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Il_Shaman on the Trump ZTE Bribe

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  1. 4:06:48 PM+RenjinIL_Shaman: How you feel about Trump these days?
  2. 4:06:58 PM+mainframeIf extraterrestrials were going to involve themselves in our bulshit
  3. 4:07:00 PM@IL_ShamanI think trump is still a gov outsider
  4. 4:07:12 PM+mainframeThey would simply eliminate us
  5. 4:07:18 PM@IL_Shamanand the establishment gov HATES trump... which.. make me like him even more.
  6. 4:07:47 PM+snai|TRUMP the magnificent, blessed b his name, peace b with him, victorious and huge always
  7. 4:07:48 PM+RenjinHow do you feel about the $500 million the Chinese gave him to help with ZTE?
  8. 4:07:52 PM Ignoring snai|!*@*
  9. 4:07:56 PM+Renjinsnai|: I put you on ignore.
  10. 4:08:22 PM+RenjinI dislike fascism and all religious fundamentalism.
  11. 4:08:23 PM← sexb has quit (Ping timeout)
  12. 4:08:38 PM→ Ms_Emy has joined
  13. 4:08:47 PMⓘ IL_Shaman set mode +v Ms_Emy
  14. 4:11:35 PM Stopped ignoring snai|!*@*
  15. 4:11:59 PM+RenjinHow do you feel about the $500 million the Chinese gave him to help with ZTE?
  16. 4:12:04 PM+Ms_Emyyawn
  17. 4:12:05 PM+snai|snai| [snai|!~snai@24.114.91.198] * ...
  18. 4:12:05 PM+snai|Channels: +#civil_debate @#pastaspalace #fileshare +#allnitecafe
  19. 4:12:05 PM+snai|Connected to server: serenity.ix.us.dal.net The Windy City's Hot Air Connection
  20. 4:12:05 PM+snai|has identified for this nick
  21. 4:12:05 PM+snai|Idle for 00:03:41, signed on 05/15/2018
  22. 4:12:05 PM@IL_ShamanI read that article about ZTE.. and saw no evidence of a payoff
  23. 4:12:06 PM+Ms_Emygoodmorning
  24. 4:12:10 PM Ignoring Ms_Emy!*@*
  25. 4:12:16 PM@IL_Shamanyou are lieing Renjin
  26. 4:12:21 PM@IL_Shamanhello Ms_Emy
  27. 4:12:27 PM@IL_Shamanor mistaken
  28. 4:12:39 PM+RenjinIL_Shaman: If the Chinese did give him that money, how would you feel?
  29. 4:12:40 PM@IL_Shamanhahah... yer turning japanese Ms_Emy
  30. 4:12:40 PM+mainframeWell as far as I know ZTE didn't pay him off but ZTE as been banned from dealing with Google or Qualcomm and they have been ordered to give up words to about six hundred million dollars in recompense
  31. 4:12:56 PM@IL_ShamanI would suggest it would be illegal on some level
  32. 4:13:04 PM+mainframeEssentially they're going out of business and China has spoken to Trump and essentially told him that they're not going to really be happy about that then so he made his his tweet
  33. 4:13:10 PM@IL_Shamannow prove he accepted a bribe from a foreign country please
  34. 4:13:30 PM+mainframeI never said he accepted a bribe I'm saying he was threatened politically and diplomatically by the Chinese government
  35. 4:13:41 PM@IL_ShamanRenjin did mainframe.
  36. 4:13:44 PM+mainframeEssentially that they they would not assist him with the new going deals going on with North Korea
  37. 4:13:58 PM+mainframeUnless he forgave ZTE it's trespasses in dealing with North Korea and Iran
  38. 4:14:03 PM+Renjinhttps://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/5/15/17355202/trump-zte-indonesia-lido-city
  39. 4:14:08 PM+RenjinOn May 11, a state-owned Chinese construction company called the Metallurgical Corporation of China announced it would float a $500 million loan to Indonesian developers to facilitate the construction of a vast “integrated lifestyle resort” called MNC Lido City that includes Trump-branded hotels, residences, and a golf course.
  40. 4:14:50 PM+mainframeI mean seriously either way sham and did you really think that Trump was a clean guy?
  41. 4:15:02 PM@IL_Shamansuggestive evidence that it possibly happened..... that doesnt sound like proof to me
  42. 4:15:02 PM+mainframeLol.
  43. 4:15:24 PM+mainframeWell you keep focusing on the bribe I keep focusing on the threat that China would not assist him with diplomatic negotiations with North Korea
  44. 4:15:37 PM+RenjinIL_Shaman: How would you recommend we avoid the possibility of such bribes?
  45. 4:15:38 PM+mainframeI guess it's that kind of a tit-for-tat thing
  46. 4:15:50 PM+RenjinIt seems it's impossible if the president retains ownership in companies -- agreed?
  47. 4:16:15 PM+RenjinMaybe he changed policy because of that loan -- maybe he didn't. It could be very difficult to know.
  48. 4:16:15 PM@IL_Shamanoff hand.. I'd say.. de-nuclerising north korea is a bit more important
  49. 4:16:30 PM@IL_Shamanyeah Renjin... like.. impossible
  50. 4:16:35 PM+RenjinIL_Shaman: It is not impossible.
  51. 4:16:47 PM+RenjinYou can have the president, before their inauguration, move all their assets into a blind trust.
  52. 4:16:54 PM@IL_Shamanshort of trump saying.. "yeah.. they bribed me"... its a long shot
  53. 4:17:01 PM+RenjinRemember when Trump held that press conference with the manila folders saying he was going to do that?
  54. 4:17:10 PM+RenjinIt was ~2017 Jan 10
  55. 4:17:20 PM@IL_Shamanhe signed his corporations to his kids
  56. 4:17:22 PM+RenjinHe never did that, IL_Shaman
  57. 4:17:31 PM+RenjinIL_Shaman: One of his kids works in the White House
  58. 4:17:46 PM+mainframeAnd no one wants to discuss how he got punked by the Chinese
  59. 4:17:48 PM+mainframe....
  60. 4:17:51 PM@IL_Shamanits not a requirement for a president to give up everything they have to be president
  61. 4:17:53 PM+mainframeOk...
  62. 4:17:55 PM+RenjinAnd she's president of Trump, Inc.
  63. 4:18:12 PM+RenjinIL_Shaman: It is, under the Emoluments Clause
  64. 4:18:15 PM+RenjinHowever, say it wasn't a requirement
  65. 4:18:25 PM+RenjinThen we find ourselves in this situation, with the possibility of a bribe
  66. 4:18:28 PM+RenjinBut we can't be totally sure -- yet
  67. 4:18:36 PM← CharmlessMan has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  68. 4:18:37 PM@IL_ShamanI am pretty sure... that if trump was guilty of improper dealings... the media would be all over it
  69. 4:18:38 PM+RenjinSo, that's an undesirable state to be in, yes?
  70. 4:18:46 PM+RenjinIL_Shaman: The media is all over this bribe.
  71. 4:18:49 PM@IL_Shamanevery 5 min
  72. 4:18:50 PM+RenjinWould you like 17 citations?
  73. 4:19:01 PM+RenjinI can provide 17 citations, if you'd like.
  74. 4:19:05 PM+RenjinEvery one from a different organization.
  75. 4:19:05 PM@IL_Shamanthey are all over fake russian collusion also
  76. 4:19:08 PM Ignoring IL_Shaman!*@*
  77. 4:19:10 PM+sardaukarhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdLWLYTVwAUlY8G.jpg:large
  78. 4:19:13 PM+RenjinThank you for the conversation, IL_Shaman.
  79. 4:19:15 PM+mainframeCan we just agree that Trump is under qualified to do his job?
  80. 4:19:19 PM+RenjinI put you on ignore as you're now doing whataboutism.
  81. 4:19:25 PM+RenjinSince you don't really care about the well-being of our republic.
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