RedishSquareright, pheno ?  only in #debates
11:30:30 AM+RedishSquareyou mean racist libertarin, right, pheno ?   cuz, boy oh boy, do those libertarians love their hatred.
11:30:45 AM+OneArgumentManLibertarianism, for many libertarianism, isn't a real political worldview.
11:30:55 AM+OneArgumentMan<-- former Libertarian
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11:31:44 AM+OneArgumentManA real political worldview must necessarily be heavily empirical, as a political worldview should be conceptualized as an engineering solution to a systems problem.
11:31:48 AM+RedishSquareYes, let’s make the land owner responsible for when an outside company destroys their property.   Makes sense.
11:32:26 AM+RedishSquareI’m not taking questions but you should take notes.
11:32:47 AM+RedishSquareYou’re welcome, brad70
11:33:21 AM+OneArgumentManRedishSquare: brad70 hates the Enlightenment.
11:33:38 AM+RedishSquare“Hey, monkey, sorry I wrecked your car.  Why don’t you take some responsility for your own property and sue me to get a settlement,” said Libertarian Larry.
11:34:02 AM+RedishSquareOneArgumentMan: all Trumpanzees should be ignored.  And kicked in the throat.
11:34:05 AM+OneArgumentManRedishSquare: I might support that mechanism.
11:34:17 AM+OneArgumentManWhen would I support that mechanism? If it was very easy to file a lawsuit.
11:34:33 AM+OneArgumentManIs it very easy to file a lawsuit in the United States, which is an empirical question? No.
11:34:47 AM+OneArgumentManTherefore, what happens, in reality, when you rely on that mechanism? You prevent poor people from receiving justice.
11:34:52 AM+OneArgumentManTherefore, it's invalid.
11:35:24 AM+OneArgumentManHow hard it is to build a good society?
11:35:40 AM+OneArgumentManMuch, much, much, much harder than building a state-of-the-art distributed computing framework at Google or Facebook.
11:36:08 AM+OneArgumentManWhen building a state-of-the-art distributed computing framework at Google or Facebook, would an engineering design built entirely off first principles be accepted?
11:37:16 AM+OneArgumentManA proposal that featured no iteration, no unit tests?
11:37:48 AM+OneArgumentManNo end to end testing? No stress testing? No testing ala Netflix's Chaos Monkeys system?
11:37:49 AM+OneArgumentManOf course not.
11:37:52 AM+RedishSquare“Hey, it’s your property I destroyed; take some responsiblity and try to get money from me.”   <— only in #debates
11:37:53 AM+OneArgumentManNo company would allow that.
11:38:15 AM+OneArgumentManAnd yet some non-empirical libertarians -- and virtually all Trumptards -- wish to do precisely that for a much, much, much harder problem.
11:38:40 AM+OneArgumentManThis is why it is necessary -- and needs to be codified into law -- that science is a necessary part of human management.
11:39:01 AM+OneArgumentManAll proposals which do not conform with scientific knowledge should be banned from government, under the constitution.
11:39:44 AM+OneArgumentManThis kind of reasoning is why Citizens United is wrong, and why the judicial philosophy being exercised in SCOTUS is flawed to its core.
11:39:48 AM+RedishSquareTheIlluminaughty: i think you meant racist idiots
11:39:55 AM+OneArgumentManDoes money as speech make sense as a first principle? Yes -- absolutely.
11:40:12 AM+OneArgumentManDoes it work in reality in the US? No, it does not -- it collapses the entire system and eventually SCOTUS itself.
11:40:33 AM+RedishSquareNow, I’m not saying every Trumpanzee and libertarians is a die-hard racist — but just the ones I met fit the bill.  Oh, and 85% of those have a GED.
11:40:37 AM Stopped ignoring TheIlluminaughty!*@*
11:41:25 AM+RedishSquareEnough
11:41:56 AM+RedishSquarebirth[e]r, wb!!!1
11:41:56 AM+TheIlluminaughtybrad70: Damn you old man.  I was about to say to him "I don't know what you are talking about, and neither do you"
11:42:03 AM+RedishSquareHER EMAILS
11:42:08 AM+RedishSquareHIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE
11:42:21 AM+TheIlluminaughtybrad70: You shot down my punchline! :)
11:42:43 AM Ignoring TheIlluminaughty!*@*
11:42:51 AM+RedishSquareDiabetic, too?
11:42:52 AM+OneArgumentManThis room is currently featuring low-quality debate.
11:42:59 AM+RedishSquareIgnornat?
11:43:01 AM+RedishSquareRacist?
11:43:02 AM+OneArgumentManhttps://twitter.com/SenatorDurbin/status/1014886384660832257
11:43:04 AM+RedishSquareTrump Supporter?
11:43:07 AM+RedishSquareall the same, really
11:43:38 AM+RedishSquareWhen I see someone on my level ask a question that warrants an answer, I’ll letcha know, TonySnark .   Now, go clean some guns and let the adults continue.
11:43:56 AM+OneArgumentManRedishSquare: I wanted to know something.
11:44:13 AM+OneArgumentManYou had TonySnark at a low level, and me at a high level, and you chose to get annoyed with the low level debate.
11:44:31 AM+OneArgumentManThis tells me you're probably more interested in experiencing some emotions than have a serious political debate.
11:44:42 AM+RedishSquarebirth[e]r voted for Trump twice.  that alone should scare us all.
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11:45:11 AM+RedishSquareOneArgumentMan: it’s fun to watch these snowflakes get soooo upset.   it’s easy to geth them riled up.
11:45:20 AM+OneArgumentManWhy is that fun?
11:45:31 AM+OneArgumentManI accept many of them are extremely dumb.
11:45:31 AM+RedishSquareall Trump supporters support birtherism, [e]    #truth
11:45:32 AM+RedishSquareall
11:45:36 AM+RedishSquareand racist, OneArgumentMan
11:45:38 AM+RedishSquarenever forget
11:45:41 AM+OneArgumentManSometimes I conceptualized this as a different cognitive subspecies than myself.
11:45:56 AM+OneArgumentManRedishSquare: The data indicates a very large portion of Trump supporters are racist -- yes.
11:45:59 AM+OneArgumentManThe floor is 30%.
11:46:05 AM+OneArgumentManThe ceiling is about 85%.
11:46:22 AM+RedishSquareWasn’t Trump the head of the birther movement?  Ergo, if you voted for him twice, dontcha also support such a racist movement?  Yup.  Yup you do.
11:46:22 AM+OneArgumentManThe GOP is currently a white nationalist party.
11:46:41 AM+OneArgumentManRedishSquare: Remember, the GOP and Trump supporters are a pre-Enlightenment group.
11:47:03 AM+OneArgumentManThe idea of observing reality accurately to gain evidence and then shaping one's beliefs based upon that evidence is an Enlightenment practice.
11:47:14 AM+OneArgumentManThe concept of evidence doesn't exist for the GOP or Trump supporters.
11:47:25 AM+RedishSquareyup
11:47:43 AM+OneArgumentManHere are the options available with the GOP and Trump supporters:
11:47:55 AM+OneArgumentMan1 - Let them win. The nation will become a Christian fascist society with many pogroms.
11:47:56 AM+RedishSquareWhy do ya’ll hate evidence and science?  Seems like things five-year-olds accept and embrace.  But not Nazis Trumpanzees
11:48:20 AM+RedishSquareHER EMAILS
11:48:24 AM+RedishSquareHIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE
11:48:32 AM+OneArgumentMan2 - Make it illegal for the GOP to exist. Quarantine Trump supporters as an infection our society has to constantly be on guard against.
11:49:04 AM+OneArgumentMan3 - Provided education and a good economy for Trump supporters so they can see with their own eyes is a traitorous conman. Currently, however, they hate the concept of education.
11:49:22 AM+OneArgumentMan1) is obviously not an option.
11:49:31 AM+OneArgumentManThe solution is a combination of 2) and 3).
11:49:35 AM+RedishSquarePutin won
11:49:48 AM+OneArgumentManTrump supporters are cognitive children that have to be guided by the philosopher kings of their communities.
11:50:09 AM+OneArgumentManThey do not understand what smart people understand and will go kicking and screaming the entire way.
11:50:11 AM+RedishSquareWhat’s it like being Russia’s bitch?   When did the Right learn to love Russia?   You’re all idiots.
11:50:14 AM+OneArgumentManHowever, we must persist.
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11:50:30 AM+OneArgumentManRedishSquare: The American Right is currently a crisis cult.
11:50:35 AM+RedishSquareYou’re right, you can’t educate Trumpanzees.  It’s pointless
11:50:48 AM+RedishSquareOneArgumentMan: you forgot Christian Racist Cult
11:51:01 AM+OneArgumentManA crisis cult will frequently engage in self-destructive behavior that violates its stated values because it recognizes that they're close to extinction and they've got to try anything.
11:51:16 AM+OneArgumentManAlso, the cognitive patterns of the American Right as similar to Putin's Mafia-government.
11:51:42 AM+OneArgumentManSociologically, the American Right is undergoing what Muslims are experiencing in the ME.
11:52:09 AM+OneArgumentManThey can subconsciously perceive the evidence indicates their systems is inferior to alternatives, but they publicly denounce the concept of evidence.
11:52:37 AM+OneArgumentManThe rational thing to do is to adapt their system to bring it inline with modern alternatives. The opposite possibility is a 'return to orthodoxy'.
11:53:09 AM+OneArgumentManWe didn't follow Allah enough. We weren't white nationalist enough. The Nazi Party didn't do WW2 right.
11:53:19 AM+OneArgumentManIf only we had a chance to do it again, we'd do it right this time -- you'll see!
11:54:45 AM+RedishSquareas someone who voted for the head of bith[e]rism twice, [e] , what’s it like seeing kids in cages and your boy risking the economy by starting a trade war?  Make America White Again, right?
11:55:02 AM+OneArgumentMan[e] is banned from the community of discourse.
11:55:11 AM+OneArgumentManI haven't considered anything they've said any any topic for at least 9 months.
11:55:24 AM+RedishSquarewas it hard to walk into the both w/ the hood on and the erection, [e] ?   did you burn a cross before or afterwards?
11:55:33 AM+OneArgumentMan[e] is not capable of discourse as it's conceptualized in the contemporary liberal West.
11:55:51 AM+RedishSquareJefferson owned slaves!   What’s going on in 2018, said no Trumpanzee ever.
11:55:57 AM+OneArgumentManThere are two other ways of interacting with such a person: 1) you do you, I'll do me and 2) violence.
11:56:21 AM+OneArgumentManGenerally, humans cannot do 1) when they're animated by intense passions.
11:56:29 AM+OneArgumentManWhich is why violence is the natural endpoint of Trumpism.